Pacquiao camp asks for stiff fines for excess weight, wants a day-of weigh-in

[Mitchell Kane]

Oscar faces stiffer fine for excess pounds
By ABAC CORDERO
The Philippine Star

Manny Pacquiao will ask Oscar dela Hoya to shell out a little more than $750,000 for every pound in excess of the weight limit.

According to Pacquiao’s legal counsel, Franklin Gacal, $750,000 or a stagsgering P33 million may be too small an amount to keep Dela Hoya from weighing in heavier than the agreed limit.

The Pacquiao-Dela Hoya fight, if it happens, will be pegged at 147 lbs, and while the Golden Boy’s camp had expressed confidence that he can make the limit, the Pinoy camp will make sure he does.

“We’ve just decided that it (penalty) should be increased because $750,000 is peanuts for Oscar dela Hoya,” said Gacal during an on-line conversation with The STAR Sunday.

Gacal is in LA with Pacquiao who briefly joined the on-line chat. The web cam showed Pacquiao playing darts in the background as they spent the night inside his posh apartment unit.

“Oscar dela Hoya would be more than willing to pay $750,000 (per pound) and would come in at 150-plus during the weigh-in,” added Gacal who didn’t say how high the fine would be raised.

“The penalty will be commensurate to his (Dela Hoya) pocket,” said Gacal.

The fight, the last one for Dela Hoya, could be the biggest this year, and the Filipino superstar stands to receive no less than $10 million in guaranteed purse plus a share in pay-per-view sales.

But sources said Pacquiao wants more than that, and unconfirmed reports said Golden Boy might offer him $20 million straight up – with no more share in the pay-per-view sales.

“Negotiations are ongoing,” said Pacquiao who flies home Wednesday with his wife, Jinkee, and three kids. The day after, he leaves for the Beijing Olympics where he’ll carry the RP flag in the opening rites.

The Pacquiao camp is also asking for the weigh-in to be held on the day of the fight in a bid to deny Dela Hoya the chance to add up in weight before he climbs the ring against Pacquiao.

Dela Hoya has fought his last two fights at 150 lbs. while Pacquiao made his debut in the 135 lb division last June 28 and won the WBC crown.

When Pacquiao fought Erik Morales in January of 2006, a similar clause was stated in the contract, one that required the Mexican to shell out $250,000 for every pound in excess of the limit of 130 lbs.

In the third fight between Morales and Pacquiao, the penalty was increased to $500,000 if the Mexican weighed from 130.1 to 131 lbs, and to $1 million if he weighed more than 131 lbs.

On both occasions, Morales drained himself to make 130, and escape the penalty, but on both occasions, he lost – by knockout.

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[Mitchell Kane]

ARUM MEETS WITH SCHAEFER ON WEDNESDAY

By Ronnie Nathanielsz
PhilBoxing.com
Mon, 04 Aug 2008



Top Rank promoter Bob Arum meets with Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer in Los Angeles on Wednesday afternoon to move forward negotiations on the much-talked-about fight between Oscar De La Hoya and Filipino boxing icon Manny Pacquiao on December 6 in Las Vegas.


Arum spoke briefly with www.insidesports.ph from the Asian gambling capital of Macau where he and his wife are attending the 75th birthday celebration of the owner of the Venetian Resort Hotel and Casino, Sheldon Adelson.

Arum said he had met with Pacquiao in Las Vegas and “got directions” from Pacquiao but didn’t wish to reveal any details.

Pacquiao's business manager Eric Pineda who accompanied him to Las Vegas along with Pacquiao's lawyer Franklin "Jeng" Gacal and adviser Michael Koncz said they had presented a counter-proposal to Arum for transmittal to Schaefer at their scheduled meeting in LA.

Pineda who returned to Los Angeles from Las Vegas along with Pacquiao and his family told www.insidesports.ph that the talks were “still on-going.” He said Pacquiao's camp had submitted a counter-proposal to the blueprint from Golden Boy Promotions which Schaefer had submitted to Arum prior to leaving on an European vacation from which he returned last July 30.

Pineda said “we came out with what we want” which basically meant “just a matter of getting some of the numbers right.” He stressed that there was “not really” any major issues that need to be overcome and that “as far as we are concerned chances of the fight happening are around seventy percent.”

Meantime Pacquiao, in his regular column carried by philboxing.com clarified that his fight with De La Hoya will be "for all of boxing and for all the people who love the sport."

Responding to an earlier statement by De La Hoya in an exclusive interview with www.insidesports.ph that it was "personal" Pacquiao stressed that it was "also something personal because we have other things to settle with the Golden Boy."

Pacquiao did not specify but said "I know there are so many other things that need to get settled if and when our fight pushes through. What better way to do it than finish things on top of the ring."

Pacquiao said he was confident that Arum and Schaefer would agree to the conditions he had asked for because they were all proper. He added, "our fight with De La Hoya is more than personal to me, than it is for the money. It is for the honor of my family and my country. I am putting my honor at stake because of principles that guided my career ever since I started boxing."

Pineda said he will return to Manila on Tuesday to finalize the travel arrangements for Pacquiao’s trip to Beijing where he will be the Philippines flag-bearer in the colorful Olympic Games opening ceremony on August 8. Pacquiao, his charming wife Jinkee and their three kids are scheduled to arrive in Manila on Wednesday.

Pineda said Pacquiao and his family were having a wonderful time together “without too many people around him” and that they were returning to Pacquiao’s apartment after going to the Mall.

Pineda said Pacquiao was clearly enjoying “the rare moments being himself” as a husband and father.


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[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Manny Pac is asking for alot....

[Neil]

there is no way delahoya will agree to weigh in at 147lbs on the afternoon of the fight. maybe at an 8am weighin. even then I doubt he can make 47

[adamiw]

The Pacquiao camp is also asking for the weigh-in to be held on the day of the fight in a bid to deny Dela Hoya the chance to add up in weight before he climbs the ring against Pacquiao.

.....this demand is totally unreasonable.....there is a good reason why we have 24 hour weigh-ins......if Pacquaio wants to take a risk by taking on a welterweight, he should take on that risk in its entirety

[Neil]

when was the last time there has been a 24 hour weighin? they are usually at least 30+ hours and when was the last time delahoya fought at welterweight?

[Anthony]

Sounds good to me. Dela wants to fight a guy who starting boxing at 106 pounds. Same day as the fight weigh ins are good. We have all wanted that for a long time. I see no problem with it.

[*Z*]

Ridiculous fight. For Manny, I can totally understand why he'd take it. For Oscar, to make this fight is just plain wrong.

That would be like Tarver or Dawson calling trying to fight Oscar. It's such a ridiculous size difference it's just stupid.

[salaco]

:lol: The laughable negotiating positions only emphasise what a ridiculous circus this could be

[Hex-One]

Manny Pac is asking for alot....
I agree I don't think this fight is happening.

[Hex-One]

Ridiculous fight. For Manny, I can totally understand why he'd take it. For Oscar, to make this fight is just plain wrong.

That would be like Tarver or Dawson calling trying to fight Oscar. It's such a ridiculous size difference it's just stupid.


Agreed!

[Mitchell Kane]

:lol: The laughable negotiating positions only emphasise what a ridiculous circus this could be

Agreed.

Though Pac may be on to something...it's probably best that they don't let the public see them side by side until the day of the fight. :lol:

That way they avoid having pics of DLH dwarfing PacMan on the Friday TV/Saturday print news cycle.

[TFK]

I don't blame Pac for making the demands. But this is a retarded matchup. De La Hoya wants to fight a name, which Pac certainly is, but he wants to fight a name that he can beat, and the size difference should certainly assure that. And Pac is just agreeing to this fight to cash in on a duely deserved huge payday.

Make no mistake, right now, Pac is a much better fighter, pound for pound, then De La Hoya, but the weight difference is too much, and he's probably gonna get KO'd. Especially if the weigh in is the day before.

Shame on De La Hoya for making this fight.

TFK

[*Z*]

I hope Pac knocks Oscar out cold. I know it would damn near be a miracle if that happened but Oscar deserves it for making this fight.

I have never rooted against Oscar, I have always been a fan of his but not in this one. This is dirty!

[whiskey]

I hope that Pacquiao does not budge an inch when it comes to his demands.

Then maybe the fight won't come off.

[Baron]

This tells me Pac actually wants to win the fight, it's not only for the money. I can't believe how delusional he is. I think he needs an asswhiping.

[TFK]

This tells me Pac actually wants to win the fight, it's not only for the money. I can't believe how delusional he is. I think he needs an asswhiping.


I think it's more Pac not wanting another Gatti\Gamache fight. That fight ended Gamache's career.

TFK

[holler]

This tells me Pac actually wants to win the fight, it's not only for the money. I can't believe how delusional he is. I think he needs an asswhiping.

You gotta love a guy who's willing to give up so much in weight and size and still carry that sort of confidence in his ability! :cheer:

[Baron]

I think it's more Pac not wanting another Gatti\Gamache fight. That fight ended Gamache's career.

TFK

Well, he shouldn't look at Oscar then if he thinks he's too big. That fight is a fucking farce. Shame on both of them.

[Baron]

You gotta love a guy who's willing to give up so much in weight and size and still carry that sort of confidence in his ability! :cheer:

He's got so much confidence that he wants a same day weigh in. That's bullshit dude. As I said, shame on both of them.

[holler]

He's got so much confidence that he wants a same day weigh in. That's bullshit dude. As I said, shame on both of them.

Whats wrong with asking a guy to weigh in at 147 for a fight AT 147? :lol:

[LATIN KING]

Well, he shouldn't look at Oscar then if he thinks he's too big. That fight is a fucking farce. Shame on both of them.I agree! Both Pacquiao and Arum want the fight so people shouldn't act like it's only Oscar and Manny is being forced into this.

I rather see manny take an asswhipping than watch him in the ring with David Diaz, Valero, Soto or any other mismatch on his favor.

either way this fight with Oscar won't come off.

[Roll With The Punches]

might as well

this fight is a sideshow spectacle as it is...a few more stipulations can't hurt

[TFK]

Well, he shouldn't look at Oscar then if he thinks he's too big. That fight is a fucking farce. Shame on both of them.


I agree that the fight is a joke. But I can't blame Pac for wanting to cash in. If anyone deserves a huge payday, he does. And Oscar is his best, if not only chance to get it. He just wants to make sure he doesn't get hurt in the process.


TFK

[Baron]

Whats wrong with asking a guy to weigh in at 147 for a fight AT 147? :lol:

Are you a Pacquiao nuthugger or what? How much weight Pac gains between the weigh in and the fight?

Since when same days weigh in are the norm exactly?

[REEDsART]

REED Doesn't Blame ANYBODY for Signing the Dotted Line to Face DeLa...If DeLa "Called Out" Ivan Calderon, REED would EXPECT him to Sign IMMEDIATELY...

DeLa is Boxing's Version of the LOTTERY...Even for a Well Established, Popular, Rich BEYOND his Wildest Dreams, Future HOF'er like Pacquiao...

& Best Believe, Freddie Roach will Even HYPE Manny's Chances, Saying he Found "Weaknesses" they Could EXPLOIT N DeLa, while Training him for the Floyd Fight...

From DeLa's Perspective, this is THE WORST Possible Way for him to Ride Off N 2 the Sunset...Against a Sawed Off Former FLYWEIGHT??!!!:dunno:...

It just Go's to Show what a MANIPULATIVE Little BITCH he's Always Been...& Even though DeLa has a PLETHORA of Mega Fights, they've ALWAYS Occured when it was MOST Advantageous for him...

He'll Sell the Mainstream Fans HORSESHIT, Mentioning the "Mexican Assassin" Tag that Manny Pac has & How it's his Duty to Uphold the Honor of His People:boohoo:...

Yep, REED'll Watch it, but this Very Well Could B THE most MEANINGLESS "Big" Fight N History...

A 3rd Bout w/Sugar Shane would B MORE Meaningful...A Fight w/ANY World Ranked Welter or Jr. Middle would B MORE Meaningful...

Bottom Line, DeLa Should B ASHAMED of Himself...


REED:hammert:

[Anthony]

Are you a Pacquiao nuthugger or what? How much weight Pac gains between the weigh in and the fight?

Since when same days weigh in are the norm exactly?
Its not the norm, but when a fighter comes in 20 pounds over the weight and wins, everyone complains there should be a same day weigh in. Nothing wrong with what Pac is asking.

[holler]

Are you a Pacquiao nuthugger or what? How much weight Pac gains between the weigh in and the fight?

Since when same days weigh in are the norm exactly?

:lol: Damn dude chill. No need to get your panties in a knot.

I think DLH is an absolute pussy for trying to make this fight, but how can you blame Pac for being receptive to the idea when he will not only get a career high payday, but like you said Pac is crazy enough to think this fight is actually winnable for him. How could you NOT like that?

If you're willing to fight a guy who is naturally 20lbs or so heavier than you, then you better make damn sure that you can somehow turn that around and use that to your advantage.

[Nobleart]

Its not the norm, but when a fighter comes in 20 pounds over the weight and wins, everyone complains there should be a same day weigh in. Nothing wrong with what Pac is asking.


Pac can ask but Delahoya will tell him to go pound sand. Pac's got $20 Million reasons to just get in line and shut the fuck up.

It's a stupid fight but it will make tons of money. There's absolutely no upside for Dela outside of the money. Pac would be stupid not to take it, win or lose. It's Hoya's gift to him.

[Tyler Durden]

Pac is no RJJ.

[Anthony]

Pac can ask but Delahoya will tell him to go pound sand. Pac's got $20 Million reasons to just get in line and shut the fuck up.

It's a stupid fight but it will make tons of money. There's absolutely no upside for Dela outside of the money. Pac would be stupid not to take it, win or lose. It's Hoya's gift to him.
I disagree. there is a reason why Dela is looking for Pac. He doesnt want to fight anyone else.

[LATIN KING]

Isnt' Pacquiao #1 pfp? so Oscar would be fighting the best in the world right? just like he did when he fought Floyd:mj:

[Baron]

:lol: Damn dude chill. No need to get your panties in a knot.

I think DLH is an absolute pussy for trying to make this fight, but how can you blame Pac for being receptive to the idea when he will not only get a career high payday, but like you said Pac is crazy enough to think this fight is actually winnable for him. How could you NOT like that?

If you're willing to fight a guy who is naturally 20lbs or so heavier than you, then you better make damn sure that you can somehow turn that around and use that to your advantage.

They're both trying to rob us of our money with this joke of a fight. You're arrogant.

[*Z*]

They're both trying to rob us of our money with this joke of a fight. You're arrogant.


How can you blame Pac for taking the fight though. For the money he is going to make, I would sign to fight Wlad Klitschko tomorrow!

I blame Oscar, he's the bigger man calling out the smaller Pac. I didn't hear Pacman calling out Oscar ever.

[Baron]

How can you blame Pac for taking the fight though. For the money he is going to make, I would sign to fight Wlad Klitschko tomorrow!

I blame Oscar, he's the bigger man calling out the smaller Pac. I didn't hear Pacman calling out Oscar ever.You may be right, but Pac is pretty much pulling an Oscar on Oscar. I'm disgusted when De La Hoya does that, and I'm disgusted when Pac does that, even though I like him more. Pac has plenty of business around his weight. That fight is a joke, my friend.

[TKO]

I cant see this fight happening and there is no way Dela is fighting/weighing in at 147 he looked drained in the forbes fight and wasn't that at 150 ??

[Mitchell Kane]

I cant see this fight happening and there is no way Dela is fighting/weighing in at 147 he looked drained in the forbes fight and wasn't that at 150 ??

I really question how serious all of this is.

Trinidad should be considered above this debacle.

I can't believe I'd actually prefer DLH-Trinidad II to any fight, but I'd rather see that than DLH-Pacquiao.

Pacquiao has plenty of quality fights/opponents left, but if he gets the DLH payday (and likely beat down that comes with it) it could really cut short his career if not end it (at least at an elite level) and that would be a shame.

Trinidad and DLH deserve each other at this point.

Plus, Margarito-Cotto certainly made Mexico-Puerto Rico more main stream...they could continue the theme with American/Puerto Rican DLH and Puerto Rican Trinidad.

[TKO]

I really question how serious all of this is.

Trinidad should be considered above this debacle.

I can't believe I'd actually prefer DLH-Trinidad II to any fight, but I'd rather see that than DLH-Pacquiao.

Pacquiao has plenty of quality fights/opponents left, but if he gets the DLH payday (and likely beat down that comes with it) it could really cut short his career if not end it (at least at an elite level) and that would be a shame.

Trinidad and DLH deserve each other at this point.

Plus, Margarito-Cotto certainly made Mexico-Puerto Rico more main stream...they could continue the theme with American/Puerto Rican DLH and Puerto Rican Trinidad.

Manny would be crazy to fight Dela, it will all end in tears for him and as you say there are plenty of fights at lightweight for the Pac.

Oscar should go after Cotto or Margarito at a delaweight.

[*Z*]

You may be right, but Pac is pretty much pulling an Oscar on Oscar. I'm disgusted when De La Hoya does that, and I'm disgusted when Pac does that, even though I like him more. Pac has plenty of business around his weight. That fight is a joke, my friend.

I totally agree man, it's a joke and I hope it doesn't happen.

Maybe Oscar should just fight Pavlik lol

[Nobleart]

Manny would be crazy to fight Dela, it will all end in tears for him and as you say there are plenty of fights at lightweight for the Pac.

Oscar should go after Cotto or Margarito at a delaweight.


Manny would be crazy not to fight him. It would take him 10 years to make the same money fighting around his division as he would make fighting Hoya once.

1 beating now or several over the next 10 years. Which would you take?

[*Z*]

Manny would be crazy not to fight him. It would take him 10 years to make the same money fighting around his division as he would make fighting Hoya once.

1 beating now or several over the next 10 years. Which would you take?


That's what I'm saying. It's too much money to refuse. Like I said, I'd fight any man on the planet tomorrow if I was offered that much money. You just can't say no to that much money.

[whiskey]

That's what I'm saying. It's too much money to refuse. Like I said, I'd fight any man on the planet tomorrow if I was offered that much money. You just can't say no to that much money.


What if that man was ......

not an average man!?

[*Z*]

What if that man was ......

not an average man!?

Animal, man, woman, manbearpig I don't care. Show me the money! :mj:

[puerto rock]

Oscar is such a pussy. He always does this. He takes a big fight when he thinks its most advantegous to him. What he needs to do is man up and either fight Margarito, or move up to 165 and fight Trinidad and call it a career. This fight is such a farce and casual fans don't know any better so they'll eat it all up. I dont know how anybody could root for Oscar anymore. His last 2 fights in his career against small guys that never previously fought at welterweight. He must know he's washed up.

[Nobleart]

One thing can't be denied.

Jim Lampley's going to be all dried out from the copious orgasming he's going to be experiencing from all the missed combos Oscar and Pacman are going to be throwing at each other.

:hump:

[Hex-One]

One thing can't be denied.

Jim Lampley's going to be all dried out from the copious orgasming he's going to be experiencing from all the missed combos Oscar and Pacman are going to be throwing at each other.

:hump:
:lol:

[TKO]

That's what I'm saying. It's too much money to refuse. Like I said, I'd fight any man on the planet tomorrow if I was offered that much money. You just can't say no to that much money.

Even this man.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q108/MartyWalker/fedor.jpg

[*Z*]

For 20 million, damn right. I'd take a good beating for that money!

[D MAN]

:lol: The laughable negotiating positions only emphasise what a ridiculous circus this could be

This is what boxing is all about.

[Rainmaker]

I am a big fan of Pacman but Delahoya would brutalize him. Early in his career Delahoya used to crush the opponents that were smaller than him. He will just beat the shit out of Pacquiao untill he brutally knocks him out.