tim sylvia quote about boxing

[who?]

While not exactly on point about his fight with Fedor, perhaps Sylvia's most interesting remark was that if the money was right, he would like to become a professional boxer.

"I believe I can beat any heavyweight boxer in the world," said Sylvia, a former UFC heavyweight champion who competed in the Octagon for years before moving on to Affliction.


fucking muppet.

[ILLUMINATI]

Some promoter should offer him a few million dollars and get him in the ring against WLADIMIR......just to see what happen....

[who?]

Some promoter should offer him a few million dollars and get him in the ring against WLADIMIR......just to see what happen....

now i am in agreement that the division is cack, but tim sylvia for fucks sake.

[ILLUMINATI]

now i am in agreement that the division is cack, but tim sylvia for fucks sake.

:kick:He would get knock the FUCK OUT....thats the point....

[Mitchell Kane]

I wonder what kind of boxing stamina Tim Sylvia would have. It might be fun to find out.

I can see it now, Sylvia-Arlovski 4...in a boxing ring.

[TFK]

In spite of how the piss poor heavyweight division makes me want to say otherwise, Sylvia is not beating the best heavy's in boxing.

Just like how Klitchko would get destroyed in an MMA fight.


The sports may look similiar, but they are very different.

TFK

[Mitchell Kane]

In spite of how the piss poor heavyweight division makes me want to say otherwise, Sylvia is not beating the best heavy's in boxing.

Just like how Klitchko would get destroyed in an MMA fight.


The sports may look similiar, but they are very different.

TFK

I think for most athletes it'd easier to go from a specialized sport to a broader one than it would be to go from a broader one to a specialized one.

If you're a great boxer/puncher, you can at least bring that into MMA and maybe have a chance of learning some other areas (or least defenses of other styles).

Against elite ground fighters, that may not get you far once it goes there, but you'd still have at one way in which you can win.

There's almost nothing in MMA that you can really bring into boxing to expand upon. Most strikers in MMA still don't have command of the punches that even a moderately skilled boxer has, let alone defense, conditioning, etc. to even compete on a 3rd or 4th tier of the sport.

But there are more journeyman in boxing, on all levels.

[Hitman]

if the money was right??? Tony Thompson just made half a million fighting tonite.... that matches what Lidell made for his rematch with Rampage... and it's over double what Rampage made.

bring it on sylvia, this division may suck but they will all kick your ass

[TFK]

I think for most athletes it'd easier to go from a specialized sport to a broader one than it would be to go from a broader one to a specialized one.

If you're a great boxer/puncher, you can at least bring that into MMA and maybe have a chance of learning some other areas (or least defenses of other styles).

Against elite ground fighters, that may not get you far once it goes there, but you'd still have at one way in which you can win.

There's almost nothing in MMA that you can really bring into boxing to expand upon. Most strikers in MMA still don't have command of the punches that even a moderately skilled boxer has, let alone defense, conditioning, etc. to even compete on a 3rd or 4th tier of the sport.

But there are more journeyman in boxing, on all levels.


Striking in boxing and striking in MMA are so different, that if an athlete from one sport tries to fight in the other without making the necessary changes and adjustments, they're gonna get killed.

If Sylvia went into a boxing match in an MMA stance, throwing punches like he would in an MMA fight, he'd get hit so many times so quick, his head would spin. That being said, if a prime Lennox Lewis went into an MMA fight in a boxing stance, throwing punches like he would in a boxing match, he wouldn't last 30 seconds.

I hate these 'MMA fighter in a boxing match vs Boxer in an MMA fight' arguments, because they're comparing sports that aren't nearly as similiar as most people believe.


TFK

[whiskey]

if the money was right??? Tony Thompson just made half a million fighting tonite.... that matches what Lidell made for his rematch with Rampage... and it's over double what Rampage made.

bring it on sylvia, this division may suck but they will all kick your ass

Thompson is a professional with over 30 fights.

Sure he doesn't have a lot of impressive names on his resume, but i'd bet you at least half of them would beat Sylvia in a boxing match.

I don't think too many promoters would give a guy with no pro experience a half million dollars to box. Especially when you factor in that he wasn't even a draw in MMA.

[Hitman]

Thompson is a professional with over 30 fights.

Sure he doesn't have a lot of impressive names on his resume, but i'd bet you at least half of them would beat Sylvia in a boxing match.

I don't think too many promoters would give a guy with no pro experience a half million dollars to box. Especially when you factor in that he wasn't even a draw in MMA.

well what i mean is, if you really can make it as a heavyweight boxer - do it, the money will be better than what you are making now timmy.

[whiskey]

well what i mean is, if you really can make it as a heavyweight boxer - do it, the money will be better than what you are making now timmy.

Oh well certainly. That's not a secret to anyone, let alone guys who fight in MMA. If they could make the transition to boxing and be successful, just about every one of them would. It comes down to money.

[valdosta]

LOL, Sylvia would get fucking thrashed.

[LOK]

honestly... Tony "the tiger" thompson would destroy Sylvia

[Bob N. Weave]

Nevermind, because Sylvia will be dead after the 19th anyways.

[Hut*Hut]

Striking in boxing and striking in MMA are so different, that if an athlete from one sport tries to fight in the other without making the necessary changes and adjustments, they're gonna get killed.

If Sylvia went into a boxing match in an MMA stance, throwing punches like he would in an MMA fight, he'd get hit so many times so quick, his head would spin. That being said, if a prime Lennox Lewis went into an MMA fight in a boxing stance, throwing punches like he would in a boxing match, he wouldn't last 30 seconds.

I hate these 'MMA fighter in a boxing match vs Boxer in an MMA fight' arguments, because they're comparing sports that aren't nearly as similiar as most people believe.


TFK

this warrants further explanation. how exactly are the punches so different?

[cupey alto]

let him fight Chris Byrd or someone super shot just so he gets a win. Then let him fight someone who's complete garbage, like Derrick Rossy, and finally set him up with power puncher, like David Tua. Should be a fun ride.

Cupey

[Hut*Hut]

let him fight Chris Byrd or someone super shot just so he gets a win. Then let him fight someone who's complete garbage, like Derrick Rossy, and finally set him up with power puncher, like David Tua. Should be a fun ride.

Cupey

Byrd would school the shit out of Sylva in a Marques fight.

[TFK]

Nevermind, because Sylvia will be dead after the 19th anyways.


What is Fedor gonna do, kill him with an armbar?


TFK

[Bob N. Weave]

I dunno choke him to death, GnP to pieces, you pic...

[mexican wedding shirt]

this warrants further explanation. how exactly are the punches so different?

He won't answer you, this is just his stupid reasoning for justifying MMA fighters' crude, basic hand techniques compared to boxing.

[Hut*Hut]

He won't answer you, this is just his stupid reasoning for justifying MMA fighters' crude, basic hand techniques compared to boxing.

thats what I figured.:bears:

[TFK]

He won't answer you, this is just his stupid reasoning for justifying MMA fighters' crude, basic hand techniques compared to boxing.


Didn't see the post, but it's pretty obvious. There are many differences in boxing and MMA standup. From the stance, where in boxing you only have to defend punches, where in an MMA fight, you have to defend punches, kicks, elbows, leg kicks, takedowns, clinches, etc. To stand in a traditional boxing stance will leave you wide open for those. Pretty huge difference right there.

Also, in boxing, because of the size of the gloves, boxers are more able to use their gloves to pick off punches, and they do just that. If a boxer tries to pick off punches with MMA gloves, they're gonna eat a lot of punches.

Because of that, wild haymakers, like the kind Chuck Liddell throws, are more apt to land in an MMA fight then they would in a boxing match, and therefore are an effective weapon in an MMA fight, wherein a boxing match they wouldn't be.

And those are just a few glaring examples. I could go into further detail about clinches, holding and hitting, using the fence, knees, etc, but why bother, I've already proven my point.

The differences are many, and you'd have to be very ignorant to argue that point.


TFK

[Baron]

Didn't see the post, but it's pretty obvious. There are many differences in boxing and MMA standup. From the stance, where in boxing you only have to defend punches, where in an MMA fight, you have to defend punches, kicks, elbows, leg kicks, takedowns, clinches, etc. To stand in a traditional boxing stance will leave you wide open for those. Pretty huge difference right there.

Also, in boxing, because of the size of the gloves, boxers are more able to use their gloves to pick off punches, and they do just that. If a boxer tries to pick off punches with MMA gloves, they're gonna eat a lot of punches.

Because of that, wild haymakers, like the kind Chuck Liddell throws, are more apt to land in an MMA fight then they would in a boxing match, and therefore are an effective weapon in an MMA fight, wherein a boxing match they wouldn't be.

And those are just a few glaring examples. I could go into further detail about clinches, holding and hitting, using the fence, knees, etc, but why bother, I've already proven my point.

The differences are many, and you'd have to be very ignorant to argue that point.


TFKA punch is a punch though, and proficient boxers know exactly how yo put their weight behind a short accurate punch. No matter what you have to defend against, this type of punch would be very successfull in MMA.

[TFK]

A punch is a punch though, and proficient boxers know exactly how yo put their weight behind a short accurate punch. No matter what you have to defend against, this type of punch would be very successfull in MMA.



That's just like saying 'a ball is a ball', so a baseball center fielder should be a good wide receiver in football, because catching a ball is catching a ball.


TFK

[Baron]

That's just like saying 'a ball is a ball', so a baseball center fielder should be a good wide receiver in football, because catching a ball is catching a ball.


TFK

Yeah, if you're dumb enough to believe baseball and football are as close as boxing and mma, that would make sense... :notallthere:

[Mitchell Kane]

Didn't see the post, but it's pretty obvious. There are many differences in boxing and MMA standup. From the stance, where in boxing you only have to defend punches, where in an MMA fight, you have to defend punches, kicks, elbows, leg kicks, takedowns, clinches, etc. To stand in a traditional boxing stance will leave you wide open for those. Pretty huge difference right there.

Also, in boxing, because of the size of the gloves, boxers are more able to use their gloves to pick off punches, and they do just that. If a boxer tries to pick off punches with MMA gloves, they're gonna eat a lot of punches.

Because of that, wild haymakers, like the kind Chuck Liddell throws, are more apt to land in an MMA fight then they would in a boxing match, and therefore are an effective weapon in an MMA fight, wherein a boxing match they wouldn't be.

And those are just a few glaring examples. I could go into further detail about clinches, holding and hitting, using the fence, knees, etc, but why bother, I've already proven my point.

The differences are many, and you'd have to be very ignorant to argue that point.


TFK

Every athlete in MMA that began in a single discipline - whether it's wrestling, boxing or whatever - has to learn certain things in transitioning to MMA. If we're talking about a boxer making a serious attempt to do MMA full time - for example, like what Kimbo is doing - then, depending on the individual, I think the boxer might be able to adapt his boxing techniques to MMA.

I do think there's certain boxing styles and body types that would do better in MMA than others, "punchers" over "boxers", shorter/stalkier over taller/leaner (more of a wrestling body type), might do better.

But every MMA fight starts on their feet, and often with some sort of boxing/striking/kicking going on.

Speaking of smaller gloves, you don't think a boxer would get respect wearing those smaller gloves? Look at how respectful Liddell - considered a good striker - was of Jackson's striking ability. It completely took him out of his game.

Also, it's not like every MMA athlete is good in those areas you discuss like striking, kicking, submissions...there's varying degrees of effectiveness, so the individual match-ups would matter.

If we're just talking about an athlete in one discipline having a chance of adapting, my original point is simply that a boxer would have something to adapt/expand on because there is some boxing in MMA. The reverse doesn't work, MMA striking isn't applicable to boxing. The strikers in that sport, unless with some boxing training (like amateur experience), would struggle in boxing...except on perhaps a very rare occasion.

[Azazel]

TFK example is ridiculous, go train in a MMA gym and they teach you boxing, they even make you spar just like in a boxing gym and with the exact same gloves too, and many MMA atheletes trains their standup skills with boxers or boxing trainers

[joony]

what a bold statement from a guy who got clocked in the opening seconds against a 40 some year old couture and got thorougly outboxed.

[TFK]

If we're just talking about an athlete in one discipline having a chance of adapting, my original point is simply that a boxer would have something to adapt/expand on because there is some boxing in MMA. The reverse doesn't work, MMA striking isn't applicable to boxing. The strikers in that sport, unless with some boxing training (like amateur experience), would struggle in boxing...except on perhaps a very rare occasion.


I think the opposite. An MMA fighter going into a boxing match would only have to adapt his striking, whereas a boxer going into an MMA match would have to learn takedowns, submissions, kicks, knees, clinches, defense, etc, etc.


TFK

[Tam Tam]

The sheer volume of responses to this thread say all you need to know about what MMA is becoming. HUGE.

[Mitchell Kane]

I think the opposite. An MMA fighter going into a boxing match would only have to adapt his striking, whereas a boxer going into an MMA match would have to learn takedowns, submissions, kicks, knees, clinches, defense, etc, etc.


TFK

Yeah, but in boxing the ways to win a fight are far more limited and it's athletes are far more refined in the ways of doing it. In MMA, again, not every athlete is a BJJ black belt or former wrestling All-American/Olympian or an elite kickboxer, and they may be great in certain areas but vulnerable to others. That's part of the intrigue with the sport and it's match-ups. Many started with one disicipline and are learning/improving other areas.

It would take most MMA athletes a long time of training just to compete on the elite amateur (olympic) level of the sport...and that's with headgear and four rounders.

It's not just striking. It's having proper punching technique and setting punches up and defending yourself and being able to do it for 3 minutes a round for 4-8-10-12 rounds at a time and being able to hold your arms up for that period of time. It's about being able to take a punch.

Most boxers that don't have those pre-requisites often don't even make it past the four round level in boxing or journeyman status.

Boxers may not be great in all those areas, but the best boxers that aren't well rounded at least excel in other areas and can compensate for their deficiencies enough to still compete.

[Hanz]

The sheer volume of responses to this thread say all you need to know about what MMA is becoming. HUGE.

Nah, it's because most members on here are bored to death and need something to argue about.

[BigJohn619]

Nah, it's because most members on here are bored to death and need something to argue about.

:bears: