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lb 4 lb
01-03-2010, 06:11 AM
Name some fighters who you think are overrated and why:

Floyd Mayweather - Considered either #1 or 2 P4P by most people Floyd has not proven such credentials in years. His last real test came against ODLH in a fight he fought so safely in that he barely won. Every other test is against opposition smaller than him. The excuses are over, Floyd has simply not proven that he can beat guys like Cotto, Clottey, Shane, Margarito, Pacquiao, or Paul Williams. So why do we all still think he's so good and what are we basing it on, an undefeated record? Floyd's taken the concept of prospect building to new heights.

Paul Williams - Many have considered him one of the best at welter mostly based on his physical makeup rather than his skills in the ring. Most people don't factor in that Paul usually fights an inside sluggers style giving his opponents better chances of beating him than they should have. For instance give Paul a jab and throw him in the ring with Mosley and he should win that fight with fucking ease. If the fight actually happened though Paul would likely fight on the inside and slug with a guy who loves to slug and is durable as all hell with very good power. Shane would have a good shot of actually winning that fight in reality.

Mikkel Kessler - Considered the heir apparant to the reliquished throne of Joe Calzaghe, Kessler looked great in his win over Andrade and his loss to Calzaghe. However he never really looked good since. In his win over Perdermo he looked slow and seemed to lack fluidity. He seemed to have lost something. He looked the same in his matchup with Ward which ultimately led to him losing the fight. Now the once favorite to win the SuperMiddle Weight Tournamnet looks like the only guy he can presently beat is Jermaine Taylor, the favorite to come in last place.


Shane Mosley - After getting soundly outboxed through most of the Cotto fight, he looked horrible in the Mayorga fight and appears to have lost a lot of speed. His strength and power seems better than ever, but I think the Margarito fight has severly overrated him. Margarito was one of the slowest fighters I ever saw that night and hardly laid a glove on Shane. So the fact that Shane beat the stuffing out of a lumbering human punching bag might be getting read into a bit much and the same can even be said of Shane's so called brilliant pairing with Nazim. The Berto fight should shed more light on exactly where Mosley stands but at his age I can't imagine it'll be very good.


I'll leave some for you guys.

Barristan
01-03-2010, 06:11 AM
shane mosely

lb 4 lb
01-03-2010, 06:16 AM
shane moselyI said give reasons. If you want you can say because I mentioned your hero Floyd and you're all butt hurt now. It's biased but at least it's a reason.

Tam Tam
01-03-2010, 06:59 AM
Shane Mosley
Kelly Pavlik
Ivan Calderon
Israel Vasquez

lb 4 lb
01-03-2010, 07:33 AM
Shane Mosley
Kelly Pavlik
Ivan Calderon
Israel VasquezI agree with the first 2. Haven't seen the third and the last one? I think it's kind of ridiculous to think Vasquez is overrated. What are you basing that on?

Rainmaker
01-03-2010, 08:58 AM
Chicken Boy Floyd

The same reasons as lb 4 lb. He has just ducked too many top guys to be considered p4p #1.

Caligula II
01-03-2010, 09:12 AM
Robert "Quick Hands" Hernandez

The Positives: Sure he has blazing handspeed, good stamina, and knockout power.

The Negatives: He doesn't exist. I just made him up 30 seconds ago.

KaukipRrr
01-03-2010, 09:14 AM
I guess it depends on the country,... Bernard Hopkins is the most overrated American fighter,.. David Haye is by faaar and away the most overrated british fighter, and in Australia it's probably Danny Green at the moment.

If I had to choose out of those three, I think it's Haye, ridiculous, ridiculous hype.

lb 4 lb
01-03-2010, 09:42 AM
Robert "Quick Hands" Hernandez

The Positives: Sure he has blazing handspeed, good stamina, and knockout power.

The Negatives: He doesn't exist. I just made him up 30 seconds ago.You had me going dude. Good one.


I guess it depends on the country,... Bernard Hopkins is the most overrated American fighter,.. David Haye is by faaar and away the most overrated british fighter, and in Australia it's probably Danny Green at the moment.

If I had to choose out of those three, I think it's Haye, ridiculous, ridiculous hype.You don't have to rank them by nationality or numerical order. Just list anyone you think is overrated. The why is more important than the where or the what order they fall in.

Baron
01-03-2010, 11:07 AM
Robert "Quick Hands" Hernandez

The Positives: Sure he has blazing handspeed, good stamina, and knockout power.

The Negatives: He doesn't exist. I just made him up 30 seconds ago.

Cosign.:bears:

Andrew
01-03-2010, 11:19 AM
Manny Pacquiao - At best, split 2 fights with Marquez. Recently beat some of Floyds leftovers in a severely weight drained DLH. Beat some more Floyd leftovers in Hatton. Last fight beat a shell of the fighter known as Miguel Cotto who previously struggled to a SD against Clottey.

Now don't get me wrong its a nice resume', but hes become severely overrated.

KaukipRrr
01-03-2010, 11:42 AM
You had me going dude. Good one.

You don't have to rank them by nationality or numerical order. Just list anyone you think is overrated. The why is more important than the where or the what order they fall in.

But that's important in deciding who is 'overrated',... I'm going by the press and the forums around here,.. and Hopkins wears the name "brilliant, masterful and legend" like no other,..all because he does a sexy perimetre dance and has a tight backpeddling nervous posture. All he is, is a strict counter-puncher,..I also guess the fools add his sly nut crunches and headbutts into the equation, it makes him a filthy, revolting bitch and coward in the ring in comparison to everybody else, nothing 'awesome'..

As for Haye,.. you've got posters speaking about every other heavyweight, particularly the top ones as the logical under-dogs,..Majority British forums make me sick because amongst all the dick nibbling you'll have one pseudo objective poster claim,.. "Awww, but you know,... Vitali still has a chance",... and this is based on the Valuev fight no less,..

I think those two are pretty good candidates,.. I mentioned Danny Green because,.. the whole country of Australia doesn't have much of a clue about boxing, and in sync with the rest of the world through this filthy capitalist sport, the typical misleading properghanda is evident here to patronising proportions,..and so after Green beat, "The current p4p number 1 and greatest of all time!" and defended his "World champion cruiserweight title"... the majority of the country probably think Green's the new man. Like Reed said,..and I never get tired of repeating it,.. Danny Green,...Danny Green!,...Danny Green!!!! das da one! das da one! das da one!... and it's very true.

TFK
01-03-2010, 11:49 AM
Chris Henry.


Of course, it's only one bald headed dwarf who overates him, but that's my answer.


TFK

meetthefeebles
01-03-2010, 12:35 PM
As for Haye,.. you've got posters speaking about every other heavyweight, particularly the top ones as the logical under-dogs,..Majority British forums make me sick because amongst all the dick nibbling you'll have one pseudo objective poster claim,.. "Awww, but you know,... Vitali still has a chance",... and this is based on the Valuev fight no less,..

I would be one of the first to admit that this is a pretty reasonable analysis brother Kauki...

MTF :doh:

steve_dave
01-03-2010, 12:57 PM
I agree with the first 2. Haven't seen the third and the last one? I think it's kind of ridiculous to think Vasquez is overrated. What are you basing that on?

Vazquez is VERY overrated. Many still have him ranked in the top 10 p4p.

Neil
01-03-2010, 02:08 PM
Vazquez is VERY overrated. Many still have him ranked in the top 10 p4p.

not if they saw his last fight, they dont.

bigdawg
01-03-2010, 02:53 PM
Chris Arreola. Just wait till he takes off his shirt and you will understand why! I'll Holla 5000

Irish 2002/2003
01-03-2010, 03:30 PM
Chris Arreola. Just wait till he takes off his shirt and you will understand why! I'll Holla 5000

George Foreman in 1994. Just wait till he takes off his shirt, and then takes off Moorers head, and you will understand why.

Free Ike
01-03-2010, 07:23 PM
SHANE MOSELY and not just now, ever. He really only has one victory over a very good and prime fighter. He second greatest victory was over Margarito. That's all you need to know.


Hopkins for much the same reason. Both fighters lost nearly ever big fight they had against guys their own size. Hopkinss feasted on smaller men for his entire careers.

Double L
01-03-2010, 07:31 PM
The bottom line is, fighters who regularly face the best opposition cannot by definition be over-rated.

On the other hand, it's fighters who refuse time after time to face the best opposition who wind up over-rated very often.

dymipepel
01-03-2010, 07:31 PM
The bottom line is, fighters who regularly face the best opposition cannot by definition be over-rated.

On the other hand, it's fighters who refuse time after time to face the best opposition who wind up over-rated very often.

Would you call a fighter who consistently cheats (by, say, loading his gloves) an over-rated fighter?

Neil
01-03-2010, 07:34 PM
SHANE MOSELY and not just now, ever. He really only has one victory over a very good and prime fighter. He second greatest victory was over Margarito. That's all you need to know.


Hopkins for much the same reason. Both fighters lost nearly ever big fight they had against guys their own size. Hopkinss feasted on smaller men for his entire careers.

a better question for your dumbass would be who's NOT over rated?

Free Ike
01-03-2010, 07:38 PM
a better question for your dumbass would be who's NOT over rated?

A better question would be why somEONE as dumb as you would ever call his superior a dumbass.There are many underrated fighters and overrated. It depends on your perspective. I would say Mosely and Hopkins are on the high end of the overrated spectrum. Winky Wright gets shit on, yet he stomped Tito and Mosely with ease, absolute ease.

Xplosive
01-03-2010, 07:46 PM
Pavlik & Williams

Double L
01-03-2010, 07:52 PM
Would you call a fighter who consistently cheats (by, say, loading his gloves) an over-rated fighter?

People who cheat - yeah - they tend to get over-rated since their cheating, which is unbeknownst to observers, allows them to perform above and beyond their ability.

For example, in the wake of Margarito's win over Cotto, people like you disappeared, unable to cope with the reality they had underrated Margarito.

However, in light of Margarito's having probably cheated against Cotto in order to win, people like you reappeared, under the false impression they were vindicated.

The reality is, though, that Margarito, the one with loaded gloves, is the fighter who beat Cotto. He's the fighter you said was no good. Therefore, you were WRONG in your assessment of Margarito, even in light of his cheating. So you should probably disappear once again. Since you were wrong about Margarito.

Tam Tam
01-03-2010, 07:52 PM
Manny Pacquiao - At best, split 2 fights with Marquez. Recently beat some of Floyds leftovers in a severely weight drained DLH. Beat some more Floyd leftovers in Hatton. Last fight beat a shell of the fighter known as Miguel Cotto who previously struggled to a SD against Clottey.

Now don't get me wrong its a nice resume', but hes become severely overrated.

:notallthere:

ElTerriblee
01-03-2010, 07:59 PM
With Shane it´s always a question of whether the vitamines work. Margarito good, Mayorga not so much. :boohoo:

That Vasquez/Marquez and Calderon are still rated top 10 p4p by some writers just shows what a poor bunch is working the net. Vasquez/Marquez have been ruined by their trilogy and Calderon can only protect his 0 by busting his forehead open repeatedly.

Double L
01-03-2010, 08:08 PM
Thing is, lots of fans don't hesitate to declare a fighter's career is over when he registers a loss - particularly if it's a decisive ones.

My guess is, many of these fans are the sames ones who protest when a fighter is elevated in the rankings because of a particularly impressive win.

It's not logical. Either one fight matters or it doesn't.

dymipepel
01-03-2010, 08:14 PM
For example, in the wake of Margarito's win over Cotto, people like you disappeared, unable to cope with the reality they had underrated Margarito.


How could I have disappeared in the wake of Margarito's win over Cotto if I had been banned 3 months prior to the fight and remained banned for 9 months after the fight? :dunno:
Why do you feel the need to keep lying, Double?
Is compulsion to lie so great that you can't overcome it?
There's a medical treatment for a condition known as "liarus chronicus".
Do you think you should try seeking professional help, Double?

Neil
01-03-2010, 08:18 PM
A better question would be why somEONE as dumb as you would ever call his superior a dumbass.There are many underrated fighters and overrated. It depends on your perspective. I would say Mosely and Hopkins are on the high end of the overrated spectrum. Winky Wright gets shit on, yet he stomped Tito and Mosely with ease, absolute ease.

so you've mentioned 1 guy you dont consider over rated, shit bird.

bigdawg
01-03-2010, 09:10 PM
With Shane it´s always a question of whether the vitamines work. Margarito good, Mayorga not so much. :boohoo:

That Vasquez/Marquez and Calderon are still rated top 10 p4p by some writers just shows what a poor bunch is working the net. Vasquez/Marquez have been ruined by their trilogy and Calderon can only protect his 0 by busting his forehead open repeatedly.


What do you mean Shane has never tested positive in a fight before. I'll Holla 5000

bigdawg
01-03-2010, 09:12 PM
George Foreman in 1994. Just wait till he takes off his shirt, and then takes off Moorers head, and you will understand why.

Yeah but how old was Foreman in 94? Take a look at how Foreman looked when he was Arreolas age then you can compare the 2. Arreola is a fatass that ain't gonna beat no one that's any good. I'll Holla 5000

Double L
01-03-2010, 09:20 PM
How could I have disappeared in the wake of Margarito's win over Cotto if I had been banned 3 months prior to the fight and remained banned for 9 months after the fight? :dunno:
Why do you feel the need to keep lying, Double?
Is compulsion to lie so great that you can't overcome it?
There's a medical treatment for a condition known as "liarus chronicus".
Do you think you should try seeking professional help, Double?

I was making the conjecture that that's why you disappeared. I didn't know you were banned. I don't keep up with the disciplinary actions taken against you - it's not interesting to me, although I do feel bad for you that you can't even follow the rules of a message board closely enough to not get banned.

dymipepel
01-03-2010, 09:42 PM
I was making the conjecture that that's why you disappeared.

Your conjecture was wrong. Please apologize.Thank you.

Double L
01-03-2010, 09:45 PM
Your conjecture was wrong. Please apologize.Thank you.

ok. i apologize. i thought you disappeared because Margarito, with his hand-wraps, turned out to be more formidable than you thought Margarito was, with his hand-wraps. none of us, not you, not me, could've predicted how good Margarito is without his hand-wraps.

in fact, you disappeared because you were banned. my guess is it will happen to you again soon and will be a delight.

dymipepel
01-03-2010, 09:48 PM
ok. i apologize.

Thank you.
Please not to try to lie (or, as you call it, "making a conjecture") in the future.
I hope this lesson will stick in your memory.

Double L
01-03-2010, 09:50 PM
Thank you.
Please not to try to lie (or, as you call it, "making a conjecture") in the future.
I hope this lesson will stick in your memory.

i hope so too - i'd hate to have to go through this exercise with you again.

thanks for being patient with me. i did not mean to lie. i was simply making things up to bolster my argument.

REEDsART
01-03-2010, 10:14 PM
a better question for your dumbass would be who's NOT over rated?
Haven't U Heard???...STINKY Wright & Chris TURD...


REED:mj:

REEDsART
01-03-2010, 10:15 PM
A better question would be why somEONE as dumb as you would ever call his superior a dumbass.There are many underrated fighters and overrated. It depends on your perspective. I would say Mosely and Hopkins are on the high end of the overrated spectrum. Winky Wright gets shit on, yet he stomped Tito and Mosely with ease, absolute ease.
REED KNEW U WOULD'T Let him Down!!!...



REED:bears:

Bob N Weave
01-04-2010, 12:32 AM
Haye, Froch

Ugotabe Kidding
01-04-2010, 04:29 AM
Pavlik & Williams

I think Pavlik has become underrated. Few fighters are as clearly #1 in their division as Pavlik is. Just because his two-division jump backfired doesn't make him that bad. Get the #2 of the division in Felix Sturm into ring with him and you'll see a murder

Irish 2002/2003
01-04-2010, 05:06 AM
Michael Grant.

ElTerriblee
01-04-2010, 05:56 AM
What do you mean Shane has never tested positive in a fight before. I'll Holla 5000

Of course not vitamines are not illegal.

Mr Roboto
01-04-2010, 07:16 AM
I think Pavlik has become underrated. Few fighters are as clearly #1 in their division as Pavlik is. Just because his two-division jump backfired doesn't make him that bad. Get the #2 of the division in Felix Sturm into ring with him and you'll see a murder

Yes, it is surprising (kind of) how much flack Pavlik gets when you consider his ill-advised 2 division jump.

Irish 2002/2003
01-04-2010, 08:02 AM
Yes, it is surprising (kind of) how much flack Pavlik gets when you consider his ill-advised 2 division jump.

Uh, no, that was NOT a 2 division jump.

meetthefeebles
01-04-2010, 09:34 AM
Haye, Froch

Who the hell overrates Carl Froch?

MTF :dunno:

KaukipRrr
01-04-2010, 10:41 AM
Uh, no, that was NOT a 2 division jump.

That was simply a matter of styles anyway, a slow, dumb, plodder is Hopkins ideal opponent.

Slice N Dice
01-04-2010, 12:04 PM
Who the hell overrates Carl Froch?

MTF :dunno:

Carl Froch :lol:

Ropadope
01-04-2010, 12:23 PM
i hope so too - i'd hate to have to go through this exercise with you again.

thanks for being patient with me. i did not mean to lie. i was simply making things up to bolster my argument.

:lol:

Free Ike
01-04-2010, 12:53 PM
so you've mentioned 1 guy you dont consider over rated, shit bird.

It is a silly question and an intelligent person knows that it is silly. You aren't intelligent and thus don't know that. For instance, Roy Jones was never overrated as a talent. He was clearly the most or one of the most talented fighters ever. His level of opposition wasn't great though. PBF the same thing. Calling someone overrated isn't necessarily saying they suck. PBF is a fantastic little fighter. He is boring and often fights in an illegal fashion, but he is a very, very talented. To call anyone overrated is a totally subjective call. In a sense, all fighters are overrated and no fighter is overrated. It depends on perspective. I say Mosely, Tito and Hopkins are overrated because they are considered all time greats and they ought not be. If people all said they were good fighters and not amazing legends, you wouldn't read me criticize them.