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ILLUMINATI
09-24-2010, 01:55 AM
Fighting on the undercard of Pac vs. Margarito...so hopefully he will fight a top 10 at whichever weight he decides he want to fight in..


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Below is the current working bout sheet for Top Rank’s November 13 Pacquiao-Margarito mega-show at Cowboys Stadium in Dallas, Texas:
Manny Pacquiao vs Antonio Margarito
Kelly Pavlik vs TBA
Guillermo Rigondeaux vs Ricardo Cordoba
Mike Jones vs Jesus Soto Karass
Robert Marroquin vs TBA
Richie Mepranum vs TBA
Jose Benavidez vs Winston Mathis
Joe Hanks vs TBA
Mike Lee vs Keith DeBow
September 22nd, 2010

salaco
09-24-2010, 03:16 AM
They're mentioning Brian Vera :shit:

Dog Jones
09-24-2010, 03:44 AM
Tavar or Fres Quozendo

Explosivo
09-24-2010, 03:56 AM
Pavlik sux.

Neil
09-24-2010, 04:02 AM
not lorenzo

Double L
09-24-2010, 08:52 AM
Sturm

Xplosive
09-24-2010, 10:32 AM
Apparently its gonna be Vera.

Mitchell Kane
09-24-2010, 10:53 AM
Don't think you can expect them to give him much of an opponent on an undercard.

Vera's a knockoutable Texan...would seem to make sense.

panchyprsss
09-24-2010, 11:03 AM
Maybe Cotto since Julio Cesar Chavez Jr has run for the hills and will be facing fellow mexican boxer, former Cotto victim AND safe-opponent Alfonzo Gomez for the WBC Silver middleweight belt on December 11. Maybe Cotto can face Pavlik. It will be a mismatch, but at least Cotto has enough cojones to fight anyone.

puerto rock
09-24-2010, 11:09 AM
Someone who has no lateral movement or hand speed.

panchyprsss
09-24-2010, 11:13 AM
Someone who has no lateral movement or hand speed.
Margarito is already scheduled to fight Pacquiao!:nono:

Double L
09-24-2010, 11:42 AM
Someone who has no lateral movement or hand speed.

wait. what's the evidence that he can't handle lateral movement or hand-speed? is it because he lost two fights, one of which was very close, the other one taking place at 175 where he'd never fought before?

Jake
09-24-2010, 12:08 PM
Whether he can or can't isn't necessarily the deciding factor in matching him up with someone made-to-order for November 13.

But that said... when HAS he proven that he can deal with either attribute?

Double L
09-24-2010, 12:27 PM
Whether he can or can't isn't necessarily the deciding factor in matching him up with someone made-to-order for November 13.

But that said... when HAS he proven that he can deal with either attribute?

Taylor has hand-speed. He beat him twice. And while Taylor isn't known for his movement, he did attempt to box Pavlik unsuccessfully in both fights.

Also, although he lost to Martinez, he was very much in the fight. Despite Martinez's hand-speed and movement.

I think the question you're really asking is, when has Pavlik proven he can beat Martinez and Hopkins. And the answer is, he hasn't.

royyjonesjrp4pno1
09-24-2010, 12:29 PM
Apparently its gonna be Vera.
I thought it was Daniel Eduard that guy Taylor Ko'd back in 2001.

Xplosive
09-24-2010, 01:58 PM
I thought it was Daniel Eduard that guy Taylor Ko'd back in 2001.

Nah Eduard is out. Now Vera is the front runner. Thats a better matchup anyway. Even though Vera has no chance, he'll at least last more rounds then Edouard.

royyjonesjrp4pno1
09-24-2010, 07:40 PM
Pavlik sux.
Based upon a couple of loses?

Explosivo
09-25-2010, 01:59 AM
Based upon a couple of loses?
No....based on how noncompetitive he was in those 2 losses. Hell ....Kelly's biggest wins of his career are his wins over Taylor. Taylor has wins over much better competition than Pavlik.....and Taylor sux too.

Neil
09-25-2010, 04:56 AM
pavlik martinez wasnt competitive? :lol:

Xplosive
09-25-2010, 06:33 AM
Pavlik doesnt "suck", but his problem is of course he's one dimensional as hell, and his confidence has never recovered from the Hopkins fight. It doesnt help his cause that 3 best guys at 168 are Bute, Ward, and Dirrell, all 3 whom have the style to beat Kelly's ass 6 ways from Sunday.

After he's done with Vera, he better be done with these smaller men. Fight at least a guy like Andrade after that. Librado would be a good guage for truly what Pavlik has at 168, and what he has left overall. Or maybe he can try his luck vs the loser of AA-Froch.

royyjonesjrp4pno1
09-25-2010, 10:57 AM
No....based on how noncompetitive he was in those 2 losses. Hell ....Kelly's biggest wins of his career are his wins over Taylor. Taylor has wins over much better competition than Pavlik.....and Taylor sux too.
Taylor doesn't suck and Pavlik was competitive with Martinez.

puerto rock
09-25-2010, 11:24 AM
Taylor has hand-speed. He beat him twice. And while Taylor isn't known for his movement, he did attempt to box Pavlik unsuccessfully in both fights.

Also, although he lost to Martinez, he was very much in the fight. Despite Martinez's hand-speed and movement.

I think the question you're really asking is, when has Pavlik proven he can beat Martinez and Hopkins. And the answer is, he hasn't.


He didn't really try to outbox him in the first fight. The 2nd fight yes and he didn't have the stamina to keep it up.

Pavlik is a really clumsy guy with his feet and not very fast with his punches. A slick boxer who can counter and stay at angles will always equal defeat for him.

He made a bit of a rally with Martinez, but Sergio is a guy that he probably can't beat no matter what.

REEDsART
09-25-2010, 02:16 PM
Taylor has hand-speed. He beat him twice. And while Taylor isn't known for his movement, he did attempt to box Pavlik unsuccessfully in both fights.

Also, although he lost to Martinez, he was very much in the fight. Despite Martinez's hand-speed and movement.

I think the question you're really asking is, when has Pavlik proven he can beat Martinez and Hopkins. And the answer is, he hasn't.Taylor has ALWAYS Been Near the BOTTOM of the "Fighters with Handspeed" List...Moreso, his Footwork has ALWAYS Been Mechanical & Deliberate...The Hopkins & Martinez Losses CLEARLY Illustrates a STYLISTIC SIMILARITY that Pavlik Struggles w/....



REED:hammert:

REEDsART
09-25-2010, 02:18 PM
Nah Eduard is out. Now Vera is the front runner. Thats a better matchup anyway. Even though Vera has no chance, he'll at least last more rounds then Edouard.
Vera's Got NUTS Too...This'll B an ENTERTAINING Fight, as Looooooooong as it Lasts....& Vera has a Decent Following in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Area...




REED:bears:

Xplosive
09-25-2010, 04:32 PM
Vera's Got NUTS Too...This'll B an ENTERTAINING Fight, as Looooooooong as it Lasts....& Vera has a Decent Following in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Area...




REED:bears:

Yeah Vera does have heart, but make no mistake.... its still gonna be an execution. Kelly would have to be on his death bed to lose to a guy like Vera.

Double L
09-25-2010, 05:33 PM
Taylor has ALWAYS Been Near the BOTTOM of the "Fighters with Handspeed" List...Moreso, his Footwork has ALWAYS Been Mechanical & Deliberate...The Hopkins & Martinez Losses CLEARLY Illustrates a STYLISTIC SIMILARITY that Pavlik Struggles w/....



REED:hammert:

As a fighter he had good hand-speed. Fast enough to give Hopkins all kinds of problems.

The question I was answering was, "when has Pavlik proven he can deal with hand-speed." The answer is simple: when he beat Taylor twice. There's no debate here. I never said he was the fastest fighter, or even that among fast fighters, he's among the fastest. Kris! Just admit it - it's not fair or correct to say that Pavlik can't handle guys with hand-speed because he's proven he can.