Berto-Ortiz: Final Predictions

[Xplosive]

Less than a week away now.

This is a win-win fight for me. No matter which one loses, I'll be happy. I'm taking Berto within 8-9. Victoria does have a puncher's chance. The way Berto squares himself up he's gonna be hittable. I can see him walking into an Ortiz right hook and getting badly buzzed, maybe even put away. But I think the more likely scenario is that Ortiz doesnt do very well against a man with faster hands than himself. Also, I cant help but think that eventually he's gonna get caught with Berto's right uppercut, and will be on Donald Curry street.

[Dog Jones]

I pick the bigger man in Berto

[3OG]

Berto drops bombs on a tired yet flighty Ortiz after his legs betray him in 7th. berto 7TKO.:popcorn:

[Xplosive]

I pick the bigger man in Berto

Not to sound like Lou Dibella, but Ortiz is more of a welterweight. I'm willing to bet that he'll come into the ring weighing more than Berto. Plus, all you have to do is watch the press confrence when the two are standing face-to-face. Berto is hardly the bigger man IMO.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Ill go with Berto by decision but Ortiz will give him problems.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Less than a week away now.

This is a win-win fight for me. No matter which one loses, I'll be happy. I'm taking Berto within 8-9. Victoria does have a puncher's chance. The way Berto squares himself up he's gonna be hittable. I can see him walking into an Ortiz right hook and getting badly buzzed, maybe even put away. But I think the more likely scenario is that Ortiz doesnt do very well against a man with faster hands than himself. Also, I cant help but think that eventually he's gonna get caught with Berto's right uppercut, and will be on Donald Curry street.
I would prefer that Ortiz wins. I think he will at least try to make bigger fights happen and hes much more marketable that Andre.

[Jake]

The only wild card in this fight is that if Ortiz remembers that he actually has punching power, Berto's chin is fairly crappy.

Aside from heart, Ortiz is also the much more talented fighter. The problem is, he'd rather be doing something else.

A motivated Berto should stop him in eight or so rounds.

The Al Haymon-don't-worry-I'll-still-get-you-on-HBO version goes through the motions and settles for a clear decision.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

The only wild card in this fight is that if Ortiz remembers that he actually has punching power, Berto's chin is fairly crappy.

Aside from heart, Ortiz is also the much better fighter. The problem is, he'd rather be doing something else.

A motivated Berto should stop him in eight or so rounds.

The Al Haymon-don't-worry-I'll-still-get-you-on-HBO version goes through the motions and settles for a clear decision.
How do you figure that Ortiz is the much better fighter?

I think Berto has much better defence and he mixes up his attack more.

[Jake]

I would prefer that Ortiz wins. I think he will at least try to make bigger fights happen and hes much more marketable that Andre.
I don't disagree. I don't really hate Ortiz, just the push behind him even though the public has already seen the contrary to be true.

With Berto - he's a good dude, but I just don't like anything about him in the ring, in addition to his being forced down our throat.

[Jake]

How do you figure that Ortiz is the much better fighter?

I think Berto has much better defence and he mixes up his attack more.
Sorry, I meant more talented fighter.

[Irish 2002/2003]

If Ortiz wins this I will plotz....he's not a fighter.

[Neil]

berto gets off the deck to stop ortiz in a shootout

[Xplosive]

berto gets off the deck to stop ortiz in a shootout

I HOPE its a shootout. But with these two, it will either be a shootout, or a cautious pose fest.

[Neil]

i expect berto will be aggressive early and take the fight to ortiz, who will catch him with some hard shots

[mexican wedding shirt]

Like SD says, Ortiz does seem like a total douche, and he's clearly not all there mentally.

But by fuck I hope he wins.

After initially being somewhat of a Berto defender, I can't stand his unwillingness to fight anyone legit. It's pathetic.

So on principle alone, I hope Ortiz wins, Berto deserves to lose more than Ortiz, put it that way.

By the way Xplosive, they are a similar height but Berto looks significantly chunkier. I think Berto is bigger, even though he IS a fairly small welterweight himself.

As far as a prediction goes, I'm honestly not sure. I'll wait till nearer the fight.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

berto gets off the deck to stop ortiz in a shootout
Hope your right but im expecting a technical fight.

[Irish 2002/2003]

I commend whoever is representing Ortiz, they are the very definition of management, whoever they are.

Ortiz rehabilitation at 147 is most impressive, resulting in two HBO dates and a title shot, all stemming from doing a worse job vs Maidana than an ancient Erik Morales, and a division below, at that.

[Dog Jones]

Not to sound like Lou Dibella, but Ortiz is more of a welterweight. I'm willing to bet that he'll come into the ring weighing more than Berto. Plus, all you have to do is watch the press confrence when the two are standing face-to-face. Berto is hardly the bigger man IMO.

I thought Berto was a MW in the ams or something because I remember his pro debut consisted of a SMW fight so that makes him naturally bigger

[*Z*]

Berto UD. 9-3 in rounds. In a fight that we will all call boring, and it will be Berto's fault.

[whiskey]

Berto

Pretty difficult to root for either guy though.

[mexican wedding shirt]

It is pretty funny that Ortiz basically got destroyed and quit against a guy who just got a MD over a shot 122 pound legend.

But Berto isn't exactly much good either. In fact I thought Collazo won their fight close but clear.

I'm really not sure on this one.

I actually think Ortiz is probably the better of the two, but he does kind of have a screw loose, and regardless of how big you think they both are, Berto is at least used to fighting at WW and is clearly more filled out at the weight etc.

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Berto by KO/TKO...early 3-4 rounds.

It's been years and i still can't get Cosme Rivera dropping and badly hurting Berto out of my mind....


This fight might be closer than I predict I HOPE IT easy....I like Ortiz a hell of a lot more than Berto....

[mexican wedding shirt]

Berto by KO/TKO...early 3-4 rounds.

It's been years and i still can't get Cosme Rivera dropping and badly hurting Berto out of my mind....


This fight might be closer than I predict I HOPE IT easy....I like Ortiz a hell of a lot more than Berto....

So why exactly do you think Berto KO's him early?

Ortiz is better than anyone Berto has fought. It's no guarantee Berto would even beat Maidana.

By the way, did you see the press conference? Ortiz said some people think Berto is the best fighter P4P :lol:

Who, his mum? :lol:

[Irish 2002/2003]

So why exactly do you think Berto KO's him early?

Ortiz is better than anyone Berto has fought. It's no guarantee Berto would even beat Maidana.

By the way, did you see the press conference? Ortiz said some people think Berto is the best fighter P4P :lol:

Who, his mum? :lol:

Berto has physical gifts....:nono:

[Hex-One]

Berto stops him within 7 rounds. Ortiz wont be able to handle the SPEED!

[*Z*]

Berto via Black Americaness.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Berto via Black Americaness.

:love::love::shadow:

[V10]

Less than a week away now.

This is a win-win fight for me. No matter which one loses, I'll be happy. I'm taking Berto within 8-9. Victoria does have a puncher's chance. The way Berto squares himself up he's gonna be hittable. I can see him walking into an Ortiz right hook and getting badly buzzed, maybe even put away. But I think the more likely scenario is that Ortiz doesnt do very well against a man with faster hands than himself. Also, I cant help but think that eventually he's gonna get caught with Berto's right uppercut, and will be on Donald Curry street.

Agreed.

I wouldn't mind a double KO.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

It is pretty funny that Ortiz basically got destroyed and quit against a guy who just got a MD over a shot 122 pound legend.

But Berto isn't exactly much good either. In fact I thought Collazo won their fight close but clear.

I'm really not sure on this one.

I actually think Ortiz is probably the better of the two, but he does kind of have a screw loose, and regardless of how big you think they both are, Berto is at least used to fighting at WW and is clearly more filled out at the weight etc.
Do you think Mayweather is a 130lber?

[ElTerriblee]

Do you think Mayweather is a 130lber?

Is Morales not a 122 pound legend?

[cdogg187]

Berto by unanimous decision in, to use X's phrase, a cautious pose-fest

[mexican wedding shirt]

Is Morales not a 122 pound legend?

Yeah, I'm not really sure what he's getting at.

[Neil]

Is Morales not a 122 pound legend?

he hasnt fought at 122lbs in a decade. and if you come to the conclusion that he is shot after watching saturdays fight then you are a dolt.

[mexican wedding shirt]

he hasnt fought at 122lbs in a decade. and if you come to the conclusion that he is shot after watching saturdays fight then you are a dolt.

Are you a retard? "122 pound legend".

He's not a legend from his epic battles at 140 with Jose Alfaro, his prime weight was 122 pounds, thus he's a 122 pound legend.

If you come to the conclusion he's NOT shot after saturday, you're the real dolt. He's not Roy shot, but not many people are. He's still shot.

But even a shot Morales can give as good as he gets to most world class fighters. Only Pacquiao has blown him out.

[Neil]

i guess we have different definitions of what the term shot means. If you can give as good as you get against world class fighters then you are NOT shot. Shot means done, finished, cant fight any more.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Are you a retard? "122 pound legend".

He's not a legend from his epic battles at 140 with Jose Alfaro, his prime weight was 122 pounds, thus he's a 122 pound legend.

If you come to the conclusion he's NOT shot after saturday, you're the real dolt. He's not Roy shot, but not many people are. He's still shot.

But even a shot Morales can give as good as he gets to most world class fighters. Only Pacquiao has blown him out.

Morales is a 122lb legend. I disagree with Neil- Its like walking up to Ali and asking him when the last time he weighed 215, and then striking his name from the record books because he's way past his best and fat.

Morales did more good work at 122 than he did at 140.

However, is he shot? Probably not. He's damaged goods and I suspect he may never fight again.

[Muzse]

I'd be shocked if this went the distance.

Ortiz can't slip or block a straight right hand and Berto hasn't fought punchers for a reason. I REALLY want Ortiz to clip Berto and put us out of our misery but I think he will get over aggressive then get caught with a counter he doesn't see.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Is Morales not a 122 pound legend?
I think hes a boxing legend. His accomplishemnts at 126 and 130 are more impressive.

[StingerKarl]

Morales is a 122lb legend. I disagree with Neil- Its like walking up to Ali and asking him when the last time he weighed 215, and then striking his name from the record books because he's way past his best and fat.

Morales did more good work at 122 than he did at 140.

However, is he shot? Probably not. He's damaged goods and I suspect he may never fight again.

Ortiz has as much shot of winning here as Burton, Harris, O'Toole, and Reed had of becoming teetotalers.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Ortiz has as much shot of winning here as Burton, Harris, O'Toole, and Reed had of becoming teetotalers.

:lol: :lol: Fair play Karl at least you recognized them, that sets you apart from most.

O'Toole is still going, still drinking. :laughing:

[Hut*Hut]

I hope Ortiz wins.

[Irish 2002/2003]

I would love it if Ortiz won.

[Hut*Hut]

I would love it if Ortiz won.

Look I've kept really quiet, but Andre's still gotta go to Ortiz and get something....and you can tell him - I'd Love it just love it if Victor beat him.:pray:

[Irish 2002/2003]

Look I've kept really quiet, but Andre's still gotta go to Ortiz and get something....and you can tell him - I'd Love it just love it if Victor beat him.:pray:

Ortiz will try harder against Berto.......everyone tries harder against Berto.

[Xplosive]

Damn you KNOW Berto is hated, but ppl are rooting for a puta like Ortiz to beat him.

Berto is overrated, overpaid, and a cherry picker, but outside the ring he seems like a nice enough guy.

Ortiz is a prick, and deserves the ass whuppin he's gonna get.

[WelshDevilRob]

Good match-up and looking forward to the fight. I think Berto wins and can get the stoppage around the 7th.

[StingerKarl]

:lol: :lol: Fair play Karl at least you recognized them, that sets you apart from most.

O'Toole is still going, still drinking. :laughing:

O'Toole must have an invincible liver.

I had to stop a few months back myself.

I really think Oritz can win this fight.

Berto is a clutch artist though, and he's strong.

When he gets nailed, he will grab and hold like a python to clear his head.

I just don't like fighters like Berto that hold, never liked Benvenuti or Joey Maxim for that same reason.

[Irish 2002/2003]

O'Toole's liver is in his face. His face does all the absorbing.

Berto didn't look too good against the Southpaw Collazo.

Ortiz better be relying on more than single shots this time around.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Damn you KNOW Berto is hated, but ppl are rooting for a puta like Ortiz to beat him.

Berto is overrated, overpaid, and a cherry picker, but outside the ring he seems like a nice enough guy.

Ortiz is a prick, and deserves the ass whuppin he's gonna get.
I want Ortiz to get bigger and be fresh for a fight with Rios.

[Neil]

I want Ortiz to get bigger and be fresh for a fight with Rios.

if ortiz wins here at welter he aint going back down to super lightweight. thus, a rios fight aint happenin

[Muzse]

if ortiz wins here at welter he aint going back down to super lightweight. thus, a rios fight aint happenin


Rios doesn't seem like the most dedicated fighter...he'll be a welterweight at some point.

[Neil]

Rios doesn't seem like the most dedicated fighter...he'll be a welterweight at some point.

By that point he'll have some KO losses on his ledger

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

if ortiz wins here at welter he aint going back down to super lightweight. thus, a rios fight aint happenin
I think theres enough personal hatred there for him and if there is a financial incentive there for him than it's even more likely. He can't be making more than 500k per fight right now.

[Irish 2002/2003]

I think theres enough personal hatred there for him and if there is a financial incentive there for him than it's even more likely. He can't be making more than 500k per fight right now.

He couldn't hack it at 140 thats why he made the leap to 147 in the first place.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Damn you KNOW Berto is hated, but ppl are rooting for a puta like Ortiz to beat him.

Berto is overrated, overpaid, and a cherry picker, but outside the ring he seems like a nice enough guy.

Ortiz is a prick, and deserves the ass whuppin he's gonna get.

Yeah out of the ring Berto is more likeable.

But ultimately I place more importance on their overall being as fighters, therefore I am rooting for Berto to lose.

Even if he quits, or wilts or whatever, at least Ortiz is prepared to actually fight legit fighters who are at least his size, unlike Berto.

[mexican wedding shirt]

i guess we have different definitions of what the term shot means. If you can give as good as you get against world class fighters then you are NOT shot. Shot means done, finished, cant fight any more.

To be fair, I do agree the word shot gets bandied around too much.

Morales isn't SHOT like Roy etc, just washed up. He can still fight to some extent, he's just very dimished from the prime Morales.

But yeah, I agree he is not completely shot. Even Mosley is not completely shot.

I can't believe some people actually call Cotto shot too.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

He couldn't hack it at 140 thats why he made the leap to 147 in the first place.
Rios fights at 135 :dunno:

[Double L]

I would prefer that Ortiz wins. I think he will at least try to make bigger fights happen and hes much more marketable that Andre.

100% agreed. Berto is a drag on the sport, taking up a spot he hasn't earned.

[Double L]

Objectively speaking, if we were academics for example, studying and comparing the performances of both fighters, there's no question but that Ortiz is superior. Berto is basically a hack with fast hands and he's anxious to hold. That isn't skill. And it won't get him far. Even if he beats a top 5 140 pounder in Ortiz, his challenges will still have fallen short of the likes of Cintron, Clottey, Margarito and of course Mosley. His debatable win over Collazo is probably the main reason DiBella, that bald ugly fucker, is trying to shove Berto down our throats the way he did Taylor, with one meaningless vicory after another against guys from a smaller weight class.

What's stupid is that Berto's a boring fighter. If DiBella were smart, he'd sign a guy who can actually fight to beat Berto up before someone under another banner does it. It wil happen. And it will be before Berto is a legitimate attraction.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Objectively speaking, if we were academics for example, studying and comparing the performances of both fighters, there's no question but that Ortiz is superior. Berto is basically a hack with fast hands and he's anxious to hold. That isn't skill. And it won't get him far. Even if he beats a top 5 140 pounder in Ortiz, his challenges will still have fallen short of the likes of Cintron, Clottey, Margarito and of course Mosley. His debatable win over Collazo is probably the main reason DiBella, that bald ugly fucker, is trying to shove Berto down our throats the way he did Taylor, with one meaningless vicory after another against guys from a smaller weight class.

What's stupid is that Berto's a boring fighter. If DiBella were smart, he'd sign a guy who can actually fight to beat Berto up before someone under another banner does it. It wil happen. And it will be before Berto is a legitimate attraction.
I agree with the hit and hold style it can get ugly at times.

Taylor fought the best something that Berto hasn't done yet.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Absolutely, you can't compare Berto to Taylor at all.

One thing you have to give Jermain, he fought everyone, wasn't afraid to fight legit fighters in his own weight class, and only quit the super 6 because he was clearly done.

The most accurate way of describing Berto is actually as you described, a drag on the sport, taking up a spot he hasn't earned.

A guy like Berto hasn't earned the right to cherry pick, he hasn't even beaten one legit WW ffs, and he's masquerading as a world champ.

Pathetic.

Douche or not, I hope Ortiz gives him a vicious beating.

[steve_dave]

Do you guys think that Berto has any say whatsoever on who he fights?

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Do you guys think that Berto has any say whatsoever on who he fights?
Why wouldn't he. He has to sign the contracts.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Of course he does. While his promoters are going to suggest fighters etc, it IS him that ultimately has to sign the contract, and it IS him who can clamour for or try and demand certain fights.

It's very, very clear he doesn't want to fight a legit welterweight. When they brought up Pacquiao's name, he went all coy.

Pathetic excuse for a "world champ".

[steve_dave]

I don't give him that much credit, personally.

[mexican wedding shirt]

As a world champ?

Obviously me neither, that's why I put it in inverted commas.

[steve_dave]

As a world champ?

Obviously me neither, that's why I put it in inverted commas.

Nah. As anything other than a puppet. My gut tells me he's told who he can and can not fight.

[mexican wedding shirt]

The blame still lays on him.

He's the fighter, it's his career.

If he's being told what to do and mismanaged, find a new promoter or demand bigger/better fighters.

Lots of other fighters have done it including Morales and Floyd, Berto is obviously content with being a fraudulent title holder.

[Xplosive]

Well in Berto's defense(cant believe I'm doing this) TR has thier own plans for Pac, and it probably doesnt involve Berto.

But after he beats Ortiz, Berto should at least fight somebody like Mike Jones.

[Destruction and Mayhem]

Of course he does. While his promoters are going to suggest fighters etc, it IS him that ultimately has to sign the contract, and it IS him who can clamour for or try and demand certain fights.It's very, very clear he doesn't want to fight a legit welterweight. When they brought up Pacquiao's name, he went all coy.

Pathetic excuse for a "world champ".

You are naive.

[loadedgloves]

You are naive.

Seriously. Pacquiao/Roach want no part of Berto, a slick and fast fighter with a good right hand who offers huge risk and very little reward. Berto on the other hand, would jump at the chance to get knocked out by Pacquiao for $10 mil.

[Xplosive]

I agree with loadedgloves. Personally I believe Pac would destroy Berto within 6, but at the time.... I think Berto-Pac is a fight that interests Berto/Dibella more than it does Roach/Arum. And outside of Manny, who is there really for Berto? Like I said.... Mike Jones.

And its funny that the same ppl criticizing Berto for fighting Ortiz are the same ones saying that Ortiz has a very good chance to win. Which he does, actually.

Personally, I cant wait for tomorrow night. This is by far the most excited Ive ever been for a Berto fight.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Seriously. Pacquiao/Roach want no part of Berto, a slick and fast fighter with a good right hand who offers huge risk and very little reward. Berto on the other hand, would jump at the chance to get knocked out by Pacquiao for $10 mil.

Pacquiao against Berto wouldn't even be competitive. Pacquiao would pretty much destroy him, it wouldn't be much different from Pacquiao Vs Hatton.

Berto is no risk at all. Even this version of Shane represents more risk. He is tougher and more powerful, even if he is borderline shot.

Berto would jump at the chance? He wouldn't get 10 mil or even close to it, and did you not see the interview where they mentioned Pacquiao's name? He literally just mumbled something, he has no interest in fighting Manny at all.

[mexican wedding shirt]

You are naive.

Actually I think it's you that's naive.

Most promoters are content to just milk their fighters for all they're worth, selling one bullshit fight to the public after another. Just like Frunk Werren made a career out of.

For that to change, GENERALLY, it's up the fighter to actually campaign to get better fights, or move to another promoter. Berto is clearly content with taking no risks.

[whiskey]

Most promoters are content to just milk their fighters for all they're worth, selling one bullshit fight to the public after another. Just like Frunk Werren made a career out of.

For that to change, GENERALLY, it's up the fighter to actually campaign to get better fights, or move to another promoter.

Yep, Hatton is a good example of that.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Yes he is, that's exactly what he did.

Naive my fucking arsehole, if anyone is naive, it's those that think the fighter has no say. The fighter ALWAYS has a say ultimately.

It's really whether they choose to enact that say, or be content to poodle along fighting nobodies, like Calzaghe did for most of his career, and like Berto seems happy to do.

[Muzse]

Seriously. Pacquiao/Roach want no part of Berto, a slick and fast fighter with a good right hand who offers huge risk and very little reward. Berto on the other hand, would jump at the chance to get knocked out by Pacquiao for $10 mil.

berto would never get $10 million...that would mean Manny's getting $75 million.

Berto has no fanbase so he'd have to take whatever they offered. Would simply mean Manny gets a larger slice of the pie.

Don't forget, berto drew less than 1,000 folks to his "this one's for Haiti" fight. There are friday night fight cards that draw better than that.

[mexican wedding shirt]

berto would never get $10 million...that would mean Manny's getting $75 million.

Berto has no fanbase so he'd have to take whatever they offered. Would simply mean Manny gets a larger slice of the pie.

Don't forget, berto drew less than 1,000 folks to his "this one's for Haiti" fight. There are friday night fight cards that draw better than that.

Exactly, I have no idea why he pulled 10 million out of his arse. Berto is getting nowhere near that.

Berto has no fanbase, which is actually quite encouraging.

[StingerKarl]

berto would never get $10 million...that would mean Manny's getting $75 million.

Berto has no fanbase so he'd have to take whatever they offered. Would simply mean Manny gets a larger slice of the pie.

Don't forget, berto drew less than 1,000 folks to his "this one's for Haiti" fight. There are friday night fight cards that draw better than that.

There are club fights here in Houston that draw much more than that.

The best thing to happen to the sport in that case is Ortiz knocks him out.

[Xplosive]

http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/38153/berto-ortiz.jpg

Ortiz "Check out these guns Berto."

Berto "LOL, too bad theres no muscles in your heart."

[Xplosive]

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Ortiz "Yeah, I heard through the grapevine that you're actually gonna step up the comp this year."

Berto "N!GGA WHAAAAATTTT?? SHIIIIIIIIIIITTT"

[Hut*Hut]

Oh Homoerotic.... *groan*

[mexican wedding shirt]

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Ortiz "Yeah, I heard through the grapevine that you're actually gonna step up the comp this year."

Berto "N!GGA WHAAAAATTTT?? SHIIIIIIIIIIITTT"

:lol: :lol:

[Bob N Weave]

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Ortiz "Yeah, I heard through the grapevine that you're actually gonna step up the comp this year."

Berto "N!GGA WHAAAAATTTT?? SHIIIIIIIIIIITTT"

That just made me spit my soda out my nose. FUCK YOU XPLOSIVE!
That shit burns!!

[mexican wedding shirt]

Excuse the Peter Gazing chaps, but Berto also has a pretty small penis.

http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/38153/berto.jpg

I would be prepared to just write off Berto's chances right now, but Jon Jones proved you can still be highly effective with a small penis, in his destruction of Shogun.

[Bob N Weave]

Excuse the Peter Gazing chaps, but Berto also has a pretty small penis.

http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/38153/berto.jpg

I would be prepared to just write off Berto's chances right now, but Jon Jones proved you can still be highly effective with a small penis, in his destruction of Shogun.

:limp:

[Bob N Weave]

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Ortiz "Yeah, I heard through the grapevine that you're actually gonna step up the comp this year."

Berto "N!GGA WHAAAAATTTT?? SHIIIIIIIIIIITTT"

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[mexican wedding shirt]

:limp:

:limp:

[Irish 2002/2003]

Fucking faggits shit....one of them has no cock, the other has no balls, fucking nonsense.

[Xplosive]

Fucking faggits shit....one of them has no cock, the other has no balls, fucking nonsense.

:lol::lol::lol:

[Joe King]

Berto TKO7

[Irish 2002/2003]

Whats the deal with Berto? Is he a misguided softy who thinks he can fight, or is he a real fighter who just fights down to the level of his pretty average comp? :dunno:

Is a "thinking" fighter like Ortiz really the man to do a number on him?

Kellerman alluded to how "timing" was needed to beat a guy as fast as Berto, does Ortiz have that timing??

I think Ortiz might just be cashing out here....although.....he might have seen something in Berto....like Schmelling did in Louis, and like Morales did in Maidana.

Could this be Davey Moore {Berto} vs Roberto Duran {Ortiz} all over again??

[Irish 2002/2003]

Any RBR on this, when does it start???

[Erratic]

Berto UD

[Xplosive]

Yeah, Berto is REALLY the "bigger" man.:wack:

[Erratic]

Ortiz weighs 161 unofficially.

Berto 156.

[puerto rock]

This one is interesting.

I got Berto via mid rounds TKO in a pretty good fight.

[Irish 2002/2003]

LINK?

[Erratic]

Who is this Predator looking announcer?

[Dog Jones]

161 eh? I was wrong.

Let's put Ortiz in with Martinez then

[Irish 2002/2003]

Wow what a cunt Berto is.

[Irish 2002/2003]

THIS IS BRILIANT!!!

[Neil]

berto gettin thumped

[Joe King]

Wow. De La Hoya called it.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Berto will win this......if he can get out of the 2nd round.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Wow. De La Hoya called it.

Fuck De La Hoya

[Neil]

ortiz loading up on hard counter shots

[Irish 2002/2003]

Ortiz down.

[ElTerriblee]

Helps Berto on the scorecards, but I doubt he will see them tonight.

[Irish 2002/2003]

"AMerican welters" says Larry Merchant....and they are speaking Spanish in Ortiz corner. Jokers.

[Neil]

i guess ortiz has overcome how gunshy maidana made him

[Irish 2002/2003]

Wow Ortiz is such a dumb fighter.

[Joe King]

"AMerican welters" says Larry Merchant....and they are speaking Spanish in Ortiz corner. Jokers.
If you quit focusing on race, you may enjoy the sport more.

[Irish 2002/2003]

i guess ortiz has overcome how gunshy maidana made him

Yeah........does he know Alex Ariza too??

Ortiz is making "FAH"! noises now when he punches-- fucker is going to be punched out if he doesn't stop Berto soon.

[Neil]

"AMerican welters" says Larry Merchant....and they are speaking Spanish in Ortiz corner. Jokers.

he was born in kansas, smart guy.

[Irish 2002/2003]

If you quit focusing on race, you may enjoy the sport more.

Spanish is a race?

:finger:

[Joe King]

Spanish is a race?

:finger:

Who said it was? Obviously you equate speaking Spanish to being non-American. Racist.:shit:

[Irish 2002/2003]

he was born in kansas, smart guy.

So why the fuck is he speaking Spanish?????

[Irish 2002/2003]

Who said it was? Obviously you equate speaking Spanish to being non-American. Racist.:shit:

Fuck de la Hoya!!!:Hanzkiller:

[Neil]

berto is taking a whipping

[Xplosive]

Berto's chin is worse than we all thought.

[Joe King]

Fuck de la Hoya!!!:Hanzkiller:

I never disagreed with that sentiment:dancingBaby:

[Neil]

So why the fuck is he speaking Spanish?????

me la pelas, pinche gringo

[Irish 2002/2003]

Berto has an issue with his legs....too many voices in Bertos corner.

[Irish 2002/2003]

me la pelas, pinche gringo

beso me el culo puta madre...chupa lo mariconetta!!!!

[Irish 2002/2003]

I've lost count of the number of times Ortiz has leaned in with the head.

[Neil]

lampley is aroused by ortiz's physique

[Irish 2002/2003]

lampley is aroused by ortiz's physique

Its an American physique......Made in the Bay Area.

[Xplosive]

Someone needs to tell Berto that he's not a prime Roy... so stopping trying to fight like him.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Fiddy and Floyd......:bears:

[Neil]

Someone needs to tell Berto that he's not a prime Roy... so stopping trying to fight like him.

berto is doing what he can. he cant keep the kid off him

[Irish 2002/2003]

Apparently, nobody goes to Jersey on vacation, according to Larry.

[Irish 2002/2003]

ORTIZ DOWN

[Neil]

ortiz is fucked now. ouch

[Irish 2002/2003]

Fuck Ortiz. Fuck Ortiz!!! FUCK YOU ORTIZ!!!!

[Neil]

wow

[Xplosive]

WOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!

[ElTerriblee]

Damn.

[Irish 2002/2003]

WOW!!!

Great fight!!!

Berto down!!!

[ElTerriblee]

Morales showed the young guys how it is done. :rock:

[Xplosive]

Its gonna be damn IMPOSSIBLE to top this for fight of the year!

[Dog Jones]

Steward reminded me of Toney-Jirov when he busted a nut

[Irish 2002/2003]

I love this division. I do wonder, if Ortiz was not so much bigger than his opponent....

[Neil]

berto won round 6

[Irish 2002/2003]

Ortiz again with the head.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Ortiz AGAIN with the head.

[Irish 2002/2003]

berto won round 6

agREED- and for once Lederman was clear.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Ortiz AGAIN with the head.

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Regardless if he wins...Ortiz still has some BITCH in him...in round 6 when he look like he was DONE he kept his chin in the air IMO hoping that Berto would just hit him a few times and the ref stop the fight...then he landed that left hook...and got some juice back in his balls for a minute...

And Berto...WOW...what the fuck is wrong with him...? Yeah he isn't very good...

[Irish 2002/2003]

And Again Ortiz throws in the head.

[Muzse]

GREAT FUCKING FIGHT!!!!

Ortiz landed good bodyshots that last round...good move to sa strength but he's still walking straight into Berto's right hand.

Great fight.

[ElTerriblee]

Berto appeared to lose his legs in the 7th again.

[Neil]

Regardless if he wins...Ortiz still has some BITCH in him...in round 6 when he look like he was DONE he kept his chin in the air IMO hoping that Berto would just hit him a few times and the ref stop the fight...then he landed that left hook...and got some juice back in his balls for a minute...

And Berto...WOW...what the fuck is wrong with him...? Yeah he isn't very good...

based on round six? :atu: or anything in this fight for that matter? give the kid some credit

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

based on round six? :atu: or anything in this fight for that matter? give the kid some credit


Yes..the one time he was seriously hurt he looked like he wanted out...not trying to clinch at all...lifting his chin higher and higher into the air...looking at the ref when he was being hit.....

[Irish 2002/2003]

Fuck Michael Ortega.....the guy hands out warnings like my old high school teacher. Merchant is tripping.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Berto won the 8th for me.

[Neil]

berto turning into a bit of an octopus

[Irish 2002/2003]

berto turning into a bit of an octopus

:dunno:

Ortiz is using the head , I mean, take your pick.

[Irish 2002/2003]

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

TAKE THE FUCKING POINT!!!

[Neil]

:Rubio:
OH FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

TAKE THE FUCKING POINT!!!

[ElTerriblee]

Well Berto turns away, so he´ll get hit behind the head occasionally. Big bodypunching round for Ortiz.

[Irish 2002/2003]

"You don't see it done very better than that"- maybe Lamps could take up the Espanol too.


Too many voices in Bertos corner again, including Bertos.

[ElTerriblee]

OMG what a bitch Berto is.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Ha ha fuck you Ortits.

[Neil]

haymon run tings

[Irish 2002/2003]

OMG what a bitch Berto is.

Bullshit.......Ortiz could have lost points ages ago for the head-use.

[ElTerriblee]

Bullshit.......Ortiz could have lost points ages ago for the head-use.

So could Berto for his holding.

[Neil]

ortiz is a beast in there tonite

[Irish 2002/2003]

ortiz is a beast in there tonite

Yeah, but he would never win any fights if it weren't for the size advantage.....

[Irish 2002/2003]

my God...HBO is so pro Ortiz its insane. Its obvious they feel Ortiz is the more American of the pair.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Big 11th for Ortiz.....but that head is totally illegal.

[Neil]

:boohoo:
Big 11th for Ortiz.....but that head is totally illegal.

[Irish 2002/2003]

:boohoo:

It is as flagrantly obvious as it has been persistent.

[puerto rock]

Watch Floyd fight Ortiz now.

And then claim to be the real champ.

[Joe King]

Watch Floyd fight Ortiz now.

And then claim to be the real champ.
:bomb: Lets' not give HBO or Floyd any ideas. The crowd let both know what fight they want.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Nice touch my Merchant to acknowledge the others there......

[ElTerriblee]

Great fight. Gutsy performance from both, little disappointed in Berto´s acting to draw the point. :hammert:

[Neil]

ortiz looked great. he was trying to work inside while berto held during the second half of the fight. a rematch would be good, i expect berto to get the decision or a draw.

[Irish 2002/2003]

:bomb: Lets' not give HBO or Floyd any ideas. The crowd let both know what fight they want.

HBO will do the match-making here.....you just sit there and be grateful for what they offer up...:nono:

[Muzse]

anyone care to guess at Berto's first excuse?

Ring rust?

Dazed from punches behind head?

[Irish 2002/2003]

anyone care to guess at Berto's first excuse?

Ring rust?

Dazed from punches behind head?

Or a Ped opponent who leaned in with the head all night??

The #2 Welter is a man who quit at 140!!!! Love it!!! :lol::lol:

[Neil]

ortiz would be an interesting foe for mayweather jr or pacquiao. he is very gifted offensively.

[ElTerriblee]

Very good job by the judges for once.

[Irish 2002/2003]

ortiz would be an interesting foe for mayweather jr or pacquiao. he is very gifted chemically.

Yep.

[Dog Jones]

Ortiz-Maidana II (or (gulp) Morales)

[Neil]

as a morales fan Id hate to see him fight ortiz

[Irish 2002/2003]

as a morales fan Id hate to see him fight ortiz

Why not? He just beat the man who beat Ortiz? If it make money it make sense......:laugh11:

[Xplosive]

ortiz would be an interesting foe for mayweather jr or pacquiao. he is very gifted offensively.

Who knows how much Floyd has left now.

Manny would light Ortiz up and stop him. Though it would be a dangerous fight for Pac.

Pac would have iced Berto within 4 .

[Double L]

Berto's hit and hold style just didn't get the job done tonight.

[Irish 2002/2003]

I think I now see what KauKipKr was talking about.......

[Irish 2002/2003]

Berto's hit and hold style just didn't get the job done tonight.

Hit and hold? Maybe he should have bored in with his head more?? :dunno: Or used PEDs???

[mexican wedding shirt]

Awesome performance by Ortiz.

I feel bad for not pickng him now, I knew he was much better than Berto, I just thought he had to fall apart mentally again, mid fight.

[Xplosive]

Lets see Ortiz destroy the Ginger!!!

[Ron King 702]

When did Irish become such a hater?

[Double L]

Hit and hold? Maybe he should have bored in with his head more?? :dunno: Or used PEDs???

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Nothing about Ortiz's tactics were quuestionable, and the likelihood he used PEDs is no more than for Berto.

Fact is, Berto doesn't know how to fight. He's athletic and can time the occasional clean counter, but basically, he doesn't know how to fight.

[mexican wedding shirt]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Nothing about Ortiz's tactics were quuestionable, and the likelihood he used PEDs is no more than for Berto.

Fact is, Berto doesn't know how to fight. He's athletic and can time the occasional clean counter, but basically, he doesn't know how to fight.

Yep, he's a basic fighter with very fast hands and a nice counter right. That's it. Other than that he is totally average at world level.

Ortiz is a much better fighter and I thought he totally dominated the fight.

[Neil]

When did Irish become such a hater?

irish seems like a guy who isnt much of a boxing fan. his life needs more direction. i suggest finding elsewhere to spend much of his days than on a website dedicated to a sport he is so cynical of and seems not to enjoy, even at its most entertaining.

[Irish 2002/2003]

When did Irish become such a hater?

I am not......if you check back you will see I wanted Ortiz to win, quite a while back.

But, perversely, I am just brutally fucking objective.

Ortiz cheated, is probably on gear, outweighed his man, and was "fah-fah" by the 6th round.

The only palatable aspect of his win is that Berto is Ortiz-Lite, pardon the pun.

I just gave up counting......every fucking time he moved in he billy-goated Ortiz in the face with his skull. EVERY FUCKING TIME.

As for HBO...well we know what side their bread is buttered.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Yeah Irish, I like you, but come the fuck on and chill out.

We just witnessed a great fight, and an awesome performance by Ortiz, no time for negativity.

Nothing to say Ortiz was on PEDs any more than Vitali was against Solis, he just put in a career best performance and didn't wilt mentally as expected.

[Irish 2002/2003]

irish seems like a guy who isnt much of a boxing fan. his life needs more direction. i suggest finding elsewhere to spend much of his days than on a website dedicated to a sport he is so cynical of and seems not to enjoy, even at its most entertaining.

Neil, I promise, if I could sit down and have a beer with you, you would see where I am coming from, much easier. The basic format of text and forum-speak doesn't do my feelings justice- It seems to me that in this sport all you need to do is make the correct promotional and managerial propitiations, and the correct chemical adjustments, and its all rosie fucking lee, baby.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Yep, he's a basic fighter with very fast hands and a nice counter right. That's it. Other than that he is totally average at world level.

Ortiz is a much better fighter and I thought he totally dominated the fight.

I asked that question before the fight, as to what sort of a guy Berto was. It seems your summation is accurate. He's a limited guy. But he made a mistake in the 6th, if he doesn't make that, he maybe wins the fight.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Yeah Irish, I like you, but come the fuck on and chill out.

We just witnessed a great fight, and an awesome performance by Ortiz, no time for negativity.

Nothing to say Ortiz was on PEDs any more than Vitali was against Solis, he just put in a career best performance and didn't wilt mentally as expected.

First 6 rounds were up there with most of these sort of poor-mans Hagler-Hearns fests we have had, very entertaining, with both men showing balls, heart and skill- breath-taking fare, albeit on a slightly lower skill-level than anything Hearns-Hagler offered up.

After the 6th, it degenerated into a butt-fest, hold-fest, with lots of "fah-fah" from Ortiz. The drama ebbed away and it become a grinding affair, with intermittent class from both men which did little to interrupt the overall maul the fight had become.

Ortiz, a man who quit at 140 versus a guy who Khan and, according to you guys, Morales got the better of, comes off a draw, moves up a gear, comes into the ring weighing the same as, and looking like, a Middleweight. That kind of kills the amusement for me, for openers.

Go back and check the posts- I wanted Ortiz to win from way back but that changed once I observed what I interpret as, sham. Its like motor-racing. Some guys have better sponsors, better fuel, better tires, so they win. Bollox to that.

If I want to see guys win fights because they have size advantages, I will go elsewhere.

[Joe King]

First 6 rounds were up there with most of these sort of poor-mans Hagler-Hearns fests we have had, very entertaining, with both men showing balls, heart and skill- breath-taking fare, albeit on a slightly lower skill-level than anything Hearns-Hagler offered up.

After the 6th, it degenerated into a butt-fest, hold-fest, with lots of "fah-fah" from Ortiz. The drama ebbed away and it become a grinding affair, with intermittent class from both men which did little to interrupt the overall maul the fight had become.

Ortiz, a man who quit at 140 versus a guy who Khan and, according to you guys, Morales got the better of, comes off a draw, moves up a gear, comes into the ring weighing the same as, and looking like, a Middleweight. That kind of kills the amusement for me, for openers.

Go back and check the posts- I wanted Ortiz to win from way back but that changed once I observed what I interpret as, sham. Its like motor-racing. Some guys have better sponsors, better fuel, better tires, so they win. Bollox to that.

If I want to see guys win fights because they have size advantages, I will go elsewhere.

Doesn't Ortiz winning a DECISION just shit on all of that? I thought it was a sham in Berto's favor as well but the result proved us wrong and in a good way.

[Caligula II]

Viva Mexico!!!



:goodnews:

[Hut*Hut]

Seeing Berto embarrassed is pretty damn sweet. Total hype job.

[KaukipRrr]

I think I now see what KauKipKr was talking about.......

Which bit, which bit?.. :crafty:

[KaukipRrr]

Suprising upset here,.. I thought, and still think Ortiz is worse than Collazo, and Berto impressed me with his tactics under adversity against Collazo in a great fight, he fought through a constant body assault and finished stronger.

Haven't seen this Ortiz fight yet, but I've seen Ortiz before, so I'm stunned by this result.

[Muzse]

Suprising upset here,.. I thought, and still think Ortiz is worse than Collazo, and Berto impressed me with his tactics under adversity against Collazo in a great fight, he fought through a constant body assault and finished stronger.

Haven't seen this Ortiz fight yet, but I've seen Ortiz before, so I'm stunned by this result.

Collazzo couldn't punch yet hurt Berto. ortiz can punch and kept Berto hurt.

Also, for all the shit talked about Ortiz's heart in the 6th round what he did should forever erase that talk.

[steve_dave]

Ortiz was butting? Give me a fucking break.

That was a fantastic fight. Through 7 or 8 rounds, one of the absolute best I've seen in years.

Turns out Ortiz does have heart. That was a KO punch in round 6.

[steve_dave]

Suprising upset here,.. I thought, and still think Ortiz is worse than Collazo, and Berto impressed me with his tactics under adversity against Collazo in a great fight, he fought through a constant body assault and finished stronger.

Haven't seen this Ortiz fight yet, but I've seen Ortiz before, so I'm stunned by this result.

I figure you'll change your mind on Collazo being better than Ortiz after watching.

[steve_dave]

I wonder what Brandon Rios has to say about this?

[Xplosive]

I wonder what Brandon Rios has to say about this?

Rios would get KO'd by Ortiz at 147. And at 140, Ortiz would probably get stopped due to being drained.

Its up to Rios if he'd be willing to move to 147 to get this fight.

[steve_dave]

Rios would get KO'd by Ortiz at 147. And at 140, Ortiz would probably get stopped due to being drained.

Its up to Rios if he'd be willing to move to 147 to get this fight.

Man, Ortiz looked fucking good last night. Do you think it's purely a weight thing? Or a change in mentality?

[Irish 2002/2003]

Doesn't Ortiz winning a DECISION just shit on all of that? I thought it was a sham in Berto's favor as well but the result proved us wrong and in a good way.

Oh, I see, win a decision in an entertaining fight and all past sins are forgotten? I didn't know it worked that way.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Ortiz was butting? Give me a fucking break.

That was a fantastic fight. Through 7 or 8 rounds, one of the absolute best I've seen in years.

Turns out Ortiz does have heart. That was a KO punch in round 6.

Are you sincerely saying he wasn't?????

[steve_dave]

Oh, I see, win a decision in an entertaining fight and all past sins are forgotten? I didn't know it worked that way.

Not forgotten. But if he keeps fighting like that, no one will care about what happened in the past.

[Irish 2002/2003]

I wonder what Brandon Rios has to say about this?

I thought Rios was down tight with the Oxnard crew and Ortiz was his "friend"???

[steve_dave]

Are you sincerely saying he wasn't?????

I'm sincerely saying that Ortiz was trying to fight every single time he got inside, and Berto wasn't much interested in that.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Not forgotten. But if he keeps fighting like that, no one will care about what happened in the past.

Wow. I never knew it worked that way. I certainly never got that impression. Its odd.....a guy quits and can erase the stench of the quit job faster than a guy who doesn't quit? Viva Boxing!!! Viva HBO!!!

[steve_dave]

I thought Rios was down tight with the Oxnard crew and Ortiz was his "friend"???

Nah, from what I've read, they hate eachother. Or at least Rios hates Ortiz.

[KaukipRrr]

Collazzo couldn't punch yet hurt Berto. ortiz can punch and kept Berto hurt.

Also, for all the shit talked about Ortiz's heart in the 6th round what he did should forever erase that talk.

Alright. I'll have to get a hold of the fight,.. I couldn't be blamed for thinking Ortiz is pretty shit, given his recent performances leading up to this one.

[steve_dave]

Wow. I never knew it worked that way. I certainly never got that impression. Its odd.....a guy quits and can erase the stench of the quit job faster than a guy who doesn't quit? Viva Boxing!!! Viva HBO!!!

When it comes down to it, people watch boxing to be entertained.

[Irish 2002/2003]

I'm sincerely saying that Ortiz was trying to fight every single time he got inside, and Berto wasn't much interested in that.

Thats true. Ortiz had a better inside game, thanks to his being far stronger {we'll come back to that later, no doubt} but please, his use of the head was flagrant. It happened in every round.

He would move in, throwing punches, then use the head.

Are you saying he did not use his head persistently in that fight? How many times did Michael "Son of A Mexican Legend" Ortega warn him about the head?

And there is Larry Merchant...."Ortega is imposing himself in this fight too much...we are not here to see him"...fuck that. The rules are the rules. Ortega did a shitty job of enforcing them but they are there nonetheless.

Ortiz was flagrant and persistent with the butting.

You will have to forgive my cynicism, but the Khan fight, another De La Hoya production....set the tone for the evening.

[steve_dave]

Thats true. Ortiz had a better inside game, thanks to his being far stronger {we'll come back to that later, no doubt} but please, his use of the head was flagrant. It happened in every round.

He would move in, throwing punches, then use the head.

Are you saying he did not use his head persistently in that fight? How many times did Michael "Son of A Mexican Legend" Ortega warn him about the head?

And there is Larry Merchant...."Ortega is imposing himself in this fight too much...we are not here to see him"...fuck that. The rules are the rules. Ortega did a shitty job of enforcing them but they are there nonetheless.

Ortiz was flagrant and persistent with the butting.

You will have to forgive my cynicism, but the Khan fight, another De La Hoya production....set the tone for the evening.

Wasn't something I was paying much attention to, honestly. Was busy enjoying the fight. My quota of frustration was directed towards the guy that stopped fighting in the second half.

[Irish 2002/2003]

When it comes down to it, people watch boxing to be entertained.

Ahhhhhh.

But how far does the fight have to veer from the true pugilistic path before the entertainment value fades??

Quite far, it seems, especially if Housey is Winning.

I would agree- it was cracking stuff, especially early rather than later, but it just wanes for me when it becomes obvious what is happening. I get jaded when I see awkward stories about being "drained at 140" raising their ugly head when we all know that the Bay Area was hard at work last night.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Wasn't something I was paying much attention to, honestly. Was busy enjoying the fight. My quota of frustration was directed towards tue guy who stopped fighting in the second half.

The "fight" was comparatively tepid stuff after the 6th. Berto did not "stop fighting" after that, he won at least 2 of the remaining 6 rounds.

[steve_dave]

Ahhhhhh.

But how far does the fight have to veer from the true pugilistic path before the entertainment value fades??

Quite far, it seems, especially if Housey is Winning.

I would agree- it was cracking stuff, especially early rather than later, but it just wanes for me when it becomes obvious what is happening. I get jaded when I see awkward stories about being "drained at 140" raising their ugly head when we all know that the Bay Area was hard at work last night.

The fact is, Ortiz took more chances in 12 rounds last night than Wlad has since Brewster.

Sometimes I like to forget about the bullshit, and just enjoy a good fight while it's happening.

[Irish 2002/2003]

The fact is, Ortiz took more chances in 12 rounds last night than Wlad has since Brewster.

Sometimes I like to forget about the bullshit, and just enjoy a good fight while it's happening.

What are you bringing that Klitschko up for. He's a quit job....he isn't fit for a 12 rounder in Mashentucket :nono:

"Forget the Bullshit".....yeah, OK.

I would like to forget it too.....but.....from Oakland to Sacktown, the Bay Area and back down, I think it gets pretty hard to ignore after a while.

[Muzse]

The fact is, Ortiz took more chances in 12 rounds last night than Wlad has since Brewster.

Sometimes I like to forget about the bullshit, and just enjoy a good fight while it's happening.

agREED.

And it's easy to second guess and nitpick immediately after the fight...with both guys going down twice in the first six rounds it made the last six worth watching.

Plus, if you're like me watching Berto bitch up and fall apart was enjoyable.

[Xplosive]

Man, Ortiz looked fucking good last night. Do you think it's purely a weight thing? Or a change in mentality?

Probably a combination of both. But he seems alot more suited for 147.

But even being drained, theres NO excuse for him not destroying Peterson.

But obviously, fighting like he did last night, he woulda had Peterson gone very quickly.

[steve_dave]

What are you bringing that Klitschko up for. He's a quit job....he isn't fit for a 12 rounder in Mashentucket :nono:

"Forget the Bullshit".....yeah, OK.

I would like to forget it too.....but.....from Oakland to Sacktown, the Bay Area and back down, I think it gets pretty hard to ignore after a while.

You brought Wlad up. :nono:

Excellent fight that was last night. It's a shame you couldn't allow yourself to really enjoy it.

[Irish 2002/2003]

You brought Wlad up. :nono:

Excellent fight that was last night. It's a shame you couldn't allow yourself to really enjoy it.

Never mentioned no Wlad......:scratcher:

[Irish 2002/2003]

It's a shame you couldn't allow yourself to really enjoy it.

Bullshit. Its a testament to common sense that people see the flaws in the product they are offered.

[Xplosive]

agREED.

And it's easy to second guess and nitpick immediately after the fight...with both guys going down twice in the first six rounds it made the last six worth watching.

Plus, if you're like me watching Berto bitch up and fall apart was enjoyable.

"Bitch up" isnt the right word. I'm not a Berto fan, and he's a very flawed fighter with a shitty chin, but theres no "bitch" in him.

[steve_dave]

All I know... I'm really looking forward to the next Ortiz fight. And I'd be pissed if they showed a Klitschko fight on TV instead.

[steve_dave]

Bullshit. Its a testament to common sense that people see the flaws in the product they are offered.

Uh huh.

[Xplosive]

All I know... I'm really looking forward to the next Ortiz fight. And I'd be pissed if they showed a Klitschko fight on TV instead.

Ortiz vs Mike Jones makes sense. But given Jones is with TR, it likely wont happen.

Who else can Ortiz fight?

[Irish 2002/2003]

"Bitch up" isnt the right word. I'm not a Berto fan, and he's a very flawed fighter with a shitty chin, but theres no "bitch" in him.

I came to be more of a Berto fan last night than an Ortiz fan.....he never quit and made a fatal mistake in the 6th when he should have taken his 10-8 instead of trying to finish Ortiz. No biggie.

I think he showed plenty of fight and got a raw deal from the commentary team who were clearly rooting for Ortiz.

The attempt, by the very people who hyped Berto up in the first place, to make Berto look like he was seeking a way out of the fight, that he was eliciting fouls from his opponent, and playing to the referee, was as cheap as it was obvious.

And this from a Network who have aired fight after fight of a guy who feigns he has been hit low, feigns that he has been hit to the back of the head, goes down, tries to get opponents disqualified.

[steve_dave]

Ortiz vs Mike Jones makes sense. But given Jones is with TR, it likely wont happen.

Who else can Ortiz fight?

Mayweather was there, and apparently he's looking for a dance partner this summer. Wouldn't be much of a fight though.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Ortiz vs Mike Jones makes sense. But given Jones is with TR, it likely wont happen.

Who else can Ortiz fight?

Amir Khan.

Amir, after all, does not have to fight Tim Bradley, as he is going onto to bigger and better things at 147, where he will not fight Manny Pac, who is his friend, you see.

That leaves Ortiz, whom as you have all already alluded to, is afraid of Khan.

I love it when one fighters BS meshes perfectly with another fighters BS to leave them both standing there with their pricks in the breeze.:bears:

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Mayweather was there, and apparently he's looking for a dance partner this summer. Wouldn't be much of a fight though.

It sure is alot more compelling than Floyd fighting Slapabora.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Mayweather was there, and apparently he's looking for a dance partner this summer. Wouldn't be much of a fight though.

Oh shut the fuck up and enjoy the robust spectacle that is Ortiz vs Mayweather on HBO PPV with some 24/7 to go with it.

[Irish 2002/2003]

It sure is alot more compelling than Floyd fighting Slapabora.

Spadafora, if he has any brains, will try to get a fight with Khan, after witnessing Khans difficulties with McCloskey last night.

[steve_dave]

Oh shut the fuck up and enjoy the robust spectacle that is Ortiz vs Mayweather on HBO PPV with some 24/7 to go with it.

Wlad makes for awful television.

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Amir Khan.

Amir, after all, does not have to fight Tim Bradley, as he is going onto to bigger and better things at 147, where he will not fight Manny Pac, who is his friend, you see.

That leaves Ortiz, whom as you have all already alluded to, is afraid of Khan.

I love it when one fighters BS meshes perfectly with another fighters BS to leave them both standing there with their pricks in the breeze.:bears:

I'm sure Conman would rather fight Bradley than Ortiz.

Timmy isnt capable of putting him on a stretcher.

[Jimmy]

I'd like to see Khan v Ortiz.

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Spadafora, if he has any brains, will try to get a fight with Khan, after witnessing Khans difficulties with McCloskey last night.

At this point, McCloskey is almost certainly a better fighter than Spaddy.

A prime Spaddy would likely make Conman look stupid, though I dunno if he'd win.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Wlad makes for awful television.

You are nowhere near as cute as you think you are.

What was Wlads first loss?? Purritty, where he was accused of quitting.

After that quit job, he fought like an offensive machine, destroying guys.

What was Ortiz first loss? Maidana, an outright, clear as fucking day quit job.

Wins a few fights, draws with Peterson, roids up and decisions Berto and now Wlad is cunt?

[steve_dave]

And Khan had no difficulties with his opponent last night, other than the fact he couldn't hurt him.

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I'd like to see Khan v Ortiz.

It terms of excitement, it's def a better matchup than Khan-Bradley.

Bradley-Khan has early ending written all over it, due to a butt.

And if it does go the distance, it'll likely get sloppy as hell late.