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*Z*

07-10-2008, 02:13 PM

steve_dave

07-10-2008, 02:15 PM

I absolutely hate Tarver, but he looked better than Dawson did in their last fights. Dawson looked very average and barely beat Glen Johnson, while Tarver dominated a guy Glen couldn't beat in Woods.

As much as it pains me to say this, I think Dawson is in for a whooping here.

Come on, it's not fair at all to say Glen Johnson couldn't beat Clinton Woods.

Breeze

07-10-2008, 02:21 PM

I absolutely hate Tarver, but he looked better than Dawson did in their last fights. Dawson looked very average and barely beat Glen Johnson, while Tarver dominated a guy Glen couldn't beat in Woods.

As much as it pains me to say this, I think Dawson is in for a whooping here.

Well in all fairness, Tarver went through hell against Johnson and even lost to him. Theres no telling how good Tarver would look against Johnson even now.

I hate Tarver as well and hope Dawson destroys him.

*Z*

07-10-2008, 02:25 PM

Come on, it's not fair at all to say Glen Johnson couldn't beat Clinton Woods.

You're right, they went about even really. But Tarver absolutely dominated Woods.

I hate Tarver man, this is hard for me to say, but he is going to beat Dawson. I hope I'm wrong.

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07-10-2008, 02:53 PM

I pick Tarver over Dawson too.

I thought the Coffe beat him pretty clearly actually, I don't know why everyone was getting so excited about Dawson.

valdosta

07-10-2008, 03:01 PM

You will be reminded why when he kicks the shit out of Tarver.

*Z*

07-10-2008, 03:05 PM

I pick Tarver over Dawson too.

I thought the Coffe beat him pretty clearly actually, I don't know why everyone was getting so excited about Dawson.

That's what I'm saying. He didn't look special to me at all. AND this isn't the Glen that beat Tarver in 2004, this is the 39 year old Glen!

*Z*

07-10-2008, 03:07 PM

You will be reminded why when he kicks the shit out of Tarver.

I hope you're right. I guess I'm just not seeing what you all see in Dawson.

Xplosive

07-10-2008, 03:20 PM

Does he? If you ask me he has lost a lot of snap on his punches. This should be an easy win for Dawson.

Well theres a reason why Clinton Woods fought tenative all night long. Tarver stunned him a few times. Tarver without question hits harder than Johnson. Chad is a very talented fighter, but if he has one weakness its his chin. Tarver has a chance to Harding him, but I think most likely Chad will be too young, and fast for Milkdud. Should be an interesting fight though.

2008 just keeps getting better in boxing!:bears:

Xplosive

07-10-2008, 03:24 PM

I pick Tarver over Dawson too.

I thought the Coffe beat him pretty clearly actually, I don't know why everyone was getting so excited about Dawson.

Well he virtually shut out Adamek, who at the time was considered possibily the best at 175.

Chad IMO wasnt at his best against Johnson. He looked less sharp than usual, and it wasnt just because of what Johnson did.

Expect him to be sharper vs Tarver.

dsimon3387

07-10-2008, 03:25 PM

I pick Tarver over Dawson too.

I thought the Coffe beat him pretty clearly actually, I don't know why everyone was getting so excited about Dawson.

dsimon writes:

Yes unfortunately its true. mex and Z are correct. Milk dude is not a great fighter but one has to consider this. He is very good. He has a punch and beat some good guys.

Dawson arguably did not beat Johnson and at any rate aside from passing the gut test that fight provided, he didn't show the ability to sail to the top of the division by convincigly beating a crusty veteran.

Dawson has work to do still and Milkdud had to see it in the Johnson fight which is probably why all his friends were like "Milk dud put downt he crack pipe and take this fight you can take this kid.

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07-10-2008, 04:39 PM

Well he virtually shut out Adamek, who at the time was considered possibily the best at 175.

Chad IMO wasnt at his best against Johnson. He looked less sharp than usual, and it wasnt just because of what Johnson did.

Expect him to be sharper vs Tarver.

Hmm, I don't know about that, to me it looked all Johnson's doing, Johnson simply bnrought more to the table than any of his other opponents, took the fight to him, and Dawson couldn't handle him.

I don't really rate Adamek either.

I would actually root for Dawson over Tarver, nobody likes the milkdud, and I am no exception.

valdosta

07-10-2008, 04:43 PM

Hmm, I don't know about that, to me it looked all Johnson's doing, Johnson simply bnrought more to the table than any of his other opponents, took the fight to him, and Dawson couldn't handle him.

Depends what you mean by "handle", Dawson won the fight afterall. Tarver is the same guy who had a life and death struggle with Muriqui. he's pretty much done and Dawson is going to put him in his proper place. :partie:

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07-10-2008, 05:34 PM

Depends what you mean by "handle", Dawson won the fight afterall. Tarver is the same guy who had a life and death struggle with Muriqui. he's pretty much done and Dawson is going to put him in his proper place. :partie:
I thought he was done too, but he didn't look it against Woods. Woods is nothing special, but he is no bum either. If he was "done" - he probably would have lost to woods, or at least struggled badly with him.

And by handle, I mean win clearly :P

I really think that was a straight up robbery, I was shocked when they gave it to Dawson, but not that surprised given Glen's history of decisions.

"Why do dey tairk it from me all di time?"

ILLUMINATI

07-10-2008, 05:43 PM

I hate milkdud...but IMO he will take Dawson to school and stop him....

dsimon3387

07-10-2008, 06:03 PM

I thought he was done too, but he didn't look it against Woods. Woods is nothing special, but he is no bum either. If he was "done" - he probably would have lost to woods, or at least struggled badly with him.

And by handle, I mean win clearly :P

I really think that was a straight up robbery, I was shocked when they gave it to Dawson, but not that surprised given Glen's history of decisions.

"Why do dey tairk it from me all di time?"

dsimon writes:

I wasn't going to call it a robbery but you know what? it was. Johnson beat Dawson in that fight.

valdosta

07-10-2008, 06:11 PM

It wasn;t a robbery at all, Dawson edged it out 115-113. Style wise tarver will be a much easier fight. he's not as tough as Johnson and Dawson has a big ass speed advantage against him. Lastly to be honest Woods is pretty bummy. if the matchups were Dawson-Woods and Johnson-Tarver III there's a good chance we would just now be seeing Dawson-Johnson.

Bob N. Weave

07-10-2008, 07:26 PM

Who cares. They are both crap.

valdosta

07-10-2008, 08:16 PM

Who cares.

Boxing fans.

LATIN KING

07-10-2008, 08:49 PM

both Tarver and Dawson are incredibly overrated.

But Tarver has done great things at 175 before and is not past his prime.

Dawson hasn't done shit but win a belt. He got a gift against Jhonson and should be fighting him again not Tarver.

I liked Dawson a couple of fights ago but the more I watch him the more average he looks.

valdosta

07-10-2008, 09:16 PM

We have a lot of people who struggle to score fights on this forum apparently (not you MWS we usually agree). if anyone wants Tarver put some money where your mouth is I will take any bets.

Tyler Durden

07-10-2008, 09:22 PM

I absolutely hate Tarver, but he looked better than Dawson did in their last fights. Dawson looked very average and barely beat Glen Johnson, while Tarver dominated a guy Glen couldn't beat in Woods.

As much as it pains me to say this, I think Dawson is in for a whooping here.

Tarver did look pretty good in his last fight. He even was dancing on his toes and actually threw punches. I couldn't believe what I was seeing :lol:

ElTerriblee

07-10-2008, 09:27 PM

Honestly I think Woods froze under the bright lights. I´m happy I didn´t bet on the fight, cause I really thought Woods would just wear down Tarver. Of course you have to give Tarver a shot, but that he couldn´t put down Muriqi might be an indication, that his power has decreased, although it had some hand in the performance of Woods. I could easily see Dawson just overwhelm Tarver with his speed, skill and combinations. We´ll see whether Tarver still has the sharpness and reflexes to counter Dawson effectively. Even as a Tarver fan I doubt it.

LATIN KING

07-10-2008, 09:47 PM

We have a lot of people who struggle to score fights on this forum apparently (not you MWS we usually agree). if anyone wants Tarver put some money where your mouth is I will take any bets.
your in the minority who saw DAwson winning. There is a reason for that and is not the majority being wrong or not knowing how to score fights.

the way your cheerleading for Dawson even after he got a gift decision shows what a biased fan you are and that's why you saw him win. :lol:

valdosta

07-10-2008, 09:58 PM

your in the minority who saw DAwson winning. There is a reason for that and is not the majority being wrong or not knowing how to score fights.

the way your cheerleading for Dawson even after he got a gift decision shows what a biased fan you are and that's why you saw him win. :lol:

Actually there were plenty of people who thought Dawson won that fight. I am clueless how anyone scored more than 6 rounds for Johnson (yes a draw would have been OK, but nothing more). Johnson didn't win 7 rounds though. The bigger issue with that fight was all 3 judges had the fight 116-112 which surprised some people. Anyways if you have problem with my prediction put some money where that fat fucking mouth of yours is. :popcorn:

valdosta

07-10-2008, 09:59 PM

Honestly I think Woods froze under the bright lights.

Yes he did. Even in that fight Tarver didn't look that great, Woods was just that bad.

Tyler Durden

07-10-2008, 10:04 PM

Yes he did. Even in that fight Tarver didn't look that great, Woods was just that bad.

I thought he looked better than he ever has towards the end.

LATIN KING

07-10-2008, 10:13 PM

Actually there were plenty of people who thought Dawson won that fight. I am clueless how anyone scored more than 6 rounds for Johnson (yes a draw would have been OK, but nothing more). Johnson didn't win 7 rounds though. The bigger issue with that fight was all 3 judges had the fight 116-112 which surprised some people. Anyways if you have problem with my prediction put some money where that fat fucking mouth of yours is. :popcorn:I don't have a problem with your prediction. The fight is a toss up. your problem is how you scored the Dawson/Jhonson fight. :lol:

you make it seem like it was impossible for Jhonson to deserve a W :laughing:

valdosta

07-10-2008, 10:15 PM

It was impossible for Johnson to win. Actually it still is impossible all 3 judges saw it the way I did. :partie:

Neil

07-10-2008, 10:33 PM

tarver will be thoroughly drubbed by dawson

LATIN KING

07-10-2008, 10:37 PM

if Dawson loses it will be because he'll freeze under the lights like Woods did. :atu:

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07-11-2008, 02:14 AM

We have a lot of people who struggle to score fights on this forum apparently (not you MWS we usually agree). if anyone wants Tarver put some money where your mouth is I will take any bets.

I know we do, but honestly I thought Glen won that fight, and I am not a Dawson hater by any means.

I just think he is a little overrated, I think it's one of those situations where people get overexcited by speed and combos, which is all well and good, nice to watch, but people get blinded by that and neglect to see that the rest of the package is nothing special.

TKO

07-11-2008, 02:39 AM

Johnson was robbed against Dawson and as that was the only time I saw the guy fight I don't rate him.

This is be an interesting fight there is a lot on the line for both guys.

I think Tarver could get the UD.

boxingnotboxers

07-12-2008, 08:10 AM

It's all based on if Dawson is as stupid as he seems (yes that's sarcasm, I don't think the fighters I mention are stupid, just making a point)...

Anyone who falls for Tarver's defensive routine gets taken out, one way or another. The man knows how to sit back and wait his turn. Then when a fighter gets too aggressive he'll counter and often do damage. It happened to Harding, it happened to Jones, and it happened to Woods. The only one whom it didn't happen to was Johnson, and that's simply because Johnsosn actually LIKES to swarm and uses a wait-and-retaliate style; Tarver won that rematch simply because he was forced to *gasp* show some effort.

Dawson, besides having a tendency to be cracked solid in every fight that lasts over 4 rounds, has also shown to step on the gas a bit prematurely when he's in an offensive rhythm. I think the most likely scenario in this fight is Dawson jumping out to an early rounds lead, until he gets rocked by Tarver, and both men are a combination of punched-out (tired) and stunned; the second half of the fight ends up being high drama (but low volume) and the decision (if Dawson isn't stopped) makes every single person unhappy, including the winner who will claim they won the fight handily.

So, the optimist (as in, what I think is best for the division overall) says Dawson by split decision, but the realist in me says Tarver TKO 9.

*sigh* I always go with the realist, so my pick would be Tarver TKO 9.

Beyond the Grave

07-12-2008, 08:47 AM

Dawson's defense is pretty bad.I think Tarvers going too knock him out!

BigJohn619

07-13-2008, 10:11 PM

Tarver has a sneaky southpaw left counter which works quite well, he throttled Chris Johnson with it, and was getting owned by Eric Harding until he cracked him with it and subsequently stopped him. I think he stepped on Griffin's foot and cracked him with the left as well and put him on his arse late in their fight.

3OG

07-13-2008, 10:20 PM

I pick Tarver over Dawson too.

I thought the Coffe beat him pretty clearly actually, I don't know why everyone was getting so excited about Dawson.

I agree Antonio has Dawson's #. Remember I'm like 5-1 on my picks and called Byrd/George down to the round.:mj:

holler

07-14-2008, 12:17 AM

I'm gonna go with Dawson on this one. I like his consistent punch output as well as accurate punching to get him the UD. Tarver's poor stamina will be a big factor late in the fight, BUT Dawson's awful recuperative skills are a huge liability. Tarver WILL catch Dawson in this fight - I see Tarver rocking Dawson hard and when that happens Dawson has the tendency to get hit even more while trying to throw back, but I don't think Tarver will be able to finish him.

REEDsART

07-14-2008, 11:46 AM

Chad Dawson Looks like a Million Bucks UNTIL he Gets Hit...He's FAST & Likes to LEAD...

REED Hates to Say it, but he Thinks Dawson's Style Plays RIGHT INTO Tarver's Hands...Tarver's @ his BEST when his Opponent INITIATES the Exchange...

Tarver will B BEHIND, but REED Sees him Hurting then STOPPING Dawson...The Milkdud is like a COCKROACH...He REFUSES to Die...

REED:shit: