Pavlik-Williams is on.

[Xplosive]

Arum says its just about a done deal, for Sep 27th. I admire Paul for having the balls to take the fight, but the cat has NO shot!

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Pavlik is shamelessly ducking Amin Asikainen

[Xplosive]

I swear, if Kelly doesnt fight the smurf after Williams, I'll be mad as hell!

[KaukipRrr]

Im not going to say,.. WOW 'lil Williams' jumped up two divisions!!,.. the way 'lil Hopkins' did,..but he does have guts taking on Pavlik, the undisputed middleweight champion, who's a strong brutal puncher. This is a bad styles match up for the spider, although he loves to frantically weave his soft spinerettes around his victims and eventually subdue them, Pavlik is larger than you average middleweight, and armed with nippers like a tiger beetle, if Paul is to successfully cacoon this predator, he'd better be prepared to lose atleast 5 legs in doing so.

[Baron]

I guess we'll see how good Williams' chin really is.

[Tam Tam]

Pathetic excuse for a fight.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Pathetic excuse for a fight.

No, it's a great fight, it's the Hagler - Hearns of 2008. :mj:

[Baron]

No, it's a great fight, it's the Hagler - Hearns of 2008. :mj::lol:

[Tam Tam]

Its the Taylor v Spinks of '08

[mexican wedding shirt]

I know, it's a pretty crap fight. Williams hasn't really shown any indication that he is a worthy challenger, or that he could compete at 160. Other than the Quintana rematch, it's not like he's been crushing welterweights like they were bugs.

His only hope is that Kelly takes it easy on him, being that he is just a welterweight.

I might not like the Smurf, but that would have been a far more competitive fight, and one that I would much rather see.

[Hex-One]

I guess we'll see how good Williams' chin really is.
I agree! I give Williams props for taking this challenge but like X said he has zero shot.

[IMDAZED]

Williams' handlers are very, very high on him. And they look at the first Quintana fight as a complete aberration. But this is surprising. Kelly Pavlik? I'll tell you what, it'll be very interesting to see if he takes a punch better with a much bigger frame - and if carries or gains pop along the way. If yes to both, he'll give Pavlik a hard time. But even then he's gotta be a huge underdog.

[Neil]

actually santos would be a bigger more dangerous foe for pavlik if he wants to look to the lower divisions. arum dislikes santos however.

[boxingnotboxers]

OH GOD DAMMIT!!! :flip:

This had better be another Arum lie. I can't stand this match in any form. This could ruin Williams' career if he can't pull off the upset.

-it's no little feat to get a frame like his down to 147. If he seriously trains to fight as a 160 lbs guy, there is no way he'll be able to drop weight again.

-Pavlik is accurate and powerful; therefore he can conserve energy. Volume is Williams' key. Who knows if he can do that at middleweight.

-Pavlik has been knocked down as a middleweight, and won in that same fight. Williams has been wobbled by Welterweights, and on a night when he was a punch sponge he didn't really come close to winning.

-Let's say he does win...there is no doubt it's a friggin war, and that means he'll be a shell by the time he can get any other major fight. I WISH this were the equivalent of Spinks-Taylor because Spinks didn't get hurt in that fight. Punisher is is guaranteed to eat fists from the heaviest handed middleweight right now.

I think I'm going to vomit :bangh:

[Baron]

Some may call it a bullshit fight, and they're right when it comes to Pavlik. But in Williams' case, it is really a huge gamble with his boxing career. Like BnB just said, if he leaves WW he won't get back there, not with that LHW frame. If he loses this fight badly, he'll be stuck in a division where he's nothing. He has a lot to lose, but this is the kind of move that could make him a star: huge risk, huge reward. I can't say I'm not interested in this fight.

[Xplosive]

Its the Taylor v Spinks of '08

Well at least this fight will be exciting, unlike Taylor-Spinks. But if Paul sees past the 6th round, I'll be shocked.

[Hitman]

actually santos would be a bigger more dangerous foe for pavlik if he wants to look to the lower divisions. arum dislikes santos however.

Pavlik wants nothing to do with Santos.

[Xplosive]

Pavlik wants nothing to do with Santos.

Lets not go overboard here about Santos. With his chin, theres no way I'd pick him over Pavlik. Though I admit, he'd be more of a threat than Williams.

[Hitman]

Lets not go overboard here about Santos. With his chin, theres no way I'd pick him over Pavlik. Though I admit, he'd be more of a threat than Williams.

Clearly you have forgotten about me. It's been a while. Hi, i am Hitman - good to meet you.

[LATIN KING]

actually santos would be a bigger more dangerous foe for pavlik if he wants to look to the lower divisions. arum dislikes santos however.at least Williams has size and talent

santos is garbage

[mexican wedding shirt]

at least Williams has size and talent

santos is garbage

If he's garbage, then margarito is a pure piece of shit, even lower than garbage.

I would probably pick Santos over Williams, he's a good fighter, and a big 154 pounder.

[Xplosive]

If he's garbage, then margarito is a pure piece of shit, even lower than garbage.

I would probably pick Santos over Williams, he's a good fighter, and a big 154 pounder.

This will be confirmed in 2 weeks.

[Hex-One]

This is a huge gamble for Williams no doubt. But sometimes in Boxing we are very surprised on the outcome. You never know. If Williams can pull off a huge upset ( very, very unlikely, his options are endless and he will stamp his mark in boxing history.:mj:

[bigdawg]

This is a bullshit ass fight. Why in the fuck is Pavlik taking this fight. I can understand why WIlliams is taking the fight but what is Pavliks reason. He has absolutely nothing to gain from taking this fight and Williams has everything. This is whack. I might boycott this bullshit. I'll Holla 5000

[KaukipRrr]

This is a bullshit ass fight. Why in the fuck is Pavlik taking this fight. I can understand why WIlliams is taking the fight but what is Pavliks reason. He has absolutely nothing to gain from taking this fight and Williams has everything. This is whack. I might boycott this bullshit. I'll Holla 5000

It aint that bad, keep in mind that the spider is not a welterweight, and Paul has a pretty good chin, it is a bit of a mystery as to how he will perform at 160 against other middleweights, but that frame and reach of his has weight divisions to spare, he'll give whitey a good run I reckon.

[Azazel]

The fight is terrible because it robs us of all the intriguing matchup that Williams could have at 147

[bigdawg]

It aint that bad, keep in mind that the spider is not a welterweight, and Paul has a pretty good chin, it is a bit of a mystery as to how he will perform at 160 against other middleweights, but that frame and reach of his has weight divisions to spare, he'll give whitey a good run I reckon.

Why isn't Williams a welterweight. He makes the weight doesn't he. That's just like someone saying that Hatton ain't a jr.welter weight when he comes into the ring with such a weight advantage over of his opponents. You are what the weight class you weigh in at. We have never heard anyone say that Williams has cheated while on the scales. Besides boxing is based on weight and not how tall you are or how long your reach is. Williams is a welterweight moving up in 2 weight classes to fight. Bullshit move on Pavliks part. Anybody else would get mad shit talked about them for picking a cat not only 1 division but 2 divisions. I'm a Pavlik fan but I may have to sit this one out. I'll Holla 5000

[KaukipRrr]

Why isn't Williams a welterweight. He makes the weight doesn't he. That's just like someone saying that Hatton ain't a jr.welter weight when he comes into the ring with such a weight advantage over of his opponents. You are what the weight class you weigh in at. We have never heard anyone say that Williams has cheated while on the scales. Besides boxing is based on weight and not how tall you are or how long your reach is. Williams is a welterweight moving up in 2 weight classes to fight. Bullshit move on Pavliks part. Anybody else would get mad shit talked about them for picking a cat not only 1 division but 2 divisions. I'm a Pavlik fan but I may have to sit this one out. I'll Holla 5000

Yeah and that's what I believe is bullshit, you have monsters like Suarez, Williams, Cintron and Margarito, who have exceptional genetical traits to cut weight better than normal fighters of thier same measurements who've got no choice but to fight in the divisions where they more accurately belong. Weight divisions SHOULD be categorised by the calculation of overall mass at a core fitness weight, where ofcourse no measures to drastically deflate in weight have been taken. In this sense, I love the big black spider and the way he spins his web around his fluttering little moth-like opponents, but he's not a welterweight, and I believe he'll bind Pavlik's hands and legs together, you should too.

[holler]

Poor Williams is gonna get brutalized. Shame on Pavlik for taking this fight.

[LOK]

This is a bullshit ass fight. Why in the fuck is Pavlik taking this fight. I can understand why WIlliams is taking the fight but what is Pavliks reason. He has absolutely nothing to gain from taking this fight and Williams has everything. This is whack. I might boycott this bullshit. I'll Holla 5000


cuz bitch ass Crapzaga is duckin him..

I hope Roy knocks Crapzaga out!!

[Arben]

I don't see how people think this is a bad decision for Williams. He's got virtually nothing at 147lbs. He can't fight floyd. Cotto has been tied up for quite some time now, and if he beats Margarito, he'll be lobbying for a fight with floyd. He can't fight Berto. Besides hatton, nobody at 140 brings any money to the table.

147, although it's deep, it ends there in regards to money fights.

So he moves up to 160 and loses. So what? That's what everyone will say. He lost because he moved up two weight divisions to fight a big middleweight that happens to be the undefeated world champ and everyones favorite fighter.

Then he goes down to 154 and picks up titles from that talentless division and look like a king in the process.

If he wins, it would be a HUGE upset and would catapult him into stardom.

It's a win win win situation for him. Yes, 3 wins, not just two. He'll also be making about a million more dollars than he would fighting anyone at 147.



Pavlik's decision to fight williams is the shocking one. This is a huge risk with very little reward.


I'm looking forward to this fight though. Williams is just as tall as pavlik and has a longer reach. With his punch output, it will make things interesting.

[bigdawg]

You mean to tell me that we r going to accept this fight for Pavlik when there is another undefeated champion in the same divison. That's the fight that needs to be made @160. I know that abraham just got done fighting. However the Pavlik/Abraham fight can take place at the end of the year. that could be a potiential fight of the year. As far as Williams is concerned. Why take this fight? There r hella fights @147 that he should want. He can take on the winner of Cotto/Margarito, the winner of the Zab Judah fight and or fight Berto. I mean these r all good fights. This is a no win situation for Pavlik cause if he wins he beat a dude that is 2 weight divisons below him. And for williams he could possibly get ruined and suffer a career ending beat down. I'll Holla 5000

[joony]

i dont think there's much wrong w/ a middleweight champ fighting a welterweight champ (at least a title holder). williams is a tall lanky dude and stylistically he could pose some problems.

if the trend continues, then folks can start bitching, but pavlik seems like the type that would just go by whatever his promoter offers him.

i'd much rather see this fight than a previously talked about matchups against guys like duddy and rubio.

plus, the abraham fight is inevitable for next year anyhow.

[Arben]

You mean to tell me that we r going to accept this fight for Pavlik when there is another undefeated champion in the same divison. That's the fight that needs to be made @160. I know that abraham just got done fighting. However the Pavlik/Abraham fight can take place at the end of the year. that could be a potiential fight of the year. As far as Williams is concerned. Why take this fight? There r hella fights @147 that he should want. He can take on the winner of Cotto/Margarito, the winner of the Zab Judah fight and or fight Berto. I mean these r all good fights. This is a no win situation for Pavlik cause if he wins he beat a dude that is 2 weight divisons below him. And for williams he could possibly get ruined and suffer a career ending beat down. I'll Holla 5000
Everyone knows that the Pavlik-Abraham fight won't happen this year.

Cotto is the only money fight. He, Floyd, and Berto share the same manager.

[bigdawg]

So now we are giving fighters the clearance to take on smaller fighters. That shit is whack and should be accepted. I'll Holla 5000

[LOK]

I don't see how people think this is a bad decision for Williams. He's got virtually nothing at 147lbs. He can't fight floyd. Cotto has been tied up for quite some time now, and if he beats Margarito, he'll be lobbying for a fight with floyd. He can't fight Berto. Besides hatton, nobody at 140 brings any money to the table.

147, although it's deep, it ends there in regards to money fights.

So he moves up to 160 and loses. So what? That's what everyone will say. He lost because he moved up two weight divisions to fight a big middleweight that happens to be the undefeated world champ and everyones favorite fighter.

Then he goes down to 154 and picks up titles from that talentless division and look like a king in the process.

If he wins, it would be a HUGE upset and would catapult him into stardom.

It's a win win win situation for him. Yes, 3 wins, not just two. He'll also be making about a million more dollars than he would fighting anyone at 147.



Pavlik's decision to fight williams is the shocking one. This is a huge risk with very little reward.


I'm looking forward to this fight though. Williams is just as tall as pavlik and has a longer reach. With his punch output, it will make things interesting.

I don't think it's that big a risk really

[*Z*]

Abraham has to fight Marquez next, his mandatory is due. Pavlik will have a fight in the meantime and they will fight after that. I have no doubt that it happens late this year or early next year.

I'd rather Pavlik fight a young giant welterweight than any of the fringe contenders they have mentioned lately.

[steve_dave]

Right, Z. Abraham is NOT available right now for a Pavlik fight.

[LOK]

I'm really suprised at Williams camp for taking this..

IMO this is the first fight in a while.. maybe moreso than even Hatto-Floyd.. where I think one guy (Williams) has NO SHOT at winning

I wouldn't be suprised if this fight only lasts 3 rounds.. I think Pavlik will hurt him with Jabs.

I think Williams is not hard to hit.. and I think he likes to trade.. all of which will be suicide vs Pav..

on top of it.. I think Pav is the better boxer!

[Arben]

I don't think it's that big a risk really
I meant moreso that the fact that besides a payday, this fight does nothing for Pavlik.

I should have worded it better by saying that this fight would be career damaging for Pavlik if he were to lose, while a loss on Williams' record wouldn't mean much considering the circumstances.

[LOK]

I meant moreso that the fact that besides a payday, this fight does nothing for Pavlik.

I should have worded it better by saying that this fight would be career damaging for Pavlik if he were to lose, while a loss on Williams' record wouldn't mean much considering the circumstances.


agreed there..

if Pav loses.. he's done.. or better claim he was sick:lol:

[holler]

I don't see how people think this is a bad decision for Williams.

He might die or take a career ending beatdown! Also, if he tries to bulk up to 160 he's gonna have a hell of a time getting back down to 147 where he is the most effective!

HUGE mistake by Williams IMO. Best case scenario that I can envision is he folds early, doesn't take a sustained beatdown, and gets paid well for it.

[REEDsART]

I meant moreso that the fact that besides a payday, this fight does nothing for Pavlik.

I should have worded it better by saying that this fight would be career damaging for Pavlik if he were to lose, while a loss on Williams' record wouldn't mean much considering the circumstances.
REED'll Take it a Step Fuuuuuuurther...

If Pavlik Doesn't DOMINATE Paul Williams, Bob Arum will have OFFICIALLY KILLED the Momentum & Goodwill Pavlik Built after the 1st Taylor Fight...

Kelly Pavlik is on the Brink of SUPERSTARDOM & will LITERALLY Fight ANYBODY Placed N Front of him, so Now is NOT the Time for his Promoter to Get GUNSHY N Terms of Matchmaking:nono:...This is Teetering on Becoming 1 of Arum's WORST Cases of Promotion EVER...

Even if Pavlik KO's Williams N the 1st Round, it'll B a "So What" Type of Victory...& ANY Degree of "Trouble" Pavlik has w/Williams will Chip AWAY @ his Credibility...

& U're Right, if Pavlik were to LOSE, it'd B 1 of THE Most EMBARASSING Losses N Boxing History...

There's Absolutely NO "Reward" N this Fight for Pavlik...NONE...The ONLY Time U Take a ZERO Reward Fight is if the Opponent is a MANDATORY for your Title...

Paul Williams ISN'T Even That...



REED:kidcool:

[Mitchell Kane]

REED'll Take it a Step Fuuuuuuurther...

If Pavlik Doesn't DOMINATE Paul Williams, Bob Arum will have OFFICIALLY KILLED the Momentum & Goodwill Pavlik Built after the 1st Taylor Fight...

Kelly Pavlik is on the Brink of SUPERSTARDOM & will LITERALLY Fight ANYBODY Placed N Front of him, so Now is NOT the Time for his Promoter to Get GUNSHY N Terms of Matchmaking:nono:...This is Teetering on Becoming 1 of Arum's WORST Cases of Promotion EVER...

Even if Pavlik KO's Williams N the 1st Round, it'll B a "So What" Type of Victory...& ANY Degree of "Trouble" Pavlik has w/Williams will Chip AWAY @ his Credibility...

& U're Right, if Pavlik were to LOSE, it'd B 1 of THE Most EMBARASSING Losses N Boxing History...

There's Absolutely NO "Reward" N this Fight for Pavlik...NONE...The ONLY Time U Take a ZERO Reward Fight is if the Opponent is a MANDATORY for your Title...

Paul Williams ISN'T Even That...



REED:kidcool:

You think it's because Arum's gunshy? I don't necessarily think that's the reason.

A fight against Rubio wasn't going to get Pavlik any attention. Williams would...it'll be a significantly bigger fight for Pavlik than some of the other options, so from a promoter's standpoint, I can see why he's making the fight. Williams has fought on HBO and Showtime...he's got some name recognition, so there will be more press, more coverage, more eyeballs more butts in the seats.

Plus, Williams is a huge welterweight and has fought above that weight so it won't look like a mismatch size-wise.

If Pavlik wins and does so in an entertaining way, then what's the loss from a promotional standpoint?

Frankly, I don't understand it from Goossen's standpoint. He has a good young welterweight champion, who's never been knocked out. If that changes because he fights Pavlik two divisions above where he holds a title, then I think he has some serious questions to answer.

Williams has size and style that could make it interesting for some rounds, but if he tires and if his punch output drops, like it did over the second half against Margarito, Williams could take some real punishment...perhaps career-shortening punishment.

[Double L]

Williams is a better opponent than Marco Antonion Rubio or Sergio Mora who were the other opponents being considered. We should be thankful they didn't sink that low. On the other hand, I'd love to see Pavlik knock Mora out brutally.

[Xplosive]

Williams is a better opponent than Marco Antonion Rubio or Sergio Mora who were the other opponents being considered. We should be thankful they didn't sink that low. On the other hand, I'd love to see Pavlik knock Mora out brutally.

Agreed 100%. I was very much looking forward to Pavlik slaughtering that cunt Mora. I like Paul, and I dont wanna see him get fucked up.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Double - you usually like Mexican fighters, for what reason do you want to see Mora knocked out brutally?

We all hate mora, including me, I just want to know why exactly - is it just the intangibles? :lol:

[panchyprsss]

Pavlik is shamelessly ducking Amin Asikainen
Who?:dunno:

[panchyprsss]

So now we are giving fighters the clearance to take on smaller fighters. That shit is whack and should be accepted. I'll Holla 5000
Is nothing new in boxing. In fact some 'smaller' boxers even struck gold jumping two divsions (Duran & Mosley comes to mind).

[LATIN KING]

this fight is only interesting because Williams is not just another welterweight moving up. He is tall and skilled. Not to mention he is a big name at 147.

But Arum has no excuse to wast Pavlik's year like this.

[KaukipRrr]

Paul Williams started his pro career at middleweight apparently, so I think that's a fair indication that he'll be right, he knows what he's doing, he certainly doesnt lack size for the division, I mean people thought it was absolutely amazing!!.. when lil middleweight Bernard moved up two divisions and beat Tarver, an apparent huge lightheavy.. yet during the staredown people were SHOCKED at the complete lack of size difference between the two?,...how the fuck was that possible?..:boohoo:

[Bob N. Weave]

So now we are giving fighters the clearance to take on smaller fighters. That shit is whack and should be accepted. I'll Holla 5000

Not much difference in size there bro. 1" difference in height and Williams starves his ass off to make welter. Im sure that they walk around close to the same size when no ttraining for a fight.

[mexican wedding shirt]

this fight is only interesting because Williams is not just another welterweight moving up. He is tall and skilled. Not to mention he is a big name at 147.

But Arum has no excuse to wast Pavlik's year like this.

Actually Williams is not particularly skilled. Not unskilled, but not exactly skilled either. He's basically a swarmer, there aren't many facets to his game other than his size, reach, huge workrate and stamina. His success relies on similar attributes to Juan Diaz in that regard, only he is obviously much bigger and taller for his division.

[Tam Tam]

Not much difference in size there bro. 1" difference in height and Williams starves his ass off to make welter. Im sure that they walk around close to the same size when no ttraining for a fight.

I assure you, Kelly Pavlik don't walk around anythin close to what Williams does.

[Arben]

First and foremost, we should give Williams the credit for having the stones to make a jump like this. It's not like he's moving up to face a paper champ, he's moving up to face one of the most feared punchers in boxing.

I can still see Williams being competitive in this fight and am pretty surprised that people think he will get crushed in one round. We're talking about a guy who is 6'2 or so and has a reach as long as Wladimir Klitschko. He should be able to carry the weight easily.


And what's waiting for him at 147 anyway? The only money fight is Cotto and that fight was never close to being discussed, nor will it be. Otherwise, there's nothing for him.

Basically, he can't get a fight at 147, but he can get a huge fight at 160. If he loses, he just loses six pounds and picks up titles at 154. He would also be favored over pretty much anyone at that weight as well.

Personally, I find it to be a brilliant choice by Williams and his team.


EDIT: And how can you not agree with a guy whose entrance music is "Aint no stoppin us now"

[Double L]

Double - you usually like Mexican fighters, for what reason do you want to see Mora knocked out brutally?

We all hate mora, including me, I just want to know why exactly - is it just the intangibles? :lol:

just goes to show how misjudged i am around here - the idea that i'd like a fighter simply because he's Mexican? ridiculous. More might be Mexican American, but he fights like a pussy and I can barely sit through his fights. Fk him. I wanna see him KO'd brutally.

[mexican wedding shirt]

No, not misjudged at all.

You tend to like Mexican fighters, that's just a fact. I never said you like a fighter JUST because he is Mexican.

I am the same, I tend to like Mexican fighters because of their style, guts, heart, chin etc. They are fucking great to watch.

But there are many Mexican fighters I just don't like, including Diaz and Marge.

[REEDsART]

Double - you usually like Mexican fighters, for what reason do you want to see Mora knocked out brutally?

We all hate mora, including me, I just want to know why exactly - is it just the intangibles? :lol:REED Actually LIKES Sergio Mora...

It all Began from Watching him on "The Contender"...Mora's ALOT more "Mental" than Most Boxers...He REEDs, he Saves Meaningful QUOTES & he's WELL SPOKEN...

& REED Likes that....

N the Ring, Mora has an ATHLETIC Core that REED likes N Fighters...HANDSPEED, MOBILITY, Good FOOTWORK, etc...

& Despite his SHITTY KO Ratio, Mora CAN B Offensive Minded when he Wants to B...For MUCH of the 2nd Half of the Forrest Fight, it was Vernon who was Against the Ropes, NOT Mora...

Mora Certainly ISN'T a "Pussy" as Doub Labels him...& he Fights w/an UNDERRATED Level of INTENSITY...

It's NOT like Mora is Cory Spinks or Something...


REED:hammert:

[LOK]

williams will be hurt early.. by maybe even a jab..

Kelly punches pretty heavy and Williams is easy to hit

[Mitchell Kane]

williams will be hurt early.. by maybe even a jab..

Kelly punches pretty heavy and Williams is easy to hit

I wonder if Williams has "keep-away" ability he hasn't shown much of til this point.

Could he fight negatively early like he did late agianst 'garito?

[Arben]

REED Actually LIKES Sergio Mora...

It all Began from Watching him on "The Contender"...Mora's ALOT more "Mental" than Most Boxers...He REEDs, he Saves Meaningful QUOTES & he's WELL SPOKEN...

& REED Likes that....

N the Ring, Mora has an ATHLETIC Core that REED likes N Fighters...HANDSPEED, MOBILITY, Good FOOTWORK, etc...

& Despite his SHITTY KO Ratio, Mora CAN B Offensive Minded when he Wants to B...For MUCH of the 2nd Half of the Forrest Fight, it was Vernon who was Against the Ropes, NOT Mora...

Mora Certainly ISN'T a "Pussy" as Doub Labels him...& he Fights w/an UNDERRATED Level of INTENSITY...

It's NOT like Mora is Cory Spinks or Something...


REED:hammert:
I often compare Mora to Joe Calzaghe. Neither can punch, but their output is fairly high.

I like Mora's attitude, but his fights tend to be a bit boring after a while.

[panchyprsss]

Agreed 100%. I was very much looking forward to Pavlik slaughtering that cunt Mora. I like Paul, and I dont wanna see him get fucked up.
Well, I do want to see it and will enjoy the beating while it lasts.:kidcool:

[Double L]

Mora's a pssy grappling stinker of a fighter. Stink is a function of pussydom. Mora's got a serious surplus of pussydom - hence his grappling boring azz style with which he fights as if he's terrified to get hit.

[REEDsART]

Mora's a pssy grappling stinker of a fighter. Stink is a function of pussydom. Mora's got a serious surplus of pussydom - hence his grappling boring azz style with which he fights as if he's terrified to get hit.

If REED Isn't Mistaken, U're a FAN of Vernon Forrest, Right???...If that's the Case, then Mora is Yet ANOTHER Example of a Fighter U'll ALWAYS Hate, just Cause he BEAT 1 of your Faves...Similar to Ricky Hatton...REED