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Hex-One
08-29-2008, 09:02 PM
Via Fightnews!:



B-Hop trainer stuns Pavlik fans!
Nazim Richardson, chief trainer of Bernard Hopkins, played the psyche game perfectly when he asked hundreds of Kelly Pavlik fans at a Youngstown pep rally "....look at all of you and all of the nice signs and posters...but are you still going to love Kelly after the fight? Will you show the same affection for Kelly after Bernard is through with him on October 18? I really hope you do, but I am not sure." The big hometown crowd jeered and booed. Richardson laughed it off and returned to his seat on the dais. Hopkins stated, "Let me make one thing perfectly clear. See if you can comprehend this: I am the greatest defensive fighter of our era. I win fights I am not supposed to win. Pavlik is great, but I don't think he's a Felix Trinidad and I beat him." Jack Loew, chief trainer for Pavlik said "there's a lot of talk coming from their side. The truth is, we have the best middleweight champ and best fighter in the world in Kelly Pavlik." ...Pavlik vs. Hopkins is scheduled Oct 18 at the Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J. Caesars Atlantic City is hosting.


I can't stand Hopkins but I'm picking him to school Pavlik in a surprisingly easy fight.

:kick:

Xplosive
08-29-2008, 09:12 PM
Hop will purely be trying to survive in this fight.

ILLUMINATI
08-29-2008, 09:46 PM
I hate this fight for PAVLIK....but i like the fight and will probably order if it's on PPV...

Hopkins could very well beat Pavlik...
or
Pavlik might be the first to KO HOPKINS...


I'm going with Hopkins by Decision or late TKO...:doh:

Hex-One
08-29-2008, 10:03 PM
I hate this fight for PAVLIK....but i like the fight and will probably order if it's on PPV...

Hopkins could very well beat Pavlik...
or
Pavlik might be the first to KO HOPKINS...


I'm going with Hopkins by Decision or late TKO...:doh:

I agree. Hopkins is going to expose allot of Pavlik's flaws. I won't count out Hopkins in this one!

panchyprsss
08-29-2008, 10:43 PM
Are you out of your mind? Hopkins is a senior citizen now. He will be in survival mode all night. He will probably manage to finish on his feet on a one-sided unanimous decision for Pavlik.

dsimon3387
08-29-2008, 11:16 PM
dsimon writes;

You guys think very little of Pavlik. I mean the guy isn't smoke and mirrors... he isn't chopped liver ya know!

Hopkins is great and I thnk he beat Joe by landing the better punches but Pavlik is solid enough to win the way they said Jermaine did.

Free Ike
08-29-2008, 11:31 PM
What an insult to Pavlik. Pavlik is already more accomplished than Trinfraud. At least, Kelly faced the best he could and won. Anyway, ARUM is done. Pavlik is one of my current favorites but he isn't that great. I think Hopkins might win. I'd favor Hopkins actually.

Pascals Wager
08-29-2008, 11:34 PM
Hops will win the ring-generalship battle & land more clean shots.
However Pavlik will win the fight based on being more agressive, & throwing more punches, which people will prefer, as they will think that Hops will be stinking.

Unless Hops grows really old for this fight, I see Pavlik as too slow & easy to counter, and Hops as too crafty to get hit with consecutive punches, & having too good of a chin to get stopped by one shot.
So IMO Pav won't stop him.

We also saw how Joe's amazing workrate got dramatically affected by Hops.
I think this will be a very close fight, with Hops controling the pace, countering & avoiding getting hit by consecutive shots, probably landing the cleaner blows, but a very controvesial dec win for Pav based on agressiveness, throwing more punches & the fact that people are sick of Hops and see him as a "stinker" (which he is now).

Free Ike
08-29-2008, 11:54 PM
Hops will win the ring-generalship battle & land more clean shots.
However Pavlik will win the fight based on being more agressive, & throwing more punches, which people will prefer, as they will think that Hops will be stinking.

Unless Hops grows really old for this fight, I see Pavlik as too slow & easy to counter, and Hops as too crafty to get hit with consecutive punches, & having too good of a chin to get stopped by one shot.
So IMO Pav won't stop him.

We also saw how Joe's amazing workrate got dramatically affected by Hops.
I think this will be a very close fight, with Hops controling the pace, countering & avoiding getting hit by consecutive shots, probably landing the cleaner blows, but a very controvesial dec win for Pav based on agressiveness, throwing more punches & the fact that people are sick of Hops and see him as a "stinker" (which he is now).

Exactly. People don't understand how hard it is to fight someone who does not want to fight. They make comments like Pea made DLH look bad and other nonsense. I actually think Pavlik will be so disgusted with Hopkins' emasculated style he will shut down. I can't believe Arum signed this fight. He must hate Pavlik. I can't think of a matchup that could be worse for boxing.Hopkins is terrible on the eyes.If Kelly doesn't kayo Hopkins it is a loss. If he loses, he is done as a superstar. He will never recover and he could lose rather easily.

cupey alto
08-30-2008, 12:01 AM
if B-Hops wins I see a rematch with Tito in the works

valdosta
08-30-2008, 12:06 AM
Hopkins isn't going to win. I don't know what some of you are watching. "Unless Hopkins looks old blah,blah,blah", Hopkins looked fucking horrible in his last fight and IS old. His timining,accuracy and stamina all looked like shit.

Pascals Wager
08-30-2008, 12:18 AM
Hopkins isn't going to win. I don't know what some of you are watching. "Unless Hopkins looks old blah,blah,blah", Hopkins looked fucking horrible in his last fight and IS old. His timining,accuracy and stamina all looked like shit.
Pretty impressive to give Calzaghe his closest fight, & knock him down, (even though he did show his bitch side), not to mention, widely UD Winky, & shutout RJJ's daddy with shit timing/accuracy.
Hops is a stinker, but he's hard to beat.

valdosta
08-30-2008, 12:36 AM
I didn't see Hopkins-Calzaghe as being that close. I had Calzaghe winning 8 rounds. Robin Reid and Kessler both won as many or more rounds against Calzaghe. Either way after the first 3 rounds Hopkins looked absolutely horrible. There's not "getting old", he's already there and it more than shows.

Neil
08-30-2008, 01:22 AM
rubbish matchup.

LATIN KING
08-30-2008, 01:47 AM
I don't know why people are bitching about this fight.

You have to consider the alternatives. I rather watch Pavlik against Hopkins because there is some level of challenge even if it's not that watchable.

Instead of watching Pavlik destroy Locket, possibly Rubio or hell Arum even considered Mayorga to fight Pavlik. All those fights are meaningless and stupid.

Beating Hopkins still means something. Not to mention if Pavlik manages to KO Hopkins something nobody has done.

jarhead
08-30-2008, 02:16 AM
I don't know why people are bitching about this fight.

You have to consider the alternatives. I rather watch Pavlik against Hopkins because there is some level of challenge even if it's not that watchable.

Instead of watching Pavlik destroy Locket, possibly Rubio or hell Arum even considered Mayorga to fight Pavlik. All those fights are meaningless and stupid.

Beating Hopkins still means something. Not to mention if Pavlik manages to KO Hopkins something nobody has done.


Well said and I agree.

I see Hop trying to look slick in this fight, and when he tastes a straight right from Pavlik, we will see him go into survival mode and try to stink out the fight. Pavlik's youth, hunger, and a little bit of anger will win this fight for him.

MassaCure
08-30-2008, 02:23 AM
why is knock out an option, when is the last time we have even seen hops in trouble of being knocked out, kelly isnt that good of a fighter

REEDsART
08-30-2008, 02:54 AM
Some of Ya'll R UNDERESTIMATING How TOUGH, AGGRESSIVE & PERSISTENT Pavlik Is...

U're Also MINIMIZING how BAD Bernard Looked N his Fights w/Winky & Calzaghe...

Sorry, but Bernard LOOKs & FIGHTS like he's IN his 40's these Days...It's MOST Telling N his WORKRATE...Bernard CAN'T Throw Alot of Shots Anymore...

Pavlik will FORCE Bernard to Throw MORE than he Wants to Early OR Spend Time CATCHING Shots...& if Bernard is Doing that, he's in TROUBLE...

Pavlik WON'T B Deterred by Counters, Movement or even a Knockdown or 2...It's Gonna Take EVERYTHING Bernard Can Muster to Stay AWAY from or Keep Pavlik OFF of Him...

REED likes Pavlik by a LATE Stoppage (11th or 12th Round) or a UD...



REED:hammert:

Free Ike
08-30-2008, 03:01 AM
Some of Ya'll R UNDERESTIMATING How TOUGH, AGGRESSIVE & PERSISTENT Pavlik Is...

U're Also MINIMIZING how BAD Bernard Looked N his Fights w/Winky & Calzaghe...

Sorry, but Bernard LOOKs & FIGHTS like he's IN his 40's these Days...It's MOST Telling N his WORKRATE...Bernard CAN'T Throw Alot of Shots Anymore...

Pavlik will FORCE Bernard to Throw MORE than he Wants to Early OR Spend Time CATCHING Shots...& if Bernard is Doing that, he's in TROUBLE...

Pavlik WON'T B Deterred by Counters, Movement or even a Knockdown or 2...It's Gonna Take EVERYTHING Bernard Can Muster to Stay AWAY from or Keep Pavlik OFF of Him...

REED likes Pavlik by a LATE Stoppage (11th or 12th Round) or a UD...



REED:hammert:
I don't think Pavlik is good. I honestly was shocked that he beat JT and I didn't think he was super good either. Don't get me wrong. I think Pavlik and Pacquiao are 1 and 1a my favorite fighters. I think of Pavlik as more exciting than good. That is why I think Bhop has a chance. Pavlik is much worse than Winky and Calzaghe imo.

LATIN KING
08-30-2008, 03:11 AM
why is knock out an option, when is the last time we have even seen hops in trouble of being knocked out, kelly isnt that good of a fighter
not because it's likely to happen.

More because Hopkins is old, looks old and Pavliks' best chance is a KO. Pavlik is not gonna outbox or outsmart Hopkins. His best chance is a KO.

valdosta
08-30-2008, 03:14 AM
Pavlik actually throws punches, it's not like he can't win a decision. Hopkins isn't real hard to outwork. He can only fight about 1 minute a round now.

Free Ike
08-30-2008, 03:15 AM
why is knock out an option, when is the last time we have even seen hops in trouble of being knocked out, kelly isnt that good of a fighter

I agree. Kelly is exciting but he isn't good. He is tough and fun to watch but I don't see it. It doesn't mean he isn't. I just don't see it.

REEDsART
08-30-2008, 03:15 AM
I don't think Pavlik is good. I honestly was shocked that he beat JT and I didn't think he was super good either. Don't get me wrong. I think Pavlik and Pacquiao are 1 and 1a my favorite fighters. I think of Pavlik as more exciting than good. That is why I think Bhop has a chance. Pavlik is much worse than Winky and Calzaghe imo.
Well, Some of the More ASTUTE Fightbeaters KNEW of Pavlik's Prowess WELL N Advance...

Personally, REED's Been a Fan Since he DESTROYED Dorian Beaupierre on Shobox, Several Years Ago...

REED Started a Kelly Pavlik Bandwagon PRIOR to Pavlik MANHANDLING Edison Miranda, when even HBO was HYPING Miranda...THEN, REED Predicted THE EXACTfuckingROUND that Pavlik would KO Jermain Taylor...REED did this via Article AND the Fightbeat Radio Show...REED Even Said he WOULDN'T B Surprised if Taylor Hurt or Dropped Pavlik N the Process...

Point is, Kelly Pavlik is VERY Good...His Only Weaknesses R his LACK of SPEED & DEFENSE...But he Makes Up For it w/PRESSURE, TIMING & a HIGH Workrate...

Calzaghe Never HURT Hopkins, but his WORKRATE KEPT Bernard Defensive...Pavlik Will Bring the SAME Volume of Punches, Only he'll B MORE Aggressive N his Delivery...

PRIME Bernard Hopkins would UNANIMOUSLY Beat Pavlik OR Stop him Late...But TODAY's Version of Bernard is Waaaaaaaaaay Toooooooo DEFENSIVE Minded to Cope w/a YOUNG, STRONG, AGGRESSIVE, HARD Volume Punching Guy like Pavlik...

UNLIKE the Calzaghe Fight, Bernard WON'T B Feeling BitchSlaps...He'll B Feeling POWERFUL Right Crosses, Left Jabs AND Left Hooks...

Pavlik is a GOOD Boxer, but Again, his SPEED & DEFENSE Detract from his Skillset...



REED:hammert:

Free Ike
08-30-2008, 03:19 AM
Well, Some of the More ASTUTE Fightbeaters KNEW of Pavlik's Prowess WELL N Advance...

Personally, REED's Been a Fan Since he DESTROYED Dorian Beaupierre on Shobox, Several Years Ago...

REED Started a Kelly Pavlik Bandwagon PRIOR to Pavlik MANHANDLING Edison Miranda, when even HBO was HYPING Miranda...THEN, REED Predicted THE EXACTfuckingROUND that Pavlik would KO Jermain Taylor...REED did this via Article AND the Fightbeat Radio Show...REED Even Said he WOULDN'T B Surprised if Taylor Hurt or Dropped Pavlik N the Process...

Point is, Kelly Pavlik is VERY Good...His Only Weaknesses R his LACK of SPEED & DEFENSE...But he Makes Up For it w/PRESSURE, TIMING & a HIGH Workrate...

Calzaghe Never HURT Hopkins, but his WORKRATE KEPT Bernard Defensive...Pavlik Will Bring the SAME Volume of Punches, Only he'll B MORE Aggressive N his Delivery...

PRIME Bernard Hopkins would UNANIMOUSLY Beat Pavlik OR Stop him Late...But TODAY's Version of Bernard is Waaaaaaaaaay Toooooooo DEFENSIVE Minded to Cope w/a YOUNG, STRONG, AGGRESSIVE, HARD Volume Punching Guy like Pavlik...

UNLIKE the Calzaghe Fight, Bernard WON'T B Feeling BitchSlaps...He'll B Feeling POWERFUL Right Crosses, Left Jabs AND Left Hooks...

Pavlik is a GOOD Boxer, but Again, his SPEED & DEFENSE Detract from his Skillset...



REED:hammert:

Perhaps. Pavlik just seems so simple to me. It could be the case that he is one of those guys that looks easy to beat but isn't. I always thought he could crack. I remember lauging at people saying Miranda hit harder than Pavlik. I knew he had power starting with the Beaupierre as well. Btw, I hope Pavlik stops Bernard and hurts him so he never fights again.

REEDsART
08-30-2008, 03:27 AM
Perhaps. Pavlik just seems so simple to me. It could be the case that he is one of those guys that looks easy to beat but isn't. I always thought he could crack. I remember lauging at people saying Miranda hit harder than Pavlik. I knew he had power starting with the Beaupierre as well. Btw, I hope Pavlik stops Bernard and hurts him so he never fights again.
agREED...

Kelly Pavlik is BASIC...Left Jabs, Right Cross when he's Close, Left Hook Behind it...Uppercuts or MORE Hooks from There...

But Pavlik is Basic N a GOOD Way...When Executed WELL, Boxing ISN'T Complicated...That's Kelly Pavlik N a Nutshell...

Some Fighters, like DeLa for Instance, have Spent their ENTIRE CAREERS Stuck N btwn Styles...w/Pavlik, there's NO Such Issues...He's Gonna DO what he's Done Until Somebody MAKES him Do Something Different...

& Bernard Hopkins ISN'T that Guy...Not @ this Stage of his Career, Anyways...


REED:mj:

pug
08-30-2008, 03:50 AM
At first I really couldnt get into this fight because I am growing tired of Hopkins fighting for a few rounds, then not fighting the rest of the fight and then bitching about the scores.
That is until Delahoya announced his fight with Pacquiao:lol:
Then I realized that this wasnt as bad as I thought.
Hopkins will be very game early but if he doesnt KO Pavlik within 2-3 rounds I see Kelly taking it.
Hopkins will always be a fighter, but he is NOT a 12 round fighter anymore.

ElTerriblee
08-30-2008, 06:56 AM
I think I´ll bet a a little on a DQ ending. The odds will be off the charts and Hopkins already showed aganst Calzaghe, that he´ll do everything not to get KTFO, including faking low blows. When Pavlik is about to take his exhausted old butt out around the 8th/9th round, he´ll throw Pavlik out of the ring, bite him, knee him in the groin, lowblow him five times or some shit like that.

mexican wedding shirt
08-30-2008, 07:59 AM
Kelly Pavlik is sort of basic, but I question how much you know about the game if you think he is THAT basic.

He is basic in a good way, a solid 1 - 2 fighter, with patience, poise, accuracy, timing, a good punch arsenal, and power.

He also paces himself very well, knows what punch to throw at what time, parries and counters very well.

He's a technically good fighter. Technically better than Taylor for example, who has some talent, but is generally a jittery mess.

It was Kelly's sound, technical - albeit basic - boxing that enabled him to beat Taylor twice.

He is the modern day King Carlos.

meetthefeebles
08-30-2008, 08:09 AM
Kelly Pavlik is sort of basic, but I question how much you know about the game if you think he is THAT basic.

He is basic in a good way, a solid 1 - 2 fighter, with patience, poise, accuracy, timing, a good punch arsenal, and power.

He also paces himself very well, knows what punch to throw at what time, parries and counters very well.

He's a technically good fighter. Technically better than Taylor for example, who has some talent, but is generally a jittery mess.

It was Kelly's sound, technical - albeit basic - boxing that enabled him to beat Taylor twice.

He is the modern day King Carlos.

Agreed...and I can't see Hopkins doing anything bar trying to survive against him. He's too damn old and his workrate is tiny now

MTF

Baron
08-30-2008, 09:00 AM
I didn't see Hopkins-Calzaghe as being that close. I had Calzaghe winning 8 rounds. Robin Reid and Kessler both won as many or more rounds against Calzaghe. Either way after the first 3 rounds Hopkins looked absolutely horrible. There's not "getting old", he's already there and it more than shows.
Agreed. Unless I absolutely overrate Pavlik, he should win rather convincingly.

MassaCure
08-30-2008, 11:53 AM
Well, Some of the More ASTUTE Fightbeaters KNEW of Pavlik's Prowess WELL N Advance...

Personally, REED's Been a Fan Since he DESTROYED Dorian Beaupierre on Shobox, Several Years Ago...

REED Started a Kelly Pavlik Bandwagon PRIOR to Pavlik MANHANDLING Edison Miranda, when even HBO was HYPING Miranda...THEN, REED Predicted THE EXACTfuckingROUND that Pavlik would KO Jermain Taylor...REED did this via Article AND the Fightbeat Radio Show...REED Even Said he WOULDN'T B Surprised if Taylor Hurt or Dropped Pavlik N the Process...

Point is, Kelly Pavlik is VERY Good...His Only Weaknesses R his LACK of SPEED & DEFENSE...But he Makes Up For it w/PRESSURE, TIMING & a HIGH Workrate...

Calzaghe Never HURT Hopkins, but his WORKRATE KEPT Bernard Defensive...Pavlik Will Bring the SAME Volume of Punches, Only he'll B MORE Aggressive N his Delivery...

PRIME Bernard Hopkins would UNANIMOUSLY Beat Pavlik OR Stop him Late...But TODAY's Version of Bernard is Waaaaaaaaaay Toooooooo DEFENSIVE Minded to Cope w/a YOUNG, STRONG, AGGRESSIVE, HARD Volume Punching Guy like Pavlik...

UNLIKE the Calzaghe Fight, Bernard WON'T B Feeling BitchSlaps...He'll B Feeling POWERFUL Right Crosses, Left Jabs AND Left Hooks...

Pavlik is a GOOD Boxer, but Again, his SPEED & DEFENSE Detract from his Skillset...



REED:hammert:

whats that mean, i picked him to ko taylor as well, and i still think hes not a great fighter.

IMDAZED
08-30-2008, 02:27 PM
Hopkins sounds a little delusional there but I applaud his willingness to fight the best, even as an old man. Good for him. I'm hoping maybe Jones for the finale and then he should hang em up. I never was a true fan but he has my utmost respect.

That said, I sure hope he knows what he's doing. Yeah, Pavlik's gonna miss a lot of shots but if Hops is gassed in the latter rounds he's going to sleep. Will Pavlik be better at 170? I don't know and I don't know how his face will react to Hopkins' pinpoint counters. He could get busted up. Still, it's a great fight. Not PPV-worthy though.

Free Ike
08-30-2008, 06:45 PM
I think I´ll bet a a little on a DQ ending. The odds will be off the charts and Hopkins already showed aganst Calzaghe, that he´ll do everything not to get KTFO, including faking low blows. When Pavlik is about to take his exhausted old butt out around the 8th/9th round, he´ll throw Pavlik out of the ring, bite him, knee him in the groin, lowblow him five times or some shit like that.

You know what. You are right. I change my pick. Hopkins will quit by throwing Kelly out of the ring. Bernard thE Cockroach Hopkins will find a way out without getting ktfo.

LOK
08-30-2008, 10:26 PM
remember I picked Hops to drop Calzaga 5 times and stop him in embarassing fashion

I am picking Pavlik to STOP Bernard in around the 10-11th round.. That's how much I think of Pavlik

Free Ike
08-30-2008, 10:42 PM
remember I picked Hops to drop Calzaga 5 times and stop him in embarassing fashion

I am picking Pavlik to STOP Bernard in around the 10-11th round.. That's how much I think of Pavlik

You may have just ended Pavlik's career. Please pick Hopkins.

panchyprsss
08-30-2008, 10:48 PM
You may have just ended Pavlik's career. Please pick Hopkins.
:atu:

Hex-One
08-30-2008, 11:50 PM
You may have just ended Pavlik's career. Please pick Hopkins.
:lol:

Joe King
08-31-2008, 12:56 AM
You may have just ended Pavlik's career. Please pick Hopkins.
:laughing:

LOK
08-31-2008, 12:59 AM
You may have just ended Pavlik's career. Please pick Hopkins.


nice try ikey boy but i have been dead on lately while you chose Cotto to whup marg:lol: how did it feel when your mental Jerkoff fantasi Cotto got rocked and stopped?

Joe King
08-31-2008, 01:02 AM
nice try ikey boy but i have been dead on lately while you chose Cotto to whup marg:lol: how did it feel when your mental Jerkoff fantasi Cotto got rocked and stopped?
Well, if you're right, Hopkins will have really been beaten by a "white boy".

Free Ike
08-31-2008, 01:02 AM
nice try ikey boy but i have been dead on lately while you chose Cotto to whup marg:lol: how did it feel when your mental Jerkoff fantasi Cotto got rocked and stopped?

WTF are you talking about. I don't care if you pick 10 fights in a row. Your prediction accuracy is less that 10%. To put that in perspective, you could give 2 chimps some Johnny Walker Green and have them pick figters randomly and they would score somewhere around 33% or near chance. You and Double L are amazing in a very bad way. :laughing::laughing:

ChrisKen77
08-31-2008, 11:49 PM
Where does all this "Kelly Pavlik isn't very good" shit come from? Based on what? Yeah, he's not the hardest target to find & he keeps things very simple with an assortment of "basic - boxing 101" punches. But in the words of Iron Mike "He hits like a fuckin' mule kick" & has a good workrate. He's an above-average finisher & has what seems to be at least a decent chin. Marvin Hagler he's not, but I wouldn't say he's not very good.

With that said, this honky is gonna have his hands full with Hopkins. I like his willingness to fight whoever is placed in front of him, but damn Bernard can be a money killer. Pavlik's lack of pigment should get him some big-money paydays in the future, but they won't come right away after he gets "Hopkinsed." No matter how good your ass is, the mythical aura is sure to be gone after 12 hard-on-the-eyes rounds with Nard.

I'm pulling for Pavlik to win this fight for two reasons. One, to finally be the guy to definitively beat Hopkins & send him to the retirement home that is promotion. And two, go overseas & whip that Welsh slappers ass all over his homeland, making the heavy-handed middleweight "sexy" again...

bigdawg
09-01-2008, 12:03 AM
I don't give a fuck Hopkins is muthafuken 43 years old. The dude is old as shit and fights old. I don't think B-Hop gets stopped but this is an easy victory for Pavlik. I'll Holla 5000

steve_dave
09-01-2008, 04:03 AM
I don't give a fuck Hopkins is muthafuken 43 years old. The dude is old as shit and fights old. I don't think B-Hop gets stopped but this is an easy victory for Pavlik. I'll Holla 5000

Yeah, I'm going on the assumption that Hopkins is finally old. I think I'm going with Pavlik big.