Chavez Jr. to retire?

[Hex-One]

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Chavez Jr. to retire?
By Jose Reyes
After Julio Cesar Chavez Jr's controversial split decision win over Matt Vanda on Saturday night, Junior dropped the bombshell that he's considering hanging up his gloves for good. "The people wanted me to score a knockout but I could not," Chavez Jr. told TV AZTECA. "The people are very, very discontented with the result (this as Julio Sr is being booed when trying to calm down the crowd) and what can I tell you? What can I tell you as a fighter? Everything is just very sad....because of the fight....I don't know what to do. I don't know what I will do. I need to think about it real hard. I am considering retirement.":lol:

[His_Royness]

Got this via fightnews. Thoughts?

Chavez Jr. to retire?
By Jose Reyes
After Julio Cesar Chavez Jr's controversial split decision win over Matt Vanda on Saturday night, Junior dropped the bombshell that he's considering hanging up his gloves for good. "The people wanted me to score a knockout but I could not," Chavez Jr. told TV AZTECA. "The people are very, very discontented with the result (this as Julio Sr is being booed when trying to calm down the crowd) and what can I tell you? What can I tell you as a fighter? Everything is just very sad....because of the fight....I don't know what to do. I don't know what I will do. I need to think about it real hard. I am considering retirement.":lol:




Oh nooo NOOOO... he can't retire without stepping up and getting a proper beating... NOOO BOOO!!! :nono:

[Mitchell Kane]

He had a great career.

[*Z*]

Chavez Jr is worse than I thought. He couldn't even clearly beat Matt Vanda. lol Not only that but he's going to retire over it. What a disgrace.

[REEDsART]

Good Riddance...


REED:mj:

[Hex-One]

Oh nooo NOOOO... he can't retire without stepping up and getting a proper beating... NOOO BOOO!!! :nono:
My thought exactly!:lol:

[Nobleart]

He had a great career.


Yup, another great fighter retires undefeated.


He joins the likes of Rocky Marciano, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Paul Spadafora.

:bears:

[ElTerriblee]

Yup, another great fighter retires undefeated.


He joins the likes of Rocky Marciano, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Paul Spadafora.

:bears:

Real champs like Ricardo Lopez, Paul Spadafora and Chavez Jr. have at least one draw on their record, that shows how tough their opposition truly was. :bears:

[panchyprsss]

He has made plenty of money already just facing bums and build an undefeated record. Why blew all that by facing a real contender or, worst yet, a division title holder that will beat his ass? Smart kid.

[Hex-One]

He has made plenty of money already just facing bums and build an undefeated record. Why blew all that by facing a real contender or, worst yet, a division title holder that will beat his ass? Smart kid. I guess your right, if he does retire he's smart. Why get your ass handed to you if you already got money.

[mexican wedding shirt]

He had a great career.

:lol: :lol:

I don't like Chavez Jr at all. I'll be disappointed if he retired before receiving a good old fashioned beating.

[Hanz]

Jake's pussy little hero is gonna retire.:lol: Hey Jake, I thought your pussy hero was gonna "KO all of Hanzy's favourite fighters"?
I told you he was a manufactured joke. This fight proved it. And if he ever dares to step up, he'll die.
He better retire if he knows what's good for him. F*ckin' phoney!

[Hanz]

I guess your right, if he does retire he's smart. Why get your ass handed to you if you already got money.

He's disgraced the Chavez name. Mexican warriors don't f*ckin' fight and take easy matches just for money. Look at his old man. A legend. His son is a sham! He wants to quit because he doesn't like the fact that little men are hitting back. And he hasn't even faced a quality opponent yet. LOL!

[mikE]

He was beating Vanda clearly until he started getting tired for no apparent reason. He claims he was sick. It makes sense.

So suck it, you haters.

[Hanz]

He was beating Vanda clearly until he started getting tired for no apparent reason. He claims he was sick. It makes sense.

So suck it, you haters.

His career is going nowhere.

[Hex-One]

His career is going nowhere. I agree. It was only a matter of time until he got his ass handed to him.

[Hanz]

Nobody takes this many years and this many fights to step up against even a remotely decent opponent which he still hasn't done. 5 years and he's still feeding off handpicked opposition. This has done him a lot more harm than good IMO.
He's struggling this badly and against who? They've overprotected the guy and f*cked up his career. His stamina and his confidence is not elite level nor will it be. He's finished!

[dsimon3387]

dsimon writes:

Mike speaketh the truth. The kid will see that its part of his development, he won the fight and he will continue to beat ass.

War Junior!!!!

[LATIN KING]

I think it's fucked up the way the crowd reacted.

I didn't watch the fight but even if Chavez Jr. got a gift. Why throw shit at the ring?

Chavez Sr. went up to the ring to calm the crowd and they still didn't respect him. If i'm not mistaken it was Chavez Sr's birthday :lol:

fucking assholes don't respect anybody or anything.

[KaukipRrr]

I think he should step it down a bit, he should fight opponents with 3 - 18 - 4 records, I mean his father didn't step it up until he had 97 fights?.. ofcourse he was EXPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSED by Pernell eventually, but he still managed to fool the Mexican crowds til this day, whats the rush?..

[mikE]

The crowd wasn't booing who won. They were booing a 100-90 card that bordered on impossible. And it decided the winner.

Even Eugenia would have scored it 99-91.

[LOK]

I do think he should just take it down a notch..

fight some bums..

if I was his manager I'd find him some real real bums.. but I'd hype them up and create stories about how they did hard time and were boxing champs in prison..

then Jr could steam roll them

after he got like 50 wins and 46 ko's I'd have him retire

[Hex-One]

I do think he should just take it down a notch..

fight some bums..

if I was his manager I'd find him some real real bums.. but I'd hype them up and create stories about how they did hard time and were boxing champs in prison..

then Jr could steam roll them

after he got like 50 wins and 46 ko's I'd have him retire Down a notch? Any lower and he would be fighting corpses! WTF!:notallthere:

[LATIN KING]

The crowd wasn't booing who won. They were booing a 100-90 card that bordered on impossible. And it decided the winner.

Even Eugenia would have scored it 99-91.yeah but the fight took place in Sinaloa, Mexico where Chavez Sr. is from they should at least respect that.


Inmagine people throwing shit at Ali at a fight in Louiville, Kentucky :nono:

[Barristan]

yeah but the fight took place in Sinaloa, Mexico where Chavez Sr. is from they should at least respect that.


Inmagine people throwing shit at Ali at a fight in Louiville, Kentucky :nono:

Good point...The crowd was pretty fucked up to do what they did. Alcohol was definitely a factor.

[Mitchell Kane]

I think the crowd booed his draw as well.

Mexican fans are loyal, but they aren't always right in line with their favorite fighters if the scorecards are questionable.

That scorecard deserved to be booed.

Maybe not the decision, though.

Junior might not understand that.

[Hanz]

I think the crowd booed his draw as well.

Mexican fans are loyal, but they aren't always right in line with their favorite fighters if the scorecards are questionable.

That scorecard deserved to be booed.

Maybe not the decision, though.

Junior might not understand that.

Mexican fans care more about integrity and fairness than anything else. Only now are they recognizing their own Chavez Jr for what I always said he was; a product of marketing, a manufactured hype job, a handpicking chump.
They know he's a protected fighter. This chump hasn't stepped up the competition even after all this time, padding his joke of a record with nobody after nobody.

[Hanz]

Good point...The crowd was pretty fucked up to do what they did. Alcohol was definitely a factor.

They could've done worse. Like throw broken glass bottles and get Chavez sr in the eye.

[joony]

at least hector jr. had some talent taken over by his eating habits.

chavez jr. just isnt exceptionally fast, nor does he have much power. sucks for him. i guess he's better off fighting bums on top rank undercards until his mid 20s.

[Mitchell Kane]

Mexican fans care more about integrity and fairness than anything else. Only now are they recognizing their own Chavez Jr for what I always said he was; a product of marketing, a manufactured hype job, a handpicking chump.
They know he's a protected fighter. This chump hasn't stepped up the competition even after all this time, padding his joke of a record with nobody after nobody.

You think they realized all that last Saturday?

Come on. They support him because he's the son of one of their national legends and by and large will still support him afterwards.

But that doesn't mean they won't voice their opinion on a corrupt scorecard in his favor.

BTW, for 22 years old, I don't think guys like Celaya, Sanchez and Vanda are all that bad of opposition.

It ain't great if he stops there, but for this moment in his young career (if it is sitll young), frankly it's a significant step over where he was entering last year.

[Hex-One]

at least hector jr. had some talent taken over by his eating habits.

chavez jr. just isnt exceptionally fast, nor does he have much power. sucks for him. i guess he's better off fighting bums on top rank undercards until his mid 20s.
Agreed!

[panchyprsss]

I think he should step it down a bit, he should fight opponents with 3 - 18 - 4 records, I mean his father didn't step it up until he had 97 fights?.. ofcourse he was EXPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSED by Pernell eventually, but he still managed to fool the Mexican crowds til this day, whats the rush?..
At least Chavez Sr. was fighting top ten contenders while in his twentysomething fights and won a title in his 30th bout. Junior has 37 bouts and has not faced a top ten fighter yet!

[panchyprsss]

Lets compare Chavez Jr. & Miguel Cotto. Both started pretty much around the same time. Junior has a record of 37-0 (29 KOs) and has faced nobody worth mentioning. Cotto has a record of 32-0 (26 KO's) has won titles in two divisions and has faced elite opposition. Does Junior needs any more tune-ups until he steps up? Oh, I forgot, he is retiring...:lol:

[Mitchell Kane]

Lets compare Chavez Jr. & Miguel Cotto. Both started pretty much around the same time. Junior has a record of 37-0 (29 KOs) and has faced nobody worth mentioning. Cotto has a record of 32-0 (26 KO's) has won titles in two divisions and has faced elite opposition. Does Junior needs any more tune-ups until he steps up? Oh, I forgot, he is retiring...:lol:

Yeah, Junior fought in the Olympics, though, while Cotto turned pro without much amateur experience...so it's hard to compare the two like that.

[steve_dave]

Yeah, Junior fought in the Olympics, though, while Cotto turned pro without much amateur experience...so it's hard to compare the two like that.

Other way around on the names, but that's exactly right.

[Mitchell Kane]

Other way around on the names, but that's exactly right.

I was being obvious in my sarcasm.

[panchyprsss]

I was being obvious in my sarcasm.
So what? We are talking about pro-boxing here. How many amateur fights Randall Tex Cobb had? Zero. Yet he fought Larry Holmes and Earnie Shavers among others. Junior had a few 'exhibition' fights before he turned pro. On his first 'exhibition' bout, on the same 'card' his sister fought too. She was a bloody mess btw.:laughing:

[LOK]

Down a notch? Any lower and he would be fighting corpses! WTF!:notallthere:


come on.. he could go WAYYY lower :lol:

[Hex-One]

come on.. he could go WAYYY lower :lol::lol:

[Jake]

at least hector jr. had some talent taken over by his eating habits.

chavez jr. just isnt exceptionally fast, nor does he have much power. sucks for him. i guess he's better off fighting bums on top rank undercards until his mid 20s.
partially true - his lack of heart was his greater achilles heel, though. In fact I'll even argue that it contributed to his poor training habits.

Chavez Jr, on the other hand, is clearly hurting his own progress by not training very hard, if even at all. Arum kind of deserves what he gets for milking the kid's name and keeping him tucked away in Mexico, but the truth is that it's not helping Julio one bit.

People refuse to admit, but his skills were at least developing even while feasting on Midwestern's finest through his first 4 years as a pro. Now putting him in a situation where he believes every fight is a gimme doesn't do him any good, in fact is literally hurting his career.

[Hanz]

partially true - his lack of heart was his greater achilles heel, though. In fact I'll even argue that it contributed to his poor training habits.

Chavez Jr, on the other hand, is clearly hurting his own progress by not training very hard, if even at all. Arum kind of deserves what he gets for milking the kid's name and keeping him tucked away in Mexico, but the truth is that it's not helping Julio one bit.

People refuse to admit, but his skills were at least developing even while feasting on Midwestern's finest through his first 4 years as a pro. Now putting him in a situation where he believes every fight is a gimme doesn't do him any good, in fact is literally hurting his career.

So then why were you defending him so much when I was stating the same sh*t a year back? Look at your sig. Only now are you figuring out the obvious. We know the kid is a manufactured joke and he's NEVER going to fight let alone beat a real legitimate fighter.
But you were so quick to defend his phony ass, saying he's gonna beat my favourite fighters.:lol:
Sh*t's blowing up in your face now eh, Jake? I guess you were also quick to jump on the Dominick Guinn bandwagon 5 years back like a lot of other members.

[Jake]

Hanz, first off, what fighters TODAY do you like? I've never once heard you talk favorably about any active fighter, so once you establish that, I'll offer a more detailed response to your usual gibberish.

[Hanz]

Hanz, first off, what fighters TODAY do you like? I've never once heard you talk favorably about any active fighter, so once you establish that, I'll offer a more detailed response to your usual gibberish.

That wasn't really relevant to the subject. Our argument was about Chavez Jr's opposition and his wins over mediocrity. Some people thought he had the goods, others thought he was a hype job living off his old man's name and fighting nobodies who were alot smaller and weaker than he was. Those who thought he was special are the ones desperately looking for a new young face to make an impact in a flagging sport who fail to see reality. Those Chavez Jr fans were the same ones who looked at Dominick Guinn as the saviour of the heavyweight division 5 years ago when nobody else came up. They looked at Guinn's so-called technical excellence, his speed, his power and thought he was THE ONE. They looked at Chavez Jr the same way.
What they didn't realize is that anybody can look good on a punching bag or against a dead opponent who offers no resistance. That was the case with these two.
As for my favourite fighters, we have to talk about fighters who fight anybody, true warriors. Warriors like Morales and Barrera and Marquez and Pacquiao, guys who come to fight and not pad their records against easy safe opposition.
Chavez Jr may have a famous surname but he's no warrior. Warriors are born, not made. This kid is no warrior, he's just a baby, spoonfed and hyped for the sake of making money and ripping off the public. We get a lot of those in boxing.

[ElTerriblee]

partially true - his lack of heart was his greater achilles heel, though. In fact I'll even argue that it contributed to his poor training habits.

Chavez Jr, on the other hand, is clearly hurting his own progress by not training very hard, if even at all. Arum kind of deserves what he gets for milking the kid's name and keeping him tucked away in Mexico, but the truth is that it's not helping Julio one bit.

People refuse to admit, but his skills were at least developing even while feasting on Midwestern's finest through his first 4 years as a pro. Now putting him in a situation where he believes every fight is a gimme doesn't do him any good, in fact is literally hurting his career.

Depends what you expect. I feel he is matched appropiately for his amateur experience, age, skill. The problem is that he fails to beat these opponents more impressively like a blue chip prospect would do. His offense ain´t that bad, many of his punches look hurtful, technically sound. It´s his atrocious defense and disregard for improvement in that department, that will get him stopped on accumulation over 12 rounds.

[Hanz]

Depends what you expect. I feel he is matched appropiately for his amateur experience, age, skill. The problem is that he fails to beat these opponents more impressively like a blue chip prospect would do. His offense ain´t that bad, many of his punches look hurtful, technically sound. It´s his atrocious defense and disregard for improvement in that department, that will get him stopped on accumulation over 12 rounds.

He hasn't fought anybody worth a damn. Let him step up to Antonio Margarito or Paul Williams. The kid will die!

[Jake]

Depends what you expect. I feel he is matched appropiately for his amateur experience, age, skill. The problem is that he fails to beat these opponents more impressively like a blue chip prospect would do. His offense ain´t that bad, many of his punches look hurtful, technically sound. It´s his atrocious defense and disregard for improvement in that department, that will get him stopped on accumulation over 12 rounds.
I agree that up to and including the Sanchez fight, he was matched appropriately. But he's all but taking the year off - there's no reason for his comp to have levelled off. Matching him tougher will either force him to train harder or find a new job. Everyone telling him that it's another fight against a usual suspect doesn't do anything for him, and I've been very critical of his progress, or lack thereof, this year.

But I agree, his defense is going to hurt him in the long run, in fact already hurting him now.

[Hanz]

I agree that up to and including the Sanchez fight, he was matched appropriately. But he's all but taking the year off - there's no reason for his comp to have levelled off. Matching him tougher will either force him to train harder or find a new job. Everyone telling him that it's another fight against a usual suspect doesn't do anything for him, and I've been very critical of his progress, or lack thereof, this year.

But I agree, his defense is going to hurt him in the long run, in fact already hurting him now.

If his last name wasn't Chavez, you would've dragged his name through the dirt and washed your hands of him completely.
Keep that sig up though. It's going to make it all the sweeter when Jr gets murdered! And another so-called saviour of boxing bites the dust!

[Jake]

That wasn't really relevant to the subject. Our argument was about Chavez Jr's opposition and his wins over mediocrity. Some people thought he had the goods, others thought he was a hype job living off his old man's name and fighting nobodies who were alot smaller and weaker than he was. Those who thought he was special are the ones desperately looking for a new young face to make an impact in a flagging sport who fail to see reality. Those Chavez Jr fans were the same ones who looked at Dominick Guinn as the saviour of the heavyweight division 5 years ago when nobody else came up. They looked at Guinn's so-called technical excellence, his speed, his power and thought he was THE ONE. They looked at Chavez Jr the same way.
What they didn't realize is that anybody can look good on a punching bag or against a dead opponent who offers no resistance. That was the case with these two.
As for my favourite fighters, we have to talk about fighters who fight anybody, true warriors. Warriors like Morales and Barrera and Marquez and Pacquiao, guys who come to fight and not pad their records against easy safe opposition.
Chavez Jr may have a famous surname but he's no warrior. Warriors are born, not made. This kid is no warrior, he's just a baby, spoonfed and hyped for the sake of making money and ripping off the public. We get a lot of those in boxing.
My argument has always been that we need to separate the fighter from his surname. In most circles, he never stood a chance from jump - the moment he turned pro, everyone expected him to be his father and seem to take great joy in the fact that he's not and most likely will never be.

I instead opted to see him for who he was - a fighter with no amateur experience - and gauged his skills accordingly. From there, he made great strides, only once again, nobody wanted to recognize it because it's Julio Jr and Top Rank has little desire beyond milking his popularity down to the very last drop.

As noted in the post prior to this one (replying to El Terriblee), this year has been a letdown. Not only has his opposition level hit a wall, but he looks softer and softer in each fight as if his training camp begins and ends with merely making weight (which he hasn't even achieved with much success in his past few fights).

I've never denied that his career is a sideshow, but at the same time still contend that in a proper environment he can actually grow into a real fighter. Not the second coming of his father, but someone that can eventually fuck around and win a belt or two.

I don't know what Dominick Guinn has to do with any of this. People liked him for completely different reasons, not to mention that he had over 300 amatuer fights.

[ElTerriblee]

I agree that up to and including the Sanchez fight, he was matched appropriately. But he's all but taking the year off - there's no reason for his comp to have levelled off. Matching him tougher will either force him to train harder or find a new job. Everyone telling him that it's another fight against a usual suspect doesn't do anything for him, and I've been very critical of his progress, or lack thereof, this year.

But I agree, his defense is going to hurt him in the long run, in fact already hurting him now.

I´m sure Arum has no interest to put Chavez Jr. into a situation, where he has to choose between training harder and finding another job. At least not until he is 60-0-1. :lol:

If Chavez wants Arum to match him tougher and step up his competition, he´ll have to show him, that he can handle the Matt Vanda´s of the world. So it is all up to Chavez Jr. If his mentality is to cruise along, Arum won´t stop him for a while, some opponent might though.

[Jake]

I´m sure Arum has no interest to put Chavez Jr. into a situation, where he has to choose between training harder and finding another job. At least not until he is 60-0-1. :lol:

If Chavez wants Arum to match him tougher and step up his competition, he´ll have to show him, that he can handle the Matt Vanda´s of the world. So it is all up to Chavez Jr. If his mentality is to cruise along, Arum won´t stop him for a while, some opponent might though.
I agree except its kind of the chicken vs. the egg debate. I thought Arum fucked up by not having him fight Gomez or Baldomir as originally planned. Saving Gomez for Cotto was pointless, as there were plenty of other welterweights Miguel could've beat on while awaiting a Margarito fight. Had Chavez Jr. faced either one of them, he'd have either been exposed, or he wins and bleeding vaginas like Hanzy would've had a little less to bitch about

[Hanz]

I agree except its kind of the chicken vs. the egg debate. I thought Arum fucked up by not having him fight Gomez or Baldomir as originally planned. Saving Gomez for Cotto was pointless, as there were plenty of other welterweights Miguel could've beat on while awaiting a Margarito fight. Had Chavez Jr. faced either one of them, he'd have either been exposed, or he wins and bleeding vaginas like Hanzy would've had a little less to bitch about

:lol: If Jr really wanted those fights, those fights would've been made. It's a joint decision by Jr, his old man and Arum that he continues this piece of sh*t path of joke opposition. And now his stock is dropping even more and he hasn't even stepped up yet. Who the hell is Matt Vanda?

[TysonFan4Ever]

Even Chavez Sr. is a bit overrated and I think Mexican fans aren't the type to be snowed over. Mexican fight fans have guys like Barrera, Morrales, and the Marquez brothers who are legitimate great talents, so they don't need some punk rich kid with a famous dad to hang their hats on.

[LOK]

man.. I'd like to be a manager.. I'd find him some real stiffs..

I could go to a "mexican corner" where guys stand to get work.. handyman type stuff..

I'd get a couple and give them good names like "The Tijuana Terror" and I'd say how this guy lost his whole family and came here with nothing and how when he was a kid he used to steal from Chavez sr and jr now wants revenge

I'd dress him up and make him look real tough.. have him talk trash.. I'd really get the media worked up

then Chavez jr would startch him in 1 round

I'd do this like 35 times in a row and people would thing Jr was the baddest man around!!:hammert:

[Hanz]

man.. I'd like to be a manager.. I'd find him some real stiffs..

I could go to a "mexican corner" where guys stand to get work.. handyman type stuff..

I'd get a couple and give them good names like "The Tijuana Terror" and I'd say how this guy lost his whole family and came here with nothing and how when he was a kid he used to steal from Chavez sr and jr now wants revenge

I'd dress him up and make him look real tough.. have him talk trash.. I'd really get the media worked up

then Chavez jr would startch him in 1 round

I'd do this like 35 times in a row and people would thing Jr was the baddest man around!!:hammert:
Brilliant! That's the way to do it!:bears:

[Mitchell Kane]

at least hector jr. had some talent taken over by his eating habits.

chavez jr. just isnt exceptionally fast, nor does he have much power. sucks for him. i guess he's better off fighting bums on top rank undercards until his mid 20s.

Speaking of Camachita Jr., wasn't he being talked about as an opponent for JCC Jr. later this year?

JCC Jr. could at least wait until after he knocks him out to retire.

[Caligula II]

Put him in there with Ricardo Mayorga.

If his skills aren't good enough to get by Mayorga:

1) He doesn't need to continue boxing
2)He'll get brutally KO'd

So if he wins, he moves on. If he loses, consider him retired and KTFO.

[mexican wedding shirt]

He wouldn't stand a chance against Mayorga, pretty much none whatsoever.

[mikE]

I agree except its kind of the chicken vs. the egg debate. I thought Arum fucked up by not having him fight Gomez or Baldomir as originally planned. Saving Gomez for Cotto was pointless, as there were plenty of other welterweights Miguel could've beat on while awaiting a Margarito fight. Had Chavez Jr. faced either one of them, he'd have either been exposed, or he wins and bleeding vaginas like Hanzy would've had a little less to bitch about

Everyone would have picked Chavez over Gomez and Baldomir. I still would.

[mikE]

Even Chavez Sr. is a bit overrated and I think Mexican fans aren't the type to be snowed over. Mexican fight fans have guys like Barrera, Morrales, and the Marquez brothers who are legitimate great talents, so they don't need some punk rich kid with a famous dad to hang their hats on.

Funny you mention Barrera, Morrales, and Marquez...three fighters who will not and should not and are not rated higher than Chavez Sr historically, ability, career, etc..

[mexican wedding shirt]

Everyone would have picked Chavez over Gomez and Baldomir. I still would.

The way he destroyed the legendary Matt Vanda, and the other italian guy, does this re-enforce your opinion that Chavez would beat Baldomir and Gomez?

[steve_dave]

I was being obvious in my sarcasm.

:lol: Should have figured, sorry.

[mikE]

The way he destroyed the legendary Matt Vanda, and the other italian guy, does this re-enforce your opinion that Chavez would beat Baldomir and Gomez?

I've seen too many fights of all of them to write Chavez off because of a fight in which he claims he was sick and he fought as if he was sick.

I wouldn't bet the house, but 20 bucks or so straight up? Definitely.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Was he sick when he fought the italian guy too? Because he didn't look much better there.

The thing with chav jr is, with over 30 fights under his belt, I thought he would be a lot better than he is now. He doesn't look much better than when he'd only had 5 fights.

[Mitchell Kane]

Fatman Scoopless:

Junior middleweight Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (37-0-1, 29 KOs), pushed to the brink in a tough split-decision win against Matt Vanda (38-7, 21 KOs) July 12 in Mexico, will face him in a rematch. Top Rank promoter Bob Arum said he's planning it for Oct. 25 in Mexico and that the fight would be on U.S. pay-per-view. Arum added that junior lightweight contender Humberto Soto would fight on the undercard unless he winds up facing Manny Pacquiao in the fall.

[dsimon3387]

Was he sick when he fought the italian guy too? Because he didn't look much better there.

The thing with chav jr is, with over 30 fights under his belt, I thought he would be a lot better than he is now. He doesn't look much better than when he'd only had 5 fights.

dsimon writes:

This is true. I think there is a lot going on here though:

1) The kid is young and he has not been in a program like the olympics. So the thing is he is living his life as a kid and still growing up and training as a fighter.

Did it occur to anyone that maybe he is the way he is because of these other issues? Maybe nobody wants to push him hard yet. And why the fuck should they? To satisfy the idiots like Hanzy? I mean really, who says it is written in stone that a kid this age has to be pushed into a gruelling fight regime?

2) The kid is showcased at times.... And Chavez deserves that respect. His old man was the shit and so his kid gets a little more attention.... Why the fuck not? Chavez gave to boxing let his kid have a chance.

3) Its true the kid is floundering. But the hate he inspires is unsettling. He is by all acounts a mild mannered 20 something year old who has some skills and like most kids is a bit inconsistant. You would think that people are giving him the key to the city the way people complain. He is not a talentless bum he is a young fighter who is not being pushed on right now.

[atomicdOGg34]

Got this via fightnews. Thoughts?

Chavez Jr. to retire?
By Jose Reyes
After Julio Cesar Chavez Jr's controversial split decision win over Matt Vanda on Saturday night, Junior dropped the bombshell that he's considering hanging up his gloves for good. "The people wanted me to score a knockout but I could not," Chavez Jr. told TV AZTECA. "The people are very, very discontented with the result (this as Julio Sr is being booed when trying to calm down the crowd) and what can I tell you? What can I tell you as a fighter? Everything is just very sad....because of the fight....I don't know what to do. I don't know what I will do. I need to think about it real hard. I am considering retirement.":lol:

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[Haymaker]

dsimon writes:

This is true. I think there is a lot going on here though:

1) The kid is young and he has not been in a program like the olympics. So the thing is he is living his life as a kid and still growing up and training as a fighter.

Did it occur to anyone that maybe he is the way he is because of these other issues? Maybe nobody wants to push him hard yet. And why the fuck should they? To satisfy the idiots like Hanzy? I mean really, who says it is written in stone that a kid this age has to be pushed into a gruelling fight regime?

2) The kid is showcased at times.... And Chavez deserves that respect. His old man was the shit and so his kid gets a little more attention.... Why the fuck not? Chavez gave to boxing let his kid have a chance.

3) Its true the kid is floundering. But the hate he inspires is unsettling. He is by all acounts a mild mannered 20 something year old who has some skills and like most kids is a bit inconsistant. You would think that people are giving him the key to the city the way people complain. He is not a talentless bum he is a young fighter who is not being pushed on right now.

I wouldn't bother if the kid fought on free TV. I mean, he's fighting bums on ppv, and he's not exciting at all.

[dsimon3387]

I wouldn't bother if the kid fought on free TV. I mean, he's fighting bums on ppv, and he's not exciting at all.

dsimon writes:

Come on H.... lets look at the undercard for Margarito Cotto for example.... Its not like Chavez is a major drop in quality compared to what you usually get.

I mean the lawn jockeys that make my wife look like a heavyweight, :doh: she tips the scales at 110 Btw, is Chavez really such a drop in quality compared? The truth is that the promoters usually have shitty undercards and Chavez is not an abomination in this regard.

Also: Junior does a special service to tatto artists all across america as he drops the tomatoe cans he faces, they lie there and expose their tatoos for all to see! If not junior who will beat up the rednecks rom the midwest who are painted toe to chin?