Kelly Pavlik vs. Nigel Benn @ 160 [Archive]

Double L

03-11-2009, 12:30 PM

Xplosive

03-11-2009, 12:56 PM

Interesting fight because Pavlik's style isn't unlike McClellan's, although he's probably not as fast, but at the same time more organized and skilled with a better defense.

I pick Pavlik by early knock-out, but I also have to allow for the possibility of a Benn victory by vegetable-hood by way of a flying head-butt.

Pavlik also doesnt have nearly as good a chin as G-man.

This fight is near a pick em. Slight edge to Kelly, but I could easily see Benn stretching him.

cdogg187

03-11-2009, 01:37 PM

This is a pick-em

If Pavlik can survive the early onslaught of Benn and tag him back, I think he gets Nigel out of there by the 7th or so

but that is a BIG "if"

whiskey

03-11-2009, 02:31 PM

I'll also give the slight edge to Pavlik but i wouldn't bet a cent on either in this kind of matchup.

broadwayjoe

03-11-2009, 02:45 PM

I see a back and forth brawl for the first 5 or 6 rounds, but then Benn gasses out and Pavlik stops him the 8th roudns

whiskey

03-11-2009, 03:06 PM

If i was working either corner i would tell my guy to go out and punch the other guy in the face - Really Hard.

Secondly try not to get punched really hard in the face by the other guy.

cdogg187

03-11-2009, 03:14 PM

If i was working either corner i would tell my guy to go out and punch the other guy in the face - Really Hard.

Secondly try not to get punched really hard in the face by the other guy.

Gil Clancy, Eddie Futch and Freddie Roach have nothing on you, Whiskey

whiskey

03-11-2009, 03:15 PM

Gil Clancy, Eddie Futch and Freddie Roach have nothing on you, Whiskey

Thank you. :bears:

cdogg187

03-11-2009, 03:16 PM

Thank you. :bears:

you are very welcome

The Guru

03-11-2009, 05:24 PM

If i was working either corner i would tell my guy to go out and punch the other guy in the face - Really Hard.

Secondly try not to get punched really hard in the face by the other guy.

:bears::lol: Classic.

Remember, if your fighter is getting his ass handed to him to add the obligatory "double up on your jab!"

cdogg187

03-11-2009, 07:59 PM

:bears::lol: Classic.

Remember, if your fighter is getting his ass handed to him to add the obligatory "double up on your jab!"
:laughing:

broadwayjoe

03-11-2009, 08:51 PM

If i was working either corner i would tell my guy to go out and punch the other guy in the face - Really Hard.

Secondly try not to get punched really hard in the face by the other guy.

I'm not sure that is an option for these two.

whiskey

03-11-2009, 09:28 PM

I'm not sure that is an option for these two.

Sure it is, you just gotta double up that jab son.

cdogg187

03-11-2009, 10:27 PM

Sure it is, you just gotta double up that jab son.
:lol:

Double L

03-11-2009, 11:57 PM

Pavlik also doesnt have nearly as good a chin as G-man.

This fight is near a pick em. Slight edge to Kelly, but I could easily see Benn stretching him.

Benn's chin was horrible. You think Kelly's gonna let Benn get close?

Fitz

03-12-2009, 08:31 AM

Benn's chin was horrible. You think Kelly's gonna let Benn get close?

For a guy with a "horrible" chin, how many times did he get counted out again?

cdogg187

03-12-2009, 08:50 AM

Benn's chin was horrible. You think Kelly's gonna let Benn get close?

I would say Benn's chin was average, and that his stamina was his biggest problem... he tended to get stopped later in fights

Do you honestly believe Pavlik is skillful enough to PREVENT Benn from getting near him?

Fitz

03-12-2009, 08:55 AM

I would say Benn's chin was average, and that his stamina was his biggest problem... he tended to get stopped later in fights

Do you honestly believe Pavlik is skillful enough to PREVENT Benn from getting near him?

Bingo! Also, unlike a lot of "chinny" fighters he was very dangerous when he was hurt .

cdogg187

03-12-2009, 05:19 PM

Bingo! Also, unlike a lot of "chinny" fighters he was very dangerous when he was hurt .

very true... he was not unlike Arturo Gatti in that regard, though he was a bigger hitter than Gatti was

Xplosive

03-12-2009, 10:36 PM

Benn's chin was horrible. You think Kelly's gonna let Benn get close?

You think Kelly's not gonna hit by Benn?

I'm sorry, but Benn isnt Gary Lockett. He WOULD land on Pavlik... and if nothing else, at 160 Benn's power was quite murderous... and Benn wasnt slow either.

Theres a VERY real possibilty that Benn KO's Pavlik.

Also because of styles.... G-man would have destroyed Pavlik.

In the era of Toney, McCallum, Jones, Nunn, Eubank ect.... Pavlik would have been a nobody. I cant even see Pavlik beating Reggie Johnson.

Double L

03-13-2009, 10:58 AM

For a guy with a "horrible" chin, how many times did he get counted out again?

three times. and he should've been counted out against McClellan.

and besides losing three times by KO, he was knocked down countless times.

don't try to convince me Benn had anything but a below average chin.

Double L

03-13-2009, 11:00 AM

You think Kelly's not gonna hit by Benn?

I'm sorry, but Benn isnt Gary Lockett. He WOULD land on Pavlik... and if nothing else, at 160 Benn's power was quite murderous... and Benn wasnt slow either.

Theres a VERY real possibilty that Benn KO's Pavlik.

Also because of styles.... G-man would have destroyed Pavlik.

In the era of Toney, McCallum, Jones, Nunn, Eubank ect.... Pavlik would have been a nobody. I cant even see Pavlik beating Reggie Johnson.

that's because you're basing your entire assessment of him on his loss to an amoral, dirty fighting, rule-brealing light heavy-weight whom he fought with bronchitis and tendonitis.

cdogg187

03-13-2009, 11:21 AM

that's because you're basing your entire assessment of him on his loss to an amoral, dirty fighting, rule-brealing light heavy-weight whom he fought with bronchitis and tendonitis.
u r so gay

broadwayjoe

03-13-2009, 01:09 PM

that's because you're basing your entire assessment of him on his loss to an amoral, dirty fighting, rule-brealing light heavy-weight whom he fought with bronchitis and tendonitis.

You forgot to mention Pavlik's foot being caught in a bear trap and having to say "One mississppi...Two mississippi...Three mississipppi" prior to throwing each punch.

cdogg187

03-13-2009, 02:05 PM

You forgot to mention Pavlik's foot being caught in a bear trap and having to say "One mississppi...Two mississippi...Three mississipppi" prior to throwing each punch.
:atu:

Fitz

03-13-2009, 06:43 PM

three times. and he should've been counted out against McClellan.

and besides losing three times by KO, he was knocked down countless times.

don't try to convince me Benn had anything but a below average chin.

Thanks for showing me that you don't know what you're talking about. Elaborate on the "three times" he was counted out please.

By the way, having the ref stop a fight while you are still on your feet is not being "counted out".

And Lol at the "countless" knockdowns. Is that because you can't count?

cdogg187

03-14-2009, 12:35 AM

Thanks for showing me that you don't know what you're talking about. Elaborate on the "three times" he was counted out please.

By the way, having the ref stop a fight while you are still on your feet is not being "counted out".

And Lol at the "countless" knockdowns. Is that because you can't count?

Double L seems to think because we are saying that Nigel Benn didnt have Terry Norris's chin that we are saying he had Juan LaPorte's

Fitz

03-14-2009, 07:40 AM

Double L seems to think because we are saying that Nigel Benn didnt have Terry Norris's chin that we are saying he had Juan LaPorte's

Seems that way, doesn't it? Benn definitely didn't have a great chin, but he was never cold-cocked by anyone like Norris was and you don't go life and death with Gerald Mcclellan if you're the type of fighter who gets comatosed by a stiff breeze. He was wobbled plenty of times but seemed to rally a lot better than most.

Double L

03-14-2009, 06:12 PM

u r so gay

:atu:

you sound like my 12 year old nephew. you're a fucking childish baby. i love the fact that i can get under your skin so much that it illicits responses you'd expect from a pre-teen.

cdogg187

03-15-2009, 01:38 AM

:atu:

you sound like my 12 year old nephew. you're a fucking childish baby. i love the fact that i can get under your skin so much that it illicits responses you'd expect from a pre-teen.

LMAO at YOU getting under MY skin

the reality is the opposite. something that is apparent to all. YOu are one of the most easily rattled people on this site

cdogg187

03-15-2009, 01:39 AM

Seems that way, doesn't it? Benn definitely didn't have a great chin, but he was never cold-cocked by anyone like Norris was and you don't go life and death with Gerald Mcclellan if you're the type of fighter who gets comatosed by a stiff breeze. He was wobbled plenty of times but seemed to rally a lot better than most.

exactly!

Double L

03-15-2009, 02:48 PM

LMAO at YOU getting under MY skin

the reality is the opposite. something that is apparent to all. YOu are one of the most easily rattled people on this site

well it's definitely not me posting responses like, "u r so gay," is it? no. i think that's you.

cdogg187

03-16-2009, 08:15 AM

well it's definitely not me posting responses like, "u r so gay," is it? no. i think that's you.

well, because you are

you said of Hopkins against Pavlik: "an amoral, dirty fighting, rule-brealing light heavy-weight whom he fought with bronchitis and tendonitis"

you sound like Pavlik's mom, in other words you sound like a fag

you sound GAY

hence, "u r so gay"

read "an amoral, dirty fighting, rule-brealing light heavy-weight whom he fought with bronchitis and tendonitis" again and tell me you dont sound gay