Calzaghe-Jones is "a done deal" for September 20th at MSG

[Mitchell Kane]

John Wirt of Square Ring told Dan Rafael.

Light heavyweight champ Calzaghe set to face Jones on Sept. 20

By Dan Rafael
ESPN.com

When Wales' Joe Calzaghe defeated Bernard Hopkins for the light heavyweight championship April 19 in Las Vegas in his first fight in the United States, there was one spectator perhaps more interested than anyone else inside the Thomas & Mack Center.

Roy Jones Jr., the former undisputed light heavyweight champion and pound-for-pound king, was ringside working as an analyst for the British radio broadcast of the bout.

At the post-fight news conference, Calzaghe said he might fight only one more time before retiring and wanted it to be against Jones.
Joe Calzaghe's 175-pound championship is on the line in September's bout at Madison Square Garden.

Jones, who was present and was coming off a career-resuscitating Jan. 19 victory against Felix Trinidad, said he also wanted the fight.

Now, after the past several months of talking about the fight, it's a done deal, John Wirt, CEO of Jones' promotional company, Square Ring, told ESPN.com on Tuesday.

Calzaghe (45-0, 32 KOs) and Jones (52-4, 38 KOs) will meet for Calzaghe's 175-pound championship on Sept. 20 (HBO PPV). The site will be New York's Madison Square Garden, where Jones dominated Trinidad en route to a unanimous decision.

"The deal for the fight is done," Wirt said. "We're finalizing with the Garden."

The fight will be promoted by Jones' Square Ring in conjunction with Joe Calzaghe Enterprises, Wirt said. Calzaghe caused a stir last month when he severed ties with longtime promoter Frank Warren, who has sued Calzaghe, claiming he had a verbal agreement with the longtime champion to promote his fights.

Square Ring, which Jones founded in 1989, has promoted many fights but has been somewhat dormant the past several years. It has never taken the lead role on a fight this big, but Wirt said Jones was dedicated to building his company as well as fighting.

"Roy is very pumped up not only about the fight itself, but that he is promoting it with Joe," Wirt said. "With Roy, it's an honor that Joe has agreed to do the fight with him."

Jones is doing the bout without the involvement of Don King, who promoted the Trinidad fight and had an option on Jones' next bout.

"Roy explained to Don that he wanted to fulfill his dream of promoting the fight on his own with Joe," said Wirt, who worked as an attorney for King's company for a decade until leaving several months ago. "Don was gracious enough to allow that to happen. We're definitely open to doing business with Don in the future."

Jones, 39, who won championships at middleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight and heavyweight, has won three fights in a row since losing three consecutive fights to Antonio Tarver (twice) and Glen Johnson, two of which came by brutal knockout.

A win against Calzaghe, 36, considered by many to be, at worst, the No. 2 fighter in the world, pound-for-pound behind Manny Pacquiao, would put Jones back on top of the division he dominated from 1996 until losing his rematch with Tarver in 2005.

Over the past couple of months, Jones and Calzaghe have spoken with each other several times in an effort to make a deal. They spent time together at the HBO offices in New York this week working on various aspects of the fight.

In an interview with ESPN.com two weeks ago, Jones said he thought the deal would get done.

"I know that at the [Calzaghe-Hopkins] fight, Joe looked me in the eye and said he wanted to fight me. I know we can make it happen," Jones said. "It's a fight I like. Joe said, 'Trust me, Roy, I'm serious, I want to fight you. You're a legend and you're going to be fighting a legend.' I'm ready for him."

Jones added that after Calzaghe, he would like to go back up to heavyweight, where he made history by winning a title against John Ruiz in 2003 to become the first former middleweight champion to win a heavyweight title in more than a century.

His target: Samuel Peter, who owns one of the heavyweight titles.

"They call Samuel Peter 'The Nightmare,'" Jones said. "I'll give him a nightmare. I like to do stuff people think I can't do. But I am really looking forward to fighting Joe first.

"Joe called me out and it's hard for me to turn that down. I didn't need the fight, but he asked for it and it's hard to turn down that opportunity when he's such a credible and worthy champion. You ask me to fight, you're a champion and you're 45-0? That's the kind of stuff I like to do, you feel me? I think Joe is a true champion and I think he really is going to fight me. I want to get back to the pound-for-pound list and this is the shortcut. I beat Joe, I'm back on top."

Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com.

[JayDawg]

Upset of the year!:partie:

[Haymaker]

why the fuck is it on US soil??

don't they fucking learn??

You can fill up easily a 60,000 stadium in England :bangh:

[Mitchell Kane]

why the fuck is it on US soil??

don't they fucking learn??

You can fill up easily a 60,000 stadium in England :bangh:

Yeah, but pay per view sales in the States would be far better if it's in the U.S.

[Mitchell Kane]

Fightnews is suggestng Julio Diaz-Sugar Ray Narh could be on the undercard in an IBF title eliminator.

That and a possible Dmitriy Salita bout make this a can't miss fight card.

[Hitman]

why the fuck is it on US soil??

don't they fucking learn??

You can fill up easily a 60,000 stadium in England :bangh:

jones probably wouldnt agree to go overseas....

[Mitchell Kane]

jones probably wouldnt agree to go overseas....

He was begging to after Calzaghe-Hopkins.

But there's probably a lot more tv money to be made here. The British will probably find a way to watch this fight wherever it's held, it's the Americans they need to buy this.

[cupey alto]

Fightnews is suggestng Julio Diaz-Sugar Ray Narh could be on the undercard in an IBF title eliminator.

That and a possible Dmitriy Salita bout make this a can't miss fight card.

Here is a serious question. Have you ever seen Salita fight?

[Mitchell Kane]

Here is a serious question. Have you ever seen Salita fight?

Another question. Have you ever heard of sarcasm?

I'm trying to do it deadpan here, man, give me a break.

Diaz-Narh ain't exactly high on my list of fights I'm dying to see, either.

[mikE]

Another question. Have you ever heard of sarcasm?

I'm trying to do it deadpan here, man, give me a break.

Diaz-Narh ain't exactly high on my list of fights I'm dying to see, either.

:lol:

[bigdawg]

My birthday is in September and I will get me a sweet ass birthday present when Roy KO's Calzaghe in 9 rounds. Damn this is has been a huge year in boxing. I'll Holla 5000

[Neil]

calzaghe's patience has paid off. he will get wins on his resumé over the legends of his era and probably make more money from the fights than if he had pushed for them when they were actually juicy and meaningful.

[Xplosive]

Heres to praying that old man Roy can pull off the unlikely.:pray:

WAR RJ!

[Tyler Durden]

No flying pig? :slap:

[BigJohn619]

Roy will get stopped in this fight, it will not be competitive.

[KaukipRrr]

Calzaghe cherry picked this fight, and called Pavlik 'unworthy' like a true Fraud does, it seems to me that something obviously scared him about the way Pavlik crushed his stable mate,.. Pavlik went from being "the only man I would move back down to supermiddleweight for".. to a victim of a Fraud Mayweather type of hissy-fit, "Who's Pavlik?"...... I would love shot Roy, to pull off the upset, and take a whopping great piss on Calzaghe's legacy,... the pressure is really on for cherry picking of this nature, if he wins, .......who gives a fuck quite simply, everyone knows Roy is a shell of himself,.. it's all for Calzaghe to loooooooooooooose and his soft strikes do give Jones half a chance :crafty:.

[Roll With The Punches]

Calzaghe deserves zero credit for winning this, even if it's by first round KO

[Ugotabe Kidding]

calzaghe will win easily but Jones lands a couple of god-looking left hooks which will lead his nuthggers to proclaim how prime Jones would have streched Calzaghe in three rounds

[LOK]

there is simply no doubt that Roy is going to destroy the welsh jelly bum

[Arben]

Can't wait. I might be a hater, but I never had an opportunity to watch Roy live, and this could be my last chance.

I heard about this two nights ago. Apparently, the fight was going nowhere with Warren and King involved, and as soon as they were out of the picture, they were easily able to negotiate the fight.

[Hex-One]

I really want RJ to win. :bears:

[TKO]

Right I'm going to this fight from sunny Ireland - will tickets be difficult to obtain?

[Father of Muzse]

calzaghe's patience has paid off. he will get wins on his resumé over the legends of his era and probably make more money from the fights than if he had pushed for them when they were actually juicy and meaningful.


This is half true.

if Calzaghe fought Jones ten years ago or five years ago there wouldn't have been enough of him left to fight Hopkins.

If Calzaghe fought Hopkins in 2002 or 2003 there wouldn't be anything left of him to fight this version of Jones.

Under each scenario, Calzaghe only gets one not both.

Even with that said, his "win" over Hopkins wasn't lauded or highly thought of back in England. It was a stinker of a fight and while he "won" he didn't win much in terms of good will. Most (accurately) see it as a matter of how faded Hopkins was.

[TKO]

This is half true.

if Calzaghe fought Jones ten years ogo or five years ago there wouldn't have been enough of him left to fight Hopkins.

If Calzaghe fought Hopkins in 2002 or 2003 there wouldn't be anything left of him to fight this version of Jones.

Under each scenario, Calzaghe only gets one not both.

Even with that said, his "win" over Hopkins wasn't lauded or highly thought of back in England. It was a stinker of a fight and while he "won" he didn't win much in terms of good will. Most (accurately) see it as a matter of how faded Hopkins was.

The B-hop fight was a no win situation. He was fighting the ultimate spoiler. IF Joe KOed him early the reaction would have been "old man Hopkins".

In hind sight Joe won in the only fashion he was ever going to win.

I don't this anyone would argue that fighting Jone 10 years ago would have been a totally different proposition.

[Father of Muzse]

The B-hop fight was a no win situation. He was fighting the ultimate spoiler. IF Joe KOed him early the reaction would have been "old man Hopkins".

In hind sight Joe won in the only fashion he was ever going to win.

I don't this anyone would argue that fighting Jone 10 years ago would have been a totally different proposition.


The same goes for 5 years ago.

I forget who Calzaghe beat, but I recall him calling out Roy at 168 and Roy hadn't fought at 168 since 1996 or so. This was on the undercard of Tyson's fight with Schultz I believe.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

The same goes for 5 years ago.

I forget who Calzaghe beat, but I recall him calling out Roy at 168 and Roy hadn't fought at 168 since 1996 or so. This was on the undercard of Tyson's fight with Schultz I believe.

Tysn never fought Schultz

[Father of Muzse]

Tysn never fought Schultz


You know the guy I'm talking about. Can't remember his name. One of Tyson's comeback fights. Brian Nielsen...that's the guy. Calzaghe fought Will McIntyre.

[qwertyhgfdsa603]

i think in my mind jones would not only beat calfaggi but would ko him

[LOK]

i think in my mind jones would not only beat calfaggi but would ko him


you are a wise man Brother Qwerty

[Hitman]

Calzaghe deserves zero credit for winning this, even if it's by first round KO

i agree - in reality i see this as a lose-lose fight for calzaghe... best case scenario is a one-punch KO in round 1 to top Milk-Dud's win and even then - its against a roy jones WAY past his best

the only way calzaghe comes out better is if he dominates from bell to bell and ko's roy in the middle to late rounds

[Double L]

this may be the first time i root for RJJ. WAR RJJ !!! I hope he whips him down with one of those sick uppercuts he throws to the body when he's against the ropes. He ripped a few of those against Johnson and somehow Johnson took em and kept coming. I'm not so sure Sloppy Joe can. He's never faced anyone with RJJ's speed, and Joe's speed certainly won't be anything new to RJJ.

[toomuchsol]

Sweet! I wonder when tickets go on sale? I really want to go to this fight.

[Arben]

If anyone really does go to this, hit me up. Cause we're partying.....on Cupey's tab!

[Father of Muzse]

If anyone really does go to this, hit me up. Cause we're partying.....on Cupey's tab!


$.12 and a roll of Mentos won't get you far in NYC.

[IMDAZED]

If anyone really does go to this, hit me up. Cause we're partying.....on Cupey's tab!

Arben, you and me both!

[Arben]

Arben, you and me both!
Hell yeah, I'll plan it out and turn it into a Jones-Calzaghe party weekend.

[steve_dave]

If Roy beats Calzaghe it could be my finest boxing moment since Lennox Lewis revenged his Rahman loss and beat Tyson back-to-back.

STILL NUMBER ONE AND IT'S GONNA BE THAT WAY.... BABY!

:lol:

[IMDAZED]

If Roy beats Calzaghe it could be my finest boxing moment since Lennox Lewis revenged his Rahman loss and beat Tyson back-to-back.

STILL NUMBER ONE AND IT'S GONNA BE THAT WAY.... BABY!

:lol:


"For all these doubters, him (points to Larry) and the rest of them! Now they know! I'm back where I deserve, I should be pound for pound the best..."

[IMDAZED]

Hell yeah, I'll plan it out and turn it into a Jones-Calzaghe party weekend.

YESSIR!! Finally, a big fight in NY featuring fighters we NEVER see in NY. Well, in Roy's case yeah but still!

[steve_dave]

"For all these doubters, him (points to Larry) and the rest of them! Now they know! I'm back where I deserve, I should be pound for pound the best..."

CAUSE I AM.

[LOK]

If Roy beats Calzaghe it could be my finest boxing moment since Lennox Lewis revenged his Rahman loss and beat Tyson back-to-back.

STILL NUMBER ONE AND IT'S GONNA BE THAT WAY.... BABY!

:lol:


:hammert:

I think the best moment for me since Rahman laid Lemmon the f out:lol:

[LOK]

CAUSE I AM.


"i'ont even wanna HEAR nothin else"

[LOK]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HZmO2cxU8zs

[steve_dave]

I also liked this one... not sure if I have it right but it's close.

I don't judge you by what you say, I judge you by what you do. And you do a lot of talking. Can you kick my ass? I doubt it.

[joony]

cupey owes me a couple of gyros and some hot dogs.

[steve_dave]

cupey owes me a couple of gyros and some hot dogs.

You and Cupey are both broke asses aren't you? :lol:

[jaws1216]

If Roy Jones wins this fight, I will eat my left pinky finger

[joony]

You and Cupey are both broke asses aren't you? :lol:

:lol:

[IMDAZED]

CAUSE I AM.

It's just like that. I don't even wanna hear nuthin' else!

[holler]

What a load of garbage. I'm moving out of CT to CA in september. I was hoping this fight would be in Vegas since its just in time for my birthday.

[r o o s t e r]

Even with that said, his "win" over Hopkins wasn't lauded or highly thought of back in England. It was a stinker of a fight and while he "won" he didn't win much in terms of good will. Most (accurately) see it as a matter of how faded Hopkins was.

britain

[jaws1216]

What a load of garbage. I'm moving out of CT to CA in september.

Just as Jesus intendid :hammert:

[r o o s t e r]

i give a big "booooo!" to this useless, shameless match.

fuck you calzaghe. you were a coward most of the time, and you were a coward at the end - that's how you'll be remembered.

[dsimon3387]

dsimon writes:

It is hard not to get excited about this fight. I am rooting for Jones as well. Good for these guys putting it together as well.

I don't know I mean Joe just didn't look that good against Hopkins to me last fight. He punched a lot but I think Hopkins did the hurtin that fight. To me this means that Roy has a chance.

Roy has to be in great shape and he has to have his speed together but yeah he might do it. I could see it happening.

I could actually see Roy embarrassing the Welsh Jelly roll. In my mind Hopkins embarrased him.

[who?]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HZmO2cxU8zs

roy should get in tysons face with that shit he was talking about him.

mike would eat him.

[steve_dave]

Even though I'm rooting for Roy, I give him about a 1/5 chance of winning the fight. Highly doubtful.

[IMDAZED]

Even though I'm rooting for Roy, I give him about a 1/5 chance of winning the fight. Highly doubtful.

Don't give up on Roy just yet. He's got a surprise coming...

[Father of Muzse]

Even though I'm rooting for Roy, I give him about a 1/5 chance of winning the fight. Highly doubtful.

Joe can only hope to outwork Roy. I see Roy doing a lot of covering on the ropes then Joe explodes with meaningless punches.

I give Roy a decent shot simply because his handspeed is still there. His legs are shit, but his hands are still fast. Hopkins walked Joe right into that right hand in the first round but didn't have the reflexes to pull the trigger thereafter. Roy will.

Jones taking Joe out with one shot is pretty much his only hope in this and I give him a GREAT chance at doing it whether it's a bodyshot or hook up top.

[jaws1216]

Joe can only hope to outwork Roy. I see Roy doing a lot of covering on the ropes then Joe explodes with meaningless punches.

I give Roy a decent shot simply because his handspeed is still there. His legs are shit, but his hands are still fast. Hopkins walked Joe right into that right hand in the first round but didn't have the reflexes to pull the trigger thereafter. Roy will.

Jones taking Joe out with one shot is pretty much his only hope in this and I give him a GREAT chance at doing it whether it's a bodyshot or hook up top.

based on?

how many one punch KO's has Roy had in the last 10 years?

When was the last time he scored a KO victory at all?

When was the last time he fought anyone near Calzaghe's level?


Roy fans are smoking some serious crack on this one, at this stage he might win this fight 1 out of 50 times.

[Father of Muzse]

based on?

how many one punch KO's has Roy had in the last 10 years?

When was the last time he scored a KO victory at all?

When was the last time he fought anyone near Calzaghe's level?


Roy fans are smoking some serious crack on this one, at this stage he might win this fight 1 out of 50 times.

Do note I said that was his only shot.

How many one punch KO's had Glen Johnson had before clipping Roy?

' Nuff said.

[jaws1216]

Do note I said that was his only shot.

How many one punch KO's had Glen Johnson had before clipping Roy?

' Nuff said.

but that wasn't a one-punch KO.

He won almost every round and KO'd Roy.

There is 0 chance Roy will be winning this fight, if he lands some miracle.

[Hitman]

but that wasn't a one-punch KO.

He won almost every round and KO'd Roy.

There is 0 chance Roy will be winning this fight, if he lands some miracle.

Even still, i think Calzaghe has proven to have very good punch resistance throughout his career. he has been down but never close to out - always came back hard, and never showed anything less than an excellent chin (find me a handful of fighters who wouldn't have been ko'd straight up after that shot Kabary Salem landed right on the chin)

isnt it a consensus amongst most that jones was done by the time he got to johnson? not the case with calzaghe, imo.

btw Musze do you only post if RJJ is involved in the topic? that's kind of sad

[steve_dave]

Do note I said that was his only shot.

How many one punch KO's had Glen Johnson had before clipping Roy?

' Nuff said.

Exactly.

That's why it's hard to give Jones a chance. :lol:

[Neil]

cupey owes me a couple of gyros and some hot dogs.

do you prefer tapatio or red rooster?

[Neil]

In my mind Hopkins embarrased him.

a realm allergic to logic.

[Pascals Wager]

Pick-em' fight. (even between whether the result itself is a stoppage or dec)

[IMDAZED]

I'm pretty sure if I wasn't a Roy fan, I'd be screaming on Calzaghe for fleecing the public with this mismatch. And essentially, that's what this is.

But I am a Roy fan so I'm excited about this match. That said, I stand by belief that it is more of a competitive fight than some of you choose to see. Maybe I see that because I'm a fan. But I don't think so. I just think Calzaghe is the only top fighter at 175 I'd tab Roy to beat..and I'm picking him to do so in what may seem like a surprise but really shouldn't have been. Hopefully he retires after that.

[Neil]

calzaghe is wise to fight the corpse of jones jr. if he were to truly challenge himself by facing a young hungry, rough and tumble bloke like hard hittin' henry he'd be in serious peril.

team calzaghe knows what the deal is, they saw hard hittin' get absolutely robbed in hungary and I'm sure they were watching tonight as hard hittin' turned formidible foe williams lip into a snatch.

[qwertyhgfdsa603]

you are a wise man Brother Qwerty
you all find out man let see

[Neil]

you all find out man let see

who would win if lennox lewis fought sherman sullivan?

[Father of Muzse]

calzaghe is wise to fight the corpse of jones jr. if he were to truly challenge himself by facing a young hungry, rough and tumble bloke like hard hittin' henry he'd be in serious peril.

team calzaghe knows what the deal is, they saw hard hittin' get absolutely robbed in hungary and I'm sure they were watching tonight as hard hittin' turned formidible foe williams lip into a snatch.

Chris Henry? Did you see him tonight?

He's not as good as Jeff Lacy.

(I assume you're joking)

[Monk]

My birthday is in September and I will get me a sweet ass birthday present when Roy KO's Calzaghe in 9 rounds. Damn this is has been a huge year in boxing. I'll Holla 5000


I'm really looking for the RJJ and Samuel Peter fight after Roy takes care of Cal. After this he can retire and assume his hard earned spot in history without lingering questions..

[BigJohn619]

Chris Henry? Did you see him tonight?

He's not as good as Jeff Lacy.

(I assume you're joking)

It looked like the ref was against Henry in this fight. He'd land a bodyshot or 2 and the ref would warn him.
I wouldn't mind seeing Lacy and Henry, that would be a war

[KaukipRrr]

:boohoo: "Prime Hops"... is about as full of shit as "prime Tyson" , it chops and changes to suit conveniences,.. I'd have liked to have seen the natural Lightheavyweight, actually fight there for a career, and then he would have been a recycled bitch for Roy the way ...uh?...Rock Allen was for Hopkins shitty resume.. Instead of the usual beat up on smaller fighters, Hopkins beat up on fighters EXTRA SMALL to get recognition,..I guess the much loved 'Hops' just wasn't trying hard enough up until then.

Hops is and forever will be, Roy's bitch, Joe's bitch, and especially Jermaine's bitch,...Jermaine beat the prime Hopkins who turned old who turned prime for Tarver and Winky who turned old again for Joe. He was Green for Roy, Green for Mercado, Green for Mitchell ofcourse.... awww aww awww .. we talkin' bout Hops who beat Antwun Echols!!!!, now dats da best middlweight eva. :boohoo:

[Baron]

a realm allergic to logic.:lol::laughing:

[BigJohn619]

but that wasn't a one-punch KO.

He won almost every round and KO'd Roy.

There is 0 chance Roy will be winning this fight, if he lands some miracle.

You're too nice.

He won EVERY round and KTFO Roy with one right hand.

[LOK]

there is a real real chance that Roy wins this fight..

Crapzaga is a slapping hoe and does not have the power of tarver with one shot..

also.. crapzaga was dropped by Hopkins like he was a two bit call girl

[Octopus]

dsimon writes:

It is hard not to get excited about this fight. I am rooting for Jones as well. Good for these guys putting it together as well.

I don't know I mean Joe just didn't look that good against Hopkins to me last fight. He punched a lot but I think Hopkins did the hurtin that fight. To me this means that Roy has a chance.

Roy has to be in great shape and he has to have his speed together but yeah he might do it. I could see it happening.

I could actually see Roy embarrassing the Welsh Jelly roll. In my mind Hopkins embarrased him.

Just when I thought you couldn't become any dumber!! You prove me wrong yet again:bears:

[steve_dave]

Just when I thought you couldn't become any dumber!! You prove me wrong yet again:bears:

C'mon Octopus... you're in no postition to be calling anyone else dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[skeedaddle]

there is a real real chance that Roy wins this fight..

Crapzaga is a slapping hoe and does not have the power of tarver with one shot..

also.. crapzaga was dropped by Hopkins like he was a two bit call girl


Hopkins put the weak slapper on his ass and still couldn't come close to winning the fight. The weak slapper made him fight defensive the whole fight. Those weak slaps must hurt.

[Caligula II]

dsimon writes:

It is hard not to get excited about this fight. I am rooting for Jones as well. Good for these guys putting it together as well.

I don't know I mean Joe just didn't look that good against Hopkins to me last fight. He punched a lot but I think Hopkins did the hurtin that fight. To me this means that Roy has a chance.

Roy has to be in great shape and he has to have his speed together but yeah he might do it. I could see it happening.

I could actually see Roy embarrassing the Welsh Jelly roll. In my mind Hopkins embarrased him.

Does this mean we're on for ANOTHER $100???

I'm tired of taking your money BUT I'll make an exception here.

Jesus H. Christ, Calzaghe is going to KILL this washed up asshole. :fightme:

[Caligula II]

there is a real real chance that Roy wins this fight..

Crapzaga is a slapping hoe and does not have the power of tarver with one shot..

also.. crapzaga was dropped by Hopkins like he was a two bit call girl

If you had any money and weren't such a bullshit artist, I'd empty your bank account too.

Calzaghe is going to kick the living shit out of Jones. Anyone who thinks it'll be remotely close is fooling themselves. :laughing::laughing:

[mexican wedding shirt]

C'mon Octopus... you're in no postition to be calling anyone else dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Inside out penis.

[Octopus]

C'mon Octopus... you're in no postition to be calling anyone else dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sure thing white bread:bears:

[Octopus]

Inside out penis.

Don't you like play video games??

[LATIN KING]

regardless of what chances Jones has on this fight it will definately be a better fight than Calzaghe/Hopkins.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Don't you like play video games??

Yes I do, thanks for asking.

[LOK]

If you had any money and weren't such a bullshit artist, I'd empty your bank account too.

Calzaghe is going to kick the living shit out of Jones. Anyone who thinks it'll be remotely close is fooling themselves. :laughing::laughing:


:lol:

we'll see hoe..

I thought you left here already.. didn't you announce your going away?:lol:

[dsimon3387]

C'mon Octopus... you're in no postition to be calling anyone else dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dsimon writes:

Aw I don't know Steve Dave surely the puss has learned the difference between a vagina and a penis by now. :lol:

[dsimon3387]

Does this mean we're on for ANOTHER $100???

I'm tired of taking your money BUT I'll make an exception here.

Jesus H. Christ, Calzaghe is going to KILL this washed up asshole. :fightme:

dsimon writes:

Nope. I said I hope Jones can win. I also thought Bernard did the hurtin in the last fight.

I will take the bet but I want odds on this one. You know from past experience I have at times offered you odds.... So I am not being a hypercrite.

The way judges score fights now a days is criminal. All Crappy has to do is slap away and be able to take a real shot or two from Jones.

[dsimon3387]

Don't you like play video games??

dsimon writes:

whats that clitorus man? Did you get that copy of Grays Anatomy I sent you?

"This is a snatch." :lol: Go pucker your asshole and pretend its a vagina.

[steve_dave]

Sure thing white bread:bears:

What's it like to be a little dumber than everyone else?

Are you aware and embarassed, or does it make you oblivious to the fact that you can't keep up?

[Tyler Durden]

What's it like to be a little dumber than everyone else?

Are you aware and embarassed, or does it make you oblivious to the fact that you can't keep up?

Going around talking about intelligence of people assumes you are an authority, I just haven't seen this demonstrated.

Lead by example.

[LOK]

:bears:

I love this forum

[steve_dave]

Going around talking about intelligence of people assumes you are an authority, I just haven't seen this demonstrated.

Lead by example.

He was the one who started calling other people dumb. :dunno:

[Tyler Durden]

He was the one who started calling other people dumb. :dunno:

Lead by example. I think Dsimon is very capable of defending himself :bears:

[steve_dave]

Lead by example. I think Dsimon is very capable of defending himself :bears:

Sure thing :bears:

[Caligula II]

dsimon writes:

Nope. I said I hope Jones can win. I also thought Bernard did the hurtin in the last fight.

I will take the bet but I want odds on this one. You know from past experience I have at times offered you odds.... So I am not being a hypercrite.

The way judges score fights now a days is criminal. All Crappy has to do is slap away and be able to take a real shot or two from Jones.

Okay. I'll give you the Vegas odds OR we can do a stoppage bet where we only pay up if the opponent is stopped on cuts, the fight is stopped by the ref or he is KTFO. That way there is no blaming the judges any more which is always subjective.

You saw Hopkins "embarrass" Calzaghe in the last fight. I saw Hopkins throwing six punches a round and losing nine rounds out of 12 easily. :dunno:

My first instinct is to predict a Calzaghe win by decision something like 10-2 or 9-3 but I can actually see him forcing a Manfredo style stoppage but late instead of early.

I'll leave the bet up to you.

[Caligula II]

:lol:

we'll see hoe..

I thought you left here already.. didn't you announce your going away?:lol:


I was away. I had a stroke! And I also had a quadruple bypass and caught a nasty yeast infection of the throat. But I'm back and it's all good. I told Golden-Shower Boy Promotions to go ahead and cancel my fight with Drew Stipes. I couldn't train because of the stroke. :old:

[dsimon3387]

Okay. I'll give you the Vegas odds OR we can do a stoppage bet where we only pay up if the opponent is stopped on cuts, the fight is stopped by the ref or he is KTFO. That way there is no blaming the judges any more which is always subjective.

You saw Hopkins "embarrass" Calzaghe in the last fight. I saw Hopkins throwing six punches a round and losing nine rounds out of 12 easily. :dunno:

My first instinct is to predict a Calzaghe win by decision something like 10-2 or 9-3 but I can actually see him forcing a Manfredo style stoppage but late instead of early.

I'll leave the bet up to you.

dsimon writes:

Vegas odds.... cool. That will work.

Hopkins didn't throw a lot of punches but Calzighe didn't do much of anything.

Let me confirm a day before... I want to see how prepared he is. He may be taking a cash out fight again, if he is I won't bet him. I trust my instincts and think I could tell.

[JayDawg]

Its easy money... Roy Jones will make it happen. I'm trying to decide how much loot I'm ready to put on him. I got me a couple of ducks. :crafty::

[IronDanLaw]

WAR RJJ.

He will put the first loss on Calzaghes record.

[bigdawg]

Its easy money... Roy Jones will make it happen. I'm trying to decide how much loot I'm ready to put on him. I got me a couple of ducks. :crafty::

I'm wit you dawg. I'm tryin to decide which round RJ is gonna stop Calzaghe. I'll Holla 5000

[Caligula II]

Big Dawg and Jaydawg, I'll take BOTH of your bets. Calzaghe is going to retire Michael Vick's uncle for good!

And Bigdawg, I remember YOU running your mouth about what JEFF LACY was going to do to Calzaghe. :atu: How did that work out again??? :atu:

[JayDawg]

Big Dawg and Jaydawg, I'll take BOTH of your bets. Calzaghe is going to retire Michael Vick's uncle for good!

And Bigdawg, I remember YOU running your mouth about what JEFF LACY was going to do to Calzaghe. :atu: How did that work out again??? :atu:

We will definitely talk dollars come fight time. I got to see what my change is gonna look like at that time. But its a bet for real....

[TKO]

Will tickets be difficult to get for this fight what are the best sites to obtain them ??

[Arben]

Will tickets be difficult to get for this fight what are the best sites to obtain them ??
It'll sell well, but I'm not so sure about a bonafide sellout. I would imagine that alot of UK/Wales fans will make the trek over to NY since it's a simple trip, but Roy isn't a big ticket seller, and I don't don't know how likely it is that 18,000 Calzaghe fans are going to pack the Garden.

I'm going to buy tickets, as are most of the NY crew. Just buy the cheapest ones. Nobody shows up until the main event, so you're sitting at ringside for most of the night(at least). Sometimes, if things go well, nobody shows up at the seat and security doesn't even bug you.

[joony]

It'll sell well, but I'm not so sure about a bonafide sellout. I would imagine that alot of UK/Wales fans will make the trek over to NY since it's a simple trip, but Roy isn't a big ticket seller, and I don't don't know how likely it is that 18,000 Calzaghe fans are going to pack the Garden.

I'm going to buy tickets, as are most of the NY crew. Just buy the cheapest ones. Nobody shows up until the main event, so you're sitting at ringside for most of the night(at least). Sometimes, if things go well, nobody shows up at the seat and security doesn't even bug you.

we had pretty decent seats for cotto-mosley.

[Arben]

we had pretty decent seats for cotto-mosley.
And that's actually the furthest back I've ever been when trying to work my way closer to the ring.

Our Toney-Ruiz seats were better.

[joony]

And that's actually the furthest back I've ever been when trying to work my way closer to the ring.

Our Toney-Ruiz seats were better.

yea that was the best, but we were lucky that no one came to that fight. :lol:

[REEDsART]

Calzaghe DOESN'T Have Tarver's DEFENSE & COUNTERPUNCHING Ability, NOR does he Possess Glen Johnson's DOGGED Determination...

So Judging Roy Jones Off of those 2 Fights is NO Indication of how He'll Do Against Calzaghe...

Calzaghe is a Volume SLAPPER...& His Workrate will Actually Work AGAINST him when Faced w/a Counterpuncher Equipped w/the HANDSPEED, POWER & ACCURACY of a Roy Jones...

Calzaghe will B Hit as HARD & as FREQUENTLY as he's EVER Been Hit...He'll Also Get Caught w/Shots he DOESN'T See Coming...& @ SOME Point, he's Going to Have to Decide if the Persistent Workrate is WORTH it...

Seriously, Does Calzaghe Hit ANY HARDER than Tito Trinidad???...Tito's Shots DIDN'T Bother Roy N the SLIGHTEST...

Bernard Hopkins EXPOSED Calzaghe's Susceptibility to the LEAD Right Hand, a Punch that Roy Executes BETTER than Hopkins EVER did...

Bottom Line, Roy Jones Will WIN this Fight...& Considering NOBODY is Giving him a Chance, Calzaghe's UNDEFEATED & Quite Possibly THE Best Fighter N the World(Lb 4 Lb), it'll B a VERY Sweet Day for Die-Hard Roy Jones Fans...



REED:partie:

[Arben]

Roy Jones isn't much of a frequent puncher himself, though.

Why don't you come up to NY, REED?

[joony]

damn, i like roy jones, but some of you are in serious denial. calzaghe himself is getting a bit old too, but he's still light years better than anthony hanshaw and that version of tito roy beat earlier this year.

calzaghe is also a much more dynamic fighter than tarver or glen johnson. he might not hit has hard, but he throws from various angles and isn't exactly that easy to hit.

roy's right hand won't find its way like hopkins did.

[bigdawg]

Calzaghe DOESN'T Have Tarver's DEFENSE & COUNTERPUNCHING Ability, NOR does he Possess Glen Johnson's DOGGED Determination...

So Judging Roy Jones Off of those 2 Fights is NO Indication of how He'll Do Against Calzaghe...

Calzaghe is a Volume SLAPPER...& His Workrate will Actually Work AGAINST him when Faced w/a Counterpuncher Equipped w/the HANDSPEED, POWER & ACCURACY of a Roy Jones...

Calzaghe will B Hit as HARD & as FREQUENTLY as he's EVER Been Hit...He'll Also Get Caught w/Shots he DOESN'T See Coming...& @ SOME Point, he's Going to Have to Decide if the Persistent Workrate is WORTH it...

Seriously, Does Calzaghe Hit ANY HARDER than Tito Trinidad???...Tito's Shots DIDN'T Bother Roy N the SLIGHTEST...

Bernard Hopkins EXPOSED Calzaghe's Susceptibility to the LEAD Right Hand, a Punch that Roy Executes BETTER than Hopkins EVER did...

Bottom Line, Roy Jones Will WIN this Fight...& Considering NOBODY is Giving him a Chance, Calzaghe's UNDEFEATED & Quite Possibly THE Best Fighter N the World(Lb 4 Lb), it'll B a VERY Sweet Day for Die-Hard Roy Jones Fans...



REED:partie:


Reed

Excellent post and right on if you ask me. Roy may not be as active as he used to be but he damn sure is more active then Hopkins, is faster then Hopkins, hits harder then Hopkins. This will be an easy win perhaps a stoppage by Roy for the simple fact is that Joe leaves himself wide the fuck open for Roys quick counter punching. We should also take into account of Roy's body punching as well. Joe is will return back to 168 with his first "L". I'll Holla 5000

[LOK]

Reed

Excellent post and right on if you ask me. Roy may not be as active as he used to be but he damn sure is more active then Hopkins, is faster then Hopkins, hits harder then Hopkins. This will be an easy win perhaps a stoppage by Roy for the simple fact is that Joe leaves himself wide the fuck open for Roys quick counter punching. We should also take into account of Roy's body punching as well. Joe is will return back to 168 with his first "L". I'll Holla 5000


I agree with you and REED completely

Calzaga is fast but he slaps..

Roy is fast but STILL has sharp punches..

Calzaga is getting stopped

[Baron]

I'll love to read the excuses after Roy loses against Calzaghe. The same people that are completely convinced Roy will not only win but dominate will be the first here to explain us how they knew all along Roy was shot because of the weight he lost before the Tarver fight, or even the Tito fight.:hammert:

[Arben]

yea that was the best, but we were lucky that no one came to that fight. :lol:
Yeah, my grandfather was sitting right behind the ringside seats all night.

[Mitchell Kane]

Calzaghe DOESN'T Have Tarver's DEFENSE & COUNTERPUNCHING Ability, NOR does he Possess Glen Johnson's DOGGED Determination...

So Judging Roy Jones Off of those 2 Fights is NO Indication of how He'll Do Against Calzaghe...

Calzaghe is a Volume SLAPPER...& His Workrate will Actually Work AGAINST him when Faced w/a Counterpuncher Equipped w/the HANDSPEED, POWER & ACCURACY of a Roy Jones...

Calzaghe will B Hit as HARD & as FREQUENTLY as he's EVER Been Hit...He'll Also Get Caught w/Shots he DOESN'T See Coming...& @ SOME Point, he's Going to Have to Decide if the Persistent Workrate is WORTH it...

Seriously, Does Calzaghe Hit ANY HARDER than Tito Trinidad???...Tito's Shots DIDN'T Bother Roy N the SLIGHTEST...

Bernard Hopkins EXPOSED Calzaghe's Susceptibility to the LEAD Right Hand, a Punch that Roy Executes BETTER than Hopkins EVER did...

Bottom Line, Roy Jones Will WIN this Fight...& Considering NOBODY is Giving him a Chance, Calzaghe's UNDEFEATED & Quite Possibly THE Best Fighter N the World(Lb 4 Lb), it'll B a VERY Sweet Day for Die-Hard Roy Jones Fans...



REED:partie:

"NOBODY is Giving him a Chance":dunno:

We'll see how Jones fights this one. He's shown a lot of timidity in his recent fights. Jones has never been one to want to get hit, but his chin-protection has been in overdrive in recent fights. He does a lot of waiting and covering up...if he does that against Calzaghe he'll have problems.

The Trinidad comparision is even worse than the Tarver comparision, IMO.

[REEDsART]

"NOBODY is Giving him a Chance":dunno:

We'll see how Jones fights this one. He's shown a lot of timidity in his recent fights. Jones has never been one to want to get hit, but his chin-protection has been in overdrive in recent fights. He does a lot of waiting and covering up...if he does that against Calzaghe he'll have problems.

The Trinidad comparision is even worse than the Tarver comparision, IMO.
Do YOU Think Calzaghe Hits HARDER than Trinidad???...

Do YOU Think Calzaghe COUNTERPUNCHES, Plays DEFENSE & PUNCHES as Hard as Tarver???...


REED:dunno:

[joony]

Do YOU Think Calzaghe Hits HARDER than Trinidad???...

Do YOU Think Calzaghe COUNTERPUNCHES, Plays DEFENSE & PUNCHES as Hard as Tarver???...


REED:dunno:

jones looked old and flat against a C- level fighter in anthony handshaw. super-inactive tito can't do shit at 168 power or no power.

roy's legs will give in the later rounds when calzaghe unleashes his slap-attack.

[REEDsART]

I'll love to read the excuses after Roy loses against Calzaghe. The same people that are completely convinced Roy will not only win but dominate will be the first here to explain us how they knew all along Roy was shot because of the weight he lost before the Tarver fight, or even the Tito fight.:hammert:Nah...

It's Crystal Clear to EVERYBODY That Roy Ain't ROY Anymore...But Stylistically, Calzaghe is a FAVORABLE Matchup...

& Some of Us Think Roy has @ Least ONE Great Performance Left N the Tank...


REED:mj:

[REEDsART]

Roy Jones isn't much of a frequent puncher himself, though.

Why don't you come up to NY, REED?As MUCH as REED Wants to See N.Y. & See Roy Jones Fight IN PERSON, it's Not Likely to Happen, Arben...

Not N 2008, Anyways...

REED is 3-4 Days REMOVED from a 2 Week Family Vacation, so Funds R Kinda TIGHT Right Now...

unless, Unless, UNLESS "Fightbeat" Wants to "Sponsor" REED's Trip...

cupey???


REED:dunno:

[joony]

As MUCH as REED Wants to See N.Y. & See Roy Jones Fight IN PERSON, it's Not Likely to Happen, Arben...

Not N 2008, Anyways...

REED is 3-4 Days REMOVED from a 2 Week Family Vacation, so Funds R Kinda TIGHT Right Now...

unless, Unless, UNLESS "Fightbeat" Wants to "Sponsor" REED's Trip...

cupey???


REED:dunno:

hahahahahahahaha

[Baron]

Nah...

It's Crystal Clear to EVERYBODY That Roy Ain't ROY Anymore...But Stylistically, Calzaghe is a FAVORABLE Matchup...

& Some of Us Think Roy has @ Least ONE Great Performance Left N the Tank...


REED:mj:I'm not talking about you REED, I know you always live by your words despite what your detractors say.:bears:

[Mitchell Kane]

Do YOU Think Calzaghe Hits HARDER than Trinidad???...

Do YOU Think Calzaghe COUNTERPUNCHES, Plays DEFENSE & PUNCHES as Hard as Tarver???...


REED:dunno:

Trinidad's offense is predictable. Calzaghe comes at his opponents far differently.

And Jones simply exposed much of his body to Trinidad in order to keep his chin from getting touches.

And Trinidad's legs aren't what Calzaghe's are.

[Arben]

Yeah, Tito, Tarver, and Calzaghe are three entirely different fighters.

[REEDsART]

Yeah, Tito, Tarver, and Calzaghe are three entirely different fighters.
No Shit...

But @ the Same Time, U Can GUAGE Certain Things Based on those Fights...


REED:hammert:

[joony]

Yeah, Tito, Tarver, and Calzaghe are three entirely different fighters.

yea, calzaghe is better than both.

[REEDsART]

Trinidad's offense is predictable. Calzaghe comes at his opponents far differently.

And Jones simply exposed much of his body to Trinidad in order to keep his chin from getting touches.

And Trinidad's legs aren't what Calzaghe's are.
Why Stop THERE????:dunno:...

Trinidad's Punching TECHNIQUE is ALOT more PRECISE than Calzaghe's & he Gets BETTER LEVERAGE on his Shots than Calzaghe Does...

Despite his Handspeed, Calzaghe's a VERY WIDE Puncher...Let's NOT Pretend that DOESN'T Present a Multitude of OPENINGS...& Let's NOT Pretend that Roy Jones ISN'T an Exquisite Counterpuncher...



REED:hammert:

[REEDsART]

yea, calzaghe is better than both.HISTORICALLY, Sure...

But REED Isn't Certain that Calzaghe would BEAT Tarver, Head to Head...


REED:nono:

[joony]

HISTORICALLY, Sure...

But REED Isn't Certain that Calzaghe would BEAT Tarver, Head to Head...


REED:nono:

realistically, yes.

tarver got his ass handed to him by hopkins and somehow managed to look like shit vs. elvir muriqi.

stylstically, it doesnt get any worse for calzaghe fighting a guy like hopkins.

tarver is fairly predictable and OLD. he hasn't shown me anything since the glen johnson rematch, which was how long ago?

[jaws1216]

No Shit...

But @ the Same Time, U Can GUAGE Certain Things Based on those Fights...


REED:hammert:

absolutely, like "Roy Jones can't compete with top level fighters"

Tito trinidad in 2008 is not even Tito Trinidad of 2006 who got embarassed by a much smaller Winky Wright. The fact that coming off retirement, moving up 10 pounds got him 4 more rounds against Roy than Winky should tell you how Roy's stock is in 2008.

Tarver is still unquestionably one of the 3 best Lt. Heavy's in the world, and Calzaghe lest we forget just beat the man who beat Tarver, more convincingly than anyone other than a prime RJJ.

What Calzaghe brings to the table are very good reflexes and a good workrate. Antonio Tarver was just a tall awkward southpaw with minimal output, and he almost shut out RJJ last tme they fought.

Calzaghe is a faster, more active, awkward southpaw which will definitely make RJJ as hesitant as he was against Antonio. You don't get over being shell shocked, and the back to back losses against Tarver and Johnson and Tarver again have certainly made Roy gunshy, to me that is the big key in assessing him against an elite fighter from here on out.

[REEDsART]

realistically, yes.

tarver got his ass handed to him by hopkins and somehow managed to look like shit vs. elvir muriqi.

stylstically, it doesnt get any worse for calzaghe fighting a guy like hopkins.

tarver is fairly predictable and OLD. he hasn't shown me anything since the glen johnson rematch, which was how long ago?
Tarver has ALWAYS Been a Hot & Cold Fighter...Like a PRIME Holyfield, Tarver Fights to the Level of his Opponent...

1nce he Stopped Fighting BUMS, he's Struggled N Putting Together a STRING of Impressive Victories...

REED LOATHES Tarver, but the Dude has a KNACK for MAKING Guys LEAD & Making them PAY for it...N Calzaghe's Case, Tarver WON'T Have to Worry about MAKING Calzaghe Lead...

Tarver's Left Hand, Defense & Counterpunching would Give him a GOOD Chance of BEATING Calzaghe...It's Certainly NO Guarantee that Calzaghe wins that Fight...



REED:hammert:

[LOK]

Crap Zaga got dropped by 187 year old Bernard who is not that fast and can not crack

Roy is faster and hits harder

[jaws1216]

Crap Zaga got dropped by 187 year old Bernard who is not that fast and can not crack

Roy is faster and hits harder

how many fights did it take Roy to drop Tarver?

how many fights did it take Hopkins to drop Tarver?

[LOK]

how many fights did it take Roy to drop Tarver?

how many fights did it take Hopkins to drop Tarver?


moot point

[Baron]

moot point:lol:

[jaws1216]

:lol:

:lol:

I mean you'd think, if you listened to the Roy fans, that he was some bomber puncher and that Hopkins is poop.

[Baron]

:lol:

I mean you'd think, if you listened to the Roy fans, that he was some bomber puncher and that Hopkins is poop.Oh he was, but Hopkins right hand is still money, even at that advanced age. I'm not sure Roy can still throw a punch as efficient. And don't get me wrong, I like Roy and despise Hopkins.

[REEDsART]

absolutely, like "Roy Jones can't compete with top level fighters"

Tito trinidad in 2008 is not even Tito Trinidad of 2006 who got embarassed by a much smaller Winky Wright. The fact that coming off retirement, moving up 10 pounds got him 4 more rounds against Roy than Winky should tell you how Roy's stock is in 2008.

Tarver is still unquestionably one of the 3 best Lt. Heavy's in the world, and Calzaghe lest we forget just beat the man who beat Tarver, more convincingly than anyone other than a prime RJJ.

What Calzaghe brings to the table are very good reflexes and a good workrate. Antonio Tarver was just a tall awkward southpaw with minimal output, and he almost shut out RJJ last tme they fought.

Calzaghe is a faster, more active, awkward southpaw which will definitely make RJJ as hesitant as he was against Antonio. You don't get over being shell shocked, and the back to back losses against Tarver and Johnson and Tarver again have certainly made Roy gunshy, to me that is the big key in assessing him against an elite fighter from here on out.
"Ya'll Musta Forgot" that Roy Jones DROPPED Trinidad TWICE & Probably could've STOPPED him had he Pressed the Issue...

How Many Times did Winky DROP Tito???...How Many Times did Winky HURT Tito???...How Many Rounds did Winky have Tito RETREATING???...

Surely U DON'T Subscribe to the "A Beat B, B Beat C, so A Beats C" Theory???...That's Been DISproven Half a Million Times N Boxing History...Yes, Calzaghe BEAT Bernard & Yes, Bernard WHIPPED Tarver, but what Does that have to Do w/Calzaghe vs. Tarver???...

Sure, Calzaghe is ATHLETIC, but his Defense ISN'T Stellar...He's THERE to B Hit, he's a WIDE Puncher & his Workrate Makes him VULNERABLE to Counters...

Even @ this Stage of his Career, Roy Jones will EASILY B THE Most ATHLETIC Fighter Calzaghe's EVER Shared a Ring w/...For the 1st Time EVER, Calzaghe will Face a Man w/SUPERIOR Handspeed...

To Top it Off, Roy is an ACCURATE Counterpuncher w/POWER...Roy's NOT Gonna just Go Out There & B a Glorified Punching Bag...


REED:nono:

[joony]

tito somehow managed to win 3 or 4 rounds vs. jones. winky's never been a puncher but he dominated every second of the fight vs. tito at 160 pounds.

jones didnt finish tito because he couldnt, no excuses there.

he might be able to tag calzaghe here and there, but he won't be able to capitalize on it.

[REEDsART]

how many fights did it take Roy to drop Tarver?

how many fights did it take Hopkins to drop Tarver?
Is EXAGGERATING Supposed to Lend Credence to your ATTEMPT @ Making a "Point"???...

The FACT is, Bernard Didn't "Drop" Tarver...He Knocked Tarver Off Balance...

Tarver's GLOVE Touched the Canvas & NATHAN More...But THANKS for OVERBLOWING the Issue...


REED:mj:

[jaws1216]

Is EXAGGERATING Supposed to Lend Credence to your ATTEMPT @ Making a "Point"???...

The FACT is, Bernard Didn't "Drop" Tarver...He Knocked Tarver Off Balance...

Tarver's GLOVE Touched the Canvas & NATHAN More...But THANKS for OVERBLOWING the Issue...


REED:mj:

how can we have decent discussion if you're gonna say nonsense like this.

Someone claimed Calzaghe got dropped by Hopkins and then implied that Roy is faster and stronger and thus would be able to do the same.

So I brought up a simple common opponent to show that claim to be false.

[Baron]

Is EXAGGERATING Supposed to Lend Credence to your ATTEMPT @ Making a "Point"???...

The FACT is, Bernard Didn't "Drop" Tarver...He Knocked Tarver Off Balance...

Tarver's GLOVE Touched the Canvas & NATHAN More...But THANKS for OVERBLOWING the Issue...


REED:mj:I think the point still remains, at no point in 3 fights Roy could time Tarver to catch him vulnerable enough to make him lose his balance. Hopkins did. As I said earlier, I'm not sure Roy still has what it takes to throw the kind of punch you guys are expecting. Hopkins aged way better than Roy and still couldn't beat Calzaghe.

[REEDsART]

tito somehow managed to win 3 or 4 rounds vs. jones. winky's never been a puncher but he dominated every second of the fight vs. tito at 160 pounds.

jones didnt finish tito because he couldnt, no excuses there.

he might be able to tag calzaghe here and there, but he won't be able to capitalize on it.
Dude, even Some Trinidad FANS have Acknowledged that Roy COULD have Dished Out More HURT, if he Wanted to...

& Who Says Roy WON'T B Able to Capitalize after Tagging Calzaghe???...Why Not???


REED:dunno:

[Baron]

Dude, even Some Trinidad FANS have Acknowledged that Roy COULD have Dished Out More HURT, if he Wanted to...

& Who Says Roy WON'T B Able to Capitalize after Tagging Calzaghe???...Why Not???


REED:dunno:At first that's what I thought too, but I heard Roy told Tito "I can't believe you made the distance against me" right after the fight. Maybe that was Roy being the gentleman he is, but that could also suggest that Roy couldn't stop him even though he had him hurt.

[joony]

Dude, even Some Trinidad FANS have Acknowledged that Roy COULD have Dished Out More HURT, if he Wanted to...

& Who Says Roy WON'T B Able to Capitalize after Tagging Calzaghe???...Why Not???


REED:dunno:

then why didnt he? because he can't anymore.

when was the last time roy scored a knockout? shit, even that novice dirrell was able to knock handshaw out when he had him hurt.

jones still quick, but he throws one punch at a time and it's not enough to beat any top level guys.

i would love to see roy turned the clock, somehow win this fight and then retire. i just don't see it happening.

[REEDsART]

how can we have decent discussion if you're gonna say nonsense like this.

Someone claimed Calzaghe got dropped by Hopkins and then implied that Roy is faster and stronger and thus would be able to do the same.

So I brought up a simple common opponent to show that claim to be false.
Nonsense???...

Bernard CLOCKED Tarver, Knocked him Off Balance & Tarver's GLOVE Hit the Canvas...NO OTHER Portion of his Body Touched the Canvas Whatsoever...

What Part of that is "Nonsense" Exactly???:dunno:...

By Comparison, Calzaghe was Sitting ON HIS ASS N Round 1, vs. Bernard...

Who's the HARDER Puncher, Roy Jones or Bernard Hopkins???...


REED:dunno:

[REEDsART]

I think the point still remains, at no point in 3 fights Roy could time Tarver to catch him vulnerable enough to make him lose his balance. Hopkins did. As I said earlier, I'm not sure Roy still has what it takes to throw the kind of punch you guys are expecting. Hopkins aged way better than Roy and still couldn't beat Calzaghe.
U're Right, Baron...

Bernard HAS Aged Better than Roy, but even Today, Roy Jones is the Superior ATHLETE...Roy's FASTER, Punches HARDER, is STRONGER, etc...

Calzaghe has PROVEN he Can Eat Up "Technical" Guys like Kessler & Brawlers like Lacy...But When has Calzaghe EVER Faced a Guy who Could MATCH or SURPASS him ATHLETICALLY???...

REED Recognizes that there's a Very REAL Chance Roy Could Get EMBARASSED, but to Act like he has Absolutely ZERO Chance of Beating Calzaghe is Preposterous...

Even Roy Nuthuggers & Haters Should B Able to See That...

REED:mj:

[REEDsART]

then why didnt he? because he can't anymore.

when was the last time roy scored a knockout? shit, even that novice dirrell was able to knock handshaw out when he had him hurt.

jones still quick, but he throws one punch at a time and it's not enough to beat any top level guys.

i would love to see roy turned the clock, somehow win this fight and then retire. i just don't see it happening.
Throughout his CAREER, Even During Stretches of his PRIME, Roy Jones has Been Known to Take his Foot OFF the Pedal 1nce he Knows he has a Guy BEAT...

R U Gonna Sit Here & Tell REED that Roy COULDN'T KO Reggie Johnson???...He Beat the Living Shit OUT of him for 4 Rounds, then Took his Foot OFF the Pedal...

To a Lesser Degree, he Did the Same w/Tito...


REED:mj:

[bigdawg]

When was the last time Calzaghe stopped somebody? Yeah I know Manfredo. But was that a legit stoppage. Anyhow Roy is gonna shock the world when he makes Calzaghe look ametuerish. I'll Holla 5000

[Breeze]

Calzaghe DOESN'T Have Tarver's DEFENSE & COUNTERPUNCHING Ability, NOR does he Possess Glen Johnson's DOGGED Determination...

So Judging Roy Jones Off of those 2 Fights is NO Indication of how He'll Do Against Calzaghe...

Calzaghe is a Volume SLAPPER...& His Workrate will Actually Work AGAINST him when Faced w/a Counterpuncher Equipped w/the HANDSPEED, POWER & ACCURACY of a Roy Jones...

Calzaghe will B Hit as HARD & as FREQUENTLY as he's EVER Been Hit...He'll Also Get Caught w/Shots he DOESN'T See Coming...& @ SOME Point, he's Going to Have to Decide if the Persistent Workrate is WORTH it...

Seriously, Does Calzaghe Hit ANY HARDER than Tito Trinidad???...Tito's Shots DIDN'T Bother Roy N the SLIGHTEST...

Bernard Hopkins EXPOSED Calzaghe's Susceptibility to the LEAD Right Hand, a Punch that Roy Executes BETTER than Hopkins EVER did...

Bottom Line, Roy Jones Will WIN this Fight...& Considering NOBODY is Giving him a Chance, Calzaghe's UNDEFEATED & Quite Possibly THE Best Fighter N the World(Lb 4 Lb), it'll B a VERY Sweet Day for Die-Hard Roy Jones Fans...



REED:partie:

I agree with everything.

I pulling for Roy too, the only thing that worries me is Roy laying on the ropes to much and Calzaghe winning just because he is throwing more slaps (even though they will do little damage).

[joony]

Throughout his CAREER, Even During Stretches of his PRIME, Roy Jones has Been Known to Take his Foot OFF the Pedal 1nce he Knows he has a Guy BEAT...

R U Gonna Sit Here & Tell REED that Roy COULDN'T KO Reggie Johnson???...He Beat the Living Shit OUT of him for 4 Rounds, then Took his Foot OFF the Pedal...

To a Lesser Degree, he Did the Same w/Tito...


REED:mj:
if he took his foot off the pedal then, why wouldnt he do it now?

he certainly don't have those capabilities as he used to. why couldnt he stop tarver in round 5 of their 3rd fight when he had the chance?

[Arben]

When was the last time Calzaghe stopped somebody? Yeah I know Manfredo. But was that a legit stoppage. Anyhow Roy is gonna shock the world when he makes Calzaghe look ametuerish. I'll Holla 5000
But nobody is saying that Calzaghe is gonna win on power.

[*Z*]

I will say this about the fight. If there is one elite fighter I'd give Roy a good shot to beat it is Calzaghe. He doesn't hit hard and he's open to counters. Calzaghe should obviously be favored, but I give Roy a shot.

[joony]

plus, calzaghe in his last two fights beat two elite level fighters. roy beat two bums and a shot, blown up jr. middle.

[jaws1216]

I will bet anyone any amount of money or sigspace or anything that Calzaghe wins.

[Mitchell Kane]

Why Stop THERE????:dunno:...

Trinidad's Punching TECHNIQUE is ALOT more PRECISE than Calzaghe's & he Gets BETTER LEVERAGE on his Shots than Calzaghe Does...

Despite his Handspeed, Calzaghe's a VERY WIDE Puncher...Let's NOT Pretend that DOESN'T Present a Multitude of OPENINGS...& Let's NOT Pretend that Roy Jones ISN'T an Exquisite Counterpuncher...



REED:hammert:

Trinidad could be precise when he had a target to punch at and when his opponents engaged him. You could take punches out of his arsenal if you moved the target, or had a sharp enough defense.

Calzaghe's faster with his punches and lighter on his feet...he doesn't sit down on his punches, which makes him completey different from Trinidad.

And as was mentioned, Trinidad came out of retirement to fight Jones at 170...which was actually Jones coming down in weight.

Calzaghe may leave openings, but again, will Jones be thinking offensively when Calzaghe's coming forward and punching?

The only reason he may is if he doesn't respect his power...but I'm not ready to believe Jones doesn't respect anybody's power, given the lack of confidence he's shown in some of his recent outings.

[Mitchell Kane]

Is EXAGGERATING Supposed to Lend Credence to your ATTEMPT @ Making a "Point"???...

The FACT is, Bernard Didn't "Drop" Tarver...He Knocked Tarver Off Balance...

Tarver's GLOVE Touched the Canvas & NATHAN More...But THANKS for OVERBLOWING the Issue...


REED:mj:

How long did Calzaghe spend on the canvas in the first round? A couple seconds?

And that was from a pinpoint right hand on the button that he walked into from one of the best trap-setters in the game.

And to your earlier point about Wright not hurting Trinidad, Wright was coming up from 154, and was never a puncher there. Jones was coming down from light heavyweight.

[REEDsART]

if he took his foot off the pedal then, why wouldnt he do it now?

he certainly don't have those capabilities as he used to. why couldnt he stop tarver in round 5 of their 3rd fight when he had the chance?Today's Version of Roy Jones Could AFFORD to Take his Foot Off the Pedal vs. Tito...As it Turned Out, Tito WASN'T a Threat to Him...

As for the 3rd Tarver Fight, Roy was CLEARLY SPOOKED...Tarver was the "Boogey Man" & Roy Fought NOT To Lose (NOT to B KO'ed), Instead of Fighting to WIN....



REED:kidcool:

[REEDsART]

How long did Calzaghe spend on the canvas in the first round? A couple seconds?

And that was from a pinpoint right hand on the button that he walked into from one of the best trap-setters in the game.

And to your earlier point about Wright not hurting Trinidad, Wright was coming up from 154, and was never a puncher there. Jones was coming down from light heavyweight.REED Wasn't Insinuating that Calzaghe was HURT...REED was Illustrating to Jaws the DIFFERENCE N "Dropping" Someone & Knocking Someone Off Balance...

REED's Winky/Tito/Roy Point was Also Related to a Post of Jaws...

CONTEXT, Brother...CONTEXT...


REED:kidcool:

[REEDsART]

Trinidad could be precise when he had a target to punch at and when his opponents engaged him. You could take punches out of his arsenal if you moved the target, or had a sharp enough defense.

Calzaghe's faster with his punches and lighter on his feet...he doesn't sit down on his punches, which makes him completey different from Trinidad.

And as was mentioned, Trinidad came out of retirement to fight Jones at 170...which was actually Jones coming down in weight.

Calzaghe may leave openings, but again, will Jones be thinking offensively when Calzaghe's coming forward and punching?

The only reason he may is if he doesn't respect his power...but I'm not ready to believe Jones doesn't respect anybody's power, given the lack of confidence he's shown in some of his recent outings.
Seriously, do U Expect Roy Jones to Just Sit There & ALLOW Himself to B PITTY-PATTED N 2 "Bolivian"???:dunno:...

Even if he's Being OUTLANDED, it's NOT like Roy WON'T Fire Back Eventually...@ his Absolute WORST (Glencoffe & 3rd Tarver Fights)Roy COUNTERED EFFECTIVELY when Pressured...

N Glencoffe's Case, he just ATE Every Counter Roy Hit him w/...But Roy DID Hurt Johnson w/Head AND Bodyshots, Prior to Getting KO'ed...& if REED's Not Mistaken, Roy HURT Tarver w/a Counter UPPERCUT Off the Ropes...

MENTALLY, Roy's N a Better Place NOW than he was N Either of those Fights...Against Calzaghe, Roy will B as CONFIDENT as he's Been N the Last 5 Years...

Roy has BETTER Handspeed than Calzaghe AND he's the STRAIGHTER Puncher...He's GOING to Land & OFTEN...


REED:mj:

[Mitchell Kane]

Seriously, do U Expect Roy Jones to Just Sit There & ALLOW Himself to B PITTY-PATTED N 2 "Bolivian"???:dunno:...

Even if he's Being OUTLANDED, it's NOT like Roy WON'T Fire Back Eventually...@ his Absolute WORST (Glencoffe & 3rd Tarver Fights)Roy COUNTERED EFFECTIVELY when Pressured...

N Glencoffe's Case, he just ATE Every Counter Roy Hit him w/...But Roy DID Hurt Johnson w/Head AND Bodyshots, Prior to Getting KO'ed...& if REED's Not Mistaken, Roy HURT Tarver w/a Counter UPPERCUT Off the Ropes...

MENTALLY, Roy's N a Better Place NOW than he was N Either of those Fights...Against Calzaghe, Roy will B as CONFIDENT as he's Been N the Last 5 Years...

Roy has BETTER Handspeed than Calzaghe AND he's the STRAIGHTER Puncher...He's GOING to Land & OFTEN...


REED:mj:

Jones has taken confidence builders, there's no doubt about that. And he's bided his time until a winnable enough big money fight became available for him to take it (I don't think he wants a part of Tarver or Johnson again...and probalby not Dawson either). Calzaghe isn't the knockout threat to him that those three are, IMO.

Maybe he's more confident now, but he's not as good physically as that fight. Jones is partly more comfortable in the ring because he comes into it with the mindset of protecting his chin even more than usual, and he's done a decent job of it in recent fights.

But I still think he has to prove he's willing to take some punches from Calzaghe, becasue as much as you've made of Jones' athleticism, Calzaghe's one of the more athletic fighters he's faced in years and he's active.

Jones has a lot of variables in this fight...legs, timing and willingness to fight.

[boxingnotboxers]

Seriously, do U Expect Roy Jones to Just Sit There & ALLOW Himself to B PITTY-PATTED N 2 "Bolivian"???:dunno:...

Roy has BETTER Handspeed than Calzaghe AND he's the STRAIGHTER Puncher...He's GOING to Land & OFTEN...


REED:mj:

I agree with this, but...

I think the fact that Calzaghe is not a one punch KO guy is being overstated so far. There is no doubt that his punching technique deserves the "slappy" title. He sacrifices form for speed, IMHO, because he's naturally powerful. If Calzaghe straightened his punches out, I think he'd drop his speed a notch or two to find the target...he'd end up in the Pavlik category. Calzaghe is able to overwhelm guys, not just because of his workrate, but because he actually DOES DAMAGE WITH EACH PUNCH. We've seen a guy like Juan Diaz play the high workrate card, with good punching form even, but that only gets you so far.

Having said that, I'm picking Calzaghe by decision. I would NOT be shocked in even the slightest if Jones wins this, even by KO, for the reasons you mentioned in your post.

Honestly, I'm getting pumped for this fight :partie:

[TKO]

It'll sell well, but I'm not so sure about a bonafide sellout. I would imagine that alot of UK/Wales fans will make the trek over to NY since it's a simple trip, but Roy isn't a big ticket seller, and I don't don't know how likely it is that 18,000 Calzaghe fans are going to pack the Garden.

I'm going to buy tickets, as are most of the NY crew. Just buy the cheapest ones. Nobody shows up until the main event, so you're sitting at ringside for most of the night(at least). Sometimes, if things go well, nobody shows up at the seat and security doesn't even bug you.

Yeah I think ill be making the trip over from Dublin. Thanks for the advice.

[Hitman]

I agree with this, but...

I think the fact that Calzaghe is not a one punch KO guy is being overstated so far. There is no doubt that his punching technique deserves the "slappy" title. He sacrifices form for speed, IMHO, because he's naturally powerful. If Calzaghe straightened his punches out, I think he'd drop his speed a notch or two to find the target...he'd end up in the Pavlik category. Calzaghe is able to overwhelm guys, not just because of his workrate, but because he actually DOES DAMAGE WITH EACH PUNCH. We've seen a guy like Juan Diaz play the high workrate card, with good punching form even, but that only gets you so far.

Having said that, I'm picking Calzaghe by decision. I would NOT be shocked in even the slightest if Jones wins this, even by KO, for the reasons you mentioned in your post.

Honestly, I'm getting pumped for this fight :partie:


Eubank is on record as saying that even tho Calzaghe's punches look like slaps, they are much harder than they look. Seems such a shame that a possibly exciting, powerful punch is wasted because he punches like woman in an attempt to overwhlem everyone with sheer punching volume

[Hitman]

I agree with this, but...

I think the fact that Calzaghe is not a one punch KO guy is being overstated so far. There is no doubt that his punching technique deserves the "slappy" title. He sacrifices form for speed, IMHO, because he's naturally powerful. If Calzaghe straightened his punches out, I think he'd drop his speed a notch or two to find the target...he'd end up in the Pavlik category. Calzaghe is able to overwhelm guys, not just because of his workrate, but because he actually DOES DAMAGE WITH EACH PUNCH. We've seen a guy like Juan Diaz play the high workrate card, with good punching form even, but that only gets you so far.

Having said that, I'm picking Calzaghe by decision. I would NOT be shocked in even the slightest if Jones wins this, even by KO, for the reasons you mentioned in your post.

Honestly, I'm getting pumped for this fight :partie:


Eubank is on record as saying that even tho Calzaghe's punches look like slaps, they are much harder than they look. Seems such a shame that a possibly exciting, powerful punch is wasted because he punches like woman in an attempt to overwhlem everyone with sheer punching volume

[mexican wedding shirt]

Eubank is on record as saying that even tho Calzaghe's punches look like slaps, they are much harder than they look. Seems such a shame that a possibly exciting, powerful punch is wasted because he punches like woman in an attempt to overwhlem everyone with sheer punching volume

That's interesting, I didn't know Eubs said that.

There seems to be a big range of differing opinions on how hard Calzaghe can punch.

I agree that he has some power, he just chooses not to use it, and has adopted his speedy, unpredictable freestyle way of fighting.

Which is obviously more original than a powerpuncher, and has certainly brought him a lot of success.

[IMDAZED]

As Roy Jones himself pointed out, Calzaghe's power is very deceptive. No, the slaps aren't hard but he mixes in some very, very hard straight shots in between those slaps. The key is not giving him space to extend. From mid-range Calzaghe is a terror.

[Father of Muzse]

His slaps and workrate are mostly likely due to his hand problems.

He barely laid a glove on Manfredo and managed to damage his hand.