IandI's Little Yellow Bus ... Put on your crash helmet and come on in!

[I and I]

Yeah that's right, if twist and turn couldn't twist anymore, the republicans and on republican radio the talk is of the republicans being the guys sticking up for america and the congress at fault for wanting to rush through the bailout plan. The main people proposing the bailout plan are republican appointees who used to work for the very corporations they want to help bail out.
Republicans limit oversight which lead to the situation, republicans have protected large corporations and proposed tax cuts for the same corporations, yet they turn it around to make it seem like it's the democrats fault for the bailout plan.

WHAT THE MOTHER FUCK?????

Did the democrats force repuclicans to swallow corporate cum all these years and did they force bush and company to propose a bail out plan???

[I and I]

I love how McCain calls it success when he proposed a plan (B) that had to cover for his failed plan (A) then tried to pass it off as good judgement.

:hammert:

Failed policy, LYING about WMD, LYING about alqueda connections to hussein, FAILED STRATEGY in the invasion of iraq, WAR CRIME, failed logisitcal strategy in troops and dealing with insurgents, failed, reliance on faulty assumptions of what the culture of the people in the country were.

FAIL FAIL FAIL.

Then McCain makes a johnny come lately decision that should have been made earlier, this decision is designed to wipe the cum off the bush administrations face from a FAILED policy in Iraq.

And of course, it wasn't the surge that limited U.S. casualties anyway.

[TFK]

You're so smart. I wish You were our president.

TFK

[I and I]

You're so smart. I wish You were our president.

TFK


And the policies that McCains supported in Iraq FAILURE

[PetreTG]

Yeah that's right, if twist and turn couldn't twist anymore, the republicans and on republican radio the talk is of the republicans being the guys sticking up for america and the congress at fault for wanting to rush through the bailout plan. The main people proposing the bailout plan are republican appointees who used to work for the very corporations they want to help bail out.
Republicans limit oversight which lead to the situation, republicans have protected large corporations and proposed tax cuts for the same corporations, yet they turn it around to make it seem like it's the democrats fault for the bailout plan.

WHAT THE MOTHER FUCK?????

Did the democrats force repuclicans to swallow corporate cum all these years and did they force bush and company to propose a bail out plan???

Are you drunk? Cause that rambling POS post made no sense and you should stick to what you know best , which is nothing.

This crap could have easily been ignored in one of the many other threads on the subject.

CLOSED

[I and I]

http://www.mediamouse.org/features/072007michi.php

Here is the story about him and who all he works for.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/17/151257/047/916/438430




http://www.phenry.org/ronpaul/michigancontacts.html

Whats that? he is on the list of coordinates and contacts for ron pauls campaign in michigan.

MMMMMMM SMELLS LIKE A REPUBLICAN.

[I and I]

ONE OF RON PAULS CAMPAIGN MEMBERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TRBb_zBgZM

Good Ole Randy Gray, ass buddy of Ron Paul.

[I and I]

:atu:

:hammert:

Well, I think we know from past experience and the most recent need for a govt bail out. Ron Paul, McTraitor, and Bush, all members of the same party who pretend to be different from one another, so different that they ARE MEMBERS OF THE SAME FUCKING PARTY, have all worked for and succeeded in deregulating the markets, limiting oversight etc and have all expoused the complete bullshit view that deregulation is a good thing.

WELL it looks like once again the republicans have cum on their face, we can add "deregulation" to another one of many of their bullshit theories and doesn't work.

Anyone here still support the ron john bush bullshit view that deregulation is a good thing???

[I and I]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9pnzQ96kWA

:hammert:


I

FUCKIN

LOVE IT

[Joe King]

Can you tell me what Dick Cheney did for the past 8 years?

[monkeystyle]

What chu talkin bout?

[I and I]

What chu talkin bout?

The bullshit claim that deregulation in the markets is a good thing.

[I and I]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O81pzLUuU70&feature=related

[Joe King]

It must be true, it's on youtube. This is edited footage of McCain and the female reporter who was covering him, not Palin.

[I and I]

It must be true, it's on youtube. This is edited footage of McCain and the female reporter who was covering him, not Palin.


Yeah, it's not like McCain to cheat on his wife with a younger woman....

[Joe King]

Yeah, it's not like McCain to cheat on his wife with a younger woman....

Or Bill Clinton

[TFK]

What would InI possibly know about pussy, other than he never gets any?


TFK

[I and I]

Or Bill Clinton

The difference is the republicans actually put on a facade of purity and integrity, while cheating on their wives with men in restrooms or male hookers in hotel rooms, this makes it alot more funnier when a pompous holier than thou prick does it.

[I and I]

What would InI possibly know about pussy, other than he never gets any?


TFK

Your republican boyfriend is waiting for you in stall number 4

[TFK]

Your republican boyfriend is waiting for you in stall number 4

...typed InI with a raging hard-on.


TFK

[PetreTG]

Can you tell me what Dick Cheney did for the past 8 years?

IandI wouldn't know shit if someone crapped in his mouth.

[I and I]

IandI wouldn't know shit if someone crapped in his mouth.

there goes petre "NOT SUPPORTING" wink wink: the mccain palin ticket.


REPUBLICANS, gotta love em. :hammert:

[I and I]

Can you tell me what Dick Cheney did for the past 8 years?


Torture, war criminal, spying on americans, huge spending, deregulating the economy (THAT WAS FANTASTIC):lol: lying to americans, limiting americans rights, all the normal shit that republicrats do.

[LOK]

have cum on their face,


:lol:

i like your choice of words here.. even though I'm more republican, I gotta give you credit for the language used:bears:

[Joe King]

Torture, war criminal, spying on americans, huge spending, deregulating the economy (THAT WAS FANTASTIC):lol: lying to americans, limiting americans rights, all the normal shit that republicrats do.

Cool. Cheney earned his check! It's better than Obama who was paid to run for President:doh:

[slystaff]

there goes petre "NOT SUPPORTING" wink wink: the mccain palin ticket.


REPUBLICANS, gotta love em. :hammert:hahaha

PetreTG for someone who apparently doesn't like McCain you sure are quick to jump to his defense.

[Joe King]

:lol:

i like your choice of words here.. even though I'm more republican, I gotta give you credit for the language used:bears:
LOK finds cum in threads he doesn't even usually read or respond to:laughing:

[PetreTG]

hahaha

PetreTG for someone who apparently doesn't like McCain you sure are quick to jump to his defense.

I don't believe I said anything about McCain or Obama ... as a matter of fact I'm sure of it.

What I did do was reply to JOE's comment asking IandI if he new anything. He doesn't.

His level of retardation makes that a certainty.

[I and I]

Cool. Cheney earned his check! It's better than Obama who was paid to run for President:doh:


What a stupid mother fucker, there is no difference between the parties and they are all paid empty suits.

[Joe King]

What a stupid mother fucker, there is no difference between the parties and they are all paid empty suits.

Then why do you have so much interest in politics?

[I and I]

hahaha

PetreTG for someone who apparently doesn't like McCain you sure are quick to jump to his defense.


Thats kinda like when Petre supports RON KKK PAUL, types the opinions of racist right wing talk show hosts, then says "BUT I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING RACIST MYSELF"

He is like a racist that is too pussy to admit that he is a racist.

[Trplsec]

If McCain/Palin win, I hope one of the duties of the VP is a cameo on MILF Hunters.

Just a thought.

[Nobleart]

What a stupid mother fucker, there is no difference between the parties and they are all paid empty suits.



You are a trendsetter, a philosopher and a prophetic bounty hunter of the ages. Please don't ever change I and I.

:bears:

[PetreTG]

You are a trendsetter, a philosopher and a prophetic bounty hunter of the ages. Please don't ever change I and I.

:bears:

If that's E-sarcasm for douche bag I think you hit the nail on the head. :bears:

[James68]

Can you tell me what Dick Cheney did for the past 8 years?


He shot a campaign contributer. :cheer:

[Joe King]

He shot a campaign contributer. :cheer:
and the victim apologized:lol:

[I and I]

Then why do you have so much interest in politics?

Because it's fun to make fun of idiots who say for example, actually believe what politicians say, like Petre does when he criticizes obamas plans if he is president.

[I and I]

http://retardedbaby.net/2008/09/09/we-elected-one-retard/

[Joe King]

Because it's fun to make fun of idiots who say for example, actually believe what politicians say, like Petre does when he criticizes obamas plans if he is president.

So you like to take the low road on the short bus. That makes a lot of sense.

[I and I]

So you like to take the low road on the short bus. That makes a lot of sense.

So making fun of idiots who support torture is taking the low road???

Because actually torturing people isn't taking the low road???

:atu:

[Joe King]

So making fun of idiots who support torture is taking the low road???

Because actually torturing people isn't taking the low road???

:atu:

The low road is you making blanketed statements that take miniscule effort but maximum time to refute. It's worthless to indulge your feeble mindset, so I'll just call you a retard.

[I and I]

The low road is you making blanketed statements that take miniscule effort but maximum time to refute. It's worthless to indulge your feeble mindset, so I'll just call you a retard.

What a dumbass, to imply it's the low road to make fun of people who torture, yet somehow torture itself isn't the low road. Republican logic, gotta love it.

[Joe King]

What a dumbass, to imply it's the low road to make fun of people who torture, yet somehow torture itself isn't the low road. Republican logic, gotta love it.


The low road is to sit on the side and point fingers at both sides, when it is apparent that you offer no solution or anything else for that matter.

[Joe King]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/darth-enigmus/thread-fail-stamp.gif

[Black Market Baby]

What a stupid fucking website.

[I and I]

Why in the hell do rightwingers vote for someone just because they walk around in tight jeans and boots like elton johns cock buddy, or someoene who pretends to be just a regular person who fucked her way to the top like the average woman.

If you were having surgery tomorrow would you say, you know doc, I respect your long career but I am tired of old medicine and want a medical outsider to perform surgery someone that hasn't been around the medical establishment. WHAT THE MOTHER FUCK? How can a stupid fuck rightwinger use this bullshit logic when it comes to running a country???

Can someone explain the logic behind the vote for outsider stance by rightwing dumbfucks?

[I and I]

The low road is to sit on the side and point fingers at both sides, when it is apparent that you offer no solution or anything else for that matter.

So to point out faults for both sides is the low road, but to blindly follow one side is the hight road???

:lol: :hammert:

[I and I]

The whole policy in Iraq has failed.

The Surge and the Stench of "Victory"

When is a Holocaust Not a Holocaust?

By WILLIAM BLUM

When is a holocaust not a holocaust?

When the perpetrators call it a victory.

Although the "surge" has failed as policy, it appears to be succeeding as propaganda. It seems to be the only thing that supporters of the war have to point to, and so they point, and they point, and they point. Allow me to point out that while there has been a reduction in violence in Iraq -- now down to a level that virtually any other society in the world would find horrible and intolerable, including Iraqi society before the US invasion and occupation -- we must keep in mind that thanks to this lovely little war more than half the population of Iraq is either dead, crippled, traumatized, confined in overflowing American and Iraqi prisons, internally displaced, or in foreign exile.

Thus, the number of people available for being killers or victims is markedly reduced. Moreover, extensive ethnic cleansing has taken place in the country (another good indication of progress, n'est-ce pas?). Sunnis and Shiites are now living more in their own special enclaves than before, none of those stinking mixed communities with their unholy mixed marriages, so violence of the sectarian type has also gone down; and the powerful movement of Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr has had a cease-fire in effect for many months, unconnected to the surge. On top of all this, US soldiers, in the face of numerous "improvised explosive devices" on the roads, have been venturing out a lot less (for fear of things like ... well, dying), so the violence against our noble lads is also down. Remember that insurgent attacks on American forces is how the Iraqi violence all began in the first place.

Just imagine -- If the entire Iraqi population over the age of 10 is killed, disabled, imprisoned or forced into exile there will probably be no violence at all. Now that would really be victory.

No American should be allowed to forget that Iraqi society has been destroyed. The people of that unhappy land have lost everything -- their homes, their schools, their neighborhoods, their mosques, their jobs, their careers, their professionals, their health care, their legal system, their women's rights, their religious tolerance, their security, their past, their present, their future, their lives. But they do have their surge.

[I and I]

The award is known as the "alternative" NOBEL.

So guess what rightwingers, for the first time a journalist got the award. Was it someone from fix noise? Was it someond from NBC? Was it someone from nazi rightwing radio? Was it someone from ABC? I mean surely it was one of those journalists right????

NOPE, It was Amy Goodman, the Host of Democracy Now. Suck on that bitches.

[Joe King]

So to point out faults for both sides is the low road, but to blindly follow one side is the hight road???

:lol: :hammert:
I don't know about blindly, that's more of your mindset, being Trig Palin Jr and all.

[I and I]

I don't know about blindly, that's more of your mindset, being Trig Palin Jr and all.

The rightwing way, destroy the messenger, :lol:

Hey look he is a bad person, he is pointing out that we go things like torture.

[Haymaker]

somebody close this thread please

[I and I]

somebody close this thread please


Do you want to refute anything in the article?

Plan A in Iraq FAILED.

Plan B in Iraq FAILED

[Joe King]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/darth-enigmus/thread-fail-stamp.gif

[Joe King]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/darth-enigmus/thread-fail-stamp.gif

[Joe King]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/darth-enigmus/thread-fail-stamp.gif

[Haymaker]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/darth-enigmus/thread-fail-stamp.gif


Joe King :bears:

[PetreTG]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/darth-enigmus/thread-fail-stamp.gif

Keep up the good work Joe ... :bears:

[I and I]

:laughing:

Bill Ayers

What was this guy convicted of?

How many people did he target in his "terrorist attacks"?

How many people did he kill?



Petre, Joe, any other "non supporters of McCain"

Anyone want to grow a pair and provide details that way we can know for sure if this guy is a terrorist?

[puerto rock]

Its getting bad for McCain now. He's losing considerable ground in Florida, North Carolina, Colorado, and Ohio. States that he DESPERATELY needs to have any chance at winning the election.

These are comments made out of frustration and desperation and its another move by the McCain camp that will backfire on him, just like the celebrity ad, just like stating the "fundamentals of our economy are strong", and now this.


The way it looks, Obama is going to have a cake walk to the White House come November.

[Joe King]

http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Thread%20Failed.gif

[r o o s t e r]

:laughing:

Bill Ayers

What was this guy convicted of?

How many people did he target in his "terrorist attacks"?

How many people did he kill?

everybody agrees with you

[I and I]

http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Thread%20Failed.gif


I see Joe wants to believe that obama hangs out with terrorists but doesn't have the balls to show us proof.

RIghtwingers :atu:

[TFK]

Anyone want to grow a pair and provide details that way we can know for sure if this guy is a terrorist?


From wikipedia...


Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_Riot).<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-Jacobs_8-0>[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_ayers#cite_note-Jacobs-8)</SUP> The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-Avrich431_9-0>[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_ayers#cite_note-Avrich431-9)</SUP> (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-10>[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_ayers#cite_note-10)</SUP><SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-Avrich431_9-1>[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_ayers#cite_note-Avrich431-9)</SUP> Rebuilding it yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-Avrich431_9-2>[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_ayers#cite_note-Avrich431-9)</SUP>) Ayers participated in the Days of Rage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Rage) riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint,_Michigan), Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan).

<clip>

Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol) building in 1971, and The Pentagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon) in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Days). Because of a water leak caused by the Pentagon bombing, aerial bombardments during the Vietnam War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War) had to be halted for several days





That was easy.


TFK

[Joe King]

From wikipedia...




That was easy.


TFK

http://www.kenpardue.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/easy.jpg

[I and I]

From wikipedia...




That was easy.


TFK

Yes it was easy not to answer my questions.

WHO DID HE TARGET? NAMES OF PEOPLE PLEASE

WHO DID HE KILL? NAMES OF PEOPLE PLEASE

WHAT WAS HE CONVICTED OF? NAME OF CASE PLEASE

[TFK]

Yes it was easy not to answer my questions.

WHO DID HE TARGET? NAMES OF PEOPLE PLEASE

WHO DID HE KILL? NAMES OF PEOPLE PLEASE

WHAT WAS HE CONVICTED OF? NAME OF CASE PLEASE


You're only a terrorist if you kill people?

TFK

[I and I]

You're only a terrorist if you kill people?

TFK


Who said he was a terrorist? you? republicans?

How long was his sentence?

[TFK]

Who said he was a terrorist? you? republicans?

How long was his sentence?


InI, c'mon man, it's Sunday. Why don't you quit being wrong about everything for one day, and just relax and watch some football?


TFK

[I and I]

You aren't a terrorist if you explicitly state that your goal is not to terrorize people, and then make sure that your actions don't terrorize people, Hence the fact that he and the weathermen KILLED NOBODY.

NOPE NOT A TERRORIST.

Someone who kills people or innocent people to make a political statement, that is more like a terrorist.

[I and I]

InI, c'mon man, it's Sunday. Why don't you quit being wrong about everything for one day, and just relax and watch some football?


TFK

Surely there was a case where he was convicted of being a terrorist, just tell us the case.

:mj:

[TFK]

You aren't a terrorist if you explicitly state that your goal is not to terrorize people, and then make sure that your actions don't terrorize people, Hence the fact that he and the weathermen KILLED NOBODY.

NOPE NOT A TERRORIST.

Someone who kills people or innocent people to make a political statement, that is more like a terrorist.


I'm not gonna waste my Sunday arguing over the definition of'terrorist'. Let's just both agree that as usual, you're wrong and I'm right, and then we can get back to football.

TFK

[TFK]

Surely there was a case where he was convicted of being a terrorist, just tell us the case.

:mj:



You haven't been convicted of being a boy touching child molester, that doesn't mean you're not one.

TFK

[I and I]

You haven't been convicted of being a boy touching child molester, that doesn't mean you're not one.

TFK

CLASSIC

TFK gets his ass kicked in a thread then resorts to personal attacks.

WHO DID HE TERRORIZE?

WHO DID HE KILL?

WHO DID HE TRY TO KILL?

WHO DID HE TARGET?

Name the case that he was convicted in?

[TFK]

CLASSIC

TFK gets his ass kicked in a thread then resorts to personal attacks.

WHO DID HE TERRORIZE?

WHO DID HE KILL?

WHO DID HE TRY TO KILL?

WHO DID HE TARGET?

Name the case that he was convicted in?

You don't have to kill anyone to be a terrorist. You don't have to be convicted of anything either.

Here is the dictionary.com definition for terrorist...






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And here's the definition of terrorism...






ter·ror·ism<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>1.</TD><TD vAlign=top>the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>2.</TD><TD vAlign=top>the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>3.</TD><TD vAlign=top>a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Now please show me where it says you have to kill people to be a terrorist. Show me where it says you have to be convicted or anything to be a terrorist.

You lose again, InI.

TFK

[I and I]

You don't have to kill anyone to be a terrorist. You don't have to be convicted of anything either.

Here is the dictionary.com definition for terrorist...





And here's the definition of terrorism...




Now please show me where it says you have to kill people to be a terrorist. Show me where it says you have to be convicted or anything to be a terrorist.

You lose again, InI.

TFK

So we agree, that he didn't kill anyone, didn't threaten anyone, didn't attempt to kill or threaten anyone.

We agree on that right.

The definition you listed says it's someone who terrorizes someone, WHO DID HE TERRORIZE???

How can you terrorize someone when you explicityly state that your goal isn't to kill anyone, and that you aren't even trying to kill anyone. If that is what you call a terrorist, than that would include me and you as terrorists, since we don't target any human beings violently and don't intend to right?

[TFK]

So we agree, that he didn't kill anyone, didn't threaten anyone, didn't attempt to kill or threaten anyone.

We agree on that right.

The definition you listed says it's someone who terrorizes someone, WHO DID HE TERRORIZE???

How can you terrorize someone when you explicityly state that your goal isn't to kill anyone, and that you aren't even trying to kill anyone. If that is what you call a terrorist, than that would include me and you as terrorists, since we don't target any human beings violently and don't intend to right?


Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

You're so smart.


TFK

[Ugotabe Kidding]

This debate beats the crap out of Obama-McCain on any poll

[I and I]

ter·ror·ist
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.

1. HE NEVER ADVOCATED TERRORISM.
2. HE NEVER TERRORIZED OR FRIGHTENED OTHERS
3. HE NEVER WAS A MEMBER OF A RUSSIAN ORGANIZATION
4 HE NEVER WAS A MEMBER OF A FRENCH ORGANIZATION
5. VAGUE AND HE NEVER PRACTICED TERRORIST TACTICS.

Quote:



ter·ror·ism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

1. HE NEVER USED VIOLENCE TO COERCE ANYONE.
2. HE NEVER TRIED TO MAKE ANYONE AFRAID.
3. HE NEVER GOVERNED OVER ANYONE.

[I and I]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

You're so smart.


TFK

Yep, and he never killed anyone, never attempted to kill anyone, never intended to kill anyone, never wanted to kill anyone. All of those things combined means.

[I and I]

I don't think TFK knows the difference between vandalism and murder.

Or he may think that a piece of metal has the same status as a human being, as if the destruction of a thing is the same as destruction of life.

TEAM FUCKIN AMERICA

[TFK]

I don't think TFK knows the difference between vandalism and murder.

Or he may think that a piece of metal has the same status as a human being, as if the destruction of a thing is the same as destruction of life.

TEAM FUCKIN AMERICA


You're the last person to bitch about someone not knowing the meaning of a word.

Sorry InI, I'd argue with you, but you don't even have an argument to argue against.

TFK

[Joe King]

You're the last person to bitch about someone not knowing the meaning of a word.

Sorry InI, I'd argue with you, but you don't even have an argument to argue against.

TFK

How much free time do you have TFK? Why are you wasting it with this turd?

[TFK]

How much free time do you have TFK? Why are you wasting it with this turd?


It's like playing Madden on rookie level. You always win by like 150 points, but sometimes it's fun just to see how one sided you can make it.

TFK

[Joe King]

It's like playing Madden on rookie level. You always win by like 150 points, but sometimes it's fun just to see how one sided you can make it.

TFK
:lol:

[r o o s t e r]

dictionary.com can't settle your debate. 'terrorism' is a controversial word with a number of distinct definitions - that's why your politicians like to (ab)use it so much. nelson mandela at one time pursued a campaign of sabotage; under some definitions that makes him a terrorist, under others he isn't.

of course the real culprit here is the repugnant palin for deliberately exploiting that emotive word, sensationalist politics of the worst kind, like goebbels but less sophisticated. whether ayers is a 'terrorist' or not is irrelevant; it's quite clear that they're evoking images of bin laden, and ayers was never anything of the sort.

[I and I]

dictionary.com can't settle your debate. 'terrorism' is a controversial word with a number of distinct definitions - that's why your politicians like to (ab)use it so much. nelson mandela at one time pursued a campaign of sabotage; under some definitions that makes him a terrorist, under others he isn't.

of course the real culprit here is the repugnant palin for deliberately exploiting that emotive word, sensationalist politics of the worst kind, like goebbels but less sophisticated. whether ayers is a 'terrorist' or not is irrelevant; it's quite clear that they're evoking images of bin laden, and ayers was never anything of the sort.

Not according to TFK and JOE

[bigdawg]

Why is this shit being brought up again? I mean doesn't stupid ass Palin already know that this has already been brought up and discussed. What a fucken idiot she is. One would think from all the reading material she couldn't name she would already know. I'll Holla 5000

[TFK]

Not according to TFK and JOE


And the rest of the world as well.

Except of course for the dopes who consider bombing police headquarters, the Pentagon and the Capitol Building mere acts of vandalism.

TFK

[Jake]

Why is this shit being brought up again? I mean doesn't stupid ass Palin already know that this has already been brought up and discussed. What a fucken idiot she is. One would think from all the reading material she couldn't name she would already know. I'll Holla 5000
but like the saying goes, you don't always need fire, sometimes smoke is enough. it doesn't matter how rehashed the argument is, there will always be enough people who were otherwise clueless to it who will now second guess their voting choice.

the republicans know damn well who theyre speaking to when they bring up this stuff.

And at the risk of pulling a Petre, I said a while ago that Shillary trying to align herself w/ Obama will hurt more than help. All this shit being brought up now was initially raised (or at least re-submitted) when she was busy dragging his name/camapign through the mud. All they're doing is taking pages out of her playbook (or as CNN now calls their campaign strategy, "once again going to the reset button.")

[Joe King]

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[slystaff]

Everyone already knows about the Ayers stuff anyway. If the republicans/fox news....were smart..they wouldn't have mentioned anything until NOW. But everyone has heard about this over and over again and are now desensitized to it...and most would now be of the opinion that McCain/Palin is only bringing it up to distract from the economy. It'll backfire.

[TFK]

Everyone already knows about the Ayers stuff anyway. If the republicans/fox news....were smart..they wouldn't have mentioned anything until NOW. But everyone has heard about this over and over again and are now desensitized to it...and most would now be of the opinion that McCain/Palin is only bringing it up to distract from the economy. It'll backfire.


Actually it's gotten very little coverage by the pro-Obama media. They're too busy focusing on Palin's pregnant daughter and other nonsense to focus on something as important as a presidential candidate having close associations with a terrorist.

TFK

[Joe King]

Sly, click on the two videos.

[slystaff]

Actually it's gotten very little coverage by the pro-Obama media. They're too busy focusing on Palin's pregnant daughter and other nonsense to focus on something as important as a presidential candidate having close associations with a terrorist.

TFK
Ayers was a terrorist when Obama was 8 years old. And even then...it's not like in the last few years they've been having tea and crumpets together...

And actually the anti-Obama media has given it PLENTY of coverage. It was even mentioned during the highly watched OHIO democratic debate as well as on the Bill O Reilly interview with Obama.

Everyone knows about it already and no one cares..because they know that Obama isn't a terrorist.

We all (EVERYONE above a certain age) know someone from somewhere (university, church, work, neighborhood) that has had a past that we disagree with (sometimes in crime). The American people..as a whole..would understand this.

put it this way..the only people this would affect are those that wouldn't vote for him anyway. People like yourself, Hannity and those who have brothers called "bubba".

[TFK]

Ayers was a terrorist when Obama was 8 years old. And even then...it's not like in the last few years they've been having tea and crumpets together...

Which is much worse than if Ayers commited his crimes after he was close associates with Obama. Obama knew Ayers past, yet he chose to associate with him. More horrible judgement on Obama's part.


And actually the anti-Obama media has given it PLENTY of coverage. It was even mentioned during the highly watched OHIO democratic debate as well as on the Bill O Reilly interview with Obama.

The only media that ever mentions Ayers is Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly and the like. You never hear anything about him from 'unbiased' mainstream media outlets.


Everyone knows about it already and no one cares..because they know that Obama isn't a terrorist.


Actually a lot of people don't know about it, and I'm sure it would change the mind of more than a few prospective Obama voters if they did. That's why the pro-Obama media is doing their best to keep it under wraps. And the only people who wouldn't care are the ones who will support Obama no matter what, kind of like you.


We all (EVERYONE above a certain age) know someone from somewhere (university, church, work, neighborhood) that has had a past that we disagree with (sometimes in crime). The American people..as a whole..would understand this.

It's funny when you try and justify every single one of Obama's many flaws. Your excuses show that even when Obama does wrong, he really can do no wrong in your eyes.


put it this way..the only people this would affect are those that wouldn't vote for him anyway. People like yourself, Hannity and those who have brothers called "bubba".

The only people who wouldn't be disturbed by Obama's past associations with a terrorist are people like yourself, Al Franken and those who have sisters called 'Shenequia'.

TFK

[slystaff]

The only people who wouldn't be disturbed by Obama's past associations with a terrorist are people like yourself, Al Franken and those who have sisters called 'Shenequia'.

TFK
:lol: good job.

[TFK]

:lol: good job.

Did I spell it right? Tell her I'm sorry if I got it wrong.

TFK

[slystaff]

Did I spell it right? Tell her I'm sorry if I got it wrong.

TFK
Imitation is the best form of flattery...and so I must assume that my "Bubba" quip was rather clever. :kidcool:

Anyway...

The point is...Is Obama a terrorist? Does he want to blow up US goverment buildings and such? was he planning this stuff with Ayers when he was 8 years old? Was he financing Ayers' criminal activities? Was he campaigning for Ayers? Was Ayers his political advisor?

Ayers is irrelevant and only inbred rednecks who sit on toilet seats outside of their trailers would think otherwise...

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[Joe King]

Imitation is the best form of flattery...and so I must assume that my "Bubba" quip was rather clever. :kidcool:

Anyway...

The point is...Is Obama a terrorist? Does he want to blow up US goverment buildings and such? was he planning this stuff with Ayers when he was 8 years old? Was he financing Ayers' criminal activities? Was he campaigning for Ayers? Was Ayers his political advisor?

Ayers is irrelevant and only inbred rednecks who sit on toilet seats outside of their trailers would think otherwise...




Come on man. You come from a country so backwards and out of it that it makes Sarah Palin look like one of the girls on the Hills.

[TFK]

The point is...Is Obama a terrorist? Does he want to blow up US goverment buildings and such? was he planning this stuff with Ayers when he was 8 years old? Was he financing Ayers' criminal activities? Was he campaigning for Ayers? Was Ayers his political advisor?




Nobody has accused Obama of being a terrorist, so that isn't the point. The point is Obama's judgement for associating himself with someone like Ayers. And it doesn't stop at Ayers. There's Saul Alinsky, there's Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pflager, etc.

TFK

[slystaff]

Come on man. You come from a country so backwards and out of it that it makes Sarah Palin look like one of the girls on the Hills.
What.... Canada or Britain (or Trinidad)?

[Joe King]

What.... Canada or Britain (or Trinidad)?

D:All of the above:kidcool:

[slystaff]

Nobody has accused Obama of being a terrorist, so that isn't the point. The point is Obama's judgement for associating himself with someone like Ayers. And it doesn't stop at Ayers. There's Saul Alinsky, there's Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pflager, etc.

TFK
Are you a fan of Ronald Reagan?

Well Reagan picked Bush as his running mate..and Bush was friends with the Bin Ladens among others...

[TFK]

Are you a fan of Ronald Reagan?

Well Reagan picked Bush as his running mate..and Bush was friends with the Bin Ladens among others...


Swing and a miss. Wanna try again?

TFK

[slystaff]

Swing and a miss. Wanna try again?

TFK
nah

Discussing such matters with red necks from West Virginia is an exhausting exercise. I'm off to bed. Chat with you tomorrow. :kidcool:

[TFK]

nah

Discussing such matters with red necks from West Virginia is an exhausting exercise. I'm off to bed. Chat with you tomorrow. :kidcool:


More anti-white nonsense from Sly. Par for the course when he finds himself on the losing end of an argument.

TFK

[bigdawg]

Actually it's gotten very little coverage by the pro-Obama media. They're too busy focusing on Palin's pregnant daughter and other nonsense to focus on something as important as a presidential candidate having close associations with a terrorist.

TFK

Actually the media is focusing on her dumbass interviews she had where she couldn't name any reading material and the bullshit she said about Russia. That's what the media is focusing and that's why everyone thought that she was gonna bomb at the debate. They didn't think she was gonna bomb due to her pregnant unwed teenage daugther. By the way since when do terroist get hired in the US as professors? I'll Holla 5000

[bigdawg]

Which is much worse than if Ayers commited his crimes after he was close associates with Obama. Obama knew Ayers past, yet he chose to associate with him. More horrible judgement on Obama's part.



The only media that ever mentions Ayers is Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly and the like. You never hear anything about him from 'unbiased' mainstream media outlets.



Actually a lot of people don't know about it, and I'm sure it would change the mind of more than a few prospective Obama voters if they did. That's why the pro-Obama media is doing their best to keep it under wraps. And the only people who wouldn't care are the ones who will support Obama no matter what, kind of like you.



It's funny when you try and justify every single one of Obama's many flaws. Your excuses show that even when Obama does wrong, he really can do no wrong in your eyes.



The only people who wouldn't be disturbed by Obama's past associations with a terrorist are people like yourself, Al Franken and those who have sisters called 'Shenequia'.

TFK

I guess there must be a ton of white people that have sisters named Shenequa cause Obama is on the verge of becoming the first black president. And no candidate can win with just people voting for him so he has to get the Shenequa's vote as well. I'll Holla 5000

[bigdawg]

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Joe are you fucking serious dude. You fucking kill me with these bullshit ass videos. But I guess Obama's nomination is bad if it inspires people to be better people and to take responsibility and actually feel like they can achieve something in their lives. Just spoke with my mom and she still can't believe that a black man has an actual chance to become president of the US. But yet we have cats like you and the Hannity's of the world that post bullshit and hate to see what's actually happening. It's all good though. I'll Holla 5000

[r o o s t e r]

And the rest of the world as well.

Except of course for the dopes who consider bombing police headquarters, the Pentagon and the Capitol Building mere acts of vandalism.

TFK

these 'dopes' include UN and other policy-makers at some time or another. there's a whole wikipedia article on the divergent definitions of 'terrorist'. many definitions require the physical harm of civilians.

[Joe King]

Joe are you fucking serious dude. You fucking kill me with these bullshit ass videos. But I guess Obama's nomination is bad if it inspires people to be better people and to take responsibility and actually feel like they can achieve something in their lives. Just spoke with my mom and she still can't believe that a black man has an actual chance to become president of the US. But yet we have cats like you and the Hannity's of the world that post bullshit and hate to see what's actually happening. It's all good though. I'll Holla 5000


You're actually serious? The first video is disturbing. You're telling me that those kids could only now reach for their goals because Obama is running for President at this time? I know the nomination is historic and inspiring but for those kids to solely credit Obama with breaking down the barriers just dumps on all the civil rights activists who started the movement.

The 2nd video is pure propaganda.

I do hate what is happening but it's because the US is becoming socialistic and wildly liberal and there is no turning back.:shit::shit::shit:

[PetreTG]

:laughing:

Bill Ayers

What was this guy convicted of?

How many people did he target in his "terrorist attacks"?

How many people did he kill?



Petre, Joe, any other "non supporters of McCain"

Anyone want to grow a pair and provide details that way we can know for sure if this guy is a terrorist?


Holy fuck you're dumb. :doh:

As many times as I've brought up Ayers , Dorhn and the Weathermen (Weather Underground) as just one of Obama's very questionable connections , LONG BEFORE PALIN OR MCCAIN WAS CHOSEN ... I just don't know what to say to you anymore IandI ... any sort of discussion with you is an absolute waste of time and I'm going to suggest you get your own forum to the crew , tentatively named "The Little Yellow Bus"

You're a cerified RETARDED troll.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/02/19/PH2008021900931.jpg

[Joe King]

Holy fuck you're dumb. :doh:

As many times as I've brought up Ayers , Dorhn and the Weathermen (Weather Underground) as just one of Obama's very questionable connections , LONG BEFORE PALIN OR MCCAIN WAS CHOSEN ... I just don't know what to say to you anymore IandI ... any sort of discussion with you is an absolute waste of time and I'm going to suggest you get your own forum to the crew , tentatively named "The Little Yellow Bus"

You're a cerified RETARDED troll.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/02/19/PH2008021900931.jpg
Just put a thread fail pic up and leave him to his piss puddle.

[Father of Muzse]

McCain, Palin and the GOP would be better off staying away from these topics...

As soon as the Keating Five stuff gets rekindled and how eerily similar it is to current day issues, folks aren't going to like it...not good for McCain.

As far as Palin talking about Rev. Wright...has she forgotten the "withcraft" prayers over her in her own church? They're better off leaving this alone.

I'm not fooled at all. the GOP is a sinking ship, this is all about Palin 2012. She'll have a team of advisors around her 24/7 prepping her for a 2012 run.

[TFK]

Actually the media is focusing on her dumbass interviews she had where she couldn't name any reading material and the bullshit she said about Russia. That's what the media is focusing and that's why everyone thought that she was gonna bomb at the debate. They didn't think she was gonna bomb due to her pregnant unwed teenage daugther. By the way since when do terroist get hired in the US as professors? I'll Holla 5000


BD, thanks for proving my point about the Pro-Obama Media. They have bashed Palin at every opportunity for a handful of spots in some interviews, all the while, ignoring Obama's many gaffes, (57 states, seeing dead war heroes, grandfather liberating Auschwitz, describing his grandmother as a typical white person when saying she's afraid of black people, giving kids with asthsma breathylizers, etc, etc, etc.), and Bidens many gaffes (admitting Obama should've picked Hillary, asking a cripple to stand, etc).


TFK

[Father of Muzse]

BD, thanks for proving my point about the Pro-Obama Media. They have bashed Palin at every opportunity for a handful of spots in some interviews, all the while, ignoring Obama's many gaffes, (57 states, seeing dead war heroes, grandfather liberating Auschwitz, describing his grandmother as a typical white person when saying she's afraid of black people, giving kids with asthsma breathylizers, etc, etc, etc.), and Bidens many gaffes (admitting Obama should've picked Hillary, asking a cripple to stand, etc).

TFK

You have to admit, the cripple incident for Biden was hysterical. reminded me of Bush waving at Stevie Wonder.

[boxerpuncher]

Palin should talk about some of her husband's associations. If not then Obama/ Biden should. And it should be talked about why she was going to cooperate in an investigation into some misconduct by her in office. That is until McCain named her his running mate.

[Baron]

As Obama gets closer and closer to presidency, the campaign will become dirtier and dirtier. And those so called objective observers from fightbeat will reveal their bias more clearly with each day that passes. It's already started. :lol:

[Joe King]

As Obama gets closer and closer to presidency, the campaign will become dirtier and dirtier. And those so called objective observers from fightbeat will reveal their bias more clearly with each day that passes. It's already started. :lol:

Did you expect anything different:lol:

[Baron]

Did you expect anything different:lol:

No, but I had to post that anyway.:lol:

[Joe King]

No, but I had to post that anyway.:lol:

What really sucks is that on November 5th (HOPEFULLY) one side will be celebrating and the other lamenting, but in actuality, we all LOSE.

[slystaff]

What really sucks is that on November 5th (HOPEFULLY) one side will be celebrating and the other lamenting, but in actuality, we all LOSE.
what's sad is that you have no mind of your own. You're just echoing words from PetreTG, Atomidogg and TFK. Mindless moron.

[Joe King]

what's sad is that you have no mind of your own. You're just echoing words from PetreTG, Atomidogg and TFK. Mindless moron.

In other words, everyone else who disagrees with you?:rolleyes:

Keep voting for Obaaaaama, you sheep. Oh yeah, you can't vote.

[slystaff]

In other words, everyone else who disagrees with you?:rolleyes:

Keep voting for Obaaaaama, you sheep. Oh yeah, you can't vote.Actually no..only those three...for everyone else is rooting for McCain or Obama..you were initially for mcCain but now all of a sudden they are both bad. Mindless moron got that from the aforementioned three.

[Joe King]

Actually no..only those three...for everyone else is rooting for McCain or Obama..you were initially for mcCain but now all of a sudden they are both bad. Mindless moron got that from the aforementioned three.

I've said why I've been disappointed and disgusted with McCain over the past few weeks, but I guess the grass hasn't been cut so you can't read clearly.

[slystaff]

I've said why I've been disappointed and disgusted with McCain over the past few weeks, but I guess the grass hasn't been cut so you can't read clearly.
Mindless moron.

[Joe King]

Mindless moron.
Dumb Bitch.

[bigdawg]

This is some shit that I heard today that is very troubling. But if Obama is wrong for his associations then Mccain has to be guilty of the exact same. I mean how do you explain his ties with Richard Quinn who is Mccains long-time senior political consultant. Like I said this is news to me but Richard Quinn is the head of the racist Southern Partisan Quarterly Review. No wonder it took him so long to grant MLK holiday. Mccain is a racist. But I guess that's why a couple cats on this site support him the way they do. I'll Holla 5000

[I and I]

And the rest of the world as well.

Except of course for the dopes who consider bombing police headquarters, the Pentagon and the Capitol Building mere acts of vandalism.

TFK

So then he was conviced and is in jail right? since he is a big bad terrorist and all. :atu:

[I and I]

Holy fuck you're dumb. :doh:

As many times as I've brought up Ayers , Dorhn and the Weathermen (Weather Underground) as just one of Obama's very questionable connections , LONG BEFORE PALIN OR MCCAIN WAS CHOSEN ... I just don't know what to say to you anymore IandI ... any sort of discussion with you is an absolute waste of time and I'm going to suggest you get your own forum to the crew , tentatively named "The Little Yellow Bus"

You're a cerified RETARDED troll.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/02/19/PH2008021900931.jpg

Hey stupid fuck, remember when your mouth was full of mccains cock and you made the baseless implication that there was no way he could have known that ifill was writing a book? :atu: GOOGLE search, it was in news paper articles? McCain didn't do a simple google search, there fault they didn't know, keep swallowing dumbass.

Now your pussy ass will run again watch this.

Hey Petre, what was ayers convicted of?

What people did he attempt to kill?

What people did he kill?

What people did he want to kill?

Where are his writings or speeches that supported killing anyone?

Put up or shut up bitch.

[I and I]

The Weathermen:

NEVER KILLED ANYONE

NEVER TARGETED ANYONE

NEVER TRIED TO KILL ANYONE

EXPLICITLY STATED THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO KILL ANYONE

Ayers was convicted of........drum roll please...............ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING related to terrorism.


Maybe when KKK cum backs up into petre and TFK's brain it causes them to not know that piece of metal and a human being aren't on the same level, and that destroying a human being isn't the same as destroying property.

[TFK]

The Weathermen:

NEVER KILLED ANYONE

NEVER TARGETED ANYONE

NEVER TRIED TO KILL ANYONE

EXPLICITLY STATED THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO KILL ANYONE

Ayers was convicted of........drum roll please...............ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING related to terrorism.


Maybe when KKK cum backs up into petre and TFK's brain it causes them to not know that piece of metal and a human being aren't on the same level, and that destroying a human being isn't the same as destroying property.


Once again, InI thinks you have to kill people to be terrorists.

Dumber by the day, I tell ya.

TFK

[Explosivo]

Palin is a fucking idiot.

Just a pretty faced PAWN to try to draw voting leverage.

[slystaff]

Once again, InI thinks you have to kill people to be terrorists.

Dumber by the day, I tell ya.

TFK
You're dumber by the day actually...

These guys operated when Obama was 8 years old.

Obama comes to Chicago AS an ADULT and Ayers is reformed and the two meet. They were not plotting to bomb the Capitol or kidnap the President....Obama worked on some legislation which Ayers agreed with.

Obama has worked with Republicans. Does that make him a Republican? He associated with Hillary..does that make him a woman? He's met with Bill Clinton...does that make him an adulterer?

[Joe King]

Keith "poor man's" Dobermann is making an ass out of himself:laughing:

[r o o s t e r]

Once again, InI thinks you have to kill people to be terrorists.

Dumber by the day, I tell ya.

TFK

On March 17, 2005, a UN panel described terrorism as any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism

apparently the weathermen never physically injured anybody. so under that UN definition they're not terrorist. i'm not upholding that definition - i'm just saying there's equivocation about the word 'terrorist', and i and i is not dumb to suggest that terrorism requires violence, or even that it requires murder.

[pig]

I seem to remember photos of certain politicians shaking hands with Saddam....didn't seem to do their election chances any harm.

I find it funny that the USA currently has someone with learning difficulties and who is intellectually sub-normal, not only making headlines but also running for VP.

You guys need to lay off the affirmative action - this shit has gone too far.

[James68]

I personally could see Ayers being labeled a former terrorist.



[In 1970 he "went underground" with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were assembling exploded. Kathy Boudin and Cathy Wilkerson survived the blast. Ayers was not facing criminal charges at the time, but the federal government later filed charges against him.]



These guys made bombs. Bombs used to get attention and cause fear. Wonder why they called the bomb a anti-personel device? It was because it would be used to take out people.

[slystaff]

On March 17, 2005, a UN panel described terrorism as any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism

apparently the weathermen never physically injured anybody. so under that UN definition they're not terrorist. i'm not upholding that definition - i'm just saying there's equivocation about the word 'terrorist', and i and i is not dumb to suggest that terrorism requires violence, or even that it requires murder.
word.

But to TFK Obama is the devil and so even Michelle Obama is a terrorist....

[Father of Muzse]

This is the reason McCain needs to leave the Ayers-type attacks alone...just means more of his crap comes to the surface...

What's important to take away from this article...while McCain had no direct membership in the group, the leader was close friends with his daddy (who was an Admiral). So much to the fact that daddy McCain sought this guys advice when Johnny Boy was held captive.

Now compare that to Ayers' activities when Obama was eight years old. Kinda silly.

Oh...lest we not forget...Palin's hubby was a member of the Succession group in Alaska...how's that for unAmerican?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jzQtw1kATj1xCqPcAmwgCKDtNpDQD93LGSJG0

McCain linked to private group in Iran-Contra case

By PETE YOST – 6 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — GOP presidential nominee John McCain has past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas seeking to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua in the Iran-Contra affair.

McCain's ties are facing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Barack Obama for his link to a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago.

The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe.

The council's founder, retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub, said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain was launching his political career in Arizona. Singlaub said McCain was a supporter but not an active member in the group.

"McCain was a new guy on the block learning the ropes," Singlaub told The Associated Press in an interview. "I think I met him in the Washington area when he was just a new congressman. We had McCain on the board to make him feel like he wasn't left out. It looks good to have names on a letterhead who are well-known and appreciated.

"I don't recall talking to McCain at all on the work of the group," Singlaub said.

The renewed attention over McCain's association with Singlaub's group comes as McCain's campaign steps up criticism of Obama's dealings with William Ayers, a college professor who co-founded the Weather Underground and years later worked on education reform in Chicago alongside Obama. Ayers held a meet-the-candidate event at his home when Obama first ran for public office in the mid-1990s.

Obama was roughly 8 years old when Ayers, now at the University of Illinois at Chicago, was working with the Weather Underground, which took responsibility for bombings that included nonfatal blasts at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol. McCain's vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, has said that Obama "pals around with terrorists."

In McCain's case, Singlaub knew McCain's father, a Navy admiral who had sought Singlaub's counsel when McCain, a Navy pilot, became a prisoner of war and spent 5 1/2 years in North Vietnamese hands.

"John's father asked me for advice about what he ought to do now that his son had been shot down and captured," Singlaub recalled in one of two recent interviews. "I said, 'As long as you don't give any impression that you care more about him than you care about any of the other prisoners, he won't be treated any differently.'"

Covert arms shipments to the rebels called Contras, financed in part by secret arms sales to Iran, became known as the Iran-Contra affair. They proved to be the undoing of Singlaub's council.

In 1987, the Internal Revenue Service withdrew the tax-exempt status of Singlaub's group because of its activities on behalf of the Contras.

Elected to the House in 1982 and at a time when he was on the board of Singlaub's council, McCain was among Republicans on Capitol Hill expressing support for the Contras, a CIA-organized guerrilla force in Central America. In 1984, Congress cut off CIA funds for the Contras.

Months before the cutoff, top Reagan administration officials ramped up a secret White House-directed supply network and put National Security Council aide Oliver North in charge of running it. The goal was to keep the Contras operational until Congress could be persuaded to resume CIA funding.

Singlaub's private group became the public cover for the White House operation.

Secretly, Singlaub worked with North in an effort to raise millions of dollars from foreign governments.

McCain has said previously he resigned from the council in 1984 and asked in 1986 to have his name removed from the group's letterhead.

"I didn't know whether (the group's activity) was legal or illegal, but I didn't think I wanted to be associated with them," McCain said in a newspaper interview in 1986.

Singlaub does not recall any McCain resignation in 1984 or May 1986. Nor does Joyce Downey, who oversaw the group's day-to-day activities.

"That's a surprise to me," Singlaub said. "This is the first time I've ever heard that. There may have been someone in his office communicating with our office."

"I don't ever remember hearing about his resigning, but I really wasn't worried about that part of our activities, a housekeeping thing," said Singlaub. "If he didn't want to be on the board that's OK. It wasn't as if he had been active participant and we were going to miss his help. He had no active interest. He certainly supported us."

[PetreTG]

Hey stupid fuck, remember when your mouth was full of mccains cock and you made the baseless implication that there was no way he could have known that ifill was writing a book? :atu: GOOGLE search, it was in news paper articles? McCain didn't do a simple google search, there fault they didn't know, keep swallowing dumbass.

Now your pussy ass will run again watch this.

Hey Petre, what was ayers convicted of?

What people did he attempt to kill?

What people did he kill?

What people did he want to kill?

Where are his writings or speeches that supported killing anyone?

Put up or shut up bitch.

You are too retarded to debate IandI ... that's a fact.

The simple fact that you think I support McCain and ramble on and on about it like a broken record is proof enough of that. Before you or anyone else brought up anything negative about McCain I brought up the Keating5 and the fact that McCain tried to block the release of POW's along with a plethora of other negatives about him from immigration to association.

Everyone knows the Weatherunderground headed by Ayers was a domestic terrorist organization. They got off on a technicality or they'd have served jail time for sure. Their plans are also well known.

What's funny is the only one disputing their terrorist status is your retarded ass.

At least everyone else is smart enough to just dispute the connection between Ayers and Obama , which they hope is as far apart as possible.

Go away little retarded troll.

[PetreTG]

On March 17, 2005, a UN panel described terrorism as any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism

apparently the weathermen never physically injured anybody. so under that UN definition they're not terrorist. i'm not upholding that definition - i'm just saying there's equivocation about the word 'terrorist', and i and i is not dumb to suggest that terrorism requires violence, or even that it requires murder.

Or it simply requires proven intent to do so.

[PetreTG]

Oh...lest we not forget...Palin's hubby was a member of the Succession group in Alaska...how's that for unAmerican?

So was Palin for a short time ... I posted a video of her speaking before them in one of these threads ...

It was the Alaskan Independence Party she was part of before she became a mayor.

Here's the vid again ...

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[Father of Muzse]

So was Palin for a short time ... I posted a video of her speaking before them in one of these threads ...

It was the Alaskan Independence Party she was part of before she became a mayor.

Here's the vid again ...

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I thought it was proven that she wasn't part of the group but spoke at an event...earlier this year, correct? Her hubby absolutely was a member...my recollection is, she never was.

EDIT:

From Factcheck.org

Closet Secessionist?


Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party – which calls for a vote on whether Alaska should secede from the union or remain a state – despite mistaken reports to the contrary. But her husband was a member for years, and she attended at least one party convention, as mayor of the town in which it was held.

The party's chair originally told reporters that Palin had been a member, but the official later retracted that statement. Chairwoman Lynette Clark told the New York Times that false information had been given to her by another member of the party after she first told the Times and others that Palin joined the AIP in 1994. Clark issued an apology on the AIP Web site.

The director of Alaska’s Division of Elections, Gail Fenumiai, confirms that Palin registered to vote in the state for the first time in May 1982 as a Republican and hasn’t changed her party affiliation since. She also told FactCheck.org that Palin’s husband, Todd, was registered with AIP from October 1995 to July 2000, and again from September 2000 until July 2002. (He has since been registered as undeclared.) However, the AIP says Todd Palin "never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time."

There is still some dispute as to whether Sarah Palin also attended the AIP’s 1994 convention, held in Wasilla. Clark and another AIP official told ABC News’ Jake Tapper that both Palins were there. Palin was elected mayor of Wasilla two years later. The McCain campaign says Sarah Palin went to the 2000 AIP convention, also held in Wasilla, “as a courtesy since she was mayor.” As governor, Palin sent a video message to the 2008 convention, which is available on YouTube, and the AIP says she attended in 2006 when she was campaigning.

[PetreTG]

I thought it was proven that she wasn't part of the group but spoke at an event...earlier this year, correct? Her hubby absolutely was a member...my recollection is, she never was.

I'd have to find it again , but I read "for a very short period of time" she was a member ... thus speaking up for them here.

Could have simply been speculation.

I believe there was some news on it debating whether or not she was as well.

[Father of Muzse]

I'd have to find it again , but I read "for a very short period of time" she was a member ... thus speaking up for them here.

Could have simply been speculation.

I believe there was some news on it debating whether or not she was as well.

See my edited post.

[bigdawg]

Joe,You were riding Mccains nuts extremely hard and you never had anything bad to say about him. Now that Mccain is getting his ass handed to him both candidates are shitty. However you defend Mccain but never have anything positive to say about Obama. I have a question for you. How do you explain the keating5 that Mccain was involved in that fucked the economy up in the past. And how do u explain the fact that Mccain has history of associating wit white supremist people. As being a minority this don't bother do? Or have you totally sold out. I mean I can understand why some cats on this site support him cause the association with white supremist falls right in line wit their beliefs. But wit u I don't understand. I'll Holla 5000

[PetreTG]

For anyone that wants to learn about the Weather Underground ...

Here is a video/documentary from 1975 that THEY MADE ... talking about being underground for 5 years and the need to be because their plan was to over throw our government of the time.
Video part 1
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Parts 1-6 in their entirety
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IandI's next comment ...

Hey stupid fuck ... your mouth is full of mccains cock

Pussy ass ... run again Hey Petre, what was ayers convicted of?

What people did he attempt to kill?

What people did he kill?

What people did he want to kill?

Yeah but ... Where are his writings or speeches that supported killing anyone?

Put up or shut up bitch.

blah blah blah blah
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[PetreTG]

See my edited post.

There you go .. :bears:

[Father of Muzse]

For anyone that wants to learn about the Weather Underground ...

Here is a video/documentary from 1975 that THEY MADE ... talking about being underground for 5 years and the need to be because their plan was to over throw our government of the time.
Video part 1
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Parts 1-6 in their entirety
http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/play_playlistButton-vfl5358.gif (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxXfenh-vKY&feature=PlayList&p=932EB79C3E32559E&index=0&playnext=1) Play All Videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxXfenh-vKY&feature=PlayList&p=932EB79C3E32559E&index=0&playnext=1)

IandI's next comment ...

Hey stupid fuck ... your mouth is full of mccains cock

Pussy ass ... run again Hey Petre, what was ayers convicted of?

What people did he attempt to kill?

What people did he kill?

What people did he want to kill?

Yeah but ... Where are his writings or speeches that supported killing anyone?

Put up or shut up bitch.

blah blah blah blah
blb blb blbb b b blb
http://www.canastahotel.com/crazy_man_straight_jacket_nod_lg_wht.gif

POINT OF REFERENCE...

Obama was 14 and living in Hawaii at the time this video was made. He didn't move to Chicago until 10 years later.

[PetreTG]

POINT OF REFERENCE...

Obama was 14 and living in Hawaii at the time this video was made. He didn't move to Chicago until 10 years later.

I think the issue here is the label they put on Ayers ... Terrorist or Former Terrorist.

The associations between the two there is no question about during Obama's political career. For them to deny it will only get them exposed.

[Father of Muzse]

I think the issue here is the label they put on Ayers ... Terrorist or Former Terrorist.

The associations between the two there is no question about during Obama's political career. For them to deny it will only get them exposed.

I think the point is that he and Obama didn't have a friendship and simply sat on the same board.

regardless, if you want to bring up something like that...then all of McCain's foilbles are fair game along with the DUI Palin's hubby got.

It's all silly.

Put it this way, McCain had more of a relationship with Charles Keating than Obama had with Ayers. hell, McCain used the guys island retreat eight or nine times? McCain's wife and Keating were business partners.

That's why I say it's ridiculous for McCain to hang his chin out there like this.

[PetreTG]

I agree that both's associations need to be questioned.

[PetreTG]

Another documentary about the Weathermen/underground ...

Just the first 3 minutes tells you a lot in their own words declaring war against the government of the USA.

Interesting and disturbing documentary I must say ...

Part 1 of 9 parts.
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[Joe King]

Joe,You were riding Mccains nuts extremely hard and you never had anything bad to say about him. Now that Mccain is getting his ass handed to him both candidates are shitty. However you defend Mccain but never have anything positive to say about Obama. I have a question for you. How do you explain the keating5 that Mccain was involved in that fucked the economy up in the past. And how do u explain the fact that Mccain has history of associating wit white supremist people. As being a minority this don't bother do? Or have you totally sold out. I mean I can understand why some cats on this site support him cause the association with white supremist falls right in line wit their beliefs. But wit u I don't understand. I'll Holla 5000

I hadn't heard anything about the Keating 5 and the only thing I thought was semi-racist by McCain was that he voted very late for MLK day. Obama could have a clean record and I'd still think he would be unqualified and I'd still disagree with his liberal stance and voting record.

[slystaff]

I agree that both's associations need to be questioned.
Good. And this is why I respect you even when we disagree, you're a reasonable man.

Now try to convert TFK...

[bigdawg]

I hadn't heard anything about the Keating 5 and the only thing I thought was semi-racist by McCain was that he voted very late for MLK day. Obama could have a clean record and I'd still think he would be unqualified and I'd still disagree with his liberal stance and voting record.

So now u know that mccain pales around with a known white supremist how does that make u feel. I mean as a minority that should tell u something about his character. I'll Holla 5000

[bigdawg]

Here is the double standard that certain groups of people have to go through. Could u imagine if Michelle Obama was in a group who's mission statement was "I'm an Alaskan, not an American.. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions. The fires of hell are glaciers compared to my hate for America and her government." Just imagine if she was associated wit a an oranization who felt like that. To me that sounds like a terroist. But like I said there is a double standard when it comes to certain people.For all of those mccain/palin supporters can yall explain why the maverick/hannity don't talk this? I'll Holla 5000

[slystaff]

Here is the double standard that certain groups of people have to go through. Could u imagine if Michelle Obama was in a group who's mission statement was "I'm an Alaskan, not an American.. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions. The fires of hell are glaciers compared to my hate for America and her government." Just imagine if she was associated wit a an oranization who felt like that. To me that sounds like a terroist. But like I said there is a double standard when it comes to certain people.For all of those mccain/palin supporters can yall explain why the maverick/hannity don't talk this? I'll Holla 5000
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[I and I]

Obam didn't hang out with every member of the weather underground.

JOHN BROWN WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST AMERICANS

Obama had associations with the one guy that THE FEDS DROPPED CHARGES ON. Does Petre or TFK have some evidence that the feds overlooked????

[I and I]

A dum di di dum dum dum

:hammert:

Yep, lets see the "non mccain supporters" wink wink, defend that recent statement by McTraitor.

:hammert:

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

I thought you were going to China after you finish Film School..:dunno: 2-3 years later you still breathing american air....isn't the freedom of it all choking you yet..?

[I and I]

I thought you were going to China after you finish Film School..:dunno: 2-3 years later you still breathing american air....isn't the freedom of it all choking you yet..?


McCain told me that the fundamentals of the economy are strong though. :laughing:

[I and I]

I

:hammert:

FUCKIN

:hammert:

LOVE IT.


More rightwing hypocrisy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6MxxwW9Y7Y
http://pssht.com/biography/jerome_corsi.html
http://tomdegan.blogspot.com/2008/08/jerome-corsi-is-liar-and-pervert.html

Maybe he too has a wide stance.

[I and I]

The majority of capitalist countries are total failures and the ones that aren't failures have had to move to more socialist policies to stay alive.

Now in "I O CHINA" america Capitalism is going down faster than a 16 yr old male intern at a republicans offices.

Capitalism, the sweet smell of success. :popcorn:

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

McCain told me that the fundamentals of the economy are strong though. :laughing:


And you were stupid enough to believe him......:doh:

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

what was that...?

[Joe King]

http://www.hemmy.net/images/interesting/fail28.jpg

[Joe King]

http://www.hemmy.net/images/interesting/fail28.jpg

[Joe King]

http://www.hemmy.net/images/interesting/fail28.jpg

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

These threads are funny..how many rightwinger we have in this forum? maybe Joe King(cause of the GOD bullshit phase)...? Godfather(i think he bullshitting though)...who else?

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

But here is I and I a guy that has probably NEVER VOTED...because he believes both parties are bullshit and at the end of the day do the same things...but he likes picking one side(obama) over the other...

[r o o s t e r]

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idiots spelled 'secessionist' wrong.

[I and I]

http://www.hemmy.net/images/interesting/fail28.jpg


FAIL=McCain saying "the fundamentals of the economy are strong"

Apparently joe king believes McCain. :hammert:

[I and I]

But here is I and I a guy that has probably NEVER VOTED...because he believes both parties are bullshit and at the end of the day do the same things...but he likes picking one side(obama) over the other...


What does voting have to do with freedom anyway?

[James68]

Obam didn't hang out with every member of the weather underground.

JOHN BROWN WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST AMERICANS

Obama had associations with the one guy that THE FEDS DROPPED CHARGES ON. Does Petre or TFK have some evidence that the feds overlooked????

:boohoo: Wow you missed half the thread ....take the rest of the thread off.

[r o o s t e r]

regardless of who's worse, the completely ugly, disingenuous 'politicking' done by both sides demeans us all.

and funny that this whole race becomes a soap opera for the entire world to watch, a melodramatic US export like 'Dallas' or 'Dynasty'.

[PetreTG]

Whooops .... CNN exposes more than a passing knowledge of Ayers by Obama ... Bye bye , Idiot and Ignoramus

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[slystaff]

Whooops .... CNN exposes more than a passing knowledge of Ayers by Obama ... Bye bye , Idiot and Ignoramus

<SCRIPT src="http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/js/2.0/video/evp/module.js?loc=dom&vid=/video/politics/2008/10/07/griffin.obama.ayers.cnn" type=text/javascript></SCRIPT><NOSCRIPT>Embedded video from CNN Video (http://www.cnn.com/video)</NOSCRIPT>Staunch Republicans who were friends with Ronald Reagan (no less) also served on the board with Ayers.

So what?

You think Obama was plotting to bomb buildings when he was 8 years old?

[PetreTG]

Staunch Republicans who were friends with Ronald Reagan (no less) also served on the board with Ayers.

So what?

You think Obama was plotting to bomb buildings when he was 8 years old?

That was never the point Sly and you know it.

[TFK]

Staunch Republicans who were friends with Ronald Reagan (no less) also served on the board with Ayers.

So what?

You think Obama was plotting to bomb buildings when he was 8 years old?


It's ridiculous that Obama's defenders use the 'Obama was 8 when it happened' defense. That just makes it worse. If Ayers commited terrorist acts 'after' he met Obama, than Obama would have an alibi, but the fact that he chose to associate with Ayers knowing his background shows a clear lack of judgement.


TFK

[slystaff]

It's ridiculous that Obama's defenders use the 'Obama was 8 when it happened' defense. That just makes it worse. If Ayers commited terrorist acts 'after' he met Obama, than Obama would have an alibi, but the fact that he chose to associate with Ayers knowing his background shows a clear lack of judgement.


TFK

Nonsense.

Ayers is no longer bombing buildings..for if he were he would be in jail and not a respected University lecturer. Should we simply write people off for the sins of the past. Should we have no grace.

Ayers never killed anyone nor intended to kill anyone...he was merely protesting against the vietnam war. Obama has spoken out against Ayers' actions and spoken out againsgt that type of violent demonstration.

Dude if Obama is wrong for sitting on a board with this guy..even if he thinks that he purpose of these boards was to do GOOD...then not only is Ronald Reagan a BAD man for having associates on that very board but also you are saying that we should NEVER EVER forgive or associate with anyone who has had a criminal past..even if they are a now peace loving individual who's trying to do good in their communities etc.

Now I know that you're goig to say that Ayers never repented of those actions...but like I said...those were actions of prtest against Vietnam..which MANY people protested..he just chose a violent route...which was bad...but he's not some kinda killer or Al Qaeda type terrorist!

[I and I]

Why does Joe Trig and Petre believe McCains statement that the fundamentals of the economy are strong?

[TFK]

Nonsense.

Ayers is no longer bombing buildings..for if he were he would be in jail and not a respected University lecturer. Should we simply write people off for the sins of the past. Should we have no grace.

Ayers never killed anyone nor intended to kill anyone...he was merely protesting against the vietnam war. Obama has spoken out against Ayers' actions and spoken out againsgt that type of violent demonstration.

Dude if Obama is wrong for sitting on a board with this guy..even if he thinks that he purpose of these boards was to do GOOD...then not only is Ronald Reagan a BAD man for having associates on that very board but also you are saying that we should NEVER EVER forgive or associate with anyone who has had a criminal past..even if they are a now peace loving individual who's trying to do good in their communities etc.

Now I know that you're goig to say that Ayers never repented of those actions...but like I said...those were actions of prtest against Vietnam..which MANY people protested..he just chose a violent route...which was bad...but he's not some kinda killer or Al Qaeda type terrorist!



Like I said, in your eyes, even when Obama does wrong, he can do no wrong.

I'm not gonna argue the definition of 'terrorist' with you, but for you to excuse bombing the Pentagon, the Capitol and Police Stations is ridiculous, especially since Ayers has said he doesn't think they did enough, and wouldn't discount the possibility of future bombings.

Honestly Sly, for you to excuse those kind of actions, all because of your blind loyalty to Obama, that's pathetic.

TFK

[Baron]

Like I said, in your eyes, even when Obama does wrong, he can do no wrong.

I'm not gonna argue the definition of 'terrorist' with you, but for you to excuse bombing the Pentagon, the Capitol and Police Stations is ridiculous, especially since Ayers has said he doesn't think they did enough, and wouldn't discount the possibility of future bombings.

Honestly Sly, for you to excuse those kind of actions, all because of your blind loyalty to Obama, that's pathetic.

TFK

I'm not too familiar with this story, but are you claiming that Ayers still says what I highlighted in your post? When did he say that exactly?

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Why does Joe Trig and Petre believe McCains statement that the fundamentals of the economy are strong?

why what? is that a question...??

[TFK]

I'm not too familiar with this story, but are you claiming that Ayers still says what I highlighted in your post? When did he say that exactly?


I believe he was quoted in an interview as saying that in 2001.

TFK

[Joe King]

Why does Joe Trig and Petre believe McCains statement that the fundamentals of the economy are strong?

I don't believe him you idiot. I've said that his stance on it is part of the reason my support for him has diminished, that and his obvious political plays.

[PetreTG]

I believe I've figured out why I and I constantly argues issues no one is arguing.

The secret is in his alias.

He's a bipolar lunatic with split personality disorder and in reality he's having arguments with himself.

Further the reason for the idiotic arguments is as simple as the acronym of the name would imply.

Imbecile and Ignoramus are in a death struggle for supremacy of this mentally retarded trolls mind.

Pity the fool.

[Joe King]

I believe I've figured out why I and I constantly argues issues no one is arguing.

The secret is in his alias.

He's a bipolar lunatic with split personality disorder and in reality he's having arguments with himself.

Further the reason for the idiotic arguments is as simple as the acronym of the name would imply.

Imbecile and Ignoramus are in a death struggle for supremacy of this mentally retarded trolls mind.

Pity the fool.
http://www.theretrobaby.com/store/images/MrT2.gif

[Matchup_Analyzer]

I've already seen the "That one" T shirts with Obama's face on it.

The "that one" comment may very well be the next "primal scream" which sealed the fate of another bid for President years ago.

[Matchup_Analyzer]

:lol:

[bigdawg]

It's ridiculous that Obama's defenders use the 'Obama was 8 when it happened' defense. That just makes it worse. If Ayers commited terrorist acts 'after' he met Obama, than Obama would have an alibi, but the fact that he chose to associate with Ayers knowing his background shows a clear lack of judgement.


TFK


So what about Mcains association close association with a white supremacist named Richard Quinn who found himself hired as a political advisor by McCain in 2000. What about him also associating with Jesse Helms and the rest of the racist republicans. Perhaps this is the reason it took him so long to recoginze MLK cause deep down inside he's a racist! And what about him calling his wife a cunt in front of some media people. Now I know that he's stated that peoples children should not be talked about in policitics but I guess it's cool for him to talk shit about Chelsea Clinton. Does this not show a clear lack of judgment and someone that can't control himself. I'll Holla 5000

[bigdawg]

Nonsense.

Ayers is no longer bombing buildings..for if he were he would be in jail and not a respected University lecturer. Should we simply write people off for the sins of the past. Should we have no grace.

Ayers never killed anyone nor intended to kill anyone...he was merely protesting against the vietnam war. Obama has spoken out against Ayers' actions and spoken out againsgt that type of violent demonstration.

Dude if Obama is wrong for sitting on a board with this guy..even if he thinks that he purpose of these boards was to do GOOD...then not only is Ronald Reagan a BAD man for having associates on that very board but also you are saying that we should NEVER EVER forgive or associate with anyone who has had a criminal past..even if they are a now peace loving individual who's trying to do good in their communities etc.

Now I know that you're goig to say that Ayers never repented of those actions...but like I said...those were actions of prtest against Vietnam..which MANY people protested..he just chose a violent route...which was bad...but he's not some kinda killer or Al Qaeda type terrorist!


Here in lies the double standard that Obama must face. We have Republicans who palled around with Ayers but for some reason the Hannitys of the world don't talk about that. Only Obama's somewhat relationship. Quick question how many terrorist get voted citizen of the year award? How is that possible? I'll Holla 5000

[Joe King]

Who gives a fuck about who they hang out with??? Obama sucks and will make this country worse than it already is with his policies.

[TFK]

So what about Mcains association close association with a white supremacist named Richard Quinn who found himself hired as a political advisor by McCain in 2000. What about him also associating with Jesse Helms and the rest of the racist republicans. Perhaps this is the reason it took him so long to recoginze MLK cause deep down inside he's a racist! And what about him calling his wife a cunt in front of some media people. Now I know that he's stated that peoples children should not be talked about in policitics but I guess it's cool for him to talk shit about Chelsea Clinton. Does this not show a clear lack of judgment and someone that can't control himself. I'll Holla 5000



Just like Sly, you can't defend Obama. You can only point the finger at others in an attempt to take the focus off of Obama's weaknesses.

It doesn't work though.


TFK

[bigdawg]

Just like Sly, you can't defend Obama. You can only point the finger at others in an attempt to take the focus off of Obama's weaknesses.

It doesn't work though.


TFK

In other words it's ok for Mccain to have those types of associates which has not been mentioned in the media but yet I'm taking the focus off Obama? Like many have stated Ayers is not a close friend of Obama. THey do not pal around like stupid ass Palin indicated. As a matter of fact Obama has already been questioned about this associate and addressed it. But for some reason dumb ass Palin who finally decided to pick up a news paper thought that she would bring some old shit up. Hell why not question Mccains past and current associates? WHat's good for the goose has got to be good for the gander.

Her and Mccain claim they love america. If that's the case how in the hell can Palin marry a dude who was a member of the separatist group that hates america. She is fucking a dude that hates the country that she allegedly loves. Don't you find that kind of strange. Not only that but Mccain the war hero choose this idiot as his potiential vp who once has ties or was a recent member of this hateful group. That to me is poor judgment. As mentioned earlier I am only pointing the fingers back at you and your guy. I'll Holla 5000

[bigdawg]

Who gives a fuck about who they hang out with??? Obama sucks and will make this country worse than it already is with his policies.


Shut the fuck up Joe. You ass was all up on the Bill AYers shit when it first came out. Now that shit is coming out about candidate and his associates you all of a sudden don't give a fuck. Get the fuck outta here. And you claim that Obama will make the country worse. Perhaps he will but perhaps he won't. We don't know cause he ain't never had the chance to fuck the world up. But what we do know is that mccain and his party has been in power for the past 8 years and guess what the country is fucked up! I'll Holla 5000

[bigdawg]

Just like Sly, you can't defend Obama. You can only point the finger at others in an attempt to take the focus off of Obama's weaknesses.

It doesn't work though.


TFK

Quick question. Was that you that yelled to kill Obama in Florida? I got $100 that says it was you.

My real question is this. Name a terrorist that is such a threat to the US but yet gets voted and wins the citizen of the year award. How the fuck does that happen. I'll Holla 5000

[I and I]

Why are the Thre K's of fightbeat withholding evidence from the Federal government?

Ayers had the charges against him dropped by the feds.

Ayers never killed anyone.

Never wanted to

never tried to

never believed in killing anyone

But this guy is a terrorist? What a fucking joke.

I love how there are regular racists, then there are pussy racists, you know, like Petre, TFK, and joe trig, who hide their racism behind bullshit attacks, and spew other rightwing nazis lies about people.

[I and I]

I believe I've figured out why I and I constantly argues issues no one is arguing.

The secret is in his alias.

He's a bipolar lunatic with split personality disorder and in reality he's having arguments with himself.

Further the reason for the idiotic arguments is as simple as the acronym of the name would imply.

Imbecile and Ignoramus are in a death struggle for supremacy of this mentally retarded trolls mind.

Pity the fool.

Petre attacks anyone who attacks McCain, then pretends to not support McCain.

Hey stupid, your boy mKKKain said "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" are you going to keep implying that it's my fault that he said that, or are you going to grow a pair and comment on McCains views on the economy?

[I and I]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c77MjyLvSUU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CowWSNO6v30&feature=related

RACIST RIGHTWING PRICKS, Petre, Joe, TFK, go ahead and defend another rightwing racist, for old time sake.

[I and I]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmeGpAzPIho

[bigdawg]

My question is that how come they don't go after Todd Palin who was a member of the separatist group that flat out indicates that they hate america. Why not go after them dudes. I'll Holla 5000

[Joe King]

My question is that how come they don't go after Todd Palin who was a member of the separatist group that flat out indicates that they hate america. Why not go after them dudes. I'll Holla 5000

They are going after them. That's the whole reason we're hearing about this.

[TFK]

In other words it's ok for Mccain to have those types of associates which has not been mentioned in the media but yet I'm taking the focus off Obama? Like many have stated Ayers is not a close friend of Obama. THey do not pal around like stupid ass Palin indicated. As a matter of fact Obama has already been questioned about this associate and addressed it. But for some reason dumb ass Palin who finally decided to pick up a news paper thought that she would bring some old shit up. Hell why not question Mccains past and current associates? WHat's good for the goose has got to be good for the gander.

Her and Mccain claim they love america. If that's the case how in the hell can Palin marry a dude who was a member of the separatist group that hates america. She is fucking a dude that hates the country that she allegedly loves. Don't you find that kind of strange. Not only that but Mccain the war hero choose this idiot as his potiential vp who once has ties or was a recent member of this hateful group. That to me is poor judgment. As mentioned earlier I am only pointing the fingers back at you and your guy. I'll Holla 5000


Again, no actual defense of Obama, just more of you trying to take the focus off of what Obama did.

And I've stated numerous times that I'm not voting for McCain, so you really should try paying attention.

TFK

[TFK]

Quick question. Was that you that yelled to kill Obama in Florida? I got $100 that says it was you.




BD, we all know you're an ignorant racist, but that's pathetic even for you.


TFK

[Joe King]

Shut the fuck up Joe. You ass was all up on the Bill AYers shit when it first came out. Now that shit is coming out about candidate and his associates you all of a sudden don't give a fuck. Get the fuck outta here. And you claim that Obama will make the country worse. Perhaps he will but perhaps he won't. We don't know cause he ain't never had the chance to fuck the world up. But what we do know is that mccain and his party has been in power for the past 8 years and guess what the country is fucked up! I'll Holla 5000

Go and find the posts where I talked about Ayers. I think the McCain campaign is fucking up by focusing on this really. They should just portray Obama as the socialist baby killing gay marriage supporting juvenile candidate that he is.

[TFK]

Why are the Thre K's of fightbeat withholding evidence from the Federal government?

Ayers had the charges against him dropped by the feds.

Ayers never killed anyone.

Never wanted to

never tried to

never believed in killing anyone

But this guy is a terrorist? What a fucking joke.




Still harping on the opinion that you have to kill somebody to be a terrorist?

Call Ayers a terrorist, call him a vandal, call him the King of fucking England if you want, it doesn't change the fact that he was a close associate of Obama's who made contributions to his campaigns and who hosted Obama's political coming out party, and he was part of a group who bombed the Capitol and the Pentagon, and years later said he felt he didn't do enough and wouldn't discount doing it again.

So you can argue semantics all you want, it doesn't change who Ayers is or what he did.

TFK

[slystaff]

Still harping on the opinion that you have to kill somebody to be a terrorist?

Call Ayers a terrorist, call him a vandal, call him the King of fucking England if you want, it doesn't change the fact that he was a close associate of Obama's who made contributions to his campaigns and who hosted Obama's political coming out party, and he was part of a group who bombed the Capitol and the Pentagon, and years later said he felt he didn't do enough and wouldn't discount doing it again.

So you can argue semantics all you want, it doesn't change who Ayers is or what he did.

TFKIt doesn't make Obama a terrorist or terrorist supporter or terrorist lover any more than it make Ronald Reagan's friends who were also on the board...terrorists, or the Bush Family Al Qaeda, or me a cocaine addict (I have a childhood friend that was into cocain a few years ago)..or Ron Paul a vile RACIST considering some people that contributed to his newspaper said racist things, or mcCain a crazy religious nut because of teh views of pasrors he was friendly with and asked for their support started preaching stuff that is considered anti-semitic and inflamatory.

[bigdawg]

Again, no actual defense of Obama, just more of you trying to take the focus off of what Obama did.

And I've stated numerous times that I'm not voting for McCain, so you really should try paying attention.

TFK

Yeah right. Your ass is voting for mccain. Who the fuck do you think you're fooling. But for a person to claim that they aren't voting for mccain or obama you damn sure do a good job defending him. But hey your not voting for him. Now about the Ayers bullshit which Obama has already spoke about and indicated his stance on the situation. You claim that I am pointing the finger at mccain. I'm only pointing out mccains associations just like you are pointing out obamas association. We can question obamas associations but its not cool to discuss mccains. Get the fuck outta here. Your boy is a racist for the simple fact that he continues to associate with them. For person that's not votinh why wouldn't you questions mccains associates? I'll Holla 5000

[PetreTG]

I believe I've figured out why I and I constantly argues issues no one is arguing.

The secret is in his alias.

He's a bipolar lunatic with split personality disorder and in reality he's having arguments with himself.

Further the reason for the idiotic arguments is as simple as the acronym of the name would imply.

Imbecile and Ignoramus are in a death struggle for supremacy of this mentally retarded trolls mind.

Pity the fool.


Petre attacks anyone who attacks McCain, then pretends to not support McCain.

Hey stupid, your boy mKKKain said "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" are you going to keep implying that it's my fault that he said that, or are you going to grow a pair and comment on McCains views on the economy?

See what I mean ?

He's still trying to make an argument no one has ever made.

Get help troll.

[bigdawg]

TFK,You have yet to address any things regarding mccain/palin. How do u feel about Todd Palin. I mean what about him being a member of the alaskan independence party whose goal is sucession from the US. What about that? Not to mention the hatred that the leader of the group has spewed. What do you think about this. I mean I want to know what a person who has no vested interest in either candidate. Next question. You claimed that the media attacked palins kids. What about mccain attacking Chelsea clinton. What about mccain calling his wife a cunt. What is your take on my questions. Just wondering. I'll Holla 5000

[bigdawg]

They are going after them. That's the whole reason we're hearing about this.

Where? I haven't seen any stories about Sara Palins relationship wit a known seperatist. I mean I know its her husband but damn if people are going to be judged on who they associate with then she has to be held liable as well.As far as the video goes regarding oreiley. All I can say is that as a nation the media wants us to think that we have progressed racially but in all honesty all that has happened is that people were able to hide surpress their true feelings but now that obama is on the verge of winning the election people can't control themselves and the racial shit is starting to creep out more and more. But then again I am only 1 generation removed from all the bullshit that my parents had to go through. I'll Holla 5000

[Joe King]

What is really funny is that there are 20 or more threads and my response makes it 100 responses.:lol:

[Andrew]

Stop spamming I & I's thread Petre :lol:

But seriously, bravo.

[PetreTG]

This one legitimate thread , by the very definition of dumb luck will stay on it's own , even though it's beginnings were as retarded as all the Little Yellow Bus threads...

[PetreTG]

What is really funny is that there are 20 or more threads and my response makes it 100 responses.:lol:

Yeah .... and I have 16 responses like this

.

(just a period)

To bring them together for merging.

[Joe King]

I'm posting as much as I can in some page 2-3 threads to wipe I and I's moved threads out off of the main TAA page.

[PetreTG]

Stop spamming I & I's thread Petre :lol:

But seriously, bravo.

Thanks ... Time to move good threads his crap has been pushing off the pages back to the front of the line...

[TFK]

It doesn't make Obama a terrorist or terrorist supporter or terrorist lover any more than it make Ronald Reagan's friends who were also on the board...terrorists, or the Bush Family Al Qaeda, or me a cocaine addict (I have a childhood friend that was into cocain a few years ago)..or Ron Paul a vile RACIST considering some people that contributed to his newspaper said racist things, or mcCain a crazy religious nut because of teh views of pasrors he was friendly with and asked for their support started preaching stuff that is considered anti-semitic and inflamatory.


Still can't defend Obama, so you point the finger toward Reagan, Bush, Ron Paul and John McCain.

Cowardly avoidance of the topic at hand duely noted.

TFK

[TFK]

Yeah right. Your ass is voting for mccain. Who the fuck do you think you're fooling.

See, that's the reaction of a typical closed minded, ignorant Obama worshipper. BD just can't accept the fact you don't have to be a McCain supporter to be against Obama. He can't accept the fact that you don't have to be a Republican, or be a racist to be against Obama.

In his simple mind, if you don't support Obama, it's because you're a racist or a hardcore McCain supporting right wing loyalist.

I'm not voting for McCain. I've made that painfully clear. But ignorant close minded Bigdog just can't accept that.




But for a person to claim that they aren't voting for mccain or obama you damn sure do a good job defending him.



When have I ever defended McCain?

Oh, that's right, I haven't.

TFK

[TFK]

TFK,You have yet to address any things regarding mccain/palin. How do u feel about Todd Palin. I mean what about him being a member of the alaskan independence party whose goal is sucession from the US. What about that? Not to mention the hatred that the leader of the group has spewed. What do you think about this. I mean I want to know what a person who has no vested interest in either candidate. Next question. You claimed that the media attacked palins kids. What about mccain attacking Chelsea clinton. What about mccain calling his wife a cunt. What is your take on my questions. Just wondering. I'll Holla 5000


My take on your questions is that you are cowardly avoiding the topic of Obama, because you have no defense other than to point fingers elsewhere and hope people get distracted and don't see Obama for what he truly is.

As for Palin's husband, I don't know the facts behind it all, so if you have any good links, post them and I'll give you my opinion on them.

TFK

[Joe King]

This one legitimate thread , by the very definition of dumb luck will stay on it's own , even though it's beginnings were as retarded as all the Little Yellow Bus threads...
It took about 20 minutes of work and about 20 posts, but the forum looks great again:kidcool:

[I and I]

When republicans get caught trying to suck dick, I guess it pisses the rightwingers off enough to hide it in thread that have nothing do with each other.

:lol:

[TFK]

When republicans get caught trying to suck dick, I guess it pisses the rightwingers off enough to hide it in thread that have nothing do with each other.

:lol:



I didn't realize you were a republican.

TFK

[I and I]

Still harping on the opinion that you have to kill somebody to be a terrorist?

Call Ayers a terrorist, call him a vandal, call him the King of fucking England if you want, it doesn't change the fact that he was a close associate of Obama's who made contributions to his campaigns and who hosted Obama's political coming out party, and he was part of a group who bombed the Capitol and the Pentagon, and years later said he felt he didn't do enough and wouldn't discount doing it again.

So you can argue semantics all you want, it doesn't change who Ayers is or what he did.

TFK


I never said or implied that a person isn't a terrorist simply because he hasn't killed anyone.

I gave more reasons than that, and all of them combined which apply to bill ayers doesn't make him a terrorist.

NEVER KILLED ANYONE

NEVER TRIED TO KILL ANYONE

NEVER WANTED TO KILL ANYONE

NEVER BELIEVED IN KILLING ANYONE

THE FEDS DROP CHARGES AGAINST HIM

hey stupid, ALL of these combined means that someone isn't a terrorist.

I love how when you post facts about something, that one doesn't like then it's the classic "you are arguing semantics" :lol:

[I and I]

I didn't realize you were a republican.

TFK


It must be tough trying to get the topic off your republican boys sucking dick

[Haymaker]

:atu:

[Joe King]

This thread should be re-titled "I and I's last stand". He's going to be bumping this thread forever. I recommend putting this in the short bus thread.

[PetreTG]

A bucket full of mud just got slung ...

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[PetreTG]

I never said or implied that a person isn't a terrorist simply because he hasn't killed anyone.

I gave more reasons than that, and all of them combined which apply to bill ayers doesn't make him a terrorist.

NEVER KILLED ANYONE

NEVER TRIED TO KILL ANYONE

NEVER WANTED TO KILL ANYONE

NEVER BELIEVED IN KILLING ANYONE

THE FEDS DROP CHARGES AGAINST HIM

hey stupid, ALL of these combined means that someone isn't a terrorist.

I love how when you post facts about something, that one doesn't like then it's the classic "you are arguing semantics" :lol:

Honestly ... I don't think I've ever seen a more retarded argument.

But I guess winning at something is better than not at all.

[PetreTG]

Whooops .... CNN exposes more than a passing knowledge of Ayers by Obama ... Bye bye , Idiot and Ignoramus

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A little reminder to our resident troll from CNN.

[I and I]

Honestly ... I don't think I've ever seen a more retarded argument.

But I guess winning at something is better than not at all.

A retarded argument is saying that it is impossible for a white republican to be a muslim, but possible for obama to be. Petre is about to imagine quotation marks?

A retarded argument is blaming ifyll because McCains camp didn't research the people they chose to moderators. :lol:

A retarded argument is saying that obama is a radical christian and a radical muslim at the same time. :lol:

A retarded argument is implying that ifyll could be a biased moderator, but not questioning whether the white moderators could be biased. But we all know you are racist prick so we understand why you only questioned one and not the others.

A retarded argument is implying that Ron republican paul is somehow outside the main stream republicans. :lol:

A retarded argument is saying that someone who never kills anyone and never wants to and never tried to kill anyone and never believed in killing anyone is a terrorist. I guess that makes you a terrorist?

[slystaff]

A bucket full of mud just got slung ...


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That is some fucking dirty campaigning there. Typical GOP stuff.

It works though.

McCain is a low down dirty dog.:kick:

[His_Royness]

Yeah .... and I have 16 responses like this

.

(just a period)

To bring them together for merging.




at least delete that shit afterwards... what kind of moderator are you??? :nono:

[I and I]

hey umm

"THE FEDS DROPPED THE CHARGES AGAINST AYERS"

he is a terrorist according to petre??? :atu:

[PetreTG]

That is some fucking dirty campaigning there. Typical GOP stuff.

It works though.

McCain is a low down dirty dog.:kick:

It's going to sway a lot of votes no doubt.

My only concern as has always been , is with regards to Obama's honesty and his associations/ judgment .

[PetreTG]

A retarded argument is saying that it is impossible for a white republican to be a muslim, but possible for obama to be. Petre is about to imagine quotation marks?

A retarded argument is blaming ifyll because McCains camp didn't research the people they chose to moderators. :lol:

A retarded argument is saying that obama is a radical christian and a radical muslim at the same time. :lol:

A retarded argument is implying that ifyll could be a biased moderator, but not questioning whether the white moderators could be biased. But we all know you are racist prick so we understand why you only questioned one and not the others.

A retarded argument is implying that Ron republican paul is somehow outside the main stream republicans. :lol:

A retarded argument is saying that someone who never kills anyone and never wants to and never tried to kill anyone and never believed in killing anyone is a terrorist. I guess that makes you a terrorist?

Hey IandI ... did you know Charles Manson is really a nice guy ... he didn't kill anyone either.

[PetreTG]

at least delete that shit afterwards... what kind of moderator are you??? :nono:

I suppose I could do that ... I just didn't want to kill IandI's thread post count. :dunno:

[TFK]

That is some fucking dirty campaigning there. Typical GOP stuff.

It works though.

McCain is a low down dirty dog.:kick:

Is there anything inaccurate or wrong in that video?

TFK

[TFK]

I never said or implied that a person isn't a terrorist simply because he hasn't killed anyone.

I gave more reasons than that, and all of them combined which apply to bill ayers doesn't make him a terrorist.

NEVER KILLED ANYONE

NEVER TRIED TO KILL ANYONE

NEVER WANTED TO KILL ANYONE

NEVER BELIEVED IN KILLING ANYONE

THE FEDS DROP CHARGES AGAINST HIM

hey stupid, ALL of these combined means that someone isn't a terrorist.

I love how when you post facts about something, that one doesn't like then it's the classic "you are arguing semantics" :lol:


You keep dancing the same dance...


http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn193/Muktukjoe/retard.gif


You don't have to kill anyone to be a terrorist. We've already established that, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up.

And the charges were dropped on a technicality. That doesn't change what Ayers did.




TFK

[TFK]

It must be tough trying to get the topic off your republican boys sucking dick


It must be even tougher trying to convince yourself that I'm really a Republican when you know that I'm not.

But hey, why let facts get in the way of another attention craving retarded rant?

TFK

[slystaff]

Is there anything inaccurate or wrong in that video?

TFK

You kill me.


Friends (they were NOT friends)
Launched in Ayers’ living room (proven to be unfounded)
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Obama just said they were from the same neighborhood......Obama already discussed what went on in detail with Oreilly
<o:p>Why the focused on the bombing etc?</o:p>
“Obama too risky for <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>” based upon a backdrop of Ayer’s bombing pentagon etc.

It's a sleazy dirty campaign tactic like Bush's (snr) attacks on Dukakis 20 years ago...and sadly..like those...it'll probably work.

[TFK]

You kill me.


Friends (they were NOT friends)
Launched in Ayers’ living room (proven to be unfounded)
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Obama just said they were from the same neighborhood......Obama already discussed what went on in detail with Oreilly
<o:p>Why the focused on the bombing etc?</o:p>
“Obama too risky for <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>” based upon a backdrop of Ayer’s bombing pentagon etc.

It's a sleazy dirty campaign tactic like Bush's (snr) attacks on Dukakis 20 years ago...and sadly..like those...it'll probably work.


Wow, talk about head in the sand.


TFK

[PetreTG]

Whooops .... CNN exposes more than a passing knowledge of Ayers by Obama ... Bye bye , Idiot and Ignoramus

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You kill me.


Friends (they were NOT friends)
Launched in Ayers’ living room (proven to be unfounded)
<o:p></o:p>

Obama just said they were from the same neighborhood......Obama already discussed what went on in detail with Oreilly
<o:p>Why the focused on the bombing etc?</o:p>
“Obama too risky for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>” based upon a backdrop of Ayer’s bombing pentagon etc.

It's a sleazy dirty campaign tactic like Bush's (snr) attacks on Dukakis 20 years ago...and sadly..like those...it'll probably work.

Most will agree CNN is a bit more balanced in their portrayal and fact checking of the Obama / Ayers association.

The truth of the matter is Obama has been associated with many "radical" individuals over his lifetime. Many referred to as his mentors through highschool , college and beyond and all that leaned very radically to the left.

There's absolutely no doubt this influences his own extreme left tendencies as the most liberal man in congress and it's precisely why he consistently leans towards a Marxist Socialist point of view and both endorses as well as proposes such programs.

Right now , we are no longer seeing the TRUE OBAMA ... what we are seeing is the facade he knows he needs to put forth to get elected.

Looking at Obama's history , associations and record prior to his run for the presidency is paramount. And part of this IS his ties to Ayers. Same as his choice of Pastor was incredibly questionable as pertains to his own character.

Forget that Ayers was once considered a terrorist. What's true today is he has not changed his view on how America should be run and there's no doubt why he's supporting Obama.

Think of the people during this election that were highly criticized for whom they took donations from. Then without rose colored glasses on , look at Obama's association with Ayers in the light.

[slystaff]

Most will agree CNN is a bit more balanced in their portrayal and fact checking of the Obama / Ayers association.

The truth of the matter is Obama has been associated with many "radical" individuals over his lifetime. Many referred to as his mentors through highschool , college and beyond and all that leaned very radically to the left.

There's absolutely no doubt this influences his own extreme left tendencies as the most liberal man in congress and it's precisely why he consistently leans towards a Marxist Socialist point of view and both endorses as well as proposes such programs.

Right now , we are no longer seeing the TRUE OBAMA ... what we are seeing is the facade he knows he needs to put forth to get elected.

Looking at Obama's history , associations and record prior to his run for the presidency is paramount. And part of this IS his ties to Ayers. Same as his choice of Pastor was incredibly questionable as pertains to his own character.

Forget that Ayers was once considered a terrorist. What's true today is he has not changed his view on how America should be run and there's no doubt why he's supporting Obama.

Think of the people during this election that were highly criticized for whom they took donations from. Then without rose colored glasses on , look at Obama's association with Ayers in the light.Well it looks like you and TFK will get your heart's desire...because this negative campaign by Hannity and the McCain campaign is going to take its toll on the independent swing voters in the crucial states and swing this election in mcCain's favour.

Unless Obama's campaign were successful in getting alot of people to the polls very early....but the time Nov 4 comes...very few people will trust obama's character...will make the economic situation secondary..and have a huge vote of no confidence leading to an electoral vote landlside against him.

*sigh*

[TFK]

Well it looks like you and TFK will get your heart's desire...because this negative campaign by Hannity and the McCain campaign is going to take its toll on the independent swing voters in the crucial states and swing this election in mcCain's favour.

Unless Obama's campaign were successful in getting alot of people to the polls very early....but the time Nov 4 comes...very few people will trust obama's character...will make the economic situation secondary..and have a huge vote of no confidence leading to an electoral vote landlside against him.

*sigh*


So this whole thing is Sean Hannity and John McCain's fault?


Like I said, even when he does wrong, Obama can do no wrong, right Sly?


TFK

[slystaff]

So this whole thing is Sean Hannity and John McCain's fault?


Like I said, even when he does wrong, Obama can do no wrong, right Sly?


TFK
You don't see Hannity focussing on mcCain's associations past and present...and you don't see Obama playing that game (except for the Keating 5...which is releavant to the financial crisis)