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steve_dave
05-05-2011, 03:01 PM
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/johnson-tom-11.jpg

vs.

http://www.celebopedia.net/lewis/images/lennox_lewis.jpg

We all know that Lennox Lewis was a big guy, good right hand, basically a straight up and down fighter with no special effects.

Tom Johnson, according to the Cyber Boxing Zone, was a splendid champion of great skill, surprising strength, coolness of disposition and temper and the highest order of courage, durability and ambition.

Johnson is also credited with restoring respectability to the sport back in the late 1700s.

Who do you guys like here? I like Johnson by decision under Marquess of Queensbury rules. Bare knuckle rules? Johnson TKO 60.

whiskey
05-05-2011, 03:06 PM
Total mismatch.

I like Tom Johnson's highest order of courage, durability and ambition any day over Lennox and his glass chin.

steve_dave
05-05-2011, 03:16 PM
Total mismatch.

I like Tom Johnson's highest order of courage, durability and ambition any day over Lennox and his glass chin.

Can you imagine what would happen if Johnson used his coolness of disposition and temper to land a shot square on Lewis' chin? With no gloves?

Good night.

steve_dave
05-05-2011, 03:21 PM
And if case you guys are thinking "Man, Lennox Lewis was a lot bigger"... keep in mind, back in 1789, Johnson went 62 HARD rounds with the 328-pound Isaac Perrin.

I'd like to see Lennox Lewis beat someone that big. In his dreams, maybe.

Ugotabe Kidding
05-05-2011, 03:23 PM
Dude, Tom Johnson was a 62 round fighter!

whiskey
05-05-2011, 03:24 PM
And if case you guys are thinking "Man, Lennox Lewis was a lot bigger"... keep in mind, back in 1789, Johnson went 62 HARD rounds with the 328-pound Isaac Perrin.

I'd like to see Lennox Lewis beat someone that big. In his dreams, maybe.

Exactly. He wasn't one of these modern day pampered fighters that get manicures and are fed caviar between rounds.

Johnson had to kill a Triceratops with his bare hands just to avoid starvation.

steve_dave
05-05-2011, 03:26 PM
Exactly. He wasn't one of these modern day pampered fighters that get manicures and are fed caviar between rounds.

Johnson had to kill a Triceratops with his bare hands just to avoid starvation.

http://us-f5-edit.store.yahoo.com/I/yhst-41693642061643_1995_19829514

This is a snap from the Johnson/Perrins fight. Notice how these men basically make Lennox Lewis look like a little girl. Perrins wasn't just big, but he was obviously very well conditioned.

whiskey
05-05-2011, 03:28 PM
http://us-f5-edit.store.yahoo.com/I/yhst-41693642061643_1995_19829514

This is a snap from the Johnson/Perrins fight. Notice how these men basically make Lennox Lewis look like a little girl. Perrins wasn't just big, but he was obviously very well conditioned.

If this was a court case this is all the evidence you'd need. Case closed.:bears:

steve_dave
05-05-2011, 03:29 PM
Yeah, I don't even know why I started this thread to be honest.

whiskey
05-05-2011, 03:40 PM
Yeah, I don't even know why I started this thread to be honest.

Yeah, no knowledgeable boxing fan would even have to think about this one. Too bad it's not an open forum to the public. At least we'd get to laugh at the odd moron who'd pick Lewis.

Slice N Dice
05-05-2011, 03:41 PM
:lol:

whiskey
05-05-2011, 03:42 PM
:lol:

You don't believe he killed a triceratops with his bare hands? There were witnesses.

cdogg187
05-05-2011, 03:49 PM
"If the fight is scheduled for 62 rounds, there is no way Lennox Wins. He never trained for that before"
-- Smegman

Trplsec
05-05-2011, 05:18 PM
Can you imagine what would happen if Johnson used his coolness of disposition and temper to land a shot square on Lewis' chin? With no gloves?

Good night.


OK, funniest thing I've read today.

steve_dave
05-05-2011, 07:58 PM
OK, funniest thing I've read today.

Tom Johnson is no laughing matter. :nono:

Trplsec
05-06-2011, 12:28 AM
Tom Johnson is no laughing matter. :nono:

No, you're right. In fact, I think TJ is the reason the WBC outlawed the use of coolness of temper and disposition.

Neil
05-06-2011, 02:03 AM
boom boom didnt do to well against the brits

loadedgloves
05-06-2011, 07:36 AM
And if case you guys are thinking "Man, Lennox Lewis was a lot bigger"... keep in mind, back in 1789, Johnson went 62 HARD rounds with the 328-pound Isaac Perrin.

I'd like to see Lennox Lewis beat someone that big. In his dreams, maybe.

He was 238 pounds, not 328. Frankly, I think some of you are underrating Lennox. I think he would make it an interesting contest for the first few rounds, before Johnson's coolness of temper and disposition took control of the fight.

cdogg187
05-06-2011, 09:23 AM
No, you're right. In fact, I think TJ is the reason the WBC outlawed the use of coolness of temper and disposition.
:laugh11:

cdogg187
05-06-2011, 09:24 AM
He was 238 pounds, not 328. Frankly, I think some of you are underrating Lennox. I think he would make it an interesting contest for the first few rounds, before Johnson's coolness of temper and disposition took control of the fight.
agreed

he would dispatch Lennox with a gentleman's class, a rich tapestry of fisticuffsmanship:giggle:

whiskey
05-06-2011, 10:31 AM
agreed

he would dispatch Lennox with a gentleman's class, a rich tapestry of fisticuffsmanship:giggle:

:laughing:

cdogg187
05-06-2011, 10:51 AM
:laughing:
:hammert::lol:

whiskey
05-11-2011, 12:03 PM
Bump

cdogg187
05-11-2011, 04:18 PM
:laugh11:

mexican wedding shirt
05-11-2011, 04:22 PM
Jesus, they had 300 pound men back in 1789? Athletic ones too?


Frankly, I think some of you are underrating Lennox. I think he would make it an interesting contest for the first few rounds, before Johnson's coolness of temper and disposition took control of the fight.

Agreed, I mean I hate Lewis but he is really being underrated here. It's not like Tom would straight up p0wn him, it would be pretty even till the halfway point, before Johnson's pedigree/coolness etc took over.

loadedgloves
05-11-2011, 04:23 PM
Jesus, they had 300 pound men back in 1789? Athletic ones too?

238 lbs, not 328. 6'2" 328 lb athletic men don't really exist today, let alone in 1789.

whiskey
05-11-2011, 04:26 PM
238 lbs, not 328. 6'2" 328 lb athletic men don't really exist today, let alone in 1789.

Not only did they have them but they also had the highest order of courage.

mexican wedding shirt
05-11-2011, 04:27 PM
How often did they touch gloves compared to Mosley?

cdogg187
05-11-2011, 04:28 PM
Not only did they have them but they also had the highest order of courage.
:lol:

cdogg187
05-11-2011, 04:29 PM
These behemoths of yesteryear were both noble of bearing and bold of character... a ferocious combination in the ring, as we all know

whiskey
05-11-2011, 04:33 PM
These behemoths of yesteryear were both noble of bearing and bold of character... a ferocious combination in the ring, as we all know

Not to mention the honor and distinction of a General coupled with the pure majesty of a starry night.

cdogg187
05-11-2011, 05:30 PM
Not to mention the honor and distinction of a General coupled with the pure majesty of a starry night.
Thou behemoths doth cause great fear and trembling

steve_dave
05-11-2011, 07:14 PM
238 lbs, not 328. 6'2" 328 lb athletic men don't really exist today, let alone in 1789.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/johnsont.htm

steve_dave
05-11-2011, 07:14 PM
Bump

:bears:

whiskey
05-11-2011, 07:16 PM
Why hasn't Ramonza offered his thoughts on this one yet?

steve_dave
05-11-2011, 07:17 PM
Not only did they have them but they also had the highest order of courage.

:lol:

steve_dave
05-11-2011, 07:18 PM
Why hasn't Ramonza offered his thoughts on this one yet?

This thread was for my boy Ramone. Pretty disappointing.

whiskey
05-11-2011, 07:34 PM
This thread was for my boy Ramone. Pretty disappointing.

Perhaps he's reading more articles about Johnson before making a pick?

loadedgloves
05-11-2011, 09:46 PM
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/johnsont.htm

I saw that and assumed it was an error, other pages him have it at 238. But I just found a book on books.google which has him weighing "23 stone" (322 lb) so I guess maybe it's accurate.

Damn, he must have been an enormously fat fuck.

Buddy Rydell
05-11-2011, 10:07 PM
http://us-f5-edit.store.yahoo.com/I/yhst-41693642061643_1995_19829514

This is a snap from the Johnson/Perrins fight. Notice how these men basically make Lennox Lewis look like a little girl. Perrins wasn't just big, but he was obviously very well conditioned.

You don't see builds like that in the ring anymore.

Buddy Rydell
05-11-2011, 10:11 PM
It's amazing how Perrins and Johnson look alike in that picture. They must have come from the same gym or something. If only we had training methods and facilities like that today.

whiskey
05-11-2011, 10:11 PM
I saw that and assumed it was an error, other pages him have it at 238. But I just found a book on books.google which has him weighing "23 stone" (322 lb) so I guess maybe it's accurate.

Damn, he must have been an enormously fat fuck.

Ignorance.

"Fat" didn't exist during those times. You may find the word in a dictionary but it was only used to refer to the few fortunates born into Royalty who had the luxury of eating.

The real man of the time had to hunt. They chased after such creatures as the Brachiosaurus and killed them with nothing but punches. Spears or any other form of weapons were forbidden to men of such honor.

Even their starvation would not allow them to disobey the status of a pure warrior. To do so would be a disgrace to the reputation of the emerald cloth.

Buddy Rydell
05-11-2011, 10:13 PM
If that is Perrins on the right, then we can see where Floyd Jr gets his stance from. That left arm in, parry, and use the forearm to keep the guy off might just have been invented by Perrins. Floyd has never mentioned him in any of his post-fight remarks. I hate it when these new young guys don't give credit to the pioneers.

whiskey
05-11-2011, 10:15 PM
If that is Perrins on the right, then we can see where Floyd Jr gets his stance from. That left arm in, parry, and use the forearm to keep the guy off might just have been invented by Perrins. Floyd has never mentioned him in any of his post-fight remarks. I hate it when these new young guys don't give credit to the pioneers.


Amen

cdogg187
05-12-2011, 06:03 AM
Ignorance.

"Fat" didn't exist during those times. You may find the word in a dictionary but it was only used to refer to the few fortunates born into Royalty who had the luxury of eating.

The real man of the time had to hunt. They chased after such creatures as the Brachiosaurus and killed them with nothing but punches. Spears or any other form of weapons were forbidden to men of such honor.

Even their starvation would not allow them to disobey the status of a pure warrior. To do so would be a disgrace to the reputation of the emerald cloth.

:laugh11::laugh11::laugh11::laugh11:

whiskey
05-12-2011, 11:30 AM
:laugh11::laugh11::laugh11::laugh11:

I still don't think it's as good as "rich tapestry of fisticuffmanship" :lol:

cdogg187
05-12-2011, 11:37 AM
I still don't think it's as good as "rich tapestry of fisticuffmanship" :lol:
Thanks, man:giggle:

steve_dave
05-12-2011, 11:39 AM
You're welcome, fellas :hammert:

cdogg187
05-12-2011, 11:40 AM
You're welcome, fellas :hammert:
good stuff

whiskey
05-12-2011, 11:41 AM
You're welcome, fellas :hammert:
I think you need to dig up some more.

mexican wedding shirt
05-12-2011, 01:37 PM
Guys you didn't answer me, how often did Tom touch gloves compared to Mosley?

mexican wedding shirt
05-12-2011, 01:42 PM
Ignorance.

"Fat" didn't exist during those times. You may find the word in a dictionary but it was only used to refer to the few fortunates born into Royalty who had the luxury of eating.

The real man of the time had to hunt. They chased after such creatures as the Brachiosaurus and killed them with nothing but punches. Spears or any other form of weapons were forbidden to men of such honor.

Even their starvation would not allow them to disobey the status of a pure warrior. To do so would be a disgrace to the reputation of the emerald cloth.

Kind of hard to argue with any of that to be honest.

If only we had a time machine to somehow transport one of these half man half beast, fighting bare fisted in fields, hunting oversized animals with the bare fists type of creatures into the present, strap on some boxing gloves and throw them into the ring.

I fancy they'd decimate either of the Klitschkos's within seconds to be honest, it would be like Man Vs Boy, or Lion Vs Middle aged woman.

I take back when I agreed about Lewis being underrated and making it close for a few rounds, he's get demolished in seconds, especially with his chin.

StingerKarl
06-05-2011, 06:38 PM
WHAT HAS ANDREW BEEN SMOKING??????

GLAD IT DOES NOT GROW IN TEXAS!:kick:

steve_dave
06-05-2011, 06:39 PM
WHAT HAS ANDREW BEEN SMOKING??????

GLAD IT DOES NOT GROW IN TEXAS!:kick:


Tom Johnson, bro!

Jimmy
06-05-2011, 08:30 PM
What was johnson's chin like?

steve_dave
06-05-2011, 08:41 PM
What was johnson's chin like?

This a cross between George Chuvalo and a chunk of diamond.

Jimmy
06-05-2011, 08:44 PM
He looks built as fuck. Wonder if he was vulnerable to body shots....

steve_dave
06-05-2011, 08:48 PM
He looks built as fuck. Wonder if he was vulnerable to body shots....

Your fists would be vulnerable to hitting him with body shots.

whiskey
06-06-2011, 03:49 PM
Your fists would be vulnerable to hitting him with body shots.

Word

Irish 2002/2003
06-06-2011, 06:55 PM
Bartley Gorman beats them both.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=47337029889&v=photos&so=15#!/photo.php?fbid=1278307437409&set=o.47337029889&type=1&theater

cdogg187
06-08-2011, 05:59 PM
This a cross between George Chuvalo and a chunk of diamond.

:laugh11::laugh11::laugh11::laugh11:

steve_dave
01-16-2012, 06:16 PM
Bumped for Ramone

cdogg187
01-16-2012, 06:31 PM
I was hot in this thread

steve_dave
01-17-2012, 12:20 PM
I was hot in this thread

Yeah, it's been all downhill since.

Destruction and Mayhem
01-17-2012, 02:59 PM
"If the fight is scheduled for 62 rounds, there is no way Lennox Wins. He never trained for that before"
-- Smegman

ACTUALLY that's any of the Elitist fools on the MM forum that claim a modern day fighter could have never survived in the 15 round world.

cdogg187
01-17-2012, 05:43 PM
ACTUALLY that's any of the Elitist fools on the MM forum that claim a modern day fighter could have never survived in the 15 round world.

No one ever says that, though:dunno:

mexican wedding shirt
01-17-2012, 07:57 PM
Bumped for Ramone

Was there really any point? Like any sensible human being, Ramone is going to pick good old Johnson any which way.

Destruction and Mayhem
01-18-2012, 10:28 AM
Was there really any point? Like any sensible human being, Ramone is going to pick good old Johnson any which way.

shaddup tosser! :wack:

Destruction and Mayhem
01-18-2012, 10:29 AM
No one ever says that, though:dunno:

Please.

How many times have you read:

"He has a chance over 12 but over 15 rounds he gets stopped" :lol:

steve_dave
01-18-2012, 10:31 AM
I'd say Lewis would lose this one in camp. We know he had a bad habbit of dogging it in training.

Johnson, as was common amongst pugilists and pedestrians of his day, trained on a diet is beef or mutton; his drink, strong ale; and he was gradually inured to exercise by repeated trials in walking or running. (from Boxiana)

whiskey
01-18-2012, 01:48 PM
I'd say Lewis would lose this one in camp. We know he had a bad habbit of dogging it in training.

Johnson, as was common amongst pugilists and pedestrians of his day, trained on a diet is beef or mutton; his drink, strong ale; and he was gradually inured to exercise by repeated trials in walking or running. (from Boxiana)

Did it mention his coolness of disposition and temper and the highest order of courage, durability and ambition?

steve_dave
01-18-2012, 02:12 PM
Did it mention his coolness of disposition and temper and the highest order of courage, durability and ambition?

I haven't started reading about specific pugilists yet. The first chapter is all about proper training habits (it's fucking amazing, everyone should read it)

mexican wedding shirt
01-18-2012, 06:31 PM
I'd say Lewis would lose this one in camp. We know he had a bad habbit of dogging it in training.

Johnson, as was common amongst pugilists and pedestrians of his day, trained on a diet is beef or mutton; his drink, strong ale; and he was gradually inured to exercise by repeated trials in walking or running. (from Boxiana)

One thing that goes in Lewis's favour is that Johnson would be completely unprepared for Lewis's highest order of homosexuality, and dogging experience.

mexican wedding shirt
01-18-2012, 06:32 PM
shaddup tosser! :wack:

This is the worst post I've read in some time. You're a retard.

cdogg187
01-18-2012, 06:36 PM
Please.

How many times have you read:

"He has a chance over 12 but over 15 rounds he gets stopped" :lol:

I've said that in matches between two 12 round guys as often as any other case.

I don't think Saad Muhammad beats Roy Jones, but I would think his chances improve if he has an extra 9 minutes to try and land the desperation right hand, don't you? that would seem to be common sense

But if you are looking for some example of me picking a 12 round guy to lose over a 15 round distance to a 15 round fighter just based on their being 12/15 fighters, you will be looking for the rest of your life

Don't insult me by comparing me or anyone else to that moron Smegman

He is the ONLY GUY I have ever seen on here pick a guy to win because he was a 15 round fighter fighting a 12 round fighter in a 15 round fight

loadedgloves
01-20-2012, 03:29 AM
According to wikipedia, I was right about Perrins weighing 238 lbs, not 328

steve_dave
01-20-2012, 10:55 AM
According to wikipedia, I was right about Perrins weighing 238 lbs, not 328

BS!

Double L
01-20-2012, 12:49 PM
Do you think after the fight, regardless who wins, the two boxers would share in drink and good cheer?

mexican wedding shirt
01-20-2012, 02:15 PM
Do you think after the fight, regardless who wins, the two boxers would share in drink and good cheer?

I think it would be a little more than that for Lewis.

Double L
01-20-2012, 02:21 PM
I think it would be a little more than that for Lewis.

little bit of skunk ?

mexican wedding shirt
01-20-2012, 02:22 PM
little bit of skunk ?

Um, no. A little bit of bumsex and man on man fellatio.

Double L
01-20-2012, 02:58 PM
Um, no. A little bit of bumsex and man on man fellatio.

:lol:

Ha ha. Oh yeah. That's right. I forgot Lewis was a raging gay.