Reminder: Hasim Rahman-James Toney II on Wednesday night

[Mitchell Kane]

On Fox Sports Net.

Not sure anyone wanted to be reminded of it, but there it is.

I may wait for the weigh-in results to decide if I'm actually going to watch this thing.

[steve_dave]

Watched some Toney sparing and he looks sharp.

[Mitchell Kane]

Watched some Toney sparing and he looks sharp.

Really?

Maybe we're looking at positive test #3 for Toney.:lol:

[ElTerriblee]

Watched some Toney sparing and he looks sharp.

Yeah, that´s what Dougie said, because he was afaraid that Toney would snap, if he told the truth. He´s still not in shape, but Rahman is so washed-up, he might beat him. It will be an epic bout, the american equivalent to Sam vs. Vidoz.

[Hanz]

I'll have to watch this one. Not many good fights out there in the division anyway. I hope both fighters can at least look semi-decent in there.

[mikE]

Yeah, that´s what Dougie said, because he was afaraid that Toney would snap, if he told the truth. He´s still not in shape, but Rahman is so washed-up, he might beat him. It will be an epic bout, the american equivalent to Sam vs. Vidoz.

Fair assessment, i'd say.

[LOK]

is this on ESPN?

edit-nevermind

[dsimon3387]

dsimon writes:

Toney is in shape again he has lost a lot of weight and will cotinue where he left off... to unify the heavyweight division one bum at a time. Eventually he will light the German Robot up like a christmas tree.

War Toney!!!

[Roll With The Punches]

will anyone be doing a round by round?

[steve_dave]

Honestly, I watched the sparring footage on Max and Toney looks quick and his reflexes look sharp.

[KaukipRrr]

I hope Rahman cracks that fucken back, and puts the little turd in hospital again. Rahman may not be a very good fighter, but he knows how to deal with that illegal shoulder roll shit, war Rahman, go for it son.

[BigJohn619]

dsimon writes:

Toney is in shape again he has lost a lot of weight and will cotinue where he left off... to unify the heavyweight division one bum at a time. Eventually he will light the German Robot up like a christmas tree.

War Toney!!!

WAR LIGHTS OUT!!
:partie:





unfortunately for me, I'll be at work

[joony]

rahman is garbage. hopefully toney will get rid of this fool so that arum can empty is heavyweight recycle bin.

[BigJohn619]

rahman is garbage. hopefully toney will get rid of this fool so that arum can empty is heavyweight recycle bin.

Indeed. The guy looked like a complete POS against Zuri Lawrence which was televised on Versus. Lawrence was very competitive until stopped in the last round of the fight... Not sure how it was scored but I personally thought Zuri was ahead at the time of stoppage. Horrendous performance by Hasim :bangh:

Hopefully Toney KHTFO with a counter and disposes of this fellow

[Jake]

I find it hysterical that Toney can show up with tits and a pot belly, yet still be APPLAUDED for showing up lighter than for any fight since he beat Holyfield.

But those tears of laughter will be tears for real when I'm up tonight, forced to cover this POS show.

[Mitchell Kane]

They actually had commercials for this during the All Star game.

That was at least nice to see.

[Trplsec]

I find it hysterical that Toney can show up with tits and a pot belly, yet still be APPLAUDED for showing up lighter than for any fight since he beat Holyfield.

But those tears of laughter will be tears for real when I'm up tonight, forced to cover this POS show.

No shit. If you want me to cheer for Toney being in shape, he'd be fighting at cruiser.

[Mitchell Kane]

I find it hysterical that Toney can show up with tits and a pot belly, yet still be APPLAUDED for showing up lighter than for any fight since he beat Holyfield.

But those tears of laughter will be tears for real when I'm up tonight, forced to cover this POS show.

Just be glad you didn't watch that embarrassment against Batchelder. :lol:

[steve_dave]

Do you guys have the weights?

[Mitchell Kane]

Do you guys have the weights?

226 and 244

[Erratic]

Just be glad you didn't watch that embarrassment against Batchelder. :lol:

I did.:crying:

[Erratic]

I find it hysterical that Toney can show up with tits and a pot belly, yet still be APPLAUDED for showing up lighter than for any fight since he beat Holyfield.


Exactly. Not everyone can have the physique of a Mayweather or Bruno, but no boxer should be applauded when he enters the weigh-in looking like this.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/eaner0915/weighin.jpg

[steve_dave]

226 and 244

After all these years of fans dying to see James hit the 220s it's funny that by the time he does it no one cares.

[whiskey]

After all these years of fans dying to see James hit the 220s it's funny that by the time he does it no one cares.

I think people were hoping the 220's would see him without breasts.

[steve_dave]

I think people were hoping the 220's would see him without breasts.

Fair.

[Roll With The Punches]

so who's doing the round by round? :popcorn:

[steve_dave]

I did.:crying:

Same :shit:

[Mitchell Kane]

Same :shit:

How did you see it? I thought you lived in Canada.

It was probably the worst, least entertaining fight I've ever seen live. Absolutely pathetic...they deserved suspensions with or without postive tests.

[*Z*]

How did you see it? I thought you lived in Canada.

It was probably the worst, least entertaining fight I've ever seen live. Absolutely pathetic...they deserved suspensions with or without postive tests.


I was real close to going to that fight but ended up not going. Thank god.

[steve_dave]

How did you see it? I thought you lived in Canada.

It was probably the worst, least entertaining fight I've ever seen live. Absolutely pathetic...they deserved suspensions with or without postive tests.

I see or get my hands on a copy of every single fight that has a fighter I follow. Which is a lot. :lol:

[Mitchell Kane]

I see or get my hands on a copy of every single fight that has a fighter I follow. Which is a lot. :lol:

You must've watched it after hearing about how bad it was.

That takes dedication.

[steve_dave]

You must've watched it after hearing about how bad it was.

That takes dedication.

I'm a freak.

[Roll With The Punches]

so who's doing the round by round? :popcorn:

[Mitchell Kane]

I'm a freak.

Your use of that word makes you sound like a Dan Rafael groupie.

I pray that you are not.

[steve_dave]

Your use of that word makes you sound like a Dan Rafael groupie.

I pray that you are not.

I don't even read Rafael... didn't know he said that. :lol:

[Roll With The Punches]

so who's doing the round by round? :popcorn:


so anyone know a place that is doing a round by round for this? a place that doesn't suck like fightbeat, perhaps? :dunno:

[ILLUMINATI]

so anyone know a place that is doing a round by round for this? a place that doesn't suck like fightbeat, perhaps? :dunno:

Rahman JUST QUIT...LIKE A BITCH in round 2 or 3...accidental HEADBUTT...that was NOTHING...RAHMAN was getting his ass counter with the right hand...he was going to get KOTFO..and he QUIT>....


NO CONTEST>...

[Mitchell Kane]

so anyone know a place that is doing a round by round for this? a place that doesn't suck like fightbeat, perhaps? :dunno:

It was just stopped on cuts...ruled from a headbutt.

Rahman sounds like Camachita Jr. says he can't see.

[ILLUMINATI]

that cut is NOTHING>......fuck out of here....

[ILLUMINATI]

he can't see...hahahahaha...:crying:

[Mitchell Kane]

advice of ringside physician...technical knockout.

Fox Sports is Goossen's network and it was their bout.

[Roll With The Punches]

wtf :atu::shit:

[ILLUMINATI]

haha...Rahman said "I can see..he is hitting me with right hands.."...




:partie:....OKAY...WINNER BY TKO JAMES "LIGHTOUT" TONEY........

[Arben]

What the hell?

[Mitchell Kane]

James Toney's speech sounds great.

[Mitchell Kane]

Toney calling out Peter after his embarrassing rematch, and Klitschko, whom he was offered $1+ million and turned it down to fight Peter.:lol:

[ILLUMINATI]

Toney: "Peter you will see me again...Wlad you a bum..and your sister Vitaly"...:lol:

[Rubio MHS]

I bet on Rahman. I'm happy to get my money back. Rahman fought through having a fucking second head against Holyfield. After that, anyone'd want to get out of a fight. Look at Tyson against Holyfield. He fucking mutilated Vander because of a cut.

[Mitchell Kane]

Toney: "Peter you will see me again...Wlad you a bum..and your sister Vitaly"...:lol:

Toney had his chance to fight Klitschko and turned it down.

He forfeited his right to talk about him.

[Mitchell Kane]

Rahman "This is the worst damn decision period" :lol:

Camacho Jr.-Leija was changed, this might be as well.

[Rubio MHS]

Lots of fighters try to get a better deal. Almost all of them do. Sometimes it's a game of chicken. Toney didn't take the offer in hopes that a better offer was on the table. It wasn't, so he was SOL.

[jaws1216]

i feel bad for Ike, he shelled out some decent coin for good seats:lol:

[Roll With The Punches]

so did Rahman quit or was it stopped by the doctor? :lol:

[Rubio MHS]

I don't think I got my money back. Shit.

[Mitchell Kane]

Barry Tompkins says the referee came over to him and said "no contest, no decision".

[Mitchell Kane]

I don't think I got my money back. Shit.

The result might eventually be changed.

Heck, Toney hasn't even passed the drug testing.

[jaws1216]

I don't think I got my money back. Shit.

naw it was immediately made into a TKO victory since the doctor stopped it, which is a proposterous reason to have rahman lose...anyhow

good to have you back man:bears:

[Rubio MHS]

The result might eventually be changed.

Heck, Toney hasn't even passed the drug testing.Ruiz-Toney was eventually changed, but I didn't get any money back.

[Mitchell Kane]

Sounds like Goossen just told Lennon Jr. to call it a TKO and let the commission reverse it later.:lol:

Glazer says the commission guys said it's the doctor or referee's decision. Doctor earlier said it wasn't his decision.

[holler]

Rahman essentially quits in order to try to get a NC, meanwhile, Oscar Diaz is carried out on a stretcher after collapsing in the ring because he refused to quit. :doh:

[mikE]

Rahman essentially quits in order to try to get a NC, meanwhile, Oscar Diaz is carried out on a stretcher after collapsing in the ring because he refused to quit. :doh:

I love spoilers in concurrent threads on the same night.

[valdosta]

Sounds like Goossen just told Lennon Jr. to call it a TKO and let the commission reverse it later.:lol:

Glazer says the commission guys said it's the doctor or referee's decision. Doctor earlier said it wasn't his decision.

Goosen must have bet on Toney. The decision the night of the fight stands when it comes to betting. :partie:

[BigJohn619]

I don't think I got my money back. Shit.

Yo Steve_Dave, change this guy's "Senior member" to "Origami man" or better yet "expert harpist"

[steve_dave]

Yo Steve_Dave, change this guy's "Senior member" to "Origami man" or better yet "expert harpist"

Rubio is welcome to post in GD without this being brought up. Keep it to TAAA or Smacktalk please.

[BigJohn619]

you've gone soft man :nono:

The guy lives down the street from me man, no worries

[steve_dave]

you've gone soft man :nono:

The guy lives down the street from me man, no worries

Not about that dude. I just like to keep all the crap out of the boxing side.

[jaws1216]

bigger issue, u still coming to cotto/margarito Steve_Dave?

[steve_dave]

bigger issue, u still coming to cotto/margarito Steve_Dave?

Hell yeah. In Vegas from the July 23-29.

[joony]

damn, i remember watching toney-mccallum III on espn years ago thinking that i'm watching toney in the final stages of his career.

he's pretty much done at this point, but it's amazing how long this guy has been around.

[LOK]

I just watched it this morning..

you know.. I wish Toney would get his ass in shape..

I mean all this talk about being in "the best shape since the holy fight" he still looked soft

[*Z*]

Rahman essentially quits in order to try to get a NC,

Yep, that's exactly what happened. Rahman was hoping to get a NC by saying he couldn't see out of his eye. The cut itself was not even close to being bad enough to warrant a stoppage. Rahman was getting handled right before the round ended and he found a way to not get KO'd. He deserves the loss and Toney deserves the Win.

[Hanz]

I just watched it this morning..

you know.. I wish Toney would get his ass in shape..

I mean all this talk about being in "the best shape since the holy fight" he still looked soft

Yeah but his style is so economical, he doesn't need to build muscles and train his ass off. He just counters all day. Hardly looks like he's trying. The Ruiz fight was terrific, he was just toying with the bum all night.:lol:

[Hanz]

Yep, that's exactly what happened. Rahman was hoping to get a NC by saying he couldn't see out of his eye. The cut itself was not even close to being bad enough to warrant a stoppage. Rahman was getting handled right before the round ended and he found a way to not get KO'd. He deserves the loss and Toney deserves the Win.

Was it true that Rahman started getting hit more after the cut? He claimed Toney started landing after the cut because his vision was blurred and blood was getting in his eye.

[Hanz]

damn, i remember watching toney-mccallum III on espn years ago thinking that i'm watching toney in the final stages of his career.

he's pretty much done at this point, but it's amazing how long this guy has been around.

Done? He's just getting started. The best is yet to come. "Bring on that bum Wlad and his sister Vitali".:lol:

[joony]

rahman SUCKS. hopefully, this was the last time that one-hit wonder take up any tv time.

[*Z*]

Was it true that Rahman started getting hit more after the cut? He claimed Toney started landing after the cut because his vision was blurred and blood was getting in his eye.

Well, yeah that is true, but I don't think it was just the cut. Toney was starting to get to him anyway. I don't think the cut would have made any difference except he would have had to take his KO loss like a man instead of quitting.

[*Z*]

A fight I would love to see is Toney vs Haye. This fight should happen. It would be a good next fight for both guys.

[Hitman]

Rahman essentially quits in order to try to get a NC, meanwhile, Oscar Diaz is carried out on a stretcher after collapsing in the ring because he refused to quit. :doh:

Really makes you lose any sympathy you might have had for Rahman considering they fucked him over on the final decision of the fight's result.

not quite as dramatic a contrast, but when Vargas beat Yori Boy in 7 rounds for his first title at 154, Yori Boy quit because he "was taking too much punishment" but at the very same time on Telemundo for the 122 pound title - Enrique Sanchez went thru hell with both eyes closing his entire face swollen cuts all over the place basically 4 times worse than the damage Yori Boy sustained yet he gutted it out all 12 rounds gave a championship effort dropping a close decision in a great fight.

[*Z*]

Rahman in no way got fucked over. He quit. He was about to get KO'd in the next round or two and thought if he said he couldn't see they would rule it a NC.

[Arben]

Not sure if he was being too much of a quitter though. It just so happened that Toney was lacing up Rahman right after the cut opened, and the bleeding was going straight into his eye.

Rahman gave a great post-fight speech. He wasn't a whiny girl about it.

[LOK]

Yeah but his style is so economical, he doesn't need to build muscles and train his ass off. He just counters all day. Hardly looks like he's trying. The Ruiz fight was terrific, he was just toying with the bum all night.:lol:


I agree with the mastery of James Toney.. I just feel like he'd be that much better without excess fat around the middle

[Hitman]

Rahman in no way got fucked over. He quit. He was about to get KO'd in the next round or two and thought if he said he couldn't see they would rule it a NC.

Rahman punked out there is no doubt, and i have no sympathy for him. but him getting ko'd in the next round or so is complete speculation, and the result of the fight is not correct in accordance with the rules of boxing. the result is incorrect, therefore he was fucked over, imo

[*Z*]

Had Rahman just let the doctor look at his eye, the fight would have continued. It was Rahman who decided he didn't want to fight. The cut was minor compared to many others where the fight still went on.

[Hitman]

Had Rahman just let the doctor look at his eye, the fight would have continued. It was Rahman who decided he didn't want to fight. The cut was minor compared to many others where the fight still went on.

But the contention that he couldn't see was based on the injury he sustained caused by a head butt.

[holler]

Toney should get another fight while he's still in shape.

[KaukipRrr]

Here we go,.. Toney's a 'defensive master' it's amazing how many 'defensive masters' possess that illegal shoulder roll shit,..:shit:

[LOK]

Here we go,.. Toney's a 'defensive master' it's amazing how many 'defensive masters' possess that illegal shoulder roll shit,..:shit:


I really don't get your gripe about the shoulder roll :dunno:

[*Z*]

I really don't get your gripe about the shoulder roll :dunno:

It's not the shoulder roll that is illegal, it's when a certain fighter contorts himself in such a way that the only place he can be hit is in the back.

[LOK]

It's not the shoulder roll that is illegal, it's when a certain fighter contorts himself in such a way that the only place he can be hit is in the back.


I think it's about guys that beat his fighters.. that happen to do this:lol:

[*Z*]

I think it's about guys that beat his fighters.. that happen to do this:lol:


Nah, it's just Floyd.

[Azazel]

Awfull quit job by Rahman, one of the worst I've seen, the cut was NOTHING

[Mitchell Kane]

Goosen must have bet on Toney. The decision the night of the fight stands when it comes to betting. :partie:

I'm curious, how do they handle situations like Barrera-Juarez I or Quartery-Lopez where it's tallied incorrectly and therefore announced incorrectly...but is changed later, effecting the official result?

They have to pay out based on the corrected result, right?

[Roll With The Punches]

just watched it on youtube


a TKO victory is very fair....rahman looked lost and innefective and wanted out right away :atu:

[dsimon3387]

dsimon writes:

Thats right hes back bitches!!! line up and suck them man titties because lights out is takin' scalps and comin to your hood yeahhhh!!!@!!

:partie:

Rubio you are true blue but only a harp virtuosa would bet on two heads lewis... I mean Mensa Rahman against the incomprable James Toneeeeey! :hammert:

[valdosta]

I'm curious, how do they handle situations like Barrera-Juarez I or Quartery-Lopez where it's tallied incorrectly and therefore announced incorrectly...but is changed later, effecting the official result?

They have to pay out based on the corrected result, right?

Not sure on the Lopez bout. I know on MAB-Juarez they paid out on MAB because I had bet him. They corrected it the night of the fight I guess is why.:popcorn:

[Baron]

I just saw it on youtube. The cut wasn't that bad, I'm surprised he quit for that. His cutman may have been able to do something during the 1 minute break.

[Trplsec]

I just saw it on youtube. The cut wasn't that bad, I'm surprised he quit for that. His cutman may have been able to do something during the 1 minute break.

Hell, they had the bleeding stopped when the doctor was talking to him.

The truth is that Toney started timing Rahman's jab and ducking away from it and firing back with big, counter right hands that were catching Rahman flush. Hasim wanted out. Period.

[Hanz]

Well, yeah that is true, but I don't think it was just the cut. Toney was starting to get to him anyway. I don't think the cut would have made any difference except he would have had to take his KO loss like a man instead of quitting.

So why wasn't Toney able to time and counter Rahman effectively 2 years ago in the first fight?

[Trplsec]

Hell, they had the bleeding stopped when the doctor was talking to him.

The truth is that Toney started timing Rahman's jab and ducking away from it and firing back with big, counter right hands that were catching Rahman flush. Hasim wanted out. Period.

So why wasn't Toney able to time and counter Rahman effectively 2 years ago in the first fight?


I dont know. Why was Rahman able to knock Lewis out in their first fight, but not in their second fight?

If all fights look and end the same, maybe we can just put an end to unnecessary rematches.

Damn Hanzy, you might be on to something.

[Hanz]

I dont know. Why was Rahman able to knock Lewis out in their first fight, but not in their second fight?

If all fights look and end the same, maybe we can just put an end to unnecessary rematches.

Damn Hanzy, you might be on to something.

:lol: Well I have to say, Toney looked more serious this time around. Rahman looked worse for the wear.

[Erratic]

So why wasn't Toney able to time and counter Rahman effectively 2 years ago in the first fight?

Toney hit Rahman with a lot of counter shots in the first fight, but they didn't really seem to affect Rahman.

[dsimon3387]

Toney hit Rahman with a lot of counter shots in the first fight, but they didn't really seem to affect Rahman.


dsimon writes:

Because Toney got in shape.He took his training seriously. He really is all that.

I fully expect Tony to now cuff both Klitchkos and wrap things up by following through on his promise to buy livestock for Sam Peter after a whoopin! :mj:

[Erratic]

dsimon writes:

Because Toney got in shape.He took his training seriously. He really is all that.


By James's standards, he trained hard and ate less.

He was still way too fat, or as Ike would say, "morbidly obese" for a professional boxer to be.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2008/07/17/boxingx-large.jpg
http://www.fightnews.com/toneyko.jpg


I fully expect Tony to now cuff both Klitchkos and wrap things up by following through on his promise to buy livestock for Sam Peter after a whoopin! :mj:

He's too small, and also old, for Wlad. Wlad would beat him up, badly.

[Mitchell Kane]

No surprise here:

Toney-Rahman Rematch Result Changed from TKO to ND
By Doug Fischer (July 28, 2008)

The third-round technical stoppage that James Toney scored over Hasim Rahman two weeks ago was changed to a No Decision by the California State Athletic Commission, according to a press release distributed by the CSAC (the agency that regulates boxing in California) today.

An accidental clash of heads in the third round of the Fox Sports Net-televised heavyweight bout from Temecula, California resulted in a cut above Rahman's left eye. In-between rounds, the former heavyweight champ told the ringside physician that he could not see and the bout was stopped on the assumption that Rahman had willingly retired on his stool, thus resulting in the TKO victory for Toney.

However, according to the Unified Rules of Boxing that are followed by all U.S. jurisdictions a bout that is stopped before four completed rounds due to an accidental headbutt or foul is automatically ruled a No Decision.

This is the statement from the CSAC: "The original decision of the James Toney v. Hasim Rahman bout that took place on July 16, 2008 in Temecula, California was a Technical Knockout win for Mr. Toney. Mr. Rahman subsequently appealed the decision. His appeal met the rule requirements.

After reviewing all available facts, the original decision is changed to a No Decision."

The ruling erases the win from Toney's record and the loss from Rahman's ledger.

[Pascals Wager]

He quit.

[Roll With The Punches]

who actually stopped the fight though? :dunno: rahman or the doctor?

[Free Ike]

I was at that fight. I went with two buddies that know nothing about boxing. That is the last time, I will ever go to a card with mainstreamers. Anyway, these drunken lunatics started screaming. I can even hear one buddy on the telecast. He was standing in the middle of the aisle 5 minutes after everyone calmed down and screamed BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO like a 2 year old having a tantrum. My other buddy a drunken stoned whitey ran up to Rahman and ringside and called him a fucking bitch. An enormous black man turned to him and said: "it was a headbut" and my friend wisely shut the fuck up. It reminded me of Eddie Murphy Raw. This guy told my friend "oh, you just saw Rocky didn't you white boy."

Good card. A kid by the last name of Dallas was really impressive. IMO, Rahman quit. The but wasn't bad and JT was landing some wicked shots. He wanted out. For those of who say I am negative, there it is. The main event stunk but I am glad I went.

[Neil]

For those of who say I am negative, there it is. The main event stunk but I am glad I went.

not so much negative as daft.

[Free Ike]

not so much negative as daft.

Daft. Only sexually frustrated men of small stature use that word. Oops. I guess your high school education is being put to good use. Keep looking up to me, Neil. Then again, I guess even if I were only 5 foor 4 you would have no choice but to look up.

[Neil]

Daft. Only sexually frustrated men of small stature use that word. Oops. I guess your high school education is being put to good use. Keep looking up to me, Neil. Then again, I guess even if I were only 5 foor 4 you would have no choice but to look up.

I have no admiration for cretinoids.