Any Canadian Here watching Daniel Santos vs Joachim Alcine?

[panchyprsss]

Not being televised here. Give us the details. This is do or die for Santos, maybe his last title shot. I know many of you hate Santos (mainly because Margarito have never been able to defeat him), but he is still a decent boxer with only three defeats in his record.

[Hitman]

i can tell you before it ends -

Santos will dominate. W12, unanimous, the scores will be closer than the fight reflects

:partie:

[Antwuan Maxx]

Here's a live link...

http://www.fomny.com/Video/Canada-tv/CBC-CBFT/CBC-CBFT.htm

If it doesn't take you directly to the page with the stream, go to tv by country and choose Canada. From the choose the CBFT icon on the second to the last row.

Or

http://freetube.110mb.com/index.php

Choose Entertainment then CBFT.


Undercard fighting still going on now...

[Baron]

I'm watching it, but I don't feel like making a rbr... sorry.:boohoo:

[Baron]

Santos looks like a devil worshipper.

[ElTerriblee]

Santos looks like a devil worshipper.

As long as he doesn´t lose, I´m happy, already took a hit with that bum Huerta today.

[Baron]

I hope the first round isn't indicative of the rest of the fight.:pray:

[valdosta]

what a dreadfull, "fight":bangh:

[ElTerriblee]

Le Phantom de Canada, I see a lot of Sven Ottke like title defenses where Alcine does nothing but destroy fights and win close decisions at home. :stir:

[Baron]

I'd say it's 3-1 Santos... And yeah, Alcine has a "negative" style.

[ElTerriblee]

39-37 Santos

Official scorecards: 39-37 Alcine. :stir:

[ElTerriblee]

Better round for Alcine. He´s in much better shape if he backs up Santos, instead of letting him dicatte the pace. 48-47 Santos

[Baron]

Good Night Alcine!

[ElTerriblee]

Fuck by decision, idiot. Not by KO. :bangh::bangh:

[Baron]

1 punch knockout.

[Antwuan Maxx]

:lol:Wow. Santos knocked Alcine the fuck out.

[ElTerriblee]

Let´s see the rematch between Santos and Dzinziruk for the WBA/WBO titles. :partie:

[Antwuan Maxx]

Does this enhance Margarito's legacy? :dunno:

[valdosta]

Typical example of there being to many titles. Santos is now a "champion" although he never beat the guy who beat him who is also a "champion".

[panchyprsss]

Does this enhance Margarito's legacy? :dunno:
:laughing:

[panchyprsss]

I love it when the local boy gets his butt kicked in front of his adoring compatriots!:bears:

[Neil]

santos is a big southpaw jr middleweight who can hit. not as easy guy to beat.

[LEGENDARY]

santos is a big southpaw jr middleweight who can hit. not as easy guy to beat.


Agreed Santos is a very good fighter that to my recolection was the only recent guy to have Marg or Queir street with a temple shot.
Santos is def a good fighter and 3 time Legit champ.:bears:

[valdosta]

Santos is def a good fighter and 3 time Legit champ.:bears:

Huh? Legit champ of what? The guy who took his title still has it. :dunno:

[Nobleart]

Huh? Legit champ of what? The guy who took his title still has it. :dunno:


Yeah, we get it. There's lots of belts. :lol:

[Hitman]

Santos rules... the sooner you all realize this the sooner i won't have to clown you


:)

[panchyprsss]

Santos rules... the sooner you all realize this the sooner i won't have to clown you


:)
Right on!
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[Xplosive]

Does this mean Santos is the best at 154 now?:bangh:

[KaukipRrr]

Santos will always be Margarito's bitch,..

[mexican wedding shirt]

Huh? Legit champ of what? The guy who took his title still has it. :dunno:

Yeah, that's a pretty absurd thing to say, the whole point is that he is NOT a legit champ :lol:

Although I don't actually like Santos, I've always thought he was a pretty good fighter, this result was not surprising.

[LEGENDARY]

Santos will always be Margarito's bitch,..


Yep i agree

Lost in 10 to Santos once then a NC yup thats bitchness all right.:kidcool:

[Antwuan Maxx]

Knockout clip..

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[mexican wedding shirt]

Yep i agree

Lost in 10 to Santos once then a NC yup thats bitchness all right.:kidcool:

Right, but he is not a legit champ, he just beat Alcine, who is maybe a top 10 fighter at 154.

[IMDAZED]

That was a beautiful feint by Santos just before he threw the KO punch.

I always thought he fought as if he didn't believe in himself. But I think the Margarito fight woke him up like someone else mentioned. Santos always kinda fought - for lack of a better term - gay. But Margarito made him fight and we discovered a few good things about him. One, he can punch. Two, he doesn't take one that well but he's got some moxie. And finally, a big, strong southpaw is always gonna be a problem if he fights like one. He's been inactive in the past and that led to a lackluster performance against that other champ but if he stays busy, he'll be a problem.

[ElTerriblee]

That was a beautiful feint by Santos just before he threw the KO punch.

I always thought he fought as if he didn't believe in himself. But I think the Margarito fight woke him up like someone else mentioned. Santos always kinda fought - for lack of a better term - gay. But Margarito made him fight and we discovered a few good things about him. One, he can punch. Two, he doesn't take one that well but he's got some moxie. And finally, a big, strong southpaw is always gonna be a problem if he fights like one. He's been inactive in the past and that led to a lackluster performance against that other champ but if he stays busy, he'll be a problem.

Nothing lackluster about his performance against Dzinziruk. Just lost to a better man in a very good fight.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Nothing lackluster about his performance against Dzinziruk. Just lost to a better man in a very good fight.

Really? I haven't seen that fight, in fact I haven't seen Ziruk at all, how good is he?

[IMDAZED]

Nothing lackluster about his performance against Dzinziruk. Just lost to a better man in a very good fight.

Possibly. I just wish these junior middles got some more recognition and airtime. Boxrec (and HBO) still has Oscar De La Hoya the #1 154lber even though I can't remember the last significant victory he had.

[ElTerriblee]

Really? I haven't seen that fight, in fact I haven't seen Ziruk at all, how good is he?

One of the best jr. middleweight fights of the last few years, certainly top five. Great boxing conest.

How good Dzinziruk is? Well some say he lost to Sebastian " One good ear" Lujan, but I haven´t seen that fight. I think he clearly lost his last fight to Lukas Konecny (9-3, 8-4ish), who is a mid-level european talent. My theory is that he can box with the best of them, but can look like total garbage against mediocre swarmers.

[Hitman]

Does this mean Santos is the best at 154 now?:bangh:


There was never any doubt

[panchyprsss]

Nothing lackluster about his performance against Dzinziruk. Just lost to a better man in a very good fight.
Santos came to the Dzinziruk fight after a 15 months period of inactivity. Rustiness did had some effect on him.

[valdosta]

He fought just fine, he lost to the better boxer.

[joony]

santos has had a pretty good career. good win for him.

[His_Royness]

He fought just fine, he lost to the better boxer.



Who also gave by FAR his best performance ever that night...

[Hitman]

Who also gave by FAR his best performance ever that night...

Santos wins the rematch

[Tam Tam]

Santos wins the rematch

Not unless its in Bayamon.

Anyway, that was a sick KO. Probably the second best of his career. Got to go a long way to find a better one-punch finish than the one he recorded over Neil Sinclair.

[Azazel]

Santos just koed an undefeated champ while Dzinziruk just robbed a bum, so I'd say Santos is a legit champ 154

[Tam Tam]

Santos just koed an undefeated champ while Dzinziruk just robbed a bum, so I'd say Santos is a legit champ 154

:bangh: Jesus. What is wrong with you people. You don't get to pick who you think is champ. This ain't no 'choose your own adventure' book for christs sake.

[Xplosive]

I'd like to see Santos fight Cintron.

[Tam Tam]

I'd like to see Santos fight Cintron.

Agreed. It wouldn't be too difficult to sell either. Good fight.

[Hitman]

Not unless its in Bayamon.

Anyway, that was a sick KO. Probably the second best of his career. Got to go a long way to find a better one-punch finish than the one he recorded over Neil Sinclair.

I like Santos' chances in a rematch. Would love to see it happen, the first match was very enjoyable.

[Xplosive]

Agreed. It wouldn't be too difficult to sell either. Good fight.

Yup. And although Santos would have to be favored, Cintron wouldnt be without a chance.

[Azazel]

:bangh: Jesus. What is wrong with you people. You don't get to pick who you think is champ. This ain't no 'choose your own adventure' book for christs sake.

Exactly, I don't get to pick who is champ, I didn't get to pick Santos to be a legit champ, he did that himself by koing Alcine. I get to pick who's the man to beat, a.k.a. the number 1 of the division, and Santos may very well be that man at 154

[Tam Tam]

Exactly, I don't get to pick who is champ, I didn't get to pick Santos to be a legit champ, he did that himself by koing Alcine. I get to pick who's the man to beat, a.k.a. the number 1 of the division, and Santos may very well be that man at 154

Sure, if you ignore the fights that actually happen and the results that followed; yes, you could make that claim. :notallthere:

[panchyprsss]

Well then the last recognized unified champion at junior middleweight was Winky Wright and since he was not defeated in the ring for those belts, the next boxer recognized as the Man in the division was Travis Sims, who was defeated by Joachim Alcine which now was defeated by Santos. Thus Santos is now The man, unless you try to make a case for Segio Mora who beat old timer Vernon Forrest, who won the title in an eliminator against coming-from-defeat welter Carlos Baldomir:boohoo:or maybe Verno Philips, who beat Cory Spinks, who decisioned Roman Karmazin (after being KO silly in his previous bout with Zab Judah at welter), who defeated Kassim Ouma, who lost the title in his second defense and had won the title from Verno Philips, who won the vacant title in an eliminator and lost it in his first defense.:shit:

In my book, Daniel Santos is The Man. Of course he needs to fight and beat Dzinziruk to erase any doubts as to who is #1.

[valdosta]

All I know is Santos and Dzindurik both have a title. They fought before and Santos lost. That makes him nothing more than a paper champion. Trying to rationalize Santos in front of him is pretty pathetic.

[valdosta]

Well then the last recognized unified champion at junior middleweight was Winky Wright and since he was not defeated in the ring for those belts, the next boxer recognized as the Man in the division was Travis Sims.

Really? Based on his win over Jose Rivera? :atu:Travis Sims was a titleist, he was never "the man". There wasn't 1. Just a bunch of titleist. Of course when you have 2 titleist, and 1 already beat the other I think he should be rated in front of the guy he beat. Especially when he drops him and wins clearly.

[Tam Tam]

OMG. I can't believe I just read that. Santos is the man because he beat a nobody, why the guy who BEAT SANTOS is still undefeated and holds the belt he took FROM SANTOS. :lol: My god.

[steve_dave]

Santos sizzle!!!11

[Tam Tam]

Just to make this clear, does anyone consider Mikkel Kessler the legit champ @ 168? I mean, he won a world title. It doesn't matter than the guy who beat him, is still undefeated...does it?

[BigJohn619]

Just to make this clear, does anyone consider Mikkel Kessler the legit champ @ 168? I mean, he won a world title. It doesn't matter than the guy who beat him, is still undefeated...does it?
The guy who beat him isn't @168 anymore :kick:

[valdosta]

OMG. I can't believe I just read that. Santos is the man because he beat a nobody, why the guy who BEAT SANTOS is still undefeated and holds the belt he took FROM SANTOS. :lol: My god.

Good I am glad I am not losing it. :lol:

[Hitman]

Good I am glad I am not losing it. :lol:

anyone arguing against this logic is missing a few brain cells

[Xplosive]

One day El Perro Angulo will KO Santos.

[REEDsART]

Bottom Line...

Wherever U So Choose to Rank Margarita, Daniel Santos MUST B Ranked HIGHER....


REED:partie:

[Hitman]

One day El Perro Angulo will KO Santos.

in his dreams

[panchyprsss]

Bottom Line...

Wherever U So Choose to Rank Margarita, Daniel Santos MUST B Ranked HIGHER....


REED:partie:
Word!:bears:

[valdosta]

Bottom Line...

Wherever U So Choose to Rank Margarita, Daniel Santos MUST B Ranked HIGHER....


REED:partie:

That would be relevant if they were in the same division. By the same logic of course wherever you rank Daniel Santos, Dzindurik has to be rated ahead of him.

[LATIN KING]

Bottom Line...

Wherever U So Choose to Rank Margarita, Daniel Santos MUST B Ranked HIGHER....


REED:partie:why?

both fights ended in a clash of heads. neither guy showed to be better than the other to brag about being better.

Hell, I remember the rematch Margarito moved up to 154 to face Santos who was 170 in the ring. The fight was still close when they stoped it because of the clash of heads

[Mitchell Kane]

Bottom Line...

Wherever U So Choose to Rank Margarita, Daniel Santos MUST B Ranked HIGHER....


REED:partie:

Bringing Margarito up in this topic is a complete joke.

And you say you don't hate Margarito.:lol:

Neither of their fights had a winner as conclusive as Dzinziruk-Santos or Santos-Alcine.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Still fairly conslusive. Santos calmly outboxed and busted up Margarito, and won fair and square.

It was fairly close, but Santos was winning.

[ElTerriblee]

Still fairly conslusive. Santos calmly outboxed and busted up Margarito, and won fair and square.

It was fairly close, but Santos was winning.

Yes, won by a point on a TD at home in Puerto Rico, while Margarito was coming on strong. Many even had Margarito ahead by a round. And nobody was busted up in the fight. :doh:

[Mitchell Kane]

Yes, won by a point on a TD at home in Puerto Rico, while Margarito was coming on strong. Many even had Margarito ahead by a round. And nobody was busted up in the fight. :doh:

In a fight at 154 when he could still clearly make 147.

[Mitchell Kane]

Still fairly conslusive. Santos calmly outboxed and busted up Margarito, and won fair and square.

It was fairly close, but Santos was winning.

Farily conclusive?

Even the stoppage was disputed, let alone the scorecards.

B.S.