205.....

[FourHooks]

Does Silva's loss drop him out of the #1 spot???

If so, who takes his place???

Lidell?
Shogun???
Arona???


I gotta go with Shogun, he's beaten some high quality guys, but could see and argument for Chuck. I think Wandy will beat Arona in a rematch though...He looked very flat in their fight

By the way, we need more MMA talk in this mother, I aint going to Sherdog, so the MMA fans round here need to step it up :5000:

[TraZ]

shogun, no doubts about it

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>shogun, no doubts about it
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whats Chuck talking shit on your boy Rampage for???

They going to fight again or what?

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>shogun, no doubts about it
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does his brother still fight?

[mike_dave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>does his brother still fight?
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yes hes coming to the UFC soon

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>yes hes coming to the UFC soon
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is he going to fight at 205???

Didnt he go into a few fights a little on the "flabby" side???



MC, who's #1 @205?

[Black Market Baby]

Fourhooks

send me some starter material on dvd...

I don't follow the sport so I can't talk about it and I won't buy a ppv not knowing what the fuck Im looking at.

[mike_dave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>is he going to fight at 205???

Didnt he go into a few fights a little on the "flabby" side???
MC, who's #1 @205?
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he will be at 205 i believe...Pride is finally living up to their end of the deal and sending some guys to the UFC....

i think right now chuck is ontop....he needs to beat rampage to really without a question be #1

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Fourhooks

send me some starter material on dvd...

I don't follow the sport so I can't talk about it and I won't buy a ppv not knowing what the fuck Im looking at.
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will do....

some of the quality leaves a little to be desired, some leaves a lot, but I've got some good shit I'll package up for you when I send you the Elw--- I mean boxing dvd's

[MassaCure]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>he will be at 205 i believe...Pride is finally living up to their end of the deal and sending some guys to the UFC....

i think right now chuck is ontop....he needs to beat rampage to really without a question be #1
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i dont think chuck can beat rampage

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i dont think chuck can beat rampage
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what would give you that idea??? He fared quite well last time out :ontome:

[FourHooks]

what are the chances of Shogun - Chuck ever happening???

Not too good huh?

[TraZ]

ill believe ninja in ufc when i see it mike



rampage has defense to block chucks wide ass shots


rampage now, i have no clue how he would fair to tell you the truth

[FourHooks]

what would have happened if shogun and wandy would have had to meet in the tourney????

[TraZ]

shogun i have doubt about it


it was just his night


wandy looked like a zombie in there

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>shogun i have doubt about it
it was just his night
wandy looked like a zombie in there
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would they have really fought?

[Boskov Velbov]

1. Shogun
2. Lil Nog
3. Wandy
4. Chuck
5. Arona

Babalu got lucky against Shogun and wupp-e-d by Chuck, Couture is not getting better, Alistair always gasses and Belfort, Jackson, Igor, Sak, Randleman etc no longer pose a real threat to the top tier guys.

I dont like Tito - but would love to see him back and ford focused.

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>1. Shogun
2. Lil Nog
3. Wandy
4. Chuck
5. Arona

Babalu got lucky against Shogun and wupp-e-d by Chuck, Couture is not getting better, Alistair always gasses and Belfort, Jackson, Igor, Sak, Randleman etc no longer pose a real threat to the top tier guys.

I dont like Tito - but would love to see him back and ford focused.
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:Oscar after a bodyshot:

[GeeNOMoney]

Wandy is still the best

then chuck

then Shogun

then Rampage still

[mike_dave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Wandy is still the best

then chuck

then Shogun

then Rampage still
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how is wandy #1 after what arona did to him

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>how is wandy #1 after what arona did to him
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no chance that wandy took it easy so he wouldnt fight Shogun in the finals?

Serious question, I dont follow very closely, so I dont know how likely this would be

[mike_dave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>no chance that wandy took it easy so he wouldnt fight Shogun in the finals?

Serious question, I dont follow very closely, so I dont know how likely this would be
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you could make that arguent....but the 3rd round comes around and the shooto team is going nuts telling wandy to do something, instead he ends up getting takin down twice and beatin....

so u could make that arguement but he got dismantled in the 3rd round when everyone knew he was down

[GeeNOMoney]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>how is wandy #1 after what arona did to him
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after what Arona did to him ?
you mean huggin him to death and win a lame boring decision ?

thats like saying that Tyson couldn't be #1 in the heavweight division if he lost a close boring decision in 1989 to some bum .... it would have just been a setback ( don't say buster cause thats different, buster beat him up, Arona far from beat Wandy up )


Wanderlei is still the best, so he had an off night, so what ?
he didn't get outclassed ... he just couldn't implement his normal gameplan and got dry humped by a lame ass boring fighter.
I know the sayign you're only as good as your last fight, but that don't work for me ... I look @ the last few fights to determine a fighter or a division's ranking

[Beyond the Grave]

Chuck Liddell is number one right now and at this stage I think he'll beat Rampage.


grave. :afro:

[wedin]

1. Shogun - have defeated Rampage,Lil Nog, Allistar and Arona recently thats some good names to have on a resume

2. Wandy - went undefeated for quite some time but lost recently and dont have as many good wins as Arona.

3. Lil Nog - personal favorite lost a very very close decision against the clear nr 1 have some good wins and no real blemishes other then the close decision he lost.

4. Rampage - Good wins against Chuck,Igor,Busta and Arona but then we have those 3 Chute box knock outs.

5. Chuck - Wins over Randy and Tito are impressive but still lost one against Randy and got knocked out against Rampage.

6. Randy - Below Chuck untill he defeats him in the rubber match

7. Arona - boring ass fighter that cant do anything but lay and pray yeah sure he got the decision against silva I dont give him any credit for the way he won tho.

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>1. Arona - have defeated Rampage,Lil Nog, Allistar and Arona recently thats some good names to have on a resume

2. Wandy - went undefeated for quite some time but lost recently and dont have as many good wins as Arona.

3. Lil Nog - personal favorite lost a very very close decision against the clear nr 1 have some good wins and no real blemishes other then the close decision he lost.

4. Rampage - Good wins against Chuck,Igor,Busta and Arona but then we have those 3 Chute box knock outs.

5. Chuck - Wins over Randy and Tito are impressive but still lost one against Chuck and got knocked out against Rampage.

6. Randy - Below Chuck untill he defeats him in the rubber match

7. Arona - boring ass fighter that cant do anything but lay and pray yeah sure he got the decision against silva I dont give him any credit for the way he won tho.
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uh, check your number 1 dude

[FourHooks]

Just something I'd like to add....


When Chuck beat Randy, alot of folks were talking shit about how Randy should have never tried to stand with Chuck. You know, he pretty much beat Chuck standing in the first fight, though

[mike_dave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Just something I'd like to add....
When Chuck beat Randy, alot of folks were talking shit about how Randy should have never tried to stand with Chuck. You know, he pretty much beat Chuck standing in the first fight, though
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agREED...he whore check out standing thats how he took him down so easy all those times..

[Beyond the Grave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>1. Arona - have defeated Rampage,Lil Nog, Allistar and Arona recently thats some good names to have on a resume

2. Wandy - went undefeated for quite some time but lost recently and dont have as many good wins as Arona.

3. Lil Nog - personal favorite lost a very very close decision against the clear nr 1 have some good wins and no real blemishes other then the close decision he lost.

4. Rampage - Good wins against Chuck,Igor,Busta and Arona but then we have those 3 Chute box knock outs.

5. Chuck - Wins over Randy and Tito are impressive but still lost one against Chuck and got knocked out against Rampage.

6. Randy - Below Chuck untill he defeats him in the rubber match

7. Arona - boring ass fighter that cant do anything but lay and pray yeah sure he got the decision against silva I dont give him any credit for the way he won tho.
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:huh2: :huh2: How can Chuck get KO'd by Chuck LOL.


grave. :afro:

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>:huh2: :huh2: How can Chuck get KO'd by Chuck LOL.
grave. :afro:
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apparently Arona also lost to Arona

[mike_dave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>apparently Arona also lost to Arona
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Dont be silly, its obviously the #1 rated arona beat the #7 rated arona

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Dont be silly, its obviously the #1 rated arona beat the #7 rated arona
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Your Arona nuthugging is going to far. There is no way that Arona could possibly handle Arona. To think such a thing is stupid

[mike_dave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Your Arona nuthugging is going to far. There is no way that Arona could possibly handle Arona. To think such a thing is stupid
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Negro please
he would submit him via flying armbar no problem at all

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Negro please
he would submit him via flying armbar no problem at all
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he'd have to get past his huracanrada first

[mike_dave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>he'd have to get past his huracanrada first
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he would easily counter via flying knee bar

dont be hatin dude

[on my toes]

The results of Chuck/Randy III could change things a lot - just announced for Feb.

[Rubio MHS]

I was at their first match. Liddell has improved a ton since that fight. Some argue that he's the best fighter in the world at 205.

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I was at their first match. Liddell has improved a ton since that fight. Some argue that he's the best fighter in the world at 205.
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his takedown defense has looked good of late. His hands were never a question, although, as I said before, Randy got the better of him standing in the first fight

[Rubio MHS]

I'd had questions about his standup for years. His kicks were always sloppy and he was never a good enough standup fighter to be top-30 in boxing or maybe even kickboxing at 200 pounds.

[on my toes]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I was at their first match. Liddell has improved a ton since that fight. Some argue that he's the best fighter in the world at 205.
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Some do, but it's hard to say how he'd do against Shogun, Lil Nog, or Wand.

Judjing by his performance against Rampage, Shogun could be a particularly tough fight for Chuck. Shogun's another big, strong, active 205er like Rampage w/ more diverse striking.

Lil Nog's ground game is so sick and stand up solid (knockdown of Shogun), he'd be a handful too.

I think Chuck/Wand is pretty much a pick em. Both cats are willing to stand toe-to-toe w/ anyone, so the chance of knockout for either seems pretty equal.

[Kid Dynamite]

Silvas still the man, he forgot to actually fight aghainst Arona and was still never in any trouble. He'll destroy Arona viciously in the rematch.

Silva destroys Chuck and Shogun too, his strikes are simply too fast and too powerful.

[Kid Dynamite]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>how is wandy #1 after what arona did to him
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What did Arona do to him? Grope him all night?

Arona got a gift against Henderson and was flat out molested by both Rampage and Shogun.

[Kid Dynamite]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Some do, but it's hard to say how he'd do against Shogun, Lil Nog, or Wand.

Judjing by his performance against Rampage, Shogun could be a particularly tough fight for Chuck. Shogun's another big, strong, active 205er like Rampage w/ more diverse striking.

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Not really, Rampage has far better boxing skills and bigger punching power than Shogun. Rampage at his best had the best parrying and hand placement defense I've seen in MMA, he also had great knees. He didn't even show up against Shogun and looked atrocious against Ninja in his previous fight, he simply hasn't been the same since that 2nd Silva defeat.

Shogun is a very good striker, great kicks, great knees, good but slow punches and his defense is atrocious. He was outboxed by Nog and hurt several times. Shogun doesn't have the technique/discipline in his striking that Rampage had. Chuck could very well catch him coming in with a bomb and who knows how he'll react? Rampage has an iron jaw so he shook off what Chuck hit him with with ease, Shogun doesn't and we've never seen him get hit by a puncher like Chuck.

Who knows if he can recover?

50/50 fight.

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Not really, Rampage has far better boxing skills and bigger punching power than Shogun. Rampage at his best had the best parrying and hand placement defense I've seen in MMA, he also had great knees. He didn't even show up against Shogun and looked atrocious against Ninja in his previous fight, he simply hasn't been the same since that 2nd Silva defeat.

Shogun is a very good striker, great kicks, great knees, good but slow punches and his defense is atrocious. He was outboxed by Nog and hurt several times. Shogun doesn't have the technique/discipline in his striking that Rampage had. Chuck could very well catch him coming in with a bomb and who knows how he'll react? Rampage has an iron jaw, Shogun doesn't and we've never seen him get hit by a puncher like Chuck.

Who knows if he can recover?

50/50 fight.
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you say it wouldnt be a tough fight and then say its 50/50? What gives? :D

[Kid Dynamite]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>you say it wouldnt be a tough fight and then say its 50/50? What gives? :D
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When did I say it wouldn't be a tough fight?

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>When did I say it wouldn't be a tough fight?
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:dunce:


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Judjing by his performance against Rampage, Shogun could be a particularly tough fight for Chuck. Shogun's another big, strong, active 205er like Rampage w/ more diverse striking.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Not really
50/50 fight.
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[Kid Dynamite]

:D Ummm You do realize that a poster named "on my toes" posted that and not me, I was responding to it.

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>:D Ummm You do realize that a poster named "on my toes" posted that and not me, I was responding to it.
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Fuck you're dense....

On your toes says Shogun would be tough for Chuck, and you say "not really"....then you conclude your post by calling the fight 50/50

how the fuck is 50/50 not a tough fight?

[Kid Dynamite]

He was comparing it to the Rampage fight, which was a onesided beatdown, I argued that the Rampage fight has no bearing on a Shogun vs Chuck fight, you are a tard.

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He was comparing it to the Rampage fight, which was a onesided beatdown, I argued that the Rampage fight has no bearing on a Shogun vs Chuck fight, you are a tard.
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you gotta be shitting me....

you cant even agree with yourself in your own fucking posts.....

Go back to that other site, you werent missed here

[Kid Dynamite]

You are retarded.

And I was missed by all who matter, ie not you.

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>You are retarded.

And I was missed by all who matter, ie not you.
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Are you sure you agree with yourself? :dunce:

[Kid Dynamite]

Yes, you are retarded. No more thought on the matter is necassary.

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, you are retarded. No more thought on the matter is necassary.
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good thing, because I'm not sure you're capable of it

[Kid Dynamite]

I'm capable of reading and that's all that's necsssary for me to deem you a tard.

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm capable of reading and that's all that's necsssary for me to deem you a tard.
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:lame:

welcome back :coffeekcik:

[Kid Dynamite]

Thanks. :5000:

[valdosta]

Not sure who the best is, but I know it's not Silva, he has always had a tough time with guys who can take him down and his wrestling isn't nearly as good as Rua's. That's why Rua fucking smashed Arona and Silva spent most of the match on his back getting owned.

[Kid Dynamite]

Rampage had the best takedowns, physicl; strength and G&P the division has seen, he got knocked senseless twice.

Sakuraba was incredible on the ground and Silva controlled him from top to bottom in their 2nd fight and knocked him out viciously in their other 2 encounters.

Silva totally dominated Dan Henderson on the ground who imo got robbed against Arona.

Silva's ground skills are very good, both defensively and offensively, his problem against Arona was that he forgot to actually fight, in a rematch you'll see the real Silva.

Rua does have excellent ground skills though and is physically stronger than Wand, which helped him against Arona.

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Rampage had the best takedowns and G&P the division has seen, he got knocked senseless twice.
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Coture is up there with Rampage in those categories

[Kid Dynamite]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Coture is up there with Rampage in those categories
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Actually I'd say that Rampage's takedowns and ground and pound were both substancially better than Coutures.

[FourHooks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Actually I'd say that Rampage's takedowns and ground and pound were both substancially better than Coutures.
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Good thing your opinion dont matter for shit :biggthumbup:

[valdosta]

Rampage was pounding Silva pretty well at the end of the first round in the 2nd fight. Silva was VERY lucky the round was over. Tito and Arona both beat Silva on the ground. Yoshida troubled Silva very much (twice), Rampage would have beaten him in the rematch if he had him in that bad position earlier in the round. Silva isn't a chump on his back but he is clearly vulnerable to takedowns and being laid on.

[Beyond the Grave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Not sure who the best is, but I know it's not Silva, he has always had a tough time with guys who can take him down and his wrestling isn't nearly as good as Rua's. That's why Rua fucking smashed Arona and Silva spent most of the match on his back getting owned.
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i agree which is why I think Arona will be the Pride Middleweight Champion on NYE, Silva sucks ass when he's on the defense on his back his black belt in bjj was given too him for promotion and it showed against Arona.lol at your post Silva did get owned and I have to admit it was a sad night for me.


Grave