TEAM MAYWEATHER DENIES XYLOCAINE ACCUSATIONS

[lb 4 lb]

Apparently Floyd's reported use of Xylocaine is little more than a bunch of rumors from loud mouthed haters. Never mind the fact that he's never had another hand problem since. Personally I don't think it's a big deal to get hand injections. What I don't like is them feeling the need to lie about it.

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content7400.html

[Marvelous1]

Apparently Manny's reported use of PED's is little more than a bunch of rumors from loud mouthed haters. Never mind the fact that he's never tested positive. Personally I don't think it's a big deal to test negatively for PED's. What I don't like is feeling the need to lie about it.

[Neil]

who cares if he uses it. the shit is LEGAL

[lb 4 lb]

who cares if he uses it. the shit is LEGALI certainly don't. I just find it interesting that his team was so quick to deny it as if it was PED's or something.

[Andrew]

Floyd is cleaning up the sport LB, respect him and his cause.

[KaukipRrr]

Lib four Lib, a nice swing off the back foot mate, nice,..good to see an American having a go at a bit of 'cricky' ,.. a potential batsmen mate, potential, potential :crafty:

[Irish 2002/2003]

Never mind Xlylocaine, Floyd has been openly dealing in Methane, Butane, Propane and Hot Air for years.

[KaukipRrr]

Never mind Xlylocaine, Floyd has been openly dealing in Methane, Butane, Propane and Hot Air for years.

Never mind the bollocks.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Never mind the bollocks.

:partie: I AM THE ANTI-PAC! I AM A BALL-SAC! NO DOGS BODY!!!

[lb 4 lb]

Floyd is cleaning up the sport LB, respect him and his cause.Why you got to say that A? I never criticized Floyd about anything in this thread. I was merely pointing out that his team is denying he uses Xylocaine as so many on here have claimed.

As far as Floyd cleaning up the sport goes, I'll leave that one alone.

[KaukipRrr]

:partie: I AM THE ANTI-PAC! I AM A BALL-SAC! NO DOGS BODY!!!

You are an anarchist alright,.. I wish you were an anti-christ however,.. that way you'd take a closer look at Pacquiao's mammoth triceratops apperance and start believing in the dinosaurs baby!! :crafty: they'r reeeeeeeeeeeel

[KaukipRrr]

Why you got to say that A? I never criticized Floyd about anything in this thread. I was merely pointing out that his team is denying he uses Xylocaine as so many on here have claimed.

As far as Floyd cleaning up the sport goes, I'll leave that one alone.

Fraud is a piece of shit,.. and I agree him cleaning up the sport is a load of shit,.. but whenever the ethics card is drawn,..and preserved,..we'll eat our strudel Lib four Lib,..we'll eat.

[lb 4 lb]

Fraud is a piece of shit,.. and I agree him cleaning up the sport is a load of shit,.. but whenever the ethics card is drawn,..and preserved,..we'll eat our strudel Lib four Lib,..we'll eat.Fair enough. That works for me.

[Hut*Hut]

who cares if he uses it. the shit is LEGAL

AgREED.

[Double L]

Mosley should've required that he not use it. I don't see why it's legal. If the guy's hands are too brittle to fight without it, how good a fighter can he really be?

[IMDAZED]

Such nonsense. It's legal - so long as it's not used within a week of the fight. People grasping at straws to cover up the real issue. Move along.

[lb 4 lb]

Everyone keeps talking about whether it should be allowed or not. I was hoping for a discussion on the fact that his team is denying they even use it. Does anyone believe that he doesn't?

[KaukipRrr]

Everyone keeps talking about whether it should be allowed or not. I was hoping for a discussion on the fact that his team is denying they even use it. Does anyone believe that he doesn't?

:crafty: But never a thread from you asking if you believe Pacquiao is chemically sponsored with cutting edge stuff, guided by a USADA-barred conditioning coach. Quite the contrary actually, thus people may be suspicious about an ulterior motive off the back foot.

It seems well known that Fraud injects this shit into his hands,.. I'm just interested how it came to be public knowledge, where did people read it?..

[Arben]

My guess is when Floyd's unique hand treatments were on display in his 24/7 with Oscar, I believe.

I don't see how this is an issue.

[lb 4 lb]

:crafty: But never a thread from you asking if you believe Pacquiao is chemically sponsored with cutting edge stuff, guided by a USADA-barred conditioning coach. Quite the contrary actually, thus people may be suspicious about an ulterior motive off the back foot.

It seems well known that Fraud injects this shit into his hands,.. I'm just interested how it came to be public knowledge, where did people read it?..:lol: Why would I make a thread asking who thinks Manny is on PED's? That shit gets discussed in nearly every thread anyway.

[Double L]

It's an issue because pBF is a hypocrite!!!

[KaukipRrr]

:lol: Why would I make a thread asking who thinks Manny is on PED's? That shit gets discussed in nearly every thread anyway.

That is true.

But you would be well aware that the Xylocaine angle dispatched from the brigade of Pacquiao groupies, has been a popular one for months, in what they see as an effective defence to shine the spotlight back in Fraud's direction while sheltering thier god in the dark, and considering your previous posts on this matter,... :crafty: well,.. can't help but be a little suspicious when you are recycling the same tool.

If it's well documented that he uses this stuff which is apparently legal,.. the denial is rather odd, maybe they're so used to lieng they've got an instinct for it, even if there is nothing to lose by telling the truth here.

[IMDAZED]

It's an issue because pBF is a hypocrite!!!

How so?

[KaukipRrr]

How so?

I dont agree with that either Kenneth, obviously.

But Lib four Lib does pose an interesting question,.. why would they deny, taking something that is apparently legal?.. Do you by any chance know how it came to be, that the public knows he takes this Xylocaine stuff? ..and do you think this is an example of team Mayweather's 'instinctual' lieng?..

[IMDAZED]

I dont agree with that either Kenneth, obviously.

But Lib four Lib does pose an interesting question,.. why would they deny, taking something that is apparently legal?.. Do you by any chance know how it came to be, that the public knows he takes this Xylocaine stuff? ..and do you think this is an example of team Mayweather's 'instinctual' lieng?..

Floyd may have used xylocaine in the past, if I recall correctly. Specifically for one fight. But why would they deny him taking something legal? Probably because he doesn't. And because that seems to be the rebuttal for those who argue against his request for PEDs (stupid I know, but stupid is as stupid...).

I say it and say it again. You can laugh at Roger, laugh at Jr & Sr but make no mistake that Floyd has perhaps the strongest team in the sport. Ellerbe and Haymon know what they're doing. And I'm pretty sure they wanted to nip this in the bud ASAP.

[KaukipRrr]

Floyd may have used xylocaine in the past, if I recall correctly. Specifically for one fight. But why would they deny him taking something legal? Probably because he doesn't. And because that seems to be the rebuttal for those who argue against his request for PEDs (stupid I know, but stupid is as stupid...).

I say it and say it again. You can laugh at Roger, laugh at Jr & Sr but make no mistake that Floyd has perhaps the strongest team in the sport. Ellerbe and Haymon know what they're doing. And I'm pretty sure they wanted to nip this in the bud ASAP.

Yeah that's what I was thinking,..

But say if they were injecting him fight by fight,.. I'd have to wonder, if they themselves know that it is NOT actually illegal?, or, could it be an 'impulse lie' in consistancy with every other piece of shit businessman in this filthy sport.

[IMDAZED]

Yeah that's what I was thinking,..

But say if they were injecting him fight by fight,.. I'd have to wonder, if they themselves know that it is NOT actually illegal?, or, could it be an 'impulse lie' in consistancy with every other piece of shit businessman in this filthy sport.

Well they must know - since Nevada tests for it. It is legal up until the week of the fight. Then it's not allowed. Oscar De La Hoya has tested positive for it in the past.

[IMDAZED]

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/04/14/qanda-with-rafael-garcia-floyd-mayweather-jr-s-hand-wrapping-gur/

Although Mayweather had reportedly used Xylocaine in the past, he apparently has not done so for years thanks to the 81-year-old Garcia, whose list of former clients includes "The Hands Of Stone," Roberto Duran, and, otherwise, reads like a "Who's Who" of boxing's greatest fighters, pound-for-pound.

[KaukipRrr]

Well they must know - since Nevada tests for it. It is legal up until the week of the fight. Then it's not allowed. Oscar De La Hoya has tested positive for it in the past.

Elerbe seemed to panick though,.. "Nope! never!" he's been clean from day one!". Implying that he believes Xylocaine is illegal,.. Rather odd,.. they're quick to shrink into the defensive mode,..but this time,.. it was a false alarm,.. I see it as a reflection of how devious and corrupt they are, in sync with everybody else in this business. Regardless of who they are and how they are,.. the drug testing clause is an excellent precedent to set, and maintain for boxing, it's put a ripple through the 'underworld' ,.. and it's why I need him to beat Mosely in order for this clause to continue to flush out the rats.

[IMDAZED]

Elerbe seemed to panick though,.. "Nope! never!" he's been clean from day one!". Implying that he believes Xylocaine is illegal,.. Rather odd,.. they're quick to shrink into the defensive mode,..but this time,.. it was a false alarm,.. I see it as a reflection of how devious and corrupt they are, in sync with everybody else in this business. Regardless of who they are and how they are,.. the drug testing clause is an excellent precedent to set, and maintain for boxing, it's put a ripple through the 'underworld' ,.. and it's why I need him to beat Mosely in order for this clause to continue to flush out the rats.

Amen to that.

[Neil]

It's an issue because pBF is a hypocrite!!!

a hypocrite would be some cock sucker complaining about an athlete using a legal medication to numb his hands, when he himself uses illegal drugs to numb his whole body.

[slystaff]

Maybe it's just me...but I see nothing wrong in numbing the hands.

[KaukipRrr]

Amen to that.

Thanks for the info Kenneth regarding the reports of Fraud's Xylocaine use,.. it makes me *EDIT* happy.

[steve_dave]

I certainly don't. I just find it interesting that his team was so quick to deny it as if it was PED's or something.

:lol: Ok.

[Double L]

Maybe it's just me...but I see nothing wrong in numbing the hands.

it's just you...

[Double L]

a hypocrite would be some cock sucker complaining about an athlete using a legal medication to numb his hands, when he himself uses illegal drugs to numb his whole body.

whoa. whoa. whoa. back off man! apples and oranges man. apples and oranges.

[lb 4 lb]

:lol: Ok.What's your problem with me lately S_D?

[Fighter]

Legal in ONE state.

[IMDAZED]

Legal in ONE state.

Not good to post lies on a public forum.

[KaukipRrr]

Not good to post lies on a public forum.

Kenneth, is it true that, the USADA doesn't classify Xylocaine as an illegal substance?..

[IMDAZED]

Kenneth, is it true that, the USADA doesn't classify Xylocaine as an illegal substance?..

You're right, K - they don't.

[Erratic]

Elerbe seemed to panick though,.. "Nope! never!" he's been clean from day one!". Implying that he believes Xylocaine is illegal,.. Rather odd,.. they're quick to shrink into the defensive mode,..but this time,.. it was a false alarm,.. I see it as a reflection of how devious and corrupt they are, in sync with everybody else in this business. Regardless of who they are and how they are,.. the drug testing clause is an excellent precedent to set, and maintain for boxing, it's put a ripple through the 'underworld' ,.. and it's why I need him to beat Mosely in order for this clause to continue to flush out the rats.

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/7JMIB7g1mq0&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7JMIB7g1mq0&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

[Irish 2002/2003]

Floyd has been using Rohypnol for years.

[Barristan]

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/7JMIB7g1mq0&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7JMIB7g1mq0&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

:atu: Pacquaio should be next!

[KaukipRrr]

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/7JMIB7g1mq0&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7JMIB7g1mq0&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>


You don't get more OWNED than that Erratic, you don't get more OWNED than that,.. to your credit in particular, you kept an eye on things, and it registered with you, while most were apathetic and oblivious to it, as I said, I didn't hear much of any hoopla about Mosely and performance enhancers at the time of the Balco bust, but it must have seared against your principles and you've had a quiet seethe ever since,..:bears: good work, ......now it's Pacquiao's turn.

[TKO]

That aint Shane Mosley..

[KaukipRrr]

That aint Shane Mosley..

:lol::lol::crafty: , some would probably try that.

[lb 4 lb]

<object height="385" width="480">


<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7JMIB7g1mq0&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="385" width="480"></object>Gotta admit, the timing of leaking this video was perfect. The perfect distraction for Mosley to have during his training camp.

By the way I never liked the way Shane handled this. He was already busted, the best thing to do was to admit it, apologize, and move on. Lying about a lack of knowledge was never a good way to go.

[KaukipRrr]

Gotta admit, the timing of leaking this video was perfect. The perfect distraction for Mosley to have during his training camp.

By the way I never liked the way Shane handled this. He was already busted, the best thing to do was to admit it, apologize, and move on. Lying about a lack of knowledge was never a good way to go.

Well, he's done the right thing now, atleast temporarily,.. by accepting and further advocating better drug testing,.. but he's made it clear if it comes to fighting Pacquiao then he'll abandon principle immediately for the pay-packet, thus, despite Fraud being a spatially worse person, it would be fundamentally better for boxing if the clause would be retained, and so I need Mosely to lose. http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif

[IMDAZED]

Gotta admit, the timing of leaking this video was perfect. The perfect distraction for Mosley to have during his training camp.

By the way I never liked the way Shane handled this. He was already busted, the best thing to do was to admit it, apologize, and move on. Lying about a lack of knowledge was never a good way to go.

I don't think it'll hurt Mosley. In fact, I think quite the opposite. Just further fuel for him to redeem himself. And a great opportunity to do it...the perfect opportunity actually: Olympic-Styled Drug Testing in a major fight against perhaps the best fighter in the world. I'm pretty sure Shane is chomping at the bit to silence this talk once and for all.

[KaukipRrr]

I don't think it'll hurt Mosley. In fact, I think quite the opposite. Just further fuel for him to redeem himself. And a great opportunity to do it...the perfect opportunity actually: Olympic-Styled Drug Testing in a major fight against perhaps the best fighter in the world. I'm pretty sure Shane is chomping at the bit to silence this talk once and for all.

Pity if he wins he won't retain the clause Kenneth,.. it's just 'temporary' for him.

[IMDAZED]

Pity if he wins he won't retain the clause Kenneth,.. it's just 'temporary' for him.

It's the only reason why I'm rooting for Floyd. That, and the more pathetic excuses I heard from the "Blinded by Pacman" crowd, the more I began to warm up to Floyd again.

[mexican wedding shirt]

It's the only reason why I'm rooting for Floyd. That, and the more pathetic excuses I heard from the "Blinded by Pacman" crowd, the more I began to warm up to Floyd again.

Who are you trying to kid?

You're the biggest Floyd apologist on this site not named Stafford. You fight his corner at every opportunity. You pretending to not be a Floyd fan is like Slystaff pretending to be a Mosley fan.

[mexican wedding shirt]

By the way that video was fucking hilarious. Mosley's strange facial expressions, then just sort of shrugging his shoulders and saying "yeah, I guess" :lol: :lol:

Being that he knew this video existed, why even bother pretending he didn't know what he was taking etc?

The irony about that whole Shane PED issue is I thought he looked stiff and crap that night, a far cry from the Mosley that beat Oscar 9-3 in the first fight.

[IMDAZED]

Who are you trying to kid?

You're the biggest Floyd apologist on this site not named Stafford. You fight his corner at every opportunity. You pretending to not be a Floyd fan is like Slystaff pretending to be a Mosley fan.

Your proof being where, Hoe?

[KaukipRrr]

It's the only reason why I'm rooting for Floyd. That, and the more pathetic excuses I heard from the "Blinded by Pacman" crowd, the more I began to warm up to Floyd again.

That's true Kenneth,.. for me,.. I no longer look at Fraud and feel infuriated,.. but rather his human form morphs into a paper scroll with an ink blot of an advanced testing clause written on it,.. so while I'm watching a video of him spouting shit and fanning himself with a poker hand of cash,.. I just see this rolled up paper pipe wiggling around,.. the clause,..hail the clause.

[IMDAZED]

That's true Kenneth,.. for me,.. I no longer look at Fraud and feel infuriated,.. but rather his human form morphs into a paper scroll with an ink blot of an advanced testing clause written on it,.. so while I'm watching a video of him spouting shit and fanning himself with a poker hand of cash,.. I just see this rolled up paper pipe wiggling around,.. the clause,..hail the clause.

Seriously. The funny thing is...when he first said he wouldn't fight Shane because he had "five losses" and was a "steroid abuser" I thought he was a POS. But sometimes reality bites and you start to realize that everyone's a human. And I wouldn't want to go in the ring with someone who has an unfair advantage either. I hope he keeps it up. Incidentally, the OST wasn't his idea it was his adviser's.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Your proof being where, Hoe?

In every post you write, my feeble friend, that is in any way related to Floyd.

Even defending his "avoidance" of Plasterito, talking about how hard he punches, marvelling at what a clever fighter he is for covering up being mildly buzzed by Oscar in the 10th or 11th round, justifying his pathetic performance over Oscar, his reluctance to fight Pacman, to name but a few.

I think it's time you came to terms with yourself Kenny - you're a pure, unadulterated Floyd fan. I think you're already coming to terms with it a bit. "Hmm, gee guys, I'm actually finding myself rooting for Floyd in this fight, I'm sort of warming to him a bit". I never would have guessed :lol:

[IMDAZED]

In every post you write, my feeble friend, that is in any way related to Floyd.


Cute.


Even defending his "avoidance" of Plasterito, talking about how hard he punches, marvelling at what a clever fighter he is for covering up being mildly buzzed by Oscar in the 10th or 11th round, justifying his pathetic performance over Oscar, his reluctance to fight Pacman, to name but a few.
Yes, my writing an article claiming he was avoiding Margarito is sure-fire proof. And claiming he was buzzed by an Oscar shot in round 11 was proof too. Hahahahaha!


I think it's time you came to terms with yourself Kenny - you're a pure, unadulterated Floyd fan. I think you're already coming to terms with it a bit. "Hmm, gee guys, I'm actually finding myself rooting for Floyd in this fight, I'm sort of warming to him a bit". I never would have guessed :lol:
In your black and white world, I guess this is how things appear to you. Got it. Go on, Hoe.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Just admit it bitch, it's nothing to be ashamed of. You're a Floyd fan, big deal. Lots of other people are too, judging from his drawing power. Lots of other people are homosexual too, now would be a good time to come to terms with yourself in more ways than one Kenny. Let it all out Kenny old boy.

[IMDAZED]

Just admit it bitch, it's nothing to be ashamed of. You're a Floyd fan, big deal. Lots of other people are too, judging from his drawing power. Lots of other people are homosexual too, now would be a good time to come to terms with yourself in more ways than one Kenny. Let it all out Kenny old boy.

Oh I think you're doing a better job than I ever could.

[mexican wedding shirt]

So you're still denying that you're a Floyd fan and a homosexual?

Well, what can you do? I'm just trying to help you Kenneth. I sense a lot of pent up frustration in you (for several reasons obviously). I'm trying to help you free yourself, and come to terms with who you really are.

[IMDAZED]

So you're still denying that you're a Floyd fan and a homosexual?

Well, what can you do? I'm just trying to help you Kenneth. I sense a lot of pent up frustration in you (for several reasons obviously). I'm trying to help you free yourself, and come to terms with who you really are.

I'd laugh at you if this post wasn't so embarrassing.

[mexican wedding shirt]

You feel embarrassed? Because I outed you?

I wouldn't worry about it, I think most people already thought you were a Floyd fan and a homosexual. Relax Ken, no need to feel embarrassed.

One piece of advice though Kenny. You need to put some serious work into your reading comprehension. As a writer, I'm disappointed in you.

[KaukipRrr]

:bears: Kenneth and Mex debates are a Fightbeat staple.

[IMDAZED]

You feel embarrassed? Because I outed you?

I wouldn't worry about it, I think most people already thought you were a Floyd fan and a homosexual. Relax Ken, no need to feel embarrassed.

One piece of advice though Kenny. You need to put some serious work into your reading comprehension. As a writer, I'm disappointed in you.

Geez, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.

**yawn**

[IMDAZED]

:bears: Kenneth and Mex debates are a Fightbeat staple.

This one is tame. I'm almost disappointed in Mex. Homosexual? Feel like I've been transported to sixth grade.

[mexican wedding shirt]

:bears: Kenneth and Mex debates are a Fightbeat staple.

You love it Kauki.

[KaukipRrr]

This one is tame. I'm almost disappointed in Mex. Homosexual? Feel like I've been transported to sixth grade.

:lol: Not every episode can be perfect, but they have thier moments.

[mexican wedding shirt]

This one is tame. I'm almost disappointed in Mex. Homosexual? Feel like I've been transported to sixth grade.

:lol:

You're not even as bright as I thought (which isn't very bright at all).

So as not to tax your puny little brain more than necessary, and risk you having a stroke - I'll give you a clue as to why the homosexual angle reared it's juvenile head - it's in response to something other than you looking like a flamer.

[IMDAZED]

:lol:

You're not even as bright as I thought (which isn't very bright at all).

Damn this is the best you got?

Weak sauce.

[KaukipRrr]

You love it Kauki.

Defintely a mandatory read for me, always a quality battle/debate , and sometimes it features some interesting tangental twists,.. :bears:

[mexican wedding shirt]

I thought you'd be confused Kenneth, so I went back and edited my post. Remember to say thanks, like a good boy.

[IMDAZED]

I thought you'd be confused Kenneth, so I went back and edited my post. Remember to say thanks, like a good boy.

Right. Ok.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Defintely a mandatory read for me, always a quality battle/debate , and sometimes it features some interesting tangental twists,.. :bears:

I'm a bit disappointed in Kenny this time too to be honest. He seems a bit all over the place, I usually have to think about what I'm doing more. Now I can work on some car physics simultaneously and just type n'importe quoi, half arsed and all, and it suffices.

By the way Kauki - how do you know what a Vertex is?

[KaukipRrr]

I'm a bit disappointed in Kenny this time too to be honest. He seems a bit all over the place, I usually have to think about what I'm doing more. Now I can work on some car physics simultaneously and just type n'importe quoi, half arsed and all, and it suffices.

By the way Kauki - how do you know what a Vertex is?

Well sometimes,.. the 'line' teters and wavers softly in the middle,.. you and Kenneth control the line, with intelligent charges, counter pot shots,.. then you have an incision of a tangental twist, and vary the course of the debate, then you may hybridize the debate into a rich battle mode, either in the pocket or out of the pocket,... this debate seems to be coming to a retirement for today, with the charcoal gently crackling. The 'line' I speak of is like a conducters stick infront of an orchestra,.. it makes for some good compositions, it's not about a winner or a loser, it's about team work,.. and a Mex and Kenneth composition is always a great harmony in my opinion.

[Fighter]

Not good to post lies on a public forum.

The last I checked the substance is ILLEGAL in 49 state COMMISSIONS. The governing body of boxing in those individual states.

[IMDAZED]

The last I checked the substance is ILLEGAL in 49 state COMMISSIONS. The governing body of boxing in those individual states.

Where did you check?

[Fighter]

Where did you check?

Do your OWN groundwork dog before you accuse anybody of lying. I stated a FACT, it's up to you to DISPROVE what I said.

[IMDAZED]

Do your OWN groundwork dog before you accuse anybody of lying. I stated a FACT, it's up to you to DISPROVE what I said.

You stating it doesn't mean it's fact. Just like I stated it's false. How is it illegal in uhh...Texas, for instance, when they don't even test for it?

[slystaff]

Who are you trying to kid?

You're the biggest Floyd apologist on this site not named Stafford. You fight his corner at every opportunity. You pretending to not be a Floyd fan is like Slystaff pretending to be a Mosley fan.
As IMDAZED would say: "You use my first name as if you know me"

If slystaff wouldn't suffice then "Mr Attzs" to you. :kick:

Anyway...don't get it twisted, Slystaff IS a Mosley fan, and always has been. Saying that he's a speedy slick slugger and not a master boxer..isn't "hating him" as some would say...it's simply observing his limitations as a fighter and keeping the Shane fanatics in check.

[Muzse]

As IMDAZED would say: "You use my first name as if you know me"

If slystaff wouldn't suffice then "Mr Attzs" to you. :kick:

Anyway...don't get it twisted, Slystaff IS a Mosley fan, and always has been. Saying that he's a speedy slick slugger and not a master boxer..isn't "hating him" as some would say...it's simply observing his limitations as a fighter and keeping the Shane fanatics in check.

No one believes this. Perhaps if it's repeated enough you'll convince yourself and others who haven't read your posts about the guy for the past eight or nine years.

[mexican wedding shirt]

As IMDAZED would say: "You use my first name as if you know me"

If slystaff wouldn't suffice then "Mr Attzs" to you. :kick:

Anyway...don't get it twisted, Slystaff IS a Mosley fan, and always has been. Saying that he's a speedy slick slugger and not a master boxer..isn't "hating him" as some would say...it's simply observing his limitations as a fighter and keeping the Shane fanatics in check.

Mr Cheap Suit Wearing Telesales Operator Attzs,

I don't know how much you HATE Mosley, if at all, but like Musze said - you aint kidding anyone with this Mosley fan charade.

You're NOT a Mosley fan. For the purposes of rendering Floyd's potential win in a better light, you're less disparaging than usual. Usually you take every opportunity to say Mosley is overrated, a speedy slugger, and would lose to this fighter, that fighter etc etc.

I do agree that Shane isn't a master boxer, he's not the greatest thinker in the ring, his defense isn't great - but he's not a slugger. He does have some offensive skill, and the prime Mosley had a nice, varied offense and good movement. Just watch the first Oscar fight.

Berto is more of a speedy slugger. A basic fighter with fast hands.

You consistently criticise Mosley, pick against Mosley, and seem to root against Mosley too. Essentially you bear no semblance of a fan, Attzs.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Well sometimes,.. the 'line' teters and wavers softly in the middle,.. you and Kenneth control the line, with intelligent charges, counter pot shots,.. then you have an incision of a tangental twist, and vary the course of the debate, then you may hybridize the debate into a rich battle mode, either in the pocket or out of the pocket,... this debate seems to be coming to a retirement for today, with the charcoal gently crackling. The 'line' I speak of is like a conducters stick infront of an orchestra,.. it makes for some good compositions, it's not about a winner or a loser, it's about team work,.. and a Mex and Kenneth composition is always a great harmony in my opinion.

Kauki old boy, you do have a delectable way with words, above all for someone who claims little knowledge of the English language. A strangely and refreshingly uplifting take on something that could be perceived as negative too. What an odd little creature you are Kauki.

PS - If you like predators, a snakehead makes a pretty unbeatable pet (particularly channa micropeltes or channa striata).

[slystaff]

Mr Cheap Suit Wearing Telesales Operator Attzs,

I don't know how much you HATE Mosley, if at all, but like Musze said - you aint kidding anyone with this Mosley fan charade.

You're NOT a Mosley fan. For the purposes of rendering Floyd's potential win in a better light, you're less disparaging than usual. Usually you take every opportunity to say Mosley is overrated, a speedy slugger, and would lose to this fighter, that fighter etc etc.

I do agree that Shane isn't a master boxer, he's not the greatest thinker in the ring, his defense isn't great - but he's not a slugger. He does have some offensive skill, and the prime Mosley had a nice, varied offense and good movement. Just watch the first Oscar fight.

Berto is more of a speedy slugger. A basic fighter with fast hands.

You consistently criticise Mosley, pick against Mosley, and seem to root against Mosley too. Essentially you bear no semblance of a fan, Attzs.:lol: you must have me confused with your father...

[phonetap]

slystaff has spent so much time and energy attacking mosley over the years phonetap came to the conclusion that sly must be physically attracted to the man...or else why is another man on his mind so much.

[slystaff]

slystaff has spent so much time and energy attacking mosley over the years phonetap came to the conclusion that sly must be physically attracted to the man...or else why is another man on his mind so much.
fuck off

[KaukipRrr]

Kauki old boy, you do have a delectable way with words, above all for someone who claims little knowledge of the English language. A strangely and refreshingly uplifting take on something that could be perceived as negative too. What an odd little creature you are Kauki.

PS - If you like predators, a snakehead makes a pretty unbeatable pet (particularly channa micropeltes or channa striata).

I am fairly well versed on freshwater fish, though I gave the hobby away some years ago, and I do know of the notorious snakehead,.. it is apparently the most vicious fish available to the tropical aquarium, a killing machine. Unfortunately predatory fish have put a scarr on my heart,.. although I never kept a snakehead, I purchased a strikingly pretty little fish from a store once, the owner didn't know what it was, it was one of those stray mix ups that are sent by accident with a stock of Saratogas (Australian arrowana), I figured it to be some harmless little african cichlid, and brought it,..... eventually it consumed and murdered the community tank, couldn't swallow the pleco's so it butchered them with it's jaws, and annihilated the aquatic plants like a lawn mower,.... turns out it was a fucking 'Mangrove Jack' a fresh-water snapper,... it died not long after it pulled the last bannana lilly out of the gravel.

Never again.... never ever again.

[mexican wedding shirt]

I'm very well versed on freshwater fish (no marine fish though). I started with a tank of piranhas when I was about 5, and have had many fish since then. I no longer keep fish though after a horrendous experience when I moved to Spain.

I took my fish and a massive tank with me, and despite top notch filtration, the filthy 3rd world Spanish water killed all my fish, apart one ridiculously tough albino Snakehead, that I sold to a guy in Portugal.

It was really gay, even lost a rare Cuban gar, the only one imported into Europe at the time.

The whole experience scarred me, plus I'm so busy these days in England, that's why I don't keep any fish now.

By the way, I had no idea Mangrove Jacks were that aggressive. I don't know much about Aussie fish, but I did have a Jardini, beautiful fish, and FUCKING aggressive too when they hit about 9 or 10 inches, they'll wipe out the average tank no problem.

I love predatory communities, but you have to be very, very careful with what fish you put together, and make sure you have a spare tank too.

Check this out Kauki - see the true might of the snakehead - a juvenile snakehead about 10 or 11 inches, vs a slightly smaller clarias catfish - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziz-yrHidc4

[Barristan]

The whole experience scarred me, plus I'm so busy these days in England, that's why I don't keep any fish now.

says the guy with 10,000 posts

[KaukipRrr]

I'm very well versed on freshwater fish (no marine fish though). I started with a tank of piranhas when I was about 5, and have had many fish since then. I no longer keep fish though after a horrendous experience when I moved to Spain.

I took my fish and a massive tank with me, and despite top notch filtration, the filthy 3rd world Spanish water killed all my fish, apart one ridiculously tough albino Snakehead, that I sold to a guy in Portugal.

It was really gay, even lost a rare Cuban gar, the only one imported into Europe at the time.

The whole experience scarred me, plus I'm so busy these days in England, that's why I don't keep any fish now.

By the way, I had no idea Mangrove Jacks were that aggressive. I don't know much about Aussie fish, but I did have a Jardini, beautiful fish, and FUCKING aggressive too when they hit about 9 or 10 inches, they'll wipe out the average tank no problem.

I love predatory communities, but you have to be very, very careful with what fish you put together, and make sure you have a spare tank too.

Check this out Kauki - see the true might of the snakehead - a juvenile snakehead about 10 or 11 inches, vs a slightly smaller clarias catfish - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziz-yrHidc4

Yeah, I brought it when it looked like this,...

http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/images/Fisheries_SpeciesIdentification/Seaperch-Mangrove-jack-juvenile-250.jpg

you know, amazing, beautiful colours for a freshwater / brackish fish,.. had to buy it, had to take the risk that it wouldn't be aggressive,..

then later, after thousands of dollars worth of exotic tropical fish slid down it's gullet, it ended up looking like this,..

http://www.surfit.com/surfit/articles/gallery/mattsharp/images/cainteeth.jpg

"Oh fuck,... what have I done".

I viewed the video, and I see they're lightning fast,.. :lol: pretty sick to see one snakehead doing a death-roll on that hapless cat, while the other snakehead follows it around, gobbling up the splinters of flesh and bone,.. :lol:
Could only imagine what a full grown one could do?,.. I wouldn't want to wash me dick in the same river.

[mexican wedding shirt]

says the guy with 10,000 posts

In 7 years you fucking bellend.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Yeah, I brought it when it looked like this,...

http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/images/Fisheries_SpeciesIdentification/Seaperch-Mangrove-jack-juvenile-250.jpg

you know, amazing, beautiful colours for a freshwater / brackish fish,.. had to buy it, had to take the risk that it wouldn't be aggressive,..

then later, after thousands of dollars worth of exotic tropical fish slid down it's gullet, it ended up looking like this,..

http://www.surfit.com/surfit/articles/gallery/mattsharp/images/cainteeth.jpg

"Oh fuck,... what have I done".

I viewed the video, and I see they're lightning fast,.. :lol: pretty sick to see one snakehead doing a death-roll on that hapless cat, while the other snakehead follows it around, gobbling up the splinters of flesh and bone,.. :lol:
Could only imagine what a full grown one could do?,.. I wouldn't want to wash me dick in the same river.

Fuck me, you're right, that really does look like a little African cichlid when young. Or like a cross between an African Cichlid and a young Green Terror.

Damn right they are fast. I had a psychopathic Albino Snakehead that would just destroy anything you put in the tank with it, it had to be kept alone. It would also try and attack you through the glass, and attack much bigger fish.

You have to admit, the alligator roll is fucking ace.

If you wanted to try fish again - a very interesting and VERY fast pred that shoals, and doesn't kill everything, I would recommend a freshwater Barracuda (Acestrorhynchus Falcatus). Stick a bunch of them in a decent sized planted tank, plus a shit load of feeder platys = fun.

They are very, very fast, as fast as a snakehead, the difference is they are not aggressive with other fish and they only grow to about 10 inches. The catch is they generally only eat live food, fish or river shrimp.

[KaukipRrr]

Fuck me, you're right, that really does look like a little African cichlid when young. Or like a cross between an African Cichlid and a young Green Terror.

Damn right they are fast. I had a psychopathic Albino Snakehead that would just destroy anything you put in the tank with it, it had to be kept alone. It would also try and attack you through the glass, and attack much bigger fish.

You have to admit, the alligator roll is fucking ace.

If you wanted to try fish again - a very interesting and VERY fast pred that shoals, and doesn't kill everything, I would recommend a freshwater Barracuda (Acestrorhynchus Falcatus). Stick a bunch of them in a decent sized planted tank, plus a shit load of feeder platys = fun.

They are very, very fast, as fast as a snakehead, the difference is they are not aggressive with other fish and they only grow to about 10 inches. The catch is they generally only eat live food, fish or river shrimp.

Never again Mex, never ever again. My messageboard philosophy may be 'no softies allowed' but when it comes to the confines of an aquarium, I feel the opposite,.. if I were to return to keeping fish,.. (which is unlikely considering I'm using the old tank as a lizard pitt),.. I would keep some varieties of discus, with a school of silver angelfish, that'd be a soft enough comeback to keep the pulse down.

[Double L]

Alligators are nice pets. Caimans, not so much - unless you like watching rats get murdered because they can't escape the aquarium's glass.

Alligators, of course, like to eat too. It's just, they're a little more sane. You can hold alligators and walk them. Caimans just want to kill you. The only reason caimans made their way into the pet trade is that once upon a time gators were endangered.

My advice is that neither is an appropriate pet, but if you have to have a crocidilianm, get an American Alligator (make sure he's American). Fuck caimans - they literally bite the hand that feeds them.

Or, just try a Basset Hound.

[KaukipRrr]

Alligators are nice pets. Caimans, not so much - unless you like watching rats get murdered because they can't escape the aquarium's glass.

Alligators, of course, like to eat too. It's just, they're a little more sane. You can hold alligators and walk them. Caimans just want to kill you. The only reason caimans made their way into the pet trade is that once upon a time gators were endangered.

My advice is that neither is an appropriate pet, but if you have to have a crocidilianm, get an American Alligator (make sure he's American). Fuck caimans - they literally bite the hand that feeds them.

Or, just try a Basset Hound.

:lol::crafty: , Lib four Lib does happen to run a good petshop it seems everytime he's made a thread lately.

[Erratic]

You don't get more OWNED than that Erratic, you don't get more OWNED than that,.. to your credit in particular, you kept an eye on things, and it registered with you, while most were apathetic and oblivious to it, as I said, I didn't hear much of any hoopla about Mosely and performance enhancers at the time of the Balco bust, but it must have seared against your principles and you've had a quiet seethe ever since,..:bears: good work, ......now it's Pacquiao's turn.

I'm actually not really sure exactly how I feel about PED use in boxing. While I don't like it, I feel that most athletes would take stuff to get them an edge if they were confident they'd get away with it, and in boxing, as Flip Homansky said, you won't get caught if you know what you're doing.

Yeah I know it seems hypocritical, I'm iffy iffy about how I feel about drug cheats in a sport like boxing (where ENHANCED PERFORMANCE usually means more damage to your opponent), I don't hate Mosley, Toney, Botha, etc... yet I know I despise Margarito for loading (or attempting to load) his gloves.

I guess I'm a hypocrite. :dunno:

[Erratic]

That was the edited version. Here's the longer version.

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/dyiusSlHDuY&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/dyiusSlHDuY&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/siTOPlalf0o&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/siTOPlalf0o&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

[KaukipRrr]

I'm actually not really sure exactly how I feel about PED use in boxing. While I don't like it, I feel that most athletes would take stuff to get them an edge if they were confident they'd get away with it, and in boxing, as Flip Homansky said, you won't get caught if you know what you're doing.

Yeah I know it seems hypocritical, I'm iffy iffy about how I feel about drug cheats in a sport like boxing (where ENHANCED PERFORMANCE usually means more damage to your opponent), I don't hate Mosley, Toney, Botha, etc... yet I know I despise Margarito for loading (or attempting to load) his gloves.

I guess I'm a hypocrite. :dunno:

:crafty: Well.......... I think, I remember,.... upon my post where I said, "Mosely conducts himself honourably" some time ago, not factoring in his PED use at that time, you responded,.. that you "Dislike Mosely due to his dishonourable conduct" , and you were right, you obviously had his PED scandal firmly in mind,.. Now if such a rightfully disgraceful act on his part, can soley cause you to dislike him,.. wouldn't you say that discovering a fighter who uses PEDS, has negative effects on you?

[Erratic]

:crafty: Well.......... I think, I remember,.... upon my post where I said, "Mosely conducts himself honourably" some time ago, not factoring in his PED use at that time, you responded,.. that you "Dislike Mosely due to his dishonourable conduct" , and you were right, you obviously had his PED scandal firmly in mind,.. Now if such a rightfully disgraceful act on his part, can soley cause you to dislike him,.. wouldn't you say that discovering a fighter who uses PEDS, has negative effects on you?

It does, but my opinion has sort of shifted to the "a ton of guys use some sort of PEDs", which is why I'm not quite sure what to make of it. Is the sport simply largely filled with users against other users, all trying to gain some sort of edge?

However it is still simply speculation to think that such a high percentage of them use PEDs, so as it is, it's fair to criticize the Toneys, Mosleys, Bothas, of boxing than to say "well the other guys they beat were using too".

I remember Doug Fischer writing on The Ring's website holding Mosley up as a model of whom fans should like, not Mayweather. I was thinking, a lot of Mayweather criticism is fair, but couldn't you bring up a different example than a guy who used the Cream, the Clear, and EPO?