Fedor will go down as the Sugar Ray Robinson of MMA.

[Beyond the Grave]

He has raised the bar so high ,there's no telling how long it will be before someone tops what he's done for example

Currently on a 27 fight win streak.

And he hasnt lost a round in any of those fights.

And what he did to Tim Sylvia (top 5 heavyweight) tonight was a brutal reminder to the haters and the fans that don't know shit,that Fedor is the most dominant fighter in the sport.

[REEDsART]

REED DOESN'T Disagree w/your Point, Necessarily...

But U're VERY INCONSISTENT, Dog...REED Recalls YOU Being Among the More HARSH Critics of Roy Jones, Over the Years...Like the Other haters, YOU Cited Roy's Level of Opposition, how Frequently he DIDN'T Fight & Other Assorted Things...

But @ the Same Time, U'll WILLINGLY Allow Fedor to MAINTAIN his # 1 Spot, Lb for Lb, even when Anderson Silva has CLEARLY Done MORE to Deserve that Designation, Recently???...

Right Now, Fedor is More like the "Roy Jones of MMA" than the Ray Robinson...
REED:mj:

[valdosta]

Fedor's a badass for sure. No big weakness's besides the fact that he cuts kind of easy. As for not losing any rounds, did he win round 1 against Cro Cop?

[Hanz]

REED DOESN'T Disagree w/your Point, Necessarily...

But U're VERY INCONSISTENT, Dog...REED Recalls YOU Being Among the More HARSH Critics of Roy Jones, Over the Years...Like the Other haters, YOU Cited Roy's Level of Opposition, how Frequently he DIDN'T Fight & Other Assorted Things...

But @ the Same Time, U'll WILLINGLY Allow Fedor to MAINTAIN his # 1 Spot, Lb for Lb, even when Anderson Silva has CLEARLY Done MORE to Deserve that Designation, Recently???...

Right Now, Fedor is More like the "Roy Jones of MMA" than the Ray Robinson...
REED:mj:
What's with this P4P bullsh*t? That's something invented by little men in boxing who can't compete with the big men so they have this P4P crap going on. Anderson Silva is a fine talent but he's not a heavyweight. The best fighter in the world is Fedor Emelianenko. Fedor would murder anybody whom Anderson has faced. I'm not so sure Anderson would do the same against Fedor's comp.

[Hanz]

Fedor's a badass for sure. No big weakness's besides the fact that he cuts kind of easy. As for not losing any rounds, did he win round 1 against Cro Cop?

It was a close round but he won it. He won all the rounds on the scorecards.

[Beyond the Grave]

REED DOESN'T Disagree w/your Point, Necessarily...

But U're VERY INCONSISTENT, Dog...REED Recalls YOU Being Among the More HARSH Critics of Roy Jones, Over the Years...Like the Other haters, YOU Cited Roy's Level of Opposition, how Frequently he DIDN'T Fight & Other Assorted Things...

But @ the Same Time, U'll WILLINGLY Allow Fedor to MAINTAIN his # 1 Spot, Lb for Lb, even when Anderson Silva has CLEARLY Done MORE to Deserve that Designation, Recently???...

Right Now, Fedor is More like the "Roy Jones of MMA" than the Ray Robinson...
REED:mj:

Anderson Silva is not better than Fedor...and p4p has always been a joke,even in mma.I would rather use my common sense.

[D MAN]

REED DOESN'T Disagree w/your Point, Necessarily...

But U're VERY INCONSISTENT, Dog...REED Recalls YOU Being Among the More HARSH Critics of Roy Jones, Over the Years...Like the Other haters, YOU Cited Roy's Level of Opposition, how Frequently he DIDN'T Fight & Other Assorted Things...

But @ the Same Time, U'll WILLINGLY Allow Fedor to MAINTAIN his # 1 Spot, Lb for Lb, even when Anderson Silva has CLEARLY Done MORE to Deserve that Designation, Recently???...

Right Now, Fedor is More like the "Roy Jones of MMA" than the Ray Robinson...
REED:mj:

Excellent analogy

Fedor is the Roy Jones of MMA. He is clearly the best of his era... but for various reasons has not consistently faced the top competition available. When he does however, like Jones, he leaves zero doubt about who is the greatest fighter of his time, he makes everyone look like the same weak fighter, in comparison to himself.

Unlike boxing, MMA is still in it's "first era", so in the case of Fedor it makes him the greatest fighter ever, and hindsight will make him the Ray Robinson of MMA. But for right now Roy Jones is a better match.

[Bob N. Weave]

Comparing Fedor to RJJ sounds like a fair comparison, pre-tarver of course. They both have godlike ability and are on another level compared to their competition. After last night, I seriously don't know who the hell is going to beat this guy, unless father time catches him.

[valdosta]

It was a close round but he won it. He won all the rounds on the scorecards.

That can't be proved. Pride wasn't scored like that. I think he lost that round to be honest. I remember he dominated rounds 2 and 3 but he got shook in round 1 and lost it.

[Hanz]

Comparing Fedor to RJJ sounds like a fair comparison, pre-tarver of course. They both have godlike ability and are on another level compared to their competition. After last night, I seriously don't know who the hell is going to beat this guy, unless father time catches him.

I've followed his career for 7 years now, watched every single match he's ever had including his Sambo tournament matches and I'm seeing him kill guys faster and faster with each performance. Furthermore, I'm seeing him use new and different submission moves and he continuously proves how well-versed he is. At 31, I don't think he's even hit his peak yet. His way of doing things in the ring is so economical, he makes you think "Hey, MMA looks so easy!" :lol: The man is physically young. He's got a long time to go yet.
Dana sh*t himself yesterday. The f*cker's former UFC champion got mauled.
Furthermore, let's compare performances between Fedor and Randy Couture.
Couture rocked and dropped Tim Sylvia, got him in a rear naked but the fight went the full 5 rounds. Fedor likewise rocked and dropped Tim, got him in a rear and the fight was over within seconds.
The way I see it, if Randy fights Fedor, Randy likely is fighting himself but a much younger, stronger, faster, more powerful, more explosive and more skilled version of himself.
It won't end well for Randy IMO. This is unlike any man he's ever faced in his life.

[Hanz]

That can't be proved. Pride wasn't scored like that. I think he lost that round to be honest. I remember he dominated rounds 2 and 3 but he got shook in round 1 and lost it.

He got shook for about half a second, then he proceeded to take Mirko down and do his business. I won't argue with anybody if they think CroCop deserved that round. CroCop fought scared. He was running away from Fedor as Fedor tried to bring it.

[Hanz]

Anderson Silva is not better than Fedor...and p4p has always been a joke,even in mma.I would rather use my common sense.

Agreed. F*ck p4p! It's about who is the best in the world. Floyd Mayweather ain't gonna KO Wladimir Klitschko. But they wanna use this P4P concept to make Floyd out to be the best when we all know he'd be raped if he stepped up.

[REEDsART]

Anderson Silva is not better than Fedor...and p4p has always been a joke,even in mma.I would rather use my common sense.
Lb for Lb is Such a "Joke" that YOU Participate in AND COMPLAIN about TFK's Lb for Lb List???...

Again, REED is Going Back in the Day (Particularly @ Boxing Fanatics)when Cats like YOU Couldn't Bitch Enough about Roy Jones...Even when he was CLEARLY THE Best Fighter in Boxing, BAR NONE, you had Beef w/him...

Well Guess What???...ALOT of the Same Criticisms CAN B Used Against Fedor, but Because U LIKE Fedor, U Choose NOT to "Go There"...That's YOUR Prerogative, but just Recognize that it's a Bit Hypocritical, Dog...

In the Last 2 Years, who's Faced BETTER Opposition???...Silva or Fedor???...Bottom Line, Silva's Been AS Dominant as Fedor, Against a HIGHER Level of Comp, in the Last Couple Years...

U DID See how he DISMANTLED Irvin, Didn't U???...



REED:hammert:

[Bob N. Weave]

this is such a tough argument. Both guys are sooo dominant and its tough to look negatively at either one. Both fighters are raping their respective divisions so I just like to sit back and be thankful I can witness these two greats in action.

As Fedor put it when asked after the fight about people comparing him and Silva for P4P he replied "I don't really care about these comparisons".

[Hanz]

Lb for Lb is Such a "Joke" that YOU Participate in AND COMPLAIN about TFK's Lb for Lb List???...

Again, REED is Going Back in the Day (Particularly @ Boxing Fanatics)when Cats like YOU Couldn't Bitch Enough about Roy Jones...Even when he was CLEARLY THE Best Fighter in Boxing, BAR NONE, you had Beef w/him...

Well Guess What???...ALOT of the Same Criticisms CAN B Used Against Fedor, but Because U LIKE Fedor, U Choose NOT to "Go There"...That's YOUR Prerogative, but just Recognize that it's a Bit Hypocritical, Dog...

In the Last 2 Years, who's Faced BETTER Opposition???...Silva or Fedor???...Bottom Line, Silva's Been AS Dominant as Fedor, Against a HIGHER Level of Comp, in the Last Couple Years...

U DID See how he DISMANTLED Irvin, Didn't U???...



REED:hammert:

Can it Reed! What the heck would you know about Anderson or Fedor? You only started watching MMA about a year and a half ago and came on here asking for some history on MMA and its fighters. Now you're acting like you know all your sh*t.
You missed all the years when Fedor was raping mofos like bitches, best you can do is relive it through dvds and try to play catch-up.
Anderson's comp is ok for UFC level but he ain't no f*ckin Fedor! Fedor's proven he's the best against the best. Anderson tapped out like a little cunt in a leg submission from some japanese can.
Who the f*ck really is Leben, Lutter, and manufactured UFC crap whom they've been throwing at Silva? Anderson's comp is WAY overrated! Who the f*ck is James Irvin?
I ain't down with P4P. If Anderson wants to claim he's the #1 fighter in the world, he needs to step up to heavyweight and take on Fedor or Noguira or some of the best fighters in the world. That's when you're the best, when you can beat the best in the world. Anderson's only the best at 185. So how you gonna claim he's better than Fedor? :lol:

[Bob N. Weave]

Can it Reed! What the heck would you know about Anderson or Fedor? You only started watching MMA about a year and a half ago and came on here asking for some history on MMA and its fighters. Now you're acting like you know all your sh*t.
You missed all the years when Fedor was raping mofos like bitches, best you can do is relive it through dvds and try to play catch-up.
Anderson's comp is ok for UFC level but he ain't no f*ckin Fedor! Fedor's proven he's the best against the best. Anderson tapped out like a little cunt in a leg submission from some japanese can.
Who the f*ck really is Leben, Lutter, and manufactured UFC crap whom they've been throwing at Silva? Anderson's comp is WAY overrated! Who the f*ck is James Irvin?
I ain't down with P4P. If Anderson wants to claim he's the #1 fighter in the world, he needs to step up to heavyweight and take on Fedor or Noguira or some of the best fighters in the world. That's when you're the best, when you can beat the best in the world. Anderson's only the best at 185. So how you gonna claim he's better than Fedor? :lol:


Chill out dude, its just debate.

[Anthony]

Excellent analogy

Fedor is the Roy Jones of MMA. He is clearly the best of his era... but for various reasons has not consistently faced the top competition available. When he does however, like Jones, he leaves zero doubt about who is the greatest fighter of his time, he makes everyone look like the same weak fighter, in comparison to himself.

Unlike boxing, MMA is still in it's "first era", so in the case of Fedor it makes him the greatest fighter ever, and hindsight will make him the Ray Robinson of MMA. But for right now Roy Jones is a better match.MMA is not like boxing. This isnt really its first era. Guys that dominated before like Royce Grace and even Marco Rua, would get beat today. The game has changed greatly since the early 90s.

[Anthony]

this is such a tough argument. Both guys are sooo dominant and its tough to look negatively at either one. Both fighters are raping their respective divisions so I just like to sit back and be thankful I can witness these two greats in action.

As Fedor put it when asked after the fight about people comparing him and Silva for P4P he replied "I don't really care about these comparisons".
He doesnt care, because there is no comparison and he knows it. Put silva in the ring with Nog, Jackson, Henderson, Cro-Cop, Forrest, etc. Big names. ANd lets see. Silva has a long way to go if he wants to catch fedor.

[Hanz]

I love Anderson Silva as much as the next guy but this argument is F*cking BULLSH*T!!!!! How's a 185lber gonna claim greatness over a heavyweight? Heavyweight is the elite level, it doesn't go any higher. Anderson fights at 185. Why even use your stupid p4p concept in MMA? Keep that sh*t in boxing where little cunts like Floyd use that status to gloat their sh*t. P4p is used by pussies who can't fight at the higher weight classes. What use would P4P be if f*cking Fairyweather stepped up to Wlad? What's his pussy little P4P gonna do for him then when Wlad's fist is embedded in Floyd's head?
Like I said, keep that P4P sh*t in boxing for the little sh*ts who don't want none of the big boys.
Drop that P4P sh*t Reed. MMA fans don't wanna hear it.

[Beyond the Grave]

Reed misread the title of the thread.I said when its all said and done...like when fedor retires.

[BigJohn619]

I love Anderson Silva as much as the next guy but this argument is F*cking BULLSH*T!!!!! How's a 185lber gonna claim greatness over a heavyweight? Heavyweight is the elite level, it doesn't go any higher. Anderson fights at 185. Why even use your stupid p4p concept in MMA? Keep that sh*t in boxing where little cunts like Floyd use that status to gloat their sh*t. P4p is used by pussies who can't fight at the higher weight classes. What use would P4P be if f*cking Fairyweather stepped up to Wlad? What's his pussy little P4P gonna do for him then when Wlad's fist is embedded in Floyd's head?
Like I said, keep that P4P sh*t in boxing for the little sh*ts who don't want none of the big boys.
Drop that P4P sh*t Reed. MMA fans don't wanna hear it.

:bears:

[REEDsART]

Can it Reed! What the heck would you know about Anderson or Fedor? You only started watching MMA about a year and a half ago and came on here asking for some history on MMA and its fighters. Now you're acting like you know all your sh*t.
You missed all the years when Fedor was raping mofos like bitches, best you can do is relive it through dvds and try to play catch-up.
Anderson's comp is ok for UFC level but he ain't no f*ckin Fedor! Fedor's proven he's the best against the best. Anderson tapped out like a little cunt in a leg submission from some japanese can.
Who the f*ck really is Leben, Lutter, and manufactured UFC crap whom they've been throwing at Silva? Anderson's comp is WAY overrated! Who the f*ck is James Irvin?
I ain't down with P4P. If Anderson wants to claim he's the #1 fighter in the world, he needs to step up to heavyweight and take on Fedor or Noguira or some of the best fighters in the world. That's when you're the best, when you can beat the best in the world. Anderson's only the best at 185. So how you gonna claim he's better than Fedor? :lol:U've NEVER Seen REED Repping Himself an an MMA "Know it All"...& U Never Will...

"However" N the Last Year & 1/2, REED has Seen No Fewer than 10 Fights of Fedor's & 8-10 of Silva's...

Just like New Boxing Fans Research Old Tapes/DVD's to Get Up to Speed on Guys, the SAME Can B Done for MMA...Why Else would UFC Replay their Bouts Soooooooo Fucking FREQUENTLY???...

FoxSports has a PRIDE Special where they'll FEATURE a Particular Fighter, Showing 4-5 Bouts PER Episode...Moreso, Frank Trigg Takes the Time to ANALYZE the Action in those Bouts, to Newer Fans like REED...

Sure, REED is on the SHALLOW End of the MMA Knowledge Pool, but REED HAS SEEN Enough of Silva AND Fedor (& Most of the Other Top Ranked Guys) to Speak INTELLIGENTLY about them Both...



REED:mj:

[REEDsART]

I love Anderson Silva as much as the next guy but this argument is F*cking BULLSH*T!!!!! How's a 185lber gonna claim greatness over a heavyweight? Heavyweight is the elite level, it doesn't go any higher. Anderson fights at 185. Why even use your stupid p4p concept in MMA? Keep that sh*t in boxing where little cunts like Floyd use that status to gloat their sh*t. P4p is used by pussies who can't fight at the higher weight classes. What use would P4P be if f*cking Fairyweather stepped up to Wlad? What's his pussy little P4P gonna do for him then when Wlad's fist is embedded in Floyd's head?
Like I said, keep that P4P sh*t in boxing for the little sh*ts who don't want none of the big boys.
Drop that P4P sh*t Reed. MMA fans don't wanna hear it.Oh Really???...

Then WHY Do Practically ALL of the "Voices" of MMA Constantly Harp on "Lb 4 Lb"???...

Joe Rogan, Dana White CONSTANTLY Talk about it...During the Fedor Telecast, Glazer, Trigg & McCarthy CONSTANTLY Talked about it...Even Frank Mir Talks about it whenever Faber Fights....

& Those Guys Know MUCH More about MMA than YOU Do...


REED:hammert:

[Hanz]

Oh Really???...

Then WHY Do Practically ALL of the "Voices" of MMA Constantly Harp on "Lb 4 Lb"???...

Joe Rogan, Dana White CONSTANTLY Talk about it...During the Fedor Telecast, Glazer, Trigg & McCarthy CONSTANTLY Talked about it...Even Frank Mir Talks about it whenever Faber Fights....

& Those Guys Know MUCH More about MMA than YOU Do...


REED:hammert:

Because they're ripping off boxing. Everything they do in mma is a rip off of boxing. Not really their fault, it's regulated and overseen by those same boxing clowns. Even the judges are boxing refs and they use the boxing point system. Now they wanna do P4P crap in mma which makes no sense. Not that it ever did.
Like I said, discard p4p and just use your better judgement. If Anderson is the best in the world, he better go up and fight the best in the world. Not some UFC bums at 185.

[LOK]

Because they're ripping off boxing. Everything they do in mma is a rip off of boxing. Not really their fault, it's regulated and overseen by those same boxing clowns. Even the judges are boxing refs and they use the boxing point system. Now they wanna do P4P crap in mma which makes no sense. Not that it ever did.
Like I said, discard p4p and just use your better judgement. If Anderson is the best in the world, he better go up and fight the best in the world. Not some UFC bums at 185.


so you think we should just get rid of weight classes?

[Hanz]

U've NEVER Seen REED Repping Himself an an MMA "Know it All"...& U Never Will...

"However" N the Last Year & 1/2, REED has Seen No Fewer than 10 Fights of Fedor's & 8-10 of Silva's...

Just like New Boxing Fans Research Old Tapes/DVD's to Get Up to Speed on Guys, the SAME Can B Done for MMA...Why Else would UFC Replay their Bouts Soooooooo Fucking FREQUENTLY???...

FoxSports has a PRIDE Special where they'll FEATURE a Particular Fighter, Showing 4-5 Bouts PER Episode...Moreso, Frank Trigg Takes the Time to ANALYZE the Action in those Bouts, to Newer Fans like REED...

Sure, REED is on the SHALLOW End of the MMA Knowledge Pool, but REED HAS SEEN Enough of Silva AND Fedor (& Most of the Other Top Ranked Guys) to Speak INTELLIGENTLY about them Both...



REED:mj:

Big deal. Max Kellerman thinks he's a f*cking boxing almanac with all the sh*t he's read in his life. But he's still a stupid queer and knows nothing. F*ck my 4 year old little sh*t could pick fights better than this prick.
You feel me Reed?

[Hanz]

so you think we should just get rid of weight classes?

Weight classes is so that nobody dies.

[REEDsART]

Because they're ripping off boxing. Everything they do in mma is a rip off of boxing. Not really their fault, it's regulated and overseen by those same boxing clowns. Even the judges are boxing refs and they use the boxing point system. Now they wanna do P4P crap in mma which makes no sense. Not that it ever did.
Like I said, discard p4p and just use your better judgement. If Anderson is the best in the world, he better go up and fight the best in the world. Not some UFC bums at 185.
So Basically if U're NOT a Heavyweight, U SHOULDN'T Even Bother to Compete in Combat Sports???...

That's YOUR Example of "using Better Judgement"???....


REED:boohoo:

[REEDsART]

Big deal. Max Kellerman thinks he's a f*cking boxing almanac with all the sh*t he's read in his life. But he's still a stupid queer and knows nothing. F*ck my 4 year old little sh*t could pick fights better than this prick.
You feel me Reed?
Handicapping Fights ISN'T Necessarily an Indicator of "Knowledge"...It's Almost like Flipping a Coin...

REED Knows PLENTY of Boxing TRAINERS who CAN'T Pick Fights for Shit...Yet they can Take a Kid who DOESN'T Know a Jab from an Uppercut & MAKE Something Out of him...



REED:hammert:

[LOK]

Hanzy is a SUPER heavy but little ass Floyd would STRETCH his ass

[REEDsART]

Hanzy is a SUPER heavy but little ass Floyd would STRETCH his ass
Why is it that FAT Motherfuckers Always Try to MINIMIZE the Importance of "Lb for Lb"???...

REED:hammert:

[REEDsART]

Reed misread the title of the thread.I said when its all said and done...like when fedor retires.
REED Acknowledged there's VALIDITY to your Statement...Now when R U Gonna Acknowlede your Own HYPOCRISY, as it Pertains to Fedor & Roy Jones (Pre-Tarver)???...


REED:dunno:

[Hanz]

So Basically if U're NOT a Heavyweight, U SHOULDN'T Even Bother to Compete in Combat Sports???...

That's YOUR Example of "using Better Judgement"???....


REED:boohoo:

No fool, I said don't use the P4P concept. It's a whole load of sh*t. WTF is your reason for using P4P? Ok, Floyd is P4P the best. What's this cunt gonna do when somebody like Wladimir is standing across the ring from him? What's his P4P sh*t gonna do? Why can't Floyd say "I'm the best boxer at 147"? Why does he have to say "I'm P4P the best?"
By saying he's P4P the best, he's making a claim that he's superior to Wladimir. And Wlad could easily just walk into the ring and push his cock into Floyd's mouth and make him suck it real good like his f*ckin' love slave.
Are we cool?

[Hanz]

Hanzy is a SUPER heavy but little ass Floyd would STRETCH his ass

Floyd's a bitch. I'd spread his asshole.

[Hanz]

Why is it that FAT Motherfuckers Always Try to MINIMIZE the Importance of "Lb for Lb"???...

REED:hammert:

Like I said, P4P was invented for the little guys who can't go up in weight and beat the big boys. So they gotta make themselves look more significant. It's called marketing.
Nobody in history remembers P4P anything. They remember who you fought and who you beat. That's why Floyd's career is gonna be scrapped right through the dirt in 10 years time when they realize how f*cking crap his fights were with weak opposition. Dude never had any real epic fight, just boring crap over bums. Then retired as soon as a tough contender emerged in Cotto.

[REEDsART]

No fool, I said don't use the P4P concept. It's a whole load of sh*t. WTF is your reason for using P4P? Ok, Floyd is P4P the best. What's this cunt gonna do when somebody like Wladimir is standing across the ring from him? What's his P4P sh*t gonna do? Why can't Floyd say "I'm the best boxer at 147"? Why does he have to say "I'm P4P the best?"
By saying he's P4P the best, he's making a claim that he's superior to Wladimir. And Wlad could easily just walk into the ring and push his cock into Floyd's mouth and make him suck it real good like his f*ckin' love slave.
Are we cool?
The ONLY Reason Wlad would Beat Floyd is Because he's 100 lbs HEAVIER & Nearly a Foot TALLER...

But w/Out Question, the More SKILLED Fighter is Floyd Mayweather...That's NOT even a CLOSE Argument...

It's Funny we're even having this Debate N a "Sugar Ray Robinson" related Thread...BECAUSE he was Only a Welter/Middle & There were Heavyweights Around who Could Use their Sheer SIZE to Beat him, the Term "Lb for Lb" was CREATED...

Why, Because Despite what he LACKED N Size, Robinson MORE than Made Up for N SKILL...



REED:kidcool:

[REEDsART]

Like I said, P4P was invented for the little guys who can't go up in weight and beat the big boys. So they gotta make themselves look more significant. It's called marketing.
Nobody in history remembers P4P anything. They remember who you fought and who you beat. That's why Floyd's career is gonna be scrapped right through the dirt in 10 years time when they realize how f*cking crap his fights were with weak opposition. Dude never had any real epic fight, just boring crap over bums. Then retired as soon as a tough contender emerged in Cotto.
Correction, Lb 4 Lb was Invented to TEACH Casual Fans the Difference btwn a Guy who Wins SOLELY Because of his SIZE & a Smaller Guy who Wins Based on his SKILLS & TALENTS...50-60 Years AFTER the Term was Created, People STILL Remember that Ray Robinson was "Lb 4 Lb"...

Peeps Remember JC Chavez Being Lb 4 Lb...Ditto for Pernell Whittaker, Roy Jones Jr. & YES, Floyd Mayweather...

& Despite your Petty BITTERNESS, even YOU Will Remember It...


REED:hammert:

ps. U Could Beat Floyd @ Competitive EATING, but that's about It...

[Beyond the Grave]

Hanzy :slap:REED

[Hanz]

The ONLY Reason Wlad would Beat Floyd is Because he's 100 lbs HEAVIER & Nearly a Foot TALLER...

But w/Out Question, the More SKILLED Fighter is Floyd Mayweather...That's NOT even a CLOSE Argument...

It's Funny we're even having this Debate N a "Sugar Ray Robinson" related Thread...BECAUSE he was Only a Welter/Middle & There were Heavyweights Around who Could Use their Sheer SIZE to Beat him, the Term "Lb for Lb" was CREATED...

Why, Because Despite what he LACKED N Size, Robinson MORE than Made Up for N SKILL...



REED:kidcool:

So why's it so important for you to use the P4P sh*t in every debate? Why not just let the best fighters of their weight class be the best fighters of their weight class? Why does it have to come down to P4P bullsh*t?
Facts are facts. Wlad is the best heavyweight and Floyd was the best of whatever crap division he was fighting in until Cotto came along.

[Hanz]

Correction, Lb 4 Lb was Invented to TEACH Casual Fans the Difference btwn a Guy who Wins SOLELY Because of his SIZE & a Smaller Guy who Wins Based on his SKILLS & TALENTS...50-60 Years AFTER the Term was Created, People STILL Remember that Ray Robinson was "Lb 4 Lb"...

Peeps Remember JC Chavez Being Lb 4 Lb...Ditto for Pernell Whittaker, Roy Jones Jr. & YES, Floyd Mayweather...

& Despite your Petty BITTERNESS, even YOU Will Remember It...


REED:hammert:

ps. U Could Beat Floyd @ Competitive EATING, but that's about It...

Your sh*t doesn't even make any sense. The subject is Fedor and Silva P4P. You said: "Lb 4 Lb was Invented to TEACH Casual Fans the Difference btwn a Guy who Wins SOLELY Because of his SIZE & a Smaller Guy who Wins Based on his SKILLS & TALENTS".
So unless you have some kind of drinking problem and don't have your full wits when you're watching MMA, explain how little 6 foot Fedor who's pretty much faced a bigger man in every fight compare to 6'3 Anderson Silva who's pretty much been the bigger man against every opponent at 185?
Look at Fedor's opponents Hunt, Choi, and Sylvia over the past year and a half. All these guys were much bigger than he was. Choi was more than a foot and 150lbs heavier, Sylvia was 8" and 30lbs heavier and Hunt was 50lbs heavier.
Then look at Anderson against little Leben, smaller Franklin, Marquardt, and Henderson. All those fights, Anderson was the bigger man and considerably taller.
So how is it that Fedor as a heavyweight won solely because of his size while Anderson won based on his skills and talent? When you factor in that Fedor was fighting much bigger guys than himself while Anderson was fighting guys his own size or smaller?
Explain that f*cking sh*t to me with your bullsh*t P4P sh*t right now! Tell me how f*ckin' Fedor beat guys with his size while Anderson won with his talent using your so called P4P bullsh*t logic! Go ahead...

[Bob N. Weave]

Your sh*t doesn't even make any sense. The subject is Fedor and Silva P4P. You said: "Lb 4 Lb was Invented to TEACH Casual Fans the Difference btwn a Guy who Wins SOLELY Because of his SIZE & a Smaller Guy who Wins Based on his SKILLS & TALENTS".
So unless you have some kind of drinking problem and don't have your full wits when you're watching MMA, explain how little 6 foot Fedor who's pretty much faced a bigger man in every fight compare to 6'3 Anderson Silva who's pretty much been the bigger man against every opponent at 185?
Look at Fedor's opponents Hunt, Choi, and Sylvia over the past year and a half. All these guys were much bigger than he was. Choi was more than a foot and 150lbs heavier, Sylvia was 8" and 30lbs heavier and Hunt was 50lbs heavier.
Then look at Anderson against little Leben, smaller Franklin, Marquardt, and Henderson. All those fights, Anderson was the bigger man and considerably taller.
So how is it that Fedor as a heavyweight won solely because of his size while Anderson won based on his skills and talent? When you factor in that Fedor was fighting much bigger guys than himself while Anderson was fighting guys his own size or smaller?
Explain that f*cking sh*t to me with your bullsh*t P4P sh*t right now! Tell me how f*ckin' Fedor beat guys with his size while Anderson won with his talent using your so called P4P bullsh*t logic! Go ahead...

Who the hell said that Fedor wins solely because of his size while Anderson won on skill and talent. Pay attention to the posts and get your shit right. No one is degrading either fighter here idiot.:bangh:

[REEDsART]

So why's it so important for you to use the P4P sh*t in every debate? Why not just let the best fighters of their weight class be the best fighters of their weight class? Why does it have to come down to P4P bullsh*t?
Facts are facts. Wlad is the best heavyweight and Floyd was the best of whatever crap division he was fighting in until Cotto came along.
The Mere FACT that U CAN'T Even Bring Yourself to CREDIT Floyd Mayweather even SLIGHTLY, SHITS on your Presumed "Knowledge" of this Topic, Not to Mention your "Holier than Thou" Attitude as it Pertains to MMA...

The FACT is, Floyd Mayweather is a MORE SKILLED Fighter than Wlad...Ditto for Manny Pac...Ditto for Miguel Cotto...

But NONE of them would Beat Wlad Head to Head, Cause he's Got a MASSIZE Size & Strength Advantage...

Not Sure WHY U're Sooo THREATENED by the Concept of "Lb for Lb", but it's Been Around Since BEFORE U were Here & It'll STILL B Here Looooooooong After your Bitter Ass has EXPIRED...



REED:bears:

[REEDsART]

Your sh*t doesn't even make any sense. The subject is Fedor and Silva P4P. You said: "Lb 4 Lb was Invented to TEACH Casual Fans the Difference btwn a Guy who Wins SOLELY Because of his SIZE & a Smaller Guy who Wins Based on his SKILLS & TALENTS".
So unless you have some kind of drinking problem and don't have your full wits when you're watching MMA, explain how little 6 foot Fedor who's pretty much faced a bigger man in every fight compare to 6'3 Anderson Silva who's pretty much been the bigger man against every opponent at 185?
Look at Fedor's opponents Hunt, Choi, and Sylvia over the past year and a half. All these guys were much bigger than he was. Choi was more than a foot and 150lbs heavier, Sylvia was 8" and 30lbs heavier and Hunt was 50lbs heavier.
Then look at Anderson against little Leben, smaller Franklin, Marquardt, and Henderson. All those fights, Anderson was the bigger man and considerably taller.
So how is it that Fedor as a heavyweight won solely because of his size while Anderson won based on his skills and talent? When you factor in that Fedor was fighting much bigger guys than himself while Anderson was fighting guys his own size or smaller?
Explain that f*cking sh*t to me with your bullsh*t P4P sh*t right now! Tell me how f*ckin' Fedor beat guys with his size while Anderson won with his talent using your so called P4P bullsh*t logic! Go ahead...Perhaps your Turban is Wrapped Tooooo TIGHTLY Lately, Cause your Thought Process has Been All Over the Road, Dog...

U just Highlighted a Quote where REED is Explaining the GENESIS of "Lb for Lb"...AGAIN, Back when the Term was Applied to Sugar Ray Robinson...

DUH!!!...


REED:hammert:

[Hanz]

The Mere FACT that U CAN'T Even Bring Yourself to CREDIT Floyd Mayweather even SLIGHTLY, SHITS on your Presumed "Knowledge" of this Topic, Not to Mention your "Holier than Thou" Attitude as it Pertains to MMA...

The FACT is, Floyd Mayweather is a MORE SKILLED Fighter than Wlad...Ditto for Manny Pac...Ditto for Miguel Cotto...

But NONE of them would Beat Wlad Head to Head, Cause he's Got a MASSIZE Size & Strength Advantage...

Not Sure WHY U're Sooo THREATENED by the Concept of "Lb for Lb", but it's Been Around Since BEFORE U were Here & It'll STILL B Here Looooooooong After your Bitter Ass has EXPIRED...



REED:bears:

How am I gonna go credit a fairy who retires when there are mounting challenges to his pussy ass? How you gonna credit that sh*t? That's like Fedor retiring tomorrow if Couture and Barnett are calling him out. That's like Anderson retiring with several of the best fighters at 205 calling him out. It's a bitch move and it needs to be addressed.
Fighters fight. Real fighters prove themselves against the best. Floyd fought jack sh*t for years. Who's he fought? He barely got by old man DLH in the most boring fight in ppv history. He beat up on little midget Hatton who can't do squat at 147. What before then? Sharmba Mitchell? Bumdomir? These are epic fights that people are gonna remember for years and years?
Gimme a f*ckin' break. Then the f*cker talks sh*t about MMA and how fighters are bums and goes back on his words when he gets called out. Dude has no integrity.
But I guess as long as he's this P4P king, it's all good. He retired cause he's yellow, he don't wanna fight no real fighters who are gonna come at him with real leather.

[Hanz]

The Mere FACT that U CAN'T Even Bring Yourself to CREDIT Floyd Mayweather even SLIGHTLY, SHITS on your Presumed "Knowledge" of this Topic, Not to Mention your "Holier than Thou" Attitude as it Pertains to MMA...

The FACT is, Floyd Mayweather is a MORE SKILLED Fighter than Wlad...Ditto for Manny Pac...Ditto for Miguel Cotto...

But NONE of them would Beat Wlad Head to Head, Cause he's Got a MASSIZE Size & Strength Advantage...

Not Sure WHY U're Sooo THREATENED by the Concept of "Lb for Lb", but it's Been Around Since BEFORE U were Here & It'll STILL B Here Looooooooong After your Bitter Ass has EXPIRED...



REED:bears:

I was watching MMA before it was MMA. 1991, I was watching this sh*t, ordering the ppvs, order f*ckin' shootwrestling matches, all that sh*t. I've seen the evolution of the sport. All these johnny come latelys like yourself talking sh*t like your the equivalent of Max Kellerman. You don't know sh*t. Typical UFC noobs gotten hooked on a crappy reality show.
Watching Fedor when he was a nobody back in 2000. Watching Anderson when he was struggling to make his name. Now you're gonna give me lip about being holier than thou?
Like I said, P4P is pointless, completely pointless. No room in this discussion for P4P anything. Leave that sh*t for boxing where bums like Chavez Jr and Fairyweather can do their thing, whacking out on scrubs and padding their records while the real fighters are walking around looking for a fight.

[REEDsART]

How am I gonna go credit a fairy who retires when there are mounting challenges to his pussy ass? How you gonna credit that sh*t? That's like Fedor retiring tomorrow if Couture and Barnett are calling him out. That's like Anderson retiring with several of the best fighters at 205 calling him out. It's a bitch move and it needs to be addressed.
Fighters fight. Real fighters prove themselves against the best. Floyd fought jack sh*t for years. Who's he fought? He barely got by old man DLH in the most boring fight in ppv history. He beat up on little midget Hatton who can't do squat at 147. What before then? Sharmba Mitchell? Bumdomir? These are epic fights that people are gonna remember for years and years?
Gimme a f*ckin' break. Then the f*cker talks sh*t about MMA and how fighters are bums and goes back on his words when he gets called out. Dude has no integrity.
But I guess as long as he's this P4P king, it's all good. He retired cause he's yellow, he don't wanna fight no real fighters who are gonna come at him with real leather.
Do YOURSELF a Favor...

Look @ the ENTIRETY of Floyd's Resume...Pay Attention to WHERE his Career Started...

Then, SHUTthefuckUP...

Just Because U DISlike Floyd, Doesn't Make U Right...In Fact, it Makes U LESS Inclined to OBJECTIVELY Assess him...

U're like a Bitch on her PERIOD...U SPECIALIZE in COMPLAINING...U Make the HO's on "Bridezilla" Seem TAME...If Floyd Mayweather UNretired Tomorrow & Beat Miguel Cotto, U'd STILL Bitch about Something...


REED:hammert:

[Hanz]

Do YOURSELF a Favor...

Look @ the ENTIRETY of Floyd's Resume...Pay Attention to WHERE his Career Started...

Then, SHUTthefuckUP...

Just Because U DISlike Floyd, Doesn't Make U Right...In Fact, it Makes U LESS Inclined to OBJECTIVELY Assess him...

U're like a Bitch on her PERIOD...U SPECIALIZE in COMPLAINING...U Make the HO's on "Bridezilla" Seem TAME...If Floyd Mayweather UNretired Tomorrow & Beat Miguel Cotto, U'd STILL Bitch about Something...


REED:hammert:

Just because you love him doesn't make you right either or any more objective. The fact that you can't stand Margarito because he's always called a spade a spade regarding your pussy hero's actions are obvious. I always noticed that throughout the years. You can keep sugarcoating it about how you hate Margarito cause he's overrated. The truth is, you hate him cause he disses your boy for being a bitch. We both know if your bitch hero got in there with Margarito, you'd be sh*tting yourself in front of the tv.

[*Z*]

Hanzy is correct. Floyd retired in his prime at the peak of his popularity. He has many more good years left and much more to prove at 147.

[TFK]

I was watching MMA before it was MMA. 1991, I was watching this sh*t, ordering the ppvs, order f*ckin' shootwrestling matches, all that sh*t.


Shootwrestling? You mean this stuff?


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I love how they say it's 'real', when it clearly is just as scripted as WWE.


TFK

[Hanz]

Shootwrestling? You mean this stuff?



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I love how they say it's 'real', when it clearly is just as scripted as WWE.


TFK

I have that on videotape still. That sh*t was pretty fun. Even Bad News Allen had a couple fights although he was old as hell. Not sure how much of it was scripted. They fought without gloves but closed fists weren't allowed, only open hand strikes.

[TFK]

I have that on videotape still. That sh*t was pretty fun. Even Bad News Allen had a couple fights although he was old as hell. Not sure how much of it was scripted. They fought without gloves but closed fists weren't allowed, only open hand strikes.


I had a black box back then, so I saw all of them. They were definitely works, it's been well reported. But for Pro Wrestling, it was pretty cool.


TFK

[Hanz]

I had a black box back then, so I saw all of them. They were definitely works, it's been well reported. But for Pro Wrestling, it was pretty cool.


TFK

For sure. I remember Glen Jacobs(Kane) having a worked 'shoot' match with a little strong japanese fellow back in the early 90s. The match was quite well done. It's probably on Youtube which is where I saw it.