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**JIMMY**
09-30-2011, 12:15 PM
From BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/15114640.stm

Sad stuff.

Glad he's put that depressive state out of his head and doing well with Hatton promotions. He's recently had a baby daughter, which is great news.

Destruction and Mayhem
09-30-2011, 12:16 PM
For her sake, I hope his daughter looks more like her mother.

Roll With The Punches
09-30-2011, 12:19 PM
millionare hatton gets no sympathy from me

**JIMMY**
09-30-2011, 12:22 PM
For her sake, I hope his daughter looks more like her mother.

She very well could and could have a great left hook like her Father.

Muzse
09-30-2011, 12:23 PM
Manny almost made it a homicide.

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 12:25 PM
:lol:

Hatton should get some tan, some stilts, a mustache and change his name to something Spanish and then people will feel sorry for him. Or maybe he should kick the shit out of his wife and her mother and shoot them both, wear some designer glasses and play up his punching power.

In the meantime, he's just a fat white drunk. Fuck Ricky Hatton and his issues. Fuck him.

Nobody is interested in how this limey feels about being knocked out by a guy that Floyd won't fight.

**JIMMY**
09-30-2011, 12:30 PM
Great champions have their demons.

Hut*Hut
09-30-2011, 12:33 PM
Hope he's doing better & feeling suitably proud of his career with some perspective, now. :bears:

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 12:34 PM
Cooney, Hatton...these bums are all the same. Drunken hype jobs.

Godfather
09-30-2011, 12:37 PM
pussy

Hut*Hut
09-30-2011, 12:38 PM
:lol:

Hatton should get some tan, some stilts, a mustache and change his name to something Spanish and then people will feel sorry for him. Or maybe he should kick the shit out of his wife and her mother and shoot them both, wear some designer glasses and play up his punching power.

In the meantime, he's just a fat white drunk. Fuck Ricky Hatton and his issues. Fuck him.

Nobody is interested in how this limey feels about being knocked out by a guy that Floyd won't fight.

You're like a Baudrillard book come to life, mate. Does stuff that happens actually register or is there just the 4th hand event of your interpretation of how biased people you hate register them? It's sorta exhausting.

**JIMMY**
09-30-2011, 12:46 PM
Cooney, Hatton...these bums are all the same. Drunken hype jobs.

:flip:

**JIMMY**
09-30-2011, 12:47 PM
pussy

:jaw:

Hut*Hut
09-30-2011, 12:50 PM
:flip:

Probably not a real opinion, mate. It's just an ironic statement of what he believes people he doesn't like think.

Or maybe it is. One of the mirrors has gotta be the real Bruce Lee.

Nobleart
09-30-2011, 12:56 PM
:lol:

Hatton should get some tan, some stilts, a mustache and change his name to something Spanish and then people will feel sorry for him. Or maybe he should kick the shit out of his wife and her mother and shoot them both, wear some designer glasses and play up his punching power.

In the meantime, he's just a fat white drunk. Fuck Ricky Hatton and his issues. Fuck him.

Nobody is interested in how this limey feels about being knocked out by a guy that Floyd won't fight.


Thank you for sticking up for people like me. I've been feeling pretty exploited lately and my drum circle broke up for good last week, so I don't know what to do with myself anymore.

It's refreshing to hear somebody like you, "tell it like it is".

I to am so tired of wife-killers getting a pass from everybody, while heroes of the pale European persuasion get shit on just for sucking and making millions of dollars while doing it.

If guys like Hatton can't catch a break from the public..........or MaxBoxing, well then what hope do I have of living a decent, normal life.

Just write "He Hate Me" on my back and shelter me in a Masonic Temple before somebody with a suntan oppresses me............or worse yet, calls me a "clutch-humper".

:bears:

**JIMMY**
09-30-2011, 12:57 PM
Probably not a real opinion, mate. It's just an ironic statement of what he believes people he doesn't like think.

Or maybe it is. One of the mirrors has gotta be the real Bruce Lee.

I think Irish is bullshitting.

He's a Hatton nuthugger deep down.

Hut*Hut
09-30-2011, 01:00 PM
I think Irish is bullshitting.

He's a Hatton nuthugger deep down.

Irish doesn't like fighters, he just likes figures who bait out latent media biases.:goodnews:

steve_dave
09-30-2011, 01:06 PM
Thank you for sticking up for people like me. I've been feeling pretty exploited lately and my drum circle broke up for good last week, so I don't know what to do with myself anymore.

It's refreshing to hear somebody like you, "tell it like it is".

I to am so tired of wife-killers getting a pass from everybody, while heroes of the pale European persuasion get shit on just for sucking and making millions of dollars while doing it.

If guys like Hatton can't catch a break from the public..........or MaxBoxing, well then what hope do I have of living a decent, normal life.

Just write "He Hate Me" on my back and shelter me in a Masonic Temple before somebody with a suntan oppresses me............or worse yet, calls me a "clutch-humper".

:bears:

Ditto. :bears:

Muzse
09-30-2011, 01:12 PM
I think Irish is bullshitting.

He's a Hatton nuthugger deep down.

Hatton isn't white enough for Irish.

joony
09-30-2011, 01:36 PM
that was a humiliating defeat. i was pretty shocked myself. i thought hatton had a great chance of winning and didn't expect a 2nd round blow out.

mexican wedding shirt
09-30-2011, 01:38 PM
Hatton is definitely white enough to be of Irish origin. He has that pallid, ghost like complexion. Ever so slightly ginger too in some lights in seems.

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 01:40 PM
Hattons a fucking Bum. Freddie Roach was right...Hatton never really was all that good in the first place. He's just Mickey Ward with some foot-speed, basically. A sort of a George Chuvalo, without the glittering career and where it is he, rather than his kids, that think of topping themselves. Fuck ups the lot of them. He was no Darryl Strawberry. The Quarrys were the same...bunch of talentless fucks who wound up on welfare with cheese-cake for brains.

Ricky Hatton is not a tragic case. Arguello was a tragic case. Valero was a tragic case. Ricky Womack was a tragic case.

steve_dave
09-30-2011, 01:42 PM
Hattons a fucking Bum. Freddie Roach was right...Hatton never really was all that good in the first place. He's just Mickey Ward with some foot-speed, basically. A sort of a George Chuvalo, without the glittering career and where it is he, rather than his kids, that think of topping themselves. Fuck ups the lot of them. He was no Darryl Strawberry. The Quarrys were the same...bunch of talentless fucks who wound up on welfare with cheese-cake for brains.

We're here for you.

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 01:45 PM
We're here for you.

Why bother.....spare your time and efforts for the cooler and more popular sorts who have fallen on hard times. Don't expend precious Saskatoon energy on guys like me....I am sure there must be a more charismatic or refined member of fightbeat who can thrive under your sympathetic auspices. Maybe Caligula.

Hattons a bum, He could have carried on vs Pac, but he quit. Little light-hitting, Powder-for-Floyd Manny Pac.

loadedgloves
09-30-2011, 01:46 PM
Geez, what a pussy. The excessive alcohol consumption must be lowering his testosterone and raising his estrogen levels. He was in the same state after the Floyd loss, too. "I keep crying like a woman, the only thing that's missing is a pair of tits." (verbatim quote iirc)



Thank you for sticking up for people like me. I've been feeling pretty exploited lately and my drum circle broke up for good last week, so I don't know what to do with myself anymore.

It's refreshing to hear somebody like you, "tell it like it is".

I to am so tired of wife-killers getting a pass from everybody, while heroes of the pale European persuasion get shit on just for sucking and making millions of dollars while doing it.

If guys like Hatton can't catch a break from the public..........or MaxBoxing, well then what hope do I have of living a decent, normal life.

Just write "He Hate Me" on my back and shelter me in a Masonic Temple before somebody with a suntan oppresses me............or worse yet, calls me a "clutch-humper".

:bears:

lol

post of the year

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 01:55 PM
We all know what Ricky Hatton is. A Bernard Manning acolyte. Drink and Drugs are the stock-and-trade of his ilk, his social rung.

Here, Brother Haq implores Hatton, amongst others, to give up his wayward ways and spend his life, and not just a few minutes, stretched out on the ground in the name of the Almighty.

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Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 02:14 PM
The average loser will do whatever he can to forget his sorrows: cinema, a night out drinking with friends, "CSI" reruns. Manchester boxer Ricky Hatton things that's all hogwash. If you really want to forget about a horrific experience, you need a solid four days of binge drinking to inflict the kind of amnesia that will get you through the rest of your life. After his defeat to Floyd Mayweather Jr. last month, Hatton was asked if he'd ever box again. His response was a ferocious "duh"; and coupled with some binge drinking in Tenerife, Spain over the New Year, his career is sure to keep skyrocketing. Kudos.

Vowing to the Daily Mirror that his fighting career was not over, he declared: "You'll see me again in the ring. Unfortunately I lost in Vegas but that's the end of it." Then the multi-millionaire joked: "A few more drinks and I won't remember anyway!"
Parents, this is the role model you want your children following. Take life by the horns, drink yourself silly when it fucks you over and then trudge on like the event never even took place! We do recommend a little moderation.

At the end of his titanic booze bout Hatton, 29, was reported to have sunk 57 pints, 17 vodka and Red Bulls, four vodkas, three whisky chasers, and a bottle of Moet champagne.
He was in Spain, so in comparison to absinthe shooting Euro dudes, Hatton kept his liver bludgeoning on the conservative side. His nickname is Ricky "Fatton" Hatton after all

loadedgloves
09-30-2011, 02:22 PM
According to the latest boxing news, formerly unbeaten Ricky Hatton (43-1, 31 KOs) has been having a difficult time getting over his recent 10th round TKO loss to Floyd Mayweather on December 8th at the MGM Grand, in Las Vegas, Nevada. Hatton, 29, said in a recent interview “I feel like a women at the minute, I can’t stop crying,’ claimed the 29-year-old. All that’s missing is a pair of tits.” It seems that Hatton has taken the loss a bit hard, even though most indications were that he had only a slim chance at winning the fight.

..

Hatton added, “It’s going to take a while for me to get my head round it. The biggest fight of my life was the biggest disappointment. I think the problem was I lost my head a bit. I was feeling sorry for myself.”

heads up Ricky - the tits aren't missing

Slice N Dice
09-30-2011, 02:25 PM
I didn't even realise Anthony Small had quit boxing :lol:

loadedgloves
09-30-2011, 02:33 PM
I have no idea who he is. I think this is the same video Irish posted elsewhere with my name, but I couldn't be bothered to watch it

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 03:31 PM
I have no idea who he is. I think this is the same video Irish posted elsewhere with my name, but I couldn't be bothered to watch it

Show respect to brother Haq. Allah favours the cumpassionate.

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 03:36 PM
I didn't even realise Anthony Small had quit boxing :lol:

Frank Warren terminated his contract with him after the appropriately named Small was found by the race-haters and fag-bashers who make up these ever-growing loon fringes. Small, being not the smartest suit in the wardrobe, got hooked into hijacking the repatriation of dead British soliders, via protests for "Muslims against Crusades" {something of an irony, considering the Islamic tendency to crusade in the first place}.

Small wasn't a bad fighter, had some skills, and seemed destined for WBO greatness, until Warren decided he had enough of this nonsense.

Small, in fairness to him, has managed to extend Brother Hatton greater respect than Brother Loaded Gloves.

In other news.........and speaking of TITS

....."SQUEAKY clean boxing hero Amir Khan is today exposed as a sex pest who sent lewd snaps and sordid messages to a girl he hardly knew.

Champ Khan, 23, a young role model to millions of fans, broke the law by pinging an obscene picture of his ding-ding to a model.

He also bombarded her with twisted texts describing how he wanted to TIE up the busty brunette for sex and TORTURE her.

The WBA light-welterweight champion prides himself on being a devout Muslim and an inspiration to British athletes. He has also been an ambassador for abused children's charity the NSPCC since 2004.

But today that upstanding image is KOd by glamour model Leanne Crow, 21, who reveals Khan's sordid secrets.

"He might be a good fighter but he has a filthy mind," said Leanne, who met Khan in Los Angeles while he was training for his world title fight with Paulie Malignaggi later this month.""


"He wasn't shy - the first thing he did was grope my pal's bum. He then wanted to have a competition to see which of us had the best bottom - and proceeded to feel them both!"

After showing off his grubby reach, the Bolton boxer then invited the girls along to his penthouse "afterparty".

Leanne said: "We were really excited about the party. We thought it would be like something out of Beverly Hills 90210.

"But it turned out to be just Amir and a couple of his mates {I'll bet that Ifktihar and Zulfiq and Faisal and the boys} in a flat belonging to some rapper we'd never heard of."

Leering Khan quickly made his intentions clear to Leanne.

She said: "Within minutes of us getting there he asked me to show him my boobs. I may be a topless model but I don't just get them out for anybody.

"But I quickly realised he is no gentleman, and it became apparent after a while that he was only after one thing. He got straight to the point, talking about oral sex and asking for naked pictures of me."

Under his account, Amirkhanworld, he followed up his seedy requests with rude pictures.

Leanne says: "I was amazed at the messages, but shocked that he would send a picture like that."

When we approached Khan's representatives about his lewd snaps, the star wasted no time bombarding Leanne with more BBMs asking if she had spoken to the News of the World.

The frantic sports star typed: "Thy (News of the World) don't have those piks do thy?"

"Jus say it wasn't me, as long as they hav no piks."

Fuming Khan later stormed: "U f****d me up. Fix this s*** up. Last thing I wan is it comin in paper."

Word up Amir, the "piks" are real alright. :laugh11:


Maybe he should have sent her THIS picture, to denude her of any notions that he was a good fighter

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2008/09/08/khandown2.jpg

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 03:47 PM
Give Hatton credit for this much....he never begged any Jezebel whore to not tell tales on him.

"Oh please, please, don't show any "piks" of my snipped little willy...Shah will be angry and will flog me with the strap again and Haroon will become number-one-son"

:laugh11:

Hut*Hut
09-30-2011, 03:52 PM
Khan really is porn-cock thick.

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 03:57 PM
Khan really is porn-cock thick.

Nacho Vidal thick. He's a thick arrogant fuck and he might have Adam Smith fooled with this fucking charm offensive of his, him and his paymasters over at Sky, but most people are on to him. Tyson Fury is another one, not quite as smarmy as Khan, but every inch the thug....the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Thats what people don't get. Ricky Hatton was a legitimately down-to-earth sort. He's human. Of course he fucked up. I don't see why it should be a cause for humour or jocularity. He didn't fuck up any worse than Naseem Hamed. He didn't put a car into anyone and he didn't go running to the papers either.

He fought the guy that Floyd won't fight. It is the Hatton vs Pac fight that underscores much of the trepidation Floyd has about fighting Pac. And here we have Freddy Roach, the CockRoach, maybe the most amoral person in boxing, sitting there, shaking like a fucking earthquake, trying to explain away Pacs win by saying that "Ricky wasn't ever any good"....:shit:

Gangsters, to a man. Have another meal Pacquaio, we know you need it, to keep your weight up, bless you. :wack:

Double L
09-30-2011, 04:01 PM
PBF didn't get any sympathy when he started balling after the Gatti fight. Why should Hatton? Not to mention, I doubt Hatton wants any sympathy. And whatever changes he's made in his life, I doubt he did it for the public, but for himself and his family.

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 04:06 PM
PBF didn't get any sympathy when he started balling after the Gatti fight. Why should Hatton? Not to mention, I doubt Hatton wants any sympathy. And whatever changes he's made in his life, I doubt he did it for the public, but for himself and his family.

Hatton should not get sympathy. He knew what he was getting into when he first laced them up.

What he should get is a modicum of respect.

It would be a trifle polite.

Please compare apples and apples.

Floyd is an attention whore and a noted drama-queen. Albeit a talented one. He cried to make out he had just climbed Everest after he beat Gatti, the Indomitable Gatti.

Floyd handed Hatton his first loss- a shock to all fighters. Pac might just do the same to Floyd, and Floyd knows it. So Floyd don't take that fight.

Hatton is an honest guy, not a lewd thug with a fake exterior.

BOSS
09-30-2011, 04:20 PM
Great champions have their demons.

What's Hatton excuse then?

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 04:25 PM
What's Hatton excuse then?

Same excuse they all have. Same excuse Bruno had, same excuse Bowe had. They want to "Rumble Young Man Rumble" but they don't have it anymore. They have no life skills, a shit-load of spare time and a large disposable income. They go haywire. Bruno lapsed into depression and got sectioned under the Mental Health Act. Ricky found solace in food, drink and drugs and Bowe tried to join the Marines, abduct his wife and kids etc etc.

**JIMMY**
09-30-2011, 04:37 PM
What's Hatton excuse then?

:lol:

Muzse
09-30-2011, 04:42 PM
Same excuse they all have. Same excuse Bruno had, same excuse Bowe had. They want to "Rumble Young Man Rumble" but they don't have it anymore. They have no life skills, a shit-load of spare time and a large disposable income. They go haywire. Bruno lapsed into depression and got sectioned under the Mental Health Act. Ricky found solace in food, drink and drugs and Bowe tried to join the Marines, abduct his wife and kids etc etc.

Calzaghe did coke then ran off with his strictly come dancing partner.

Count him in.

loadedgloves
09-30-2011, 05:27 PM
lol@her being "excited" to come to the party after he grabbed their asses. Come on.

Anyway, I guess it's up to preference whether you think being effeminate/womanly or being a dumb kid is worse. I tend to favor the latter, as you can grow out of it

edit: I do find it pretty funny that you defend Hatton by lashing out at a totally unrelated individual. You really have severe cognitive biases and a tendency toward logical fallacy. Khan being a dumbass doesn't make Hatton acting like a girl any better

**JIMMY**
09-30-2011, 06:18 PM
Wow, Hatton's gettin' a beatdown from you guys.

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 06:23 PM
lol@her being "excited" to come to the party after he grabbed their asses. Come on.

Anyway, I guess it's up to preference whether you think being effeminate/womanly or being a dumb kid is worse. I tend to favor the latter, as you can grow out of it

edit: I do find it pretty funny that you defend Hatton by lashing out at a totally unrelated individual. You really have severe cognitive biases and a tendency toward logical fallacy. Khan being a dumbass doesn't make Hatton acting like a girl any better

I never lashed out. When you started talking about tits it remind me of Amir.

Hatton didn't act like a girl. He cried, which is something men do too.

loadedgloves
09-30-2011, 06:28 PM
I never lashed out. When you started talking about tits it remind me of Amir.

Hatton didn't act like a girl. He cried, which is something men do too.

He sobbed endlessly, drowned his sorrows in chemicals, and considered suicide. I dunno, that doesn't sound like a very strong person to me.

Hut*Hut
09-30-2011, 06:30 PM
He sobbed endlessly, drowned his sorrows in chemicals, and considered suicide. I dunno, that doesn't sound like a very strong person to me.

It's probably years since I've used this emoticon, but.....
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

**JIMMY**
09-30-2011, 06:34 PM
He sobbed endlessly, drowned his sorrows in chemicals, and considered suicide. I dunno, that doesn't sound like a very strong person to me.

A person who commits suicide is not a strong person. Hatton did not.
Yes, he took drugs, but he's over it now (I hope). He had a hard time of it, but that's behind him now and now he can concentrate on Hatton promotions and his family.

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 06:58 PM
He sobbed endlessly, drowned his sorrows in chemicals, and considered suicide. I dunno, that doesn't sound like a very strong person to me.

Oh, I'll keep this one warm, ready to deploy at a moments notice, like David and his 5 smoothed stones.

Outlander
09-30-2011, 07:34 PM
Other than his willingness to share this information, I honestly don't see that there is much about this story that is interesting. Or surprising.

Didn't Hatton sort of go through the kind of process you'd want someone to go through after enduring something of a life-altering, crushing defeat? Get sad, depressed, wonder "Is my life worth a shit?", drink heavily, try all the drugs you can get your hands on, and then ultimately grow out of it and become productive again?

Would it have been better if he decided to "get in touch with his feelings" and spend 2 years at shrinks & psychologists?

I guess I don't really see Hatton as weak at all. Or particularly strong. Just a human being who was elevated by talent & chance to epic proportions and literally saw his value in life as his boxing career. And let's face it, without boxing what would he have been? Bartender? Landscaper? Plumber?

I would prefer it if people like Hatton and De La Hoya (oh and SRL) would keep their shit private. Frankly I do not need to know nor am I interested in how hard it is for multi-millionaires to adjust to life post-boxing. But as far as revelations go, I don't see Ricky Hatton's disclosures as all that shocking or even unusual for someone in his position.

He appears to have gotten over it, moved on, and when I saw him giving fight commentary some weeks ago he looked fine. Like he was actually somewhat contented at this point, putting things in perspective a little better. Don't know if it will last, but I hope so. He tried hard with the talent he had and fearlessly fought his heart out for years, good for him, I respect that and hope he lives a long, happy life. But I will lose my goodwill toward him (and anyone else) who repeatedly inserts themselves into media stories where they reveal new secrets about their personal life. Just shut up already.

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 07:40 PM
Other than his willingness to share this information, I honestly don't see that there is much about this story that is interesting. Or surprising.

Didn't Hatton sort of go through the kind of process you'd want someone to go through after enduring something of a life-altering, crushing defeat? Get sad, depressed, wonder "Is my life worth a shit?", drink heavily, try all the drugs you can get your hands on, and then ultimately grow out of it and become productive again?

Would it have been better if he decided to "get in touch with his feelings" and spend 2 years at shrinks & psychologists?

I guess I don't really see Hatton as weak at all. Or particularly strong. Just a human being who was elevated by talent & chance to epic proportions and literally saw his value in life as his boxing career. And let's face it, without boxing what would he have been? Bartender? Landscaper? Plumber?

I would prefer it if people like Hatton and De La Hoya (oh and SRL) would keep their shit private. Frankly I do not need to know nor am I interested in how hard it is for multi-millionaires to adjust to life post-boxing. But as far as revelations go, I don't see Ricky Hatton's disclosures as all that shocking or even unusual for someone in his position.

He appears to have gotten over it, moved on, and when I saw him giving fight commentary some weeks ago he looked fine. Like he was actually somewhat contented at this point, putting things in perspective a little better. Don't know if it will last, but I hope so. He tried hard with the talent he had and fearlessly fought his heart out for years, good for him, I respect that and hope he lives a long, happy life. But I will lose my goodwill toward him (and anyone else) who repeatedly inserts themselves into media stories where they reveal new secrets about their personal life. Just shut up already.

Good post. In fairness to Hatton, he responds to questions more than he looks for attention.

cdogg187
09-30-2011, 08:36 PM
millionare hatton gets no sympathy from me
yeah, you reserve your sympathy strictly for millionaire businessmen:boohoo:

cdogg187
09-30-2011, 08:46 PM
lol@her being "excited" to come to the party after he grabbed their asses. Come on.

Anyway, I guess it's up to preference whether you think being effeminate/womanly or being a dumb kid is worse. I tend to favor the latter, as you can grow out of it

edit: I do find it pretty funny that you defend Hatton by lashing out at a totally unrelated individual. You really have severe cognitive biases and a tendency toward logical fallacy. Khan being a dumbass doesn't make Hatton acting like a girl any better
being depressed about something, about life is "womanly/effeminate"??:dunno:

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 09:06 PM
being depressed about something, about life is "womanly/effeminate"??:dunno:

It is, in the hardcore Muslim world, where men NEVER commit suicide and none of the men ever cry or lose check of their emotions.:laughing:

cdogg187
09-30-2011, 09:07 PM
It is, in the hardcore Muslim world, where men NEVER commit suicide and none of the men ever cry or lose check of their emotions.:laughing:
:lol:

loadedgloves
09-30-2011, 11:13 PM
being depressed about something, about life is "womanly/effeminate"??:dunno:

I think this is

“I feel like a women at the minute, I can’t stop crying,’ claimed the 29-year-old. All that’s missing is a pair of tits.”

is a bit effeminate yeah

cdogg187
09-30-2011, 11:21 PM
I think this is

“I feel like a women at the minute, I can’t stop crying,’ claimed the 29-year-old. All that’s missing is a pair of tits.”

is a bit effeminate yeah
sounds like he's trying to put a bit of humor into his feeling dejected and emotionally drained, to me

but if you read that as "I'm a pussy and not manly", that's you

Irish 2002/2003
09-30-2011, 11:23 PM
I think this is

“I feel like a women at the minute, I can’t stop crying,’ claimed the 29-year-old. All that’s missing is a pair of tits.”

is a bit effeminate yeah

:bow::bow:

loadedgloves
09-30-2011, 11:42 PM
It is, in the hardcore Muslim world, where men NEVER commit suicide and none of the men ever cry or lose check of their emotions.:laughing:

The essence of bigotry is the habit of assigning the motivation or reason for everything one perceives as negative about a person to the most immediately discernible and salient attribute of that person.

loadedgloves
09-30-2011, 11:43 PM
sounds like he's trying to put a bit of humor into his feeling dejected and emotionally drained, to me

but if you read that as "I'm a pussy and not manly", that's you

Sounds like he's crying a lot, drowning his sorrows in booze, and possibly considering cutting himself. It's great he has a sense of humor about being emo, though.

cdogg187
09-30-2011, 11:48 PM
Sounds like he's crying a lot, drowning his sorrows in booze, and possibly considering cutting himself. It's great he has a sense of humor about being emo, though.
I have to say the above post coming right on the heels of your indignant response to Irish is pretty hilarious

loadedgloves
09-30-2011, 11:52 PM
I have to say the above post coming right on the heels of your indignant response to Irish is pretty hilarious

What application does my statement have to what I said?

This should be amusing, assuming you don't just evade it with a flippant throwaway line.

cdogg187
10-01-2011, 12:06 AM
What application does my statement have to what I said?

This should be amusing, assuming you don't just evade it with a flippant throwaway line.
You pass harsh judgements on a guy for feeling sad and depressed having failed in the biggest and most important, potentially defining moment in his life's work, questioning his manhood, calling him weak, etc., really dreadful character assassination and then you immediately turn around and act all pissy when somebody playfully trolls you a bit about your religion... I guess it's okay to pass judgement on a guy for lamenting his failings (while not even appreciating what is very clearly a funny, self-depricating quote with the tits and all of that) but one of the two religions most responsible for sectarian slaughter and brainwashing on Earth is beyond criticism...

What is even more amusing is that your current favorite fighter sobs like a baby after he defeats guys that even Hatton would have gone through like a knife through butter, yet strangely your "crying is teh gay" schtick never appears when this is reported

loadedgloves
10-01-2011, 05:16 AM
You pass harsh judgements on a guy for feeling sad and depressed having failed in the biggest and most important, potentially defining moment in his life's work, questioning his manhood, calling him weak, etc., really dreadful character assassination and then you immediately turn around and act all pissy when somebody playfully trolls you a bit about your religion... I guess it's okay to pass judgement on a guy for lamenting his failings (while not even appreciating what is very clearly a funny, self-depricating quote with the tits and all of that) but one of the two religions most responsible for sectarian slaughter and brainwashing on Earth is beyond criticism...

What is even more amusing is that your current favorite fighter sobs like a baby after he defeats guys that even Hatton would have gone through like a knife through butter, yet strangely your "crying is teh gay" schtick never appears when this is reported

Well, first of all, passing judgments on someone for what you view as negative behavior is completely different from being bigoted, there's an obvious and explicitly mentioned additional step involved (assigning the motive/reason for the negative behavior to a salient and obvious characteristic, such as race or creed).

I do think the contrived and effete indignation wrt "dreadful character assassination" is amusing, did you that that because you're Irish? (see what I did there?)

Secondly, my point in saying what I said was that Irish turns every discussion we are both involved in into something about my race or my religion. He is a classic bigot in the sense that everything he disagrees with me on occasions the matter of race or religion being brought up. I wasn't being indignant at all, I'm more trying to shame him into being less repetitious/uncreative than anything.

Anyway, I didn't know that I was one of the two religions on this Earth responsible for blah blah etc, or that that was the topic of discussion to begin with. I thought we were talking about you know, boxing and fighters. But again, whenever I enter any topic where Irish is present, my race and beliefs invariably become the topic of discussion. You, in turn, invariably play his faithful attack poodle when I respond in kind, no matter how dumb and irrational it makes you look.

I'm not sure if this is because of your crush on Irish, or if it's because you have the same mental makeup/nature as your average Evangelist simpleton that feels the need to proselytize for/against belief systems you agree/disagree with at every opportunity.

WRT Floyd crying in the ring, I'd say there's a difference between crying with joy after fucking up your opponent in your biggest (in terms of exposure) fight to date, and what we already described Hatton's behavior as. But aside from that, I could really give a fuck less about someone personally criticizing Floyd, I've called him and his behavior stupid on several occasions here.

cdogg187
10-01-2011, 12:02 PM
Well, first of all, passing judgments on someone for what you view as negative behavior is completely different from being bigoted, there's an obvious and explicitly mentioned additional step involved (assigning the motive/reason for the negative behavior to a salient and obvious characteristic, such as race or creed).

I do think the contrived and effete indignation wrt "dreadful character assassination" is amusing, did you that that because you're Irish? (see what I did there?)

Secondly, my point in saying what I said was that Irish turns every discussion we are both involved in into something about my race or my religion. He is a classic bigot in the sense that everything he disagrees with me on occasions the matter of race or religion being brought up. I wasn't being indignant at all, I'm more trying to shame him into being less repetitious/uncreative than anything.

Anyway, I didn't know that I was one of the two religions on this Earth responsible for blah blah etc, or that that was the topic of discussion to begin with. I thought we were talking about you know, boxing and fighters. But again, whenever I enter any topic where Irish is present, my race and beliefs invariably become the topic of discussion. You, in turn, invariably play his faithful attack poodle when I respond in kind, no matter how dumb and irrational it makes you look.

I'm not sure if this is because of your crush on Irish, or if it's because you have the same mental makeup/nature as your average Evangelist simpleton that feels the need to proselytize for/against belief systems you agree/disagree with at every opportunity.

WRT Floyd crying in the ring, I'd say there's a difference between crying with joy after fucking up your opponent in your biggest (in terms of exposure) fight to date, and what we already described Hatton's behavior as. But aside from that, I could really give a fuck less about someone personally criticizing Floyd, I've called him and his behavior stupid on several occasions here.
"Evangelist Simpleton"??? where do you get this shit? More Islam-centric nonsense... fuck your religion, seriously, fuck it hard... Your religion is not some genetically determined thing you are helpless to do anything about, so quit crying bigotry... you could easily get beyond your religion if you rationally thought about it and how silly it is (like all religions, including, again for the 9000th time, CHRISTIANITY, of which I am NOT an adherent, so put the Evangelical thing right where it belongs-up your ass) ... if people were taking a shot at your skin color, or your ethnicity, you'd have a point. You have chosen to be a muslim, you have chosen to follow the rules laid out by some ignorant, long-ago simpleton who knew less about how things work (you know, scientifically) than my cat does.

The more important issue is your flippant assertions of someone else being "weak and effeminate" because they had the audacity to be depressed about something... I'm sure you would cry as well if you were to go up to Hatton and tell him what a crying girl he is and he promptly turned your ribs into powder... you'd be crying quite a bit then ... I'm offended by your unenlightened viewpoint on the matter

As for "having a crush on Irish", this is especially amsuing considering that most of the interaction between he and I surrounds clear-cut disagreement on 99% of topics, especially as regards boxing... I agree with YOU far more often than I ever do with him, but don't let that stop you from being a prick and making things up

mexican wedding shirt
10-01-2011, 12:05 PM
You pass harsh judgements on a guy for feeling sad and depressed having failed in the biggest and most important, potentially defining moment in his life's work, questioning his manhood, calling him weak, etc., really dreadful character assassination and then you immediately turn around and act all pissy when somebody playfully trolls you a bit about your religion... I guess it's okay to pass judgement on a guy for lamenting his failings (while not even appreciating what is very clearly a funny, self-depricating quote with the tits and all of that) but one of the two religions most responsible for sectarian slaughter and brainwashing on Earth is beyond criticism...

What is even more amusing is that your current favorite fighter sobs like a baby after he defeats guys that even Hatton would have gone through like a knife through butter, yet strangely your "crying is teh gay" schtick never appears when this is reported

Excellent post.

And I'd actually say it's more womanly to sob like a little girl after beating the likes of Ortiz, as opposed to losing the defining fight of your career etc.

At least Hatton actually had something to cry about it.

loadedgloves is a retarded, hypocritical heathen.

cdogg187
10-01-2011, 12:25 PM
Excellent post.

And I'd actually say it's more womanly to sob like a little girl after beating the likes of Ortiz, as opposed to losing the defining fight of your career etc.

At least Hatton actually had something to cry about it.

loadedgloves is a retarded, hypocritical heathen.
:hammert:

loadedgloves goes to VA hospitals and chides amputees for "crying like a little woman, being a weakling"

he's all man

Irish 2002/2003
10-01-2011, 01:46 PM
I foresee more "server" problems ahead.

loadedgloves
10-03-2011, 12:41 PM
"Evangelist Simpleton"??? where do you get this shit? More Islam-centric nonsense... fuck your religion, seriously, fuck it hard...


You have the classic Evangelist simpleton trait of not respecting the fact that others may have different beliefs from yourself. What does that have to do with being "Islam-centric?" Your beliefs are objectively right, mine are objectively wrong, and it is only due to a flaw in me that I don't see the world your way. Hitchensbots like yourself are the same breed of arrogant white men that sought to spread enlightenment to the dark savages hundreds of years ago, willing to utilize warfare and violence to achieve their goals. Only the abstract has changed.




Your religion is not some genetically determined thing you are helpless to do anything about, so quit crying bigotry... you could easily get beyond your religion if you rationally thought about it and how silly it is (like all religions, including, again for the 9000th time, CHRISTIANITY, of which I am NOT an adherent, so put the Evangelical thing right where it belongs-up your ass) ...


It doesn't surprise me at all that you are too stupid to understand why I called you an Evangelical simpleton, even though it was clearly explained. You're the classic "educated" person (most likely a humanities major) who has never had an original thought in their life. It's funny you make fun of religious people, since you are exactly the type of person who only selectively questions authority and teachings (based on what's OK to question) and believes everything you're supposed to believe.



if people were taking a shot at your skin color, or your ethnicity, you'd have a point. You have chosen to be a muslim, you have chosen to follow the rules laid out by some ignorant, long-ago simpleton who knew less about how things work (you know, scientifically) than my cat does.


First of all, if you really believe that when Irish randomly brings up the fact that I'm a Muslim in every single conversation we have doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Islam is a minority religion and associated with people of a different skin color and ethnicity than him, then you are being willfully stupid.

Secondly, the fact that someone has chosen to follow a set of beliefs doesn't make prejudice against followers of that set of beliefs any less bigoted because they "chose" to follow it. Further, there is a clear and obvious distinction between attacking Islam and attacking someone for being Muslim.

Third, the fact that I have chosen to be a Muslim is irrelevant to every single instance in which Irish brings it up and your lapdog ass backs him up. Aside from the obvious bigotry involved, do you really think it's normal and acceptable to constantly bring up and attack someone for being of a specific religion in completely unrelated conversations?

I suspect if I were Jewish and Irish was engaging in this same behavior, you would be considerably less comfortable with it (though maybe if it came from him, you would find a way to justify it).



The more important issue is your flippant assertions of someone else being "weak and effeminate" because they had the audacity to be depressed about something... I'm sure you would cry as well if you were to go up to Hatton and tell him what a crying girl he is and he promptly turned your ribs into powder... you'd be crying quite a bit then ... I'm offended by your unenlightened viewpoint on the matter

You are the classic cookie-cutter imbecile who knows jack shit about science, but likes to scream about how we need to rely on science.. up until science contradicts their namby-pamby ideals about how the world should be. Do you know how depressingly common people like yourself are?

a) Clinical depression & situational depression are two different things

b) Estrogen, the primary feminizing hormone, and testosterone, the primary virilizing hormone, aren't directly related to emotional states and how much someone cries?

Alcohol consumption suppresses the HPTA, causing shutdown of testosterone production and imbalance in testosterone/estrogen ratios. In addition, some micronutrients commonly found in beer (eg, hops) are known for being estrogen agonists. This is part of why alcohol makes you fat (aside from the calories and the metabolic effects). Gaining fat in turn increases estrogen levels on top of that.

Cliffs: girls cry more, crying a lot is a classically feminine trait, you're a dullard

Re: Hatton turning my ribs into a powder, Hatton doesn't live in the same comic-book reality as yourself, so I seriously doubt he fights every heckler he encounters. Second, bringing up what I would or wouldn't do in a fight with Ricky Hatton is really monumentally stupid. Victor Ortiz could make you his bitch, that has nothing to do with anything here.




As for "having a crush on Irish", this is especially amsuing considering that most of the interaction between he and I surrounds clear-cut disagreement on 99% of topics, especially as regards boxing... I agree with YOU far more often than I ever do with him, but don't let that stop you from being a prick and making things up

You aggressively insult my beliefs when I haven't done or said shit to you, and I'm the prick? You whiny fucking faggot. You think it's OK to repeatedly childishly insult and deride someone's beliefs unprovoked, and expect them to take it in stride? Your parents did a shitty job of raising you.. which is unfortunate, because you aren't the type of person who is going to evolve much as an adult.

loadedgloves
10-03-2011, 12:42 PM
:hammert:

loadedgloves goes to VA hospitals and chides amputees for "crying like a little woman, being a weakling"

he's all man

cdogg compares coming out on the wrong side of a sporting event to losing a limb in warfare

he's a fucking retard :hammert:

Irish 2002/2003
10-03-2011, 12:46 PM
I foresee a banning in loadedgloves future.

Ahmed, why don't you go to those Jihad sites. You would be more welcome there....until they figured out you had an education and decided you had to die.

loadedgloves
10-03-2011, 03:48 PM
I foresee a banning in loadedgloves future.

Ahmed, why don't you go to those Jihad sites. You would be more welcome there....until they figured out you had an education and decided you had to die.

Anders, why don't you go to those Nazi sites. You would be more welcome there.... blah blah

(fwiw most "jihadi" types are highly educated. I personally was kicked out of high school and never went back)

Irish 2002/2003
10-03-2011, 04:00 PM
Anders, why don't you go to those Nazi sites. You would be more welcome there.... blah blah

(fwiw most "jihadi" types are highly educated. I personally was kicked out of high school and never went back)

Were you grooming kids? Did those temptress girls refuse to cover up, drawing your ire?

cdogg187
10-03-2011, 06:15 PM
You have the classic Evangelist simpleton trait of not respecting the fact that others may have different beliefs from yourself. What does that have to do with being "Islam-centric?" Your beliefs are objectively right, mine are objectively wrong, and it is only due to a flaw in me that I don't see the world your way. Hitchensbots like yourself are the same breed of arrogant white men that sought to spread enlightenment to the dark savages hundreds of years ago, willing to utilize warfare and violence to achieve their goals. Only the abstract has changed. This is some pretty hilarious reaching on your part. I'm Irish, my ancestors were busy getting kicked around and treated as animals, they weren't off taming "savages" ... but there's nothing wrong with grouping all white people together as a part of a team hellbent on destroying all of the world's more sun-resistant populations... When you begin with this premise, you are already wildly off base. Had I been alive in 1850, I'd be starving to death on a windswept, rocky plain, trying to eat blades of grass to survive, that's where my "whiteness" comes from.




It doesn't surprise me at all that you are too stupid to understand why I called you an Evangelical simpleton, even though it was clearly explained. You're the classic "educated" person (most likely a humanities major) who has never had an original thought in their life. It's funny you make fun of religious people, since you are exactly the type of person who only selectively questions authority and teachings (based on what's OK to question) and believes everything you're supposed to believe. Utterly baseless accusation. One of us follows the rules laid out in a 1400 year old book, one of us thinks that's a pretty odd thing to do. One of us conforms to a religion with 1.2 billion comrades, the other is part of no such club. Who's challenging authority here, you or I? I was also not a Humanities major, Mr. Profiler. I actually had to drop out of college due to illness, but I see where you are going with this line of thought (i.e. "you are just parroting what your socialist professors said to you") ... good try, but dead wrong.



First of all, if you really believe that when Irish randomly brings up the fact that I'm a Muslim in every single conversation we have doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Islam is a minority religion and associated with people of a different skin color and ethnicity than him, then you are being willfully stupid. To me, Irish appears to have a negative view of a great many people and a great many groups, ideologies, and I don't see it as simply a "you're brown" thing at all.

Secondly, the fact that someone has chosen to follow a set of beliefs doesn't make prejudice against followers of that set of beliefs any less bigoted because they "chose" to follow it. Further, there is a clear and obvious distinction between attacking Islam and attacking someone for being Muslim. I'm attacking Islam, the same way I attack all other organized faiths.

Third, the fact that I have chosen to be a Muslim is irrelevant to every single instance in which Irish brings it up and your lapdog ass backs him up. Aside from the obvious bigotry involved, do you really think it's normal and acceptable to constantly bring up and attack someone for being of a specific religion in completely unrelated conversations? You'd have to ask him... but no, I don't really get that impression

I suspect if I were Jewish and Irish was engaging in this same behavior, you would be considerably less comfortable with it (though maybe if it came from him, you would find a way to justify it). I am way harder on the jews (particularly Israel) than I am on your people. I see some rather clear parallels between Israel's treatment of Palestine and Northern Ireland's treatment of what is called "Catholics" (ethnically predominantly Irish as opposed to Ulster Scots or English descent) though in that latter case, things have improved a lot compared to where they once were



You are the classic cookie-cutter imbecile who knows jack shit about science, but likes to scream about how we need to rely on science.. up until science contradicts their namby-pamby ideals about how the world should be. Do you know how depressingly common people like yourself are? Again, utterly without any base. Just an attack. You and I have never once discussed anything scientific, so you couldn't possibly know what I know or don't know.

a) Clinical depression & situational depression are two different things
Yes, I know

b) Estrogen, the primary feminizing hormone, and testosterone, the primary virilizing hormone, aren't directly related to emotional states and how much someone cries?

Alcohol consumption suppresses the HPTA, causing shutdown of testosterone production and imbalance in testosterone/estrogen ratios. In addition, some micronutrients commonly found in beer (eg, hops) are known for being estrogen agonists. This is part of why alcohol makes you fat (aside from the calories and the metabolic effects). Gaining fat in turn increases estrogen levels on top of that.

Cliffs: girls cry more, crying a lot is a classically feminine trait, you're a dullard
You seem to missing the main point... Unless it is your notion that women are inferior or that doing anything they would do (such as cry) makes you a weakling and a fag, it seems that there would be no objective way to chide Hatton for behaving that way. Most people are a bit more sympathetic than that. If a guy has suffered a crushing setback, he has every right to feel blue about it, and if that means having a cry, than so be it. Doesn't make him any less of a man, it just makes him a person having a shitty time. I was taking issue with what a felt was an unduly harsh criticism of the guy. I don't care if you have a scientific basis for claiming his estrogen levels made him "womanly" ... you were not using the term in that manner. You were using it as a slander.

Re: Hatton turning my ribs into a powder, Hatton doesn't live in the same comic-book reality as yourself, so I seriously doubt he fights every heckler he encounters. Second, bringing up what I would or wouldn't do in a fight with Ricky Hatton is really monumentally stupid. Victor Ortiz could make you his bitch, that has nothing to do with anything here. Comic-Book reality? what? Ortiz quit in two fights and laughed his way through it, he didn't even care enough about the sport to cry over it. You tell me which is worse




You aggressively insult my beliefs when I haven't done or said shit to you, and I'm the prick? You whiny fucking faggot. You think it's OK to repeatedly childishly insult and deride someone's beliefs unprovoked, and expect them to take it in stride? Your parents did a shitty job of raising you.. which is unfortunate, because you aren't the type of person who is going to evolve much as an adult. I'm probably older than you. Who's whining here? I'm not childishly insulting anything. It's childish to essentially call someone a faggot for crying, I guess my parents did a good job of raising me to have empathy. I didn't expect you to respond by being my best friend, I believe my intentions and my contempt for your attitude regarding both Ricky Hatton and manhood in general was crystal clear

see above^

loadedgloves
10-05-2011, 12:28 PM
I dunno if you're deliberately making it a pain in the ass to reply or what. Nevertheless




Only the abstract has changed. This is some pretty hilarious reaching on your part. I'm Irish, my ancestors were busy getting kicked around and treated as animals, they weren't off taming "savages" ... but there's nothing wrong with grouping all white people together as a part of a team hellbent on destroying all of the world's more sun-resistant populations... When you begin with this premise, you are already wildly off base. Had I been alive in 1850, I'd be starving to death on a windswept, rocky plain, trying to eat blades of grass to survive, that's where my "whiteness" comes from.

Your inability to grasp analogy and metaphor is remarkable. I'm not saying you're the direct blood descendant of those people, I'm saying you're their ideological descendant. Doesn't matter what your ancestors were doing in 1850, today you are part of the group I described - "arrogant white men seeking to spread enlightenment to the dark savages, willing to utilize warfare and violence to achieve their goals."



Utterly baseless accusation. One of us follows the rules laid out in a 1400 year old book, one of us thinks that's a pretty odd thing to do. One of us conforms to a religion with 1.2 billion comrades, the other is part of no such club. Who's challenging authority here, you or I? I was also not a Humanities major, Mr. Profiler. I actually had to drop out of college due to illness, but I see where you are going with this line of thought (i.e. "you are just parroting what your socialist professors said to you") ... good try, but dead wrong.

How does not following a religion make you a non-conformist? Your attitude is similar to that of goths/emos/hipsters or whoever that partake in a rigidly conformist subculture but think they're being non-conformist because they're different from people on sitcoms.

I'm not saying you're "parroting what your socialist professors told you," my own fiscal ideology leans toward socialism. I'm saying you believe what you think you're supposed to and don't question your beliefs, or the statements of an authority whom you have regard for. Your beliefs fit a naive set of ideals which directly contradict science and sensibility, you've illustrated that here on a couple of other occasions outside of this thread.



To me, Irish appears to have a negative view of a great many people and a great many groups, ideologies, and I don't see it as simply a "you're brown" thing at all.


I guess that makes it OK to attack people based on their race or beliefs, then. Carry on supporting your Nazi buddy. After all, he's Irish!


I'm attacking Islam, the same way I attack all other organized faiths.

No you aren't. First of all, you don't know the first thing about Islam, forget being knowledgeable enough about it to critique it. Secondly, the topic of this thread isn't Islam. Third, Islam was never even brought up, Muslims were. Quit excusing your bigotry with this intellectual laziness, it's fucking annoying.


You'd have to ask him... but no, I don't really get that impression

This is a non-sequitur. Do you even read what you're replying to?



I am way harder on the jews (particularly Israel) than I am on your people. I see some rather clear parallels between Israel's treatment of Palestine and Northern Ireland's treatment of what is called "Catholics" (ethnically predominantly Irish as opposed to Ulster Scots or English descent) though in that latter case, things have improved a lot compared to where they once were.

There are plenty of Jews, even very religious/Orthodox ones, who are highly critical of Israel. But again, criticizing Judaism or criticizing Israel are entirely different than making fun of or hating on someone for being Jewish. Would you be ok with the latter?



You seem to missing the main point... Unless it is your notion that women are inferior or that doing anything they would do (such as cry) makes you a weakling and a fag, it seems that there would be no objective way to chide Hatton for behaving that way. Most people are a bit more sympathetic than that. If a guy has suffered a crushing setback, he has every right to feel blue about it, and if that means having a cry, than so be it. Doesn't make him any less of a man, it just makes him a person having a shitty time. I was taking issue with what a felt was an unduly harsh criticism of the guy. I don't care if you have a scientific basis for claiming his estrogen levels made him "womanly" ... you were not using the term in that manner. You were using it as a slander.


Your point was that Hatton wasn't being womanly. Your issue wasn't with how I felt about Hatton being womanly, your issue was with me calling him effeminate at all. My point is correct, regardless of what my personal opinion is on it.

And if you think Hatton would turn my ribs into a powder for calling me a girl, shouldn't you be mad at him for thinking being a girl is negative, too?

Also, please explain this statement:

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1104191&postcount=228



Agree, I have never understood people who think Wlad is better... his punching technique is better, other than that, he's a soft womanly fighter

What's this!?! The little goody two shoes Oprah watching sissy is using "womanly" in a negative context.. *GASP* There are also about a thousand other posts where people call fighters womanly, effeminate, etc and you reply as though nothing happened.

I think you need to write a long, introspective blog post about this. :-(



Comic-Book reality? what? Ortiz quit in two fights and laughed his way through it, he didn't even care enough about the sport to cry over it. You tell me which is worse

Again, you're remarkably adept at missing the point. Please go back and read what I said, without the retard goggles this time. Comparing Hatton and Ortiz is a total non-sequitur here.



I'm probably older than you. Who's whining here? I'm not childishly insulting anything. It's childish to essentially call someone a faggot for crying, I guess my parents did a good job of raising me to have empathy. I didn't expect you to respond by being my best friend, I believe my intentions and my contempt for your attitude regarding both Ricky Hatton and manhood in general was crystal clear


Age doesn't have shit to do with anything. Glad you were raised to have empathy for millionaire athletes who you've never met, but think it's OK to deride and mock someone's personal beliefs out of context, as well as deride and mock them for having those personal beliefs.

**JIMMY**
10-05-2011, 12:37 PM
Some quoting going on here.

cdogg187
10-05-2011, 01:12 PM
I dunno if you're deliberately making it a pain in the ass to reply or what. Nevertheless




Your inability to grasp analogy and metaphor is remarkable. I'm not saying you're the direct blood descendant of those people, I'm saying you're their ideological descendant. Doesn't matter what your ancestors were doing in 1850, today you are part of the group I described - "arrogant white men seeking to spread enlightenment to the dark savages, willing to utilize warfare and violence to achieve their goals."



How does not following a religion make you a non-conformist? Your attitude is similar to that of goths/emos/hipsters or whoever that partake in a rigidly conformist subculture but think they're being non-conformist because they're different from people on sitcoms.

I'm not saying you're "parroting what your socialist professors told you," my own fiscal ideology leans toward socialism. I'm saying you believe what you think you're supposed to and don't question your beliefs, or the statements of an authority whom you have regard for. Your beliefs fit a naive set of ideals which directly contradict science and sensibility, you've illustrated that here on a couple of other occasions outside of this thread.



I guess that makes it OK to attack people based on their race or beliefs, then. Carry on supporting your Nazi buddy. After all, he's Irish!



No you aren't. First of all, you don't know the first thing about Islam, forget being knowledgeable enough about it to critique it. Secondly, the topic of this thread isn't Islam. Third, Islam was never even brought up, Muslims were. Quit excusing your bigotry with this intellectual laziness, it's fucking annoying.





This is a non-sequitur. Do you even read what you're replying to?



There are plenty of Jews, even very religious/Orthodox ones, who are highly critical of Israel. But again, criticizing Judaism or criticizing Israel are entirely different than making fun of or hating on someone for being Jewish. Would you be ok with the latter?



Your point was that Hatton wasn't being womanly. Your issue wasn't with how I felt about Hatton being womanly, your issue was with me calling him effeminate at all. My point is correct, regardless of what my personal opinion is on it.

And if you think Hatton would turn my ribs into a powder for calling me a girl, shouldn't you be mad at him for thinking being a girl is negative, too?

Also, please explain this statement:

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1104191&postcount=228



What's this!?! The little goody two shoes Oprah watching sissy is using "womanly" in a negative context.. *GASP* There are also about a thousand other posts where people call fighters womanly, effeminate, etc and you reply as though nothing happened.

I think you need to write a long, introspective blog post about this. :-(



Again, you're remarkably adept at missing the point. Please go back and read what I said, without the retard goggles this time. Comparing Hatton and Ortiz is a total non-sequitur here.



Age doesn't have shit to do with anything. Glad you were raised to have empathy for millionaire athletes who you've never met, but think it's OK to deride and mock someone's personal beliefs out of context, as well as deride and mock them for having those personal beliefs.

First off, where have I advocated using violence or imperialist tactics to educate those whom you call "savages"? This is a blatantly paranoid and racist take and wholly without merit in my case. The fact that you really believe that analogy is applicable to me is beyond misguided

Secondly, where have I demonstrated that I conform to ANY group or ideology? Where is this evidence of a "naive" set of beliefs? This is merely speculation on your part, based on nothing other than your dislike of me.

Your own prejudices are that anyone with an opinion you do not like is part of a group (emo, hipster, etc) that conforms to some rigid concept, an incredibly ironic stance for a religious zealot. I am not part of any group, or any subculture, I don't wear a uniform. You can continue to imagine that if you'd like, but I am not a member of anything, nor do I hang out with people who think or look like me or like all the same things that I do.

Pardon me, but what authority is it that you believe I have regard for? This is all just a blind stab in the dark, every bit of it. Whose orders am I supposedly following?

For someone who is remarkably sensitive to any criticism, you sure like to throw the word "Nazi" around as if it is the same thing as saying "stupid"... Nazi is a bit of a strong term to throw at a guy based on whatever it is you know of him... It would be like me calling you "Taliban" ... it's a slander with nowhere near the requisite evidence to justify its use... but I suppose extreme name-calling is okay as long as YOU are the one doing it

I am attacking your religion, because I think organized religions are absurd (based on my first hand experiences growing up Catholic, a religion I bash far more savagely than yours) ... so, indirectly, I suppose that means I am attacking Muslims... and yes, if a jewish poster were here and was as rabid about his faith ("the torah is the most beautiful book ever, none can eclipse its mastery" ... Hebrew "is the most beautiful language ever' ... both of these things are OPINIONS, though you, using Quaran and Arabic in place of Torah and Hebrew, presented these as completely factual statements beyond debate... that such statements are illogical should be clear after thinking about it for several seconds) ... If such a person were here, I would take issue with them as much as I take issue with your preaching... you seem to believe that my observations are somehow fueled by some white christian base, I think you assume this of anyone "white" who says anything negative about Islam... you are incredibly off-base... Besides, who says I hate anyone for being any religion? Is it your belief that I hate YOU? Because I don't; I don't even know you. I hate your religion, but I believe in your right to practice it. As long as it isn't infringing on me personally, have at it for all I care. I feel the same for all religions, that doesn't mean can't lament their existence or the things they teach.

There is nothing negative about being a girl, if you are a girl... but calling a man "womanly" or calling a woman "manly" is definitely an insult to that person.

Being womanly IN THE RING would definitely be a negative for a man taking part in a sport where death is a potential consequence, wouldn't you say? That's a whole different criticism than calling a guy a girl because he cried, especially when you would never say such a thing about Floyd Mayweather who has twice weeped after easy victories againt overmatched opponents. Notice, however, that I never essentially called Mayweather a "weak woman" for crying... I wondered why he would be compelled to cry tears of joy after two rather easy matchups, but I never called his mental or emotional strength into question because of him crying (something you would have done, if you were consistent on this particular issue)

loadedgloves
10-05-2011, 03:22 PM
First off, where have I advocated using violence or imperialist tactics to educate those whom you call "savages"? This is a blatantly paranoid and racist take and wholly without merit in my case. The fact that you really believe that analogy is applicable to me is beyond misguided

You are a fan of Christopher Hitchens, you consider him a "brilliant author and journalist." Hitchens fully advocates exactly what I just described. If you weren't aware of that, you should do a bit more reading before you support and laud the views and character of a commentator such as Hitchens.



Secondly, where have I demonstrated that I conform to ANY group or ideology? Where is this evidence of a "naive" set of beliefs? This is merely speculation on your part, based on nothing other than your dislike of me.

Your own prejudices are that anyone with an opinion you do not like is part of a group (emo, hipster, etc) that conforms to some rigid concept, an incredibly ironic stance for a religious zealot. I am not part of any group, or any subculture, I don't wear a uniform. You can continue to imagine that if you'd like, but I am not a member of anything, nor do I hang out with people who think or look like me or like all the same things that I do.

Pardon me, but what authority is it that you believe I have regard for? This is all just a blind stab in the dark, every bit of it. Whose orders am I supposedly following?


Secular humanist, probably among others. But that's irrelevant - my point and issue is not with you being part of a cohesive group or identifiable as such, rather that you conform to specific beliefs held up as ideals without questioning them. The commonness of these beliefs as well as their contradiction of basic science attest to both your conformity and your unwillingness to question them.

Oh and regarding your naive beliefs that contradict basic science - you've exhibited them here during your defense of Hatton, and I'm sure elsewhere that I don't recall as well. I suspect that in general on the topic of gender (and probably gender relations), ideals trump science for you.



For someone who is remarkably sensitive to any criticism, you sure like to throw the word "Nazi" around as if it is the same thing as saying "stupid"... Nazi is a bit of a strong term to throw at a guy based on whatever it is you know of him... It would be like me calling you "Taliban" ... it's a slander with nowhere near the requisite evidence to justify its use... but I suppose extreme name-calling is okay as long as YOU are the one doing it


Really? He's a racist, nationalistic, white supremacist. The most identifiable odious aspects of Nazi doctrine. But even aside from that, the analogy is stupid. As an exercise to help assist with your development, try to come up with at least 2 good reasons why.



I am attacking your religion, because I think organized religions are absurd (based on my first hand experiences growing up Catholic, a religion I bash far more savagely than yours) ... so, indirectly, I suppose that means I am attacking Muslims...


Once again, Islam was not brought up. Loadedgloves being a Muslim was brought up. You backed up Irish attacking me for it. The distinction has been explained to your unbelievably dense ass a number of times. And again, you don't know enough about my religion to attack it. If you had wanted to have an honest intellectual discussion instead of coming off like a jerkoff, you could have opened up a thread in TAA and I would have schooled you.



and yes, if a jewish poster were here and was as rabid about his faith ("the torah is the most beautiful book ever, none can eclipse its mastery" ... Hebrew "is the most beautiful language ever' ... both of these things are OPINIONS, though you, using Quaran and Arabic in place of Torah and Hebrew, presented these as completely factual statements beyond debate... that such statements are illogical should be clear after thinking about it for several seconds) ... If such a person were here, I would take issue with them as much as I take issue with your preaching...


You stupid fuck. I have never brought up anything about my religion specifically even once on this forum here. It is ALWAYS, ALWAYS Irish who brings up my religion. I merely defended my religion when it was brought up by others. Unlike you, I am not a classically annoying rabid douchebag proselytizer of my beliefs. If another poster mocked you for being an atheist or mocked atheists in reference to you, I wouldn't feel the need to talk about how atheists are wrong and stupid and then on top of that turn around & act like I was engaging in an intellectual critique of atheism.

Aside from that, you are being dishonest about what I said to suit your worthless arguments. What I said was:



Let me fill you in - the Qur'an is accepted by consensus of scholars of Arabic to be the most brilliant literary work ever created. It's especially worth noting that this is from a culture which HIGHLY valued eloquence, poetry and prose (and still does).

Go ahead, find me a scholar of Arabic who disagrees.

I also never said Arabic was the most beautiful language ever. I said it was considerably more complex and nuanced than any Germanic language. This is something which anyone with even a passing knowledge of linguistics could tell you.

You are not only intellectually lazy, you are intellectually dishonest.



you seem to believe that my observations are somehow fueled by some white christian base, I think you assume this of anyone "white" who says anything negative about Islam... you are incredibly off-base...


No, you are off-base about this assumption. I called you a Hitchensbot, I don't even know how you could begin to draw that conclusion. Though your values are almost certainly influenced to some extent by European culture, and that in turn is white and strongly influenced by Christian values and teachings.



Besides, who says I hate anyone for being any religion? Is it your belief that I hate YOU? Because I don't; I don't even know you. I hate your religion, but I believe in your right to practice it. As long as it isn't infringing on me personally, have at it for all I care. I feel the same for all religions, that doesn't mean can't lament their existence or the things they teach.


I didn't say you hated anyone for being any religion. FWIW arguing a point that hasn't been made and/or trying to change the substance of the point that was made to something easier to refute doesn't make you appear to be more effective in debate.




There is nothing negative about being a girl, if you are a girl... but calling a man "womanly" or calling a woman "manly" is definitely an insult to that person.

Being womanly IN THE RING would definitely be a negative for a man taking part in a sport where death is a potential consequence, wouldn't you say? That's a whole different criticism than calling a guy a girl because he cried, especially when you would never say such a thing about Floyd Mayweather who has twice weeped after easy victories againt overmatched opponents. Notice, however, that I never essentially called Mayweather a "weak woman" for crying... I wondered why he would be compelled to cry tears of joy after two rather easy matchups, but I never called his mental or emotional strength into question because of him crying (something you would have done, if you were consistent on this particular issue)

First, you claimed that Hatton wasn't womanly. Then you acknowledge that he is womanly, but that's OK because he's not being womanly in the ring. And it would be OK for me to criticize him for being womanly in the ring, but it's wrong to make cracks about him acting womanly in another context. Yeah, you're not logically inconsistent or anything.

Re: Floyd Jr weeping after destroying overmatched opponents, you suck at reading



WRT Floyd crying in the ring, I'd say there's a difference between crying with joy after fucking up your opponent in your biggest (in terms of exposure) fight to date, and what we already described Hatton's behavior as. But aside from that, I could really give a fuck less about someone personally criticizing Floyd, I've called him and his behavior stupid on several occasions here.

cdogg187
10-05-2011, 04:47 PM
[quote=loadedgloves;1115329]You are a fan of Christopher Hitchens, you consider him a "brilliant author and journalist." Hitchens fully advocates exactly what I just described. If you weren't aware of that, you should do a bit more reading before you support and laud the views and character of a commentator such as Hitchens. You can think someone is a brilliant guy and still disagree with him, vehemently at times. Do you agree with every word said by people whom you think are very bright? Is it your position that because I'd admire Hitchens' intellect and ability to debate that it means I agree with everything he says? For one enormous example, I think he's positively dead wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan, I think he is positively wrong on matters of women as well.



Secular humanist, probably among others. But that's irrelevant - my point and issue is not with you being part of a cohesive group or identifiable as such, rather that you conform to specific beliefs held up as ideals without questioning them. The commonness of these beliefs as well as their contradiction of basic science attest to both your conformity and your unwillingness to question them. Secular Humanist is a vague label and nothing more... It is like saying someone is a "Socialist", well what TYPE of socialist?, etc. ... You are still completely stabbing in the dark with this... you keep saying that I conform to specific beliefs and do not question them, yet you have no evidence of this at all. NONE. Also, I find it highly amusing to see you, a religious man who is positive that there is such a thing as god and that he personally communicated with one man 1400 years ago, is sitting here preaching about "basic science" ... what exactly in "Basic Science" supports that being likely?

Oh and regarding your naive beliefs that contradict basic science - you've exhibited them here during your defense of Hatton, and I'm sure elsewhere that I don't recall as well. I suspect that in general on the topic of gender (and probably gender relations), ideals trump science for you. Because I refuse to believe for a single second that you were merely making a "scientific" observation about Hatton, that means I don't FULLY UNDERSTAND what you were trying to say as a defense? Here's a newsflash for you, man, other people read too. You aren't the only one. If you think the information you provided regarding estrogen levels, alchohol, situational vs major depression, etc. is some INCREDIBLE BOMBSHELL that I was totally unaware of, you are an arrogant, presumptuous twit... Ideals do not trump science for me with regards to gender relations... You have nothing to support that other than the fact that I called bullshit on your rationalization of your comments regarding Hatton, because it was absolute nonsense. Crying = Faggotry to you, it's as simple as that. Stop trying to intellectualize it just because several people thought it was a prickish position to take.



Really? He's a racist, nationalistic, white supremacist. The most identifiable odious aspects of Nazi doctrine. But even aside from that, the analogy is stupid. As an exercise to help assist with your development, try to come up with at least 2 good reasons why. I'm not interested in delving deep into whatever makes Irish tick, as I don't really know the man. All I can say is that I have never gotten the impression that he is truly any of those things (particularly nationalistic, as he seldom ever talks about Ireland, unless it's a critical position) ... Like I said, I think one should be very careful before jumping to conclude that a guy is a racist or especially a "white supremacist" , especially if theyre basing it off of discussions primarily regarding boxing. I think it is more obvious that he is a reactionary of sorts, particularly to anything media-related, no matter what the topic is (see the "Premiere League" threads for evidence, there's not a bit in there that I think anyone would construe as racist... but there is an undeniable issue with all things media... in boxing, it just so happens that race is often made an issue on many fronts, including those in the media... The litmus test of racism to me would be if the individual believes that his particular skin color or ehtnic origin should afford him a deserved higher quality of life than people who are not of like him... I don't know that you could accurately say that about him and I certainly don't see much evidence to support going anywhere near that far. "Nazi" is a vulgar, damning label to put on a guy with the scant evidence you have which is why the analogy of "Taliban" is perfectly legit... It would be insane for me to call you that simply because you are a devout muslim.



Once again, Islam was not brought up. Loadedgloves being a Muslim was brought up. You backed up Irish attacking me for it. The distinction has been explained to your unbelievably dense ass a number of times. And again, you don't know enough about my religion to attack it. If you had wanted to have an honest intellectual discussion instead of coming off like a jerkoff, you could have opened up a thread in TAA and I would have schooled you. The reason it was brought up, and it seemed obvious to me it was meant to poke you a bit, was that your viewpoint of Hatton had some shades of misogony which, like it or not, is associated by many people with Islam. As for schooling me, I have a feeling from talking to you here that you are so incredibly arrogant and cocksure that you wouldn't know if someone had made a valid counter-argument anyway.



You stupid fuck. I have never brought up anything about my religion specifically even once on this forum here. It is ALWAYS, ALWAYS Irish who brings up my religion. I merely defended my religion when it was brought up by others. Unlike you, I am not a classically annoying rabid douchebag proselytizer of my beliefs. If another poster mocked you for being an atheist or mocked atheists in reference to you, I wouldn't feel the need to talk about how atheists are wrong and stupid and then on top of that turn around & act like I was engaging in an intellectual critique of atheism. "Stupid fuck, annoying douchebag proselytizer" Very nice, this is your idea of an "intellectual debate"?

Aside from that, you are being dishonest about what I said to suit your worthless arguments. What I said was:



Go ahead, find me a scholar of Arabic who disagrees.
I also never said Arabic was the most beautiful language ever. I said it was considerably more complex and nuanced than any Germanic language. This is something which anyone with even a passing knowledge of linguistics could tell you. Fair enough there. I stand corrected, forgot what you had said.

You are not only intellectually lazy, you are intellectually dishonest. Completely unfair...

No, you are off-base about this assumption. I called you a Hitchensbot, I don't even know how you could begin to draw that conclusion. Though your values are almost certainly influenced to some extent by European culture, and that in turn is white and strongly influenced by Christian values and teachings. I am not a "Hitchensbot"... Again, I can only reference that one can admire another's intellect and still disagree with them. I think William F. Buckley was one of the most dangerous scumbags of the 20th century, but he was also incredibly smart. You, of course, are above influence. Every thought in your head was put there by you. Your viewpoints are in no way common. I get it, I see how utterly special and superior you are.



I didn't say you hated anyone for being any religion. FWIW arguing a point that hasn't been made and/or trying to change the substance of the point that was made to something easier to refute doesn't make you appear to be more effective in debate.
Come on now, who is being lazy? to quote you: 'But again, criticizing Judaism or criticizing Israel are entirely different than making fun of or hating on someone for being Jewish. Would you be ok with the latter?"
Now unless you were "arguing a point that hasn't been made" , it appears crystal there from the above that you were saying that I either A) Hate people for being Muslim/Jewish/Christian/Hindu, etc or B) Condone that hatred ... so you are 100% wrong with your assertion that I attempted to argue a point that hasn't been made... not that you will admit this EVER



First, you claimed that Hatton wasn't womanly. Then you acknowledge that he is womanly, but that's OK because he's not being womanly in the ring. And it would be OK for me to criticize him for being womanly in the ring, but it's wrong to make cracks about him acting womanly in another context. Yeah, you're not logically inconsistent or anything. I never once acknowledged that Hatton is "womanly" ... I acknowledged that from a highly technical, biological standpoint one could argue that... but that would only be if one were enough of a moron to actually believe that you were attempting to make "scientific" critique of the guy, which you absolutely were not... also, it would appear that this particular scientific info is appealing to you based on your core beliefs in the inferiority of females (see what I did there? that's your style of debate, assume away)
...essentially what started this ENTIRE THING is some jocular assuming of the idea that because you are a Muslim, you are probably a bit sexist... because you are not exactly the most easy going sort, you got real mad and here we are 90 posts later

Re: Floyd Jr weeping after destroying overmatched opponents, you suck at reading... What is the difference between tears of joy and tears of sorrow exactly? and why do you seem to imply that the former is more noble than the latter? And you never criticised Floyd's CRYING, that was the point

loadedgloves
10-06-2011, 03:21 PM
You can think someone is a brilliant guy and still disagree with him, vehemently at times. Do you agree with every word said by people whom you think are very bright? Is it your position that because I'd admire Hitchens' intellect and ability to debate that it means I agree with everything he says? For one enormous example, I think he's positively dead wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan, I think he is positively wrong on matters of women as well.

Generally when one disagrees with significant aspects of a person's approach or doctrine, they don't express or agree with unqualified admiration for the individual in question. eg, your comment about William F Buckley (who had a thesaurus and a ridiculous trans-Atlantic accent, but at the end of the day was still a tool whose writings are filled with laughable errors).





Secular Humanist is a vague label and nothing more... It is like saying someone is a "Socialist", well what TYPE of socialist?, etc. ... You are still completely stabbing in the dark with this... you keep saying that I conform to specific beliefs and do not question them, yet you have no evidence of this at all. NONE.

First of all



Secular humanist, probably among others. But that's irrelevant - my point and issue is not with you being part of a cohesive group or identifiable as such

Secondly, why would it matter that it's a relatively vague label? Most labels such as that are. You have no problem drawing conclusions about my beliefs and the motives of my beliefs because I'm Muslim, yet I would say there is at least as much of a spectrum of belief associated with being Muslim as there is with being secular humanist.

But then again, like I said, that's irrelevant.

Re: beliefs you have that you never think about or question, "crying isn't feminine" is one, I'll provide another later here.





Also, I find it highly amusing to see you, a religious man who is positive that there is such a thing as god and that he personally communicated with one man 1400 years ago, is sitting here preaching about "basic science" ... what exactly in "Basic Science" supports that being likely?

Aside from the fact that there are many aspects of Islamic practice which have been validated by contemporary science, nothing about my beliefs contradicts "basic science" or vice versa.



Because I refuse to believe for a single second that you were merely making a "scientific" observation about Hatton, that means I don't FULLY UNDERSTAND what you were trying to say as a defense? Here's a newsflash for you, man, other people read too. You aren't the only one. If you think the information you provided regarding estrogen levels, alchohol, situational vs major depression, etc. is some INCREDIBLE BOMBSHELL that I was totally unaware of, you are an arrogant, presumptuous twit...


Regardless of whether or not my intention was to make a scientific claim, your issue was with the correctness of my statement. Anyone can go back a couple of pages and read that, no matter how much you try to change it to "well, the problem is that you were trying to insult Hatton."

Your other initial contention was that my statement to Irish was hypocritical in light of my post calling Hatton emo, but apparently even you were able to recognize the fallacy of that claim once an explanation was laid out to you in a manner which your inferior mind could more easily process.

Anyway, if the insult is accurate, why would you take such issue with it?

Secondly, I'm actually 100% certain you were completely unaware of the facts I stated prior to reading it here, that's not based on my arrogance but rather the ignorant statements made by you prior to my backing up what I said. That has more to do with how informed you show yourself to be than how esoteric these facts are. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if you still don't fully understand them.



Ideals do not trump science for me with regards to gender relations... You have nothing to support that other than the fact that I called bullshit on your rationalization of your comments regarding Hatton, because it was absolute nonsense. Crying = Faggotry to you, it's as simple as that. Stop trying to intellectualize it just because several people thought it was a prickish position to take.

Well, let's see.. how about with regards to monogyny? Humans are sexually dimorphous mammals - men having larger bodies and brains - and thus according to biology, we are polygynous creatures. You argued in the past that it shouldn't be difficult to believe that any guy would be happy having sex with one woman for the rest of his life; aside from your own personal delusions and/or lack of libido, a more correct statement from an actual biological perspective would be that it is difficult to believe any male with a healthy libido COULD be happy having sex with one woman for the rest of his life.

I like the subtle appeal to authority argument you used there, btw. Made me chuckle. I feel like I'm talking to a 4th grader.



I'm not interested in delving deep into whatever makes Irish tick, as I don't really know the man. All I can say is that I have never gotten the impression that he is truly any of those things

Of course, you've already shown that your ability to discern information from what you read is lacking.



(particularly nationalistic, as he seldom ever talks about Ireland, unless it's a critical position) ... Like I said, I think one should be very careful before jumping to conclude that a guy is a racist or especially a "white supremacist" , especially if theyre basing it off of discussions primarily regarding boxing. I think it is more obvious that he is a reactionary of sorts, particularly to anything media-related, no matter what the topic is (see the "Premiere League" threads for evidence, there's not a bit in there that I think anyone would construe as racist... but there is an undeniable issue with all things media... in boxing, it just so happens that race is often made an issue on many fronts, including those in the media... The litmus test of racism to me would be if the individual believes that his particular skin color or ehtnic origin should afford him a deserved higher quality of life than people who are not of like him... I don't know that you could accurately say that about him and I certainly don't see much evidence to support going anywhere near that far. "Nazi" is a vulgar, damning label to put on a guy with the scant evidence you have which is why the analogy of "Taliban" is perfectly legit... It would be insane for me to call you that simply because you are a devout muslim.

I'm sure Irish appreciates the apologia on his behalf. Surely now he'll recognize your worth and agree to marry you.

It is pretty amusing to watch you, a wannabe progressive, bend over backwards to excuse someone who is not only acknowledged by many on this forum as being racist (see, I can do it too!) but has actually been banned from forums (including this one AFAIK) for racist comments in the past.

loadedgloves
10-06-2011, 03:21 PM
The reason it was brought up, and it seemed obvious to me it was meant to poke you a bit, was that your viewpoint of Hatton had some shades of misogony which, like it or not, is associated by many people with Islam. As for schooling me, I have a feeling from talking to you here that you are so incredibly arrogant and cocksure that you wouldn't know if someone had made a valid counter-argument anyway.

Uh, Irish's statement was this:


It is, in the hardcore Muslim world, where men NEVER commit suicide and none of the men ever cry or lose check of their emotions. :laughing:

That has nothing to do with misogyny, it's fairly clear he's making a sarcastic point about Muslim men committing suicide (likely specifically related to suicide bombings) and/or crying/losing check of their emotions.

Are you really so oblivious that you believe Irish is a feminist, or has never made comments along the lines of what I said about Hatton in the past?



You stupid fuck. I have never brought up anything about my religion specifically even once on this forum here. It is ALWAYS, ALWAYS Irish who brings up my religion. I merely defended my religion when it was brought up by others. Unlike you, I am not a classically annoying rabid douchebag proselytizer of my beliefs. If another poster mocked you for being an atheist or mocked atheists in reference to you, I wouldn't feel the need to talk about how atheists are wrong and stupid and then on top of that turn around & act like I was engaging in an intellectual critique of atheism. "Stupid fuck, annoying douchebag proselytizer" Very nice, this is your idea of an "intellectual debate"?

So you can't use the "wahh, ad hominem attack" tack to avoid the point I made, let me restate it for you with polite language:

"I have never brought up anything about my religion specifically even once on this forum here. It is ALWAYS, ALWAYS Irish who brings up my religion. I merely defended my religion when it was brought up by others. Unlike you, I am not a relentless proselytizer of my beliefs. If another poster mocked you for being an atheist or mocked atheists in reference to you, I wouldn't feel the need to talk about how atheists are wrong and stupid and then on top of that turn around & act like I was engaging in an intellectual critique of atheism."

Now that you have nothing to cry about, I think you can concede my point is correct and that you were being a dumbass.


Aside from that, you are being dishonest about what I said to suit your worthless arguments. What I said was:







Come on now, who is being lazy? to quote you: 'But again, criticizing Judaism or criticizing Israel are entirely different than making fun of or hating on someone for being Jewish. Would you be ok with the latter?"

Now unless you were "arguing a point that hasn't been made" , it appears crystal there from the above that you were saying that I either A) Hate people for being Muslim/Jewish/Christian/Hindu, etc or B) Condone that hatred ... so you are 100% wrong with your assertion that I attempted to argue a point that hasn't been made... not that you will admit this EVER[/B]


Sorry to burst your bubble, but first of all I was referring to you being OK with Irish doing that, not you doing it yourself - see



I suspect if I were Jewish and Irish was engaging in this same behavior, you would be considerably less comfortable with it (though maybe if it came from him, you would find a way to justify it).


Secondly, your point would be invalid either way, to anyone who is capable of recognizing the difference between "hating someone" and "hating on someone" in the vernacular.



First, you claimed that Hatton wasn't womanly. Then you acknowledge that he is womanly, but that's OK because he's not being womanly in the ring. And it would be OK for me to criticize him for being womanly in the ring, but it's wrong to make cracks about him acting womanly in another context. Yeah, you're not logically inconsistent or anything. I never once acknowledged that Hatton is "womanly" ... I acknowledged that from a highly technical, biological standpoint one could argue that... but that would only be if one were enough of a moron to actually believe that you were attempting to make "scientific" critique of the guy, which you absolutely were not... also, it would appear that this particular scientific info is appealing to you based on your core beliefs in the inferiority of females (see what I did there? that's your style of debate, assume away)
...essentially what started this ENTIRE THING is some jocular assuming of the idea that because you are a Muslim, you are probably a bit sexist... because you are not exactly the most easy going sort, you got real mad and here we are 90 posts later


Addressed all of this above



Re: Floyd Jr weeping after destroying overmatched opponents, you suck at reading... What is the difference between tears of joy and tears of sorrow exactly? and why do you seem to imply that the former is more noble than the latter? And you never criticised Floyd's CRYING, that was the point

The difference between crying incessantly out of self-pity and crying once out of joy are readily apparent to me, I could go into them at a deeper level but it's really neither here nor there to me. I don't see it as the same, but if you want to call Floyd a fag or a woman or whatever for it, go ahead, I could really give a fuck less. I'm not going to say, make fun of you for your beliefs over it or anything.

Destruction and Mayhem
10-06-2011, 03:26 PM
:popcorn:

Irish 2002/2003
10-06-2011, 03:33 PM
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cdogg187
10-06-2011, 03:37 PM
Your entire argumentative style consists of putting words in my mouth (i.e. "you said that crying isn't feminine") and then challenging them

It's ridiculous.

All I can tell you is that if you were 1/100 as bright as you clearly believe yourself to be, you would have died yesterday at the age of 56

You will gladly sit here for the next 10 years and debate this issue

At the end of the day, here's where it is at:

Anybody who thinks that a person who feels sad and has a cry or two after suffering a difficult setback in life is weak and faggy is an asshole. And yes, a multi-millionaire is entitled to to feel blue and shed a tear.

Now, fuck off back to admiring the smell of your own farts

Destruction and Mayhem
10-06-2011, 03:38 PM
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loadedgloves
10-06-2011, 03:43 PM
Your entire argumentative style consists of putting words in my mouth (i.e. "you said that crying isn't feminine") and then challenging them

It's ridiculous.

All I can tell you is that if you were 1/100 as bright as you clearly believe yourself to be, you would have died yesterday at the age of 56

You will gladly sit here for the next 10 years and debate this issue

At the end of the day, here's where it is at:

Anybody who thinks that a person who feels sad and has a cry or two after suffering a difficult setback in life is weak and faggy is an asshole. And yes, a multi-millionaire is entitled to to feel blue and shed a tear.

Now, fuck off back to admiring the smell of your own farts

Nah, I would've gotten bored of making you look stupid sooner or later.

Also, there are a lot of people in this world who are much more intelligent than Steve Jobs (Woz being one of them)

cdogg187
10-06-2011, 03:44 PM
Nah, I would've gotten bored of making you look stupid sooner or later.

Also, there are a lot of people in this world who are much more intelligent than Steve Jobs (Woz being one of them)
Hard to get bored of something when you haven't started doing it

Yes and Steve Jobs was much more intelligent than you, that's the point

Irish 2002/2003
10-06-2011, 03:45 PM
Your entire argumentative style consists of putting words in my mouth (i.e. "you said that crying isn't feminine") and then challenging them

It's ridiculous.

All I can tell you is that if you were 1/100 as bright as you clearly believe yourself to be, you would have died yesterday at the age of 56

You will gladly sit here for the next 10 years and debate this issue

At the end of the day, here's where it is at:

Anybody who thinks that a person who feels sad and has a cry or two after suffering a difficult setback in life is weak and faggy is an asshole. And yes, a multi-millionaire is entitled to to feel blue and shed a tear.

Now, fuck off back to admiring the smell of your own farts


I figured this guy to be 15, 16 years old at best.

Irish 2002/2003
10-06-2011, 03:46 PM
Nah, I would've gotten bored of making you look stupid sooner or later.

Also, there are a lot of people in this world who are much more intelligent than Steve Jobs (Woz being one of them)

The tennis player??:34:

loadedgloves
10-06-2011, 03:49 PM
Hard to get bored of something when you haven't started doing it

Yes and Steve Jobs was much more intelligent than you, that's the point

How could you possibly know that?

And even if that were the case, why would you believe someone who you perceive as being so arrogant assign themselves the exact intelligence level of Steve Jobs, when there are objectively far more intelligent people in this world?

That was a pretty retarded attempt at an insult.

cdogg187
10-06-2011, 03:50 PM
How could you possibly know that?

And even if that were the case, why would you believe someone who you perceive as being so arrogant assign themselves the exact intelligence level of Steve Jobs, when there are objectively far more intelligent people in this world?

That was a pretty retarded attempt at an insult.
By reading what you type

loadedgloves
10-06-2011, 03:57 PM
By reading what you type

Let me explain more clearly for you: even if you believed me to be unintelligent, how do you know Steve Jobs is more intelligent than I am? And if I am unintelligent, but imagine myself to be hyper-intelligent, why would I only believe myself to be as intelligent as Steve Jobs, who hasn't really demonstrated any great intelligence relative to men like Steve Wozniak, Noam Chomsky, et al?

This is without getting into whether a hopeless dumbfuck like yourself is qualified to judge anyone's intelligence..

cdogg187
10-06-2011, 04:08 PM
Let me explain more clearly for you: even if you believed me to be unintelligent, how do you know Steve Jobs is more intelligent than I am? And if I am unintelligent, but imagine myself to be hyper-intelligent, why would I only believe myself to be as intelligent as Steve Jobs, who hasn't really demonstrated any great intelligence relative to men like Steve Wozniak, Noam Chomsky, et al?

This is without getting into whether a hopeless dumbfuck like yourself is qualified to judge anyone's intelligence..

I didn't say you were "unintelligent", Mr. "you aren't able to discern information from what you read"; I merely said you aren't anywhere near the intellectual titan you seem to believe yourself to be, judging by your enormously condescending rhetoric and your numerous assertions implying that you are qualified to judge MY intellect (i.e. dumbfuck, stupid, etc.).

Steve Jobs was pretty obviously a brilliant guy. You don't conceptualize the things that he did unless you have a very unique gift. But I imagine you have a very rigid definition of smart.

whiskey
10-06-2011, 04:31 PM
I didn't say you were "unintelligent", Mr. "you aren't able to discern information from what you read"; I merely said you aren't anywhere near the intellectual titan you seem to believe yourself to be, judging by your enormously condescending rhetoric and your numerous assertions implying that you are qualified to judge MY intellect (i.e. dumbfuck, stupid, etc.).

Steve Jobs was pretty obviously a brilliant guy. You don't conceptualize the things that he did unless you have a very unique gift. But I imagine you have a very rigid definition of smart.

Well Jobs sure as hell aint no Bashshar Al 'Amjad Makrat Muhammad Fakhir Husan Al 'Delal.

loadedgloves
10-06-2011, 05:48 PM
I didn't say you were "unintelligent", Mr. "you aren't able to discern information from what you read"; I merely said you aren't anywhere near the intellectual titan you seem to believe yourself to be, judging by your enormously condescending rhetoric and your numerous assertions implying that you are qualified to judge MY intellect (i.e. dumbfuck, stupid, etc.).

Steve Jobs was pretty obviously a brilliant guy. You don't conceptualize the things that he did unless you have a very unique gift. But I imagine you have a very rigid definition of smart.

You used the fraction 1/100th, actually. By any method of quantifying intelligence, including imagined ones, someone who is 1/100th as intelligent as Steve Jobs would qualify as "unintelligent" as best.

What exactly did Steve Jobs conceptualize that led you to believe he had a very unique gift?

loadedgloves
10-06-2011, 05:49 PM
Well Jobs sure as hell aint no Bashshar Al 'Amjad Makrat Muhammad Fakhir Husan Al 'Delal.

His dad's name would probably sound a lot like that to you, actually

also, "LOOL FUNNY SOUNDING NAME THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM EUROPEAN SOUNDING NAMES!! HAHAHA"

whiskey
10-06-2011, 05:57 PM
His dad's name would probably sound a lot like that to you, actually

also, "LOOL FUNNY SOUNDING NAME THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM EUROPEAN SOUNDING NAMES!! HAHAHA"

It would be indeed more funny if one could hear it and not just see it written.

Irish 2002/2003
10-06-2011, 06:49 PM
Well Jobs sure as hell aint no Bashshar Al 'Amjad Makrat Muhammad Fakhir Husan Al 'Delal.

:truce:

mikE
10-06-2011, 06:50 PM
PBF didn't get any sympathy when he started balling after the Gatti fight. Why should Hatton? Not to mention, I doubt Hatton wants any sympathy. And whatever changes he's made in his life, I doubt he did it for the public, but for himself and his family.

Nothing in the OP indicates that Hatton is looking for any sympathy. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I think he is just telling his story so that people understand a little more about how dangerous depression is.

Hitman
10-06-2011, 06:54 PM
that's pretty demoralizing. imagine getting crushed by someone at the thing you do better than anything else in the world.

cdogg187
10-06-2011, 10:02 PM
You used the fraction 1/100th, actually. By any method of quantifying intelligence, including imagined ones, someone who is 1/100th as intelligent as Steve Jobs would qualify as "unintelligent" as best.

What exactly did Steve Jobs conceptualize that led you to believe he had a very unique gift?

he was probably the most brilliant marketer of our time... if you think there is no intelligence involved in that, you're flat out wrong

cdogg187
10-06-2011, 10:05 PM
His dad's name would probably sound a lot like that to you, actually

also, "LOOL FUNNY SOUNDING NAME THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM EUROPEAN SOUNDING NAMES!! HAHAHA"
you must have missed the thread where four different people were having a ball typing out phonetic mock-Dutch accents... but you are right, we are all racists singling out all non-european peoples for scorn (since all europeans are exactly the same... after all, Italian names sound exactly like Scottish names)

loadedgloves
10-07-2011, 01:35 AM
he was probably the most brilliant marketer of our time... if you think there is no intelligence involved in that, you're flat out wrong

I'd say Philip Schiller is probably a far more brilliant marketer than Steve Jobs.

So.. what exactly did Jobs conceptualize that led you to believe he had "a very unique gift?"

loadedgloves
10-07-2011, 01:41 AM
you must have missed the thread where four different people were having a ball typing out phonetic mock-Dutch accents... but you are right, we are all racists singling out all non-european peoples for scorn (since all europeans are exactly the same... after all, Italian names sound exactly like Scottish names)

I did miss that thread. Was that done in the name of mocking someone for being Dutch, instigated by someone who is constantly making negative and bigoted comments toward the Dutch and their culture?

Let me resist the temptation to be sarcastic in the face of your stupidity, and ask you if you honestly think the Dutch can be compared to a targeted minority that regularly faces discrimination in our hemisphere. If a bunch of people here started typing out phonetic mock-Black accents while giving REED shit, would you consider that to be just as OK as typing out mock Dutch accents?

Finally, where did I say that all Europeans are the same or that all European names sound alike?

cdogg187
10-07-2011, 12:17 PM
I did miss that thread. Was that done in the name of mocking someone for being Dutch, instigated by someone who is constantly making negative and bigoted comments toward the Dutch and their culture?

Let me resist the temptation to be sarcastic in the face of your stupidity, and ask you if you honestly think the Dutch can be compared to a targeted minority that regularly faces discrimination in our hemisphere. If a bunch of people here started typing out phonetic mock-Black accents while giving REED shit, would you consider that to be just as OK as typing out mock Dutch accents?

Finally, where did I say that all Europeans are the same or that all European names sound alike?

there are far more muslims on earth than there are dutch people

cdogg187
10-07-2011, 12:18 PM
I'd say Philip Schiller is probably a far more brilliant marketer than Steve Jobs.

So.. what exactly did Jobs conceptualize that led you to believe he had "a very unique gift?"
he made millions of people believe that they needed various products that they didn't actually need... pure marketing, he was great at it

cdogg187
10-07-2011, 12:21 PM
and no one would ever give REED shit, because he's a great guy

oddly enough, one of the only people I saw target REED was YOU

Irish 2002/2003
10-07-2011, 05:02 PM
http://www.ifc.com/news/04092010_SeanPennColors.jpg

loadedgloves
10-07-2011, 05:18 PM
there are far more muslims on earth than there are dutch people

You're being deliberately obtuse.. though I might be giving you too much credit in assuming it's deliberate. The Dutch are not a minority that is often targeted for discrimination in the West.



he made millions of people believe that they needed various products that they didn't actually need... pure marketing, he was great at it


Right. Do you know who Philip Schiller is?

And.. what did he conceptualize, again?



and no one would ever give REED shit, because he's a great guy

oddly enough, one of the only people I saw target REED was YOU

Another completely stupid non-sequitur that entirely evades the point I was making. Who gives a shit if REED is a great guy or anyone would give him shit, wtf does that have to do with anything? Would the scenario I described be more OK if you didn't know him or if he was an asshole?

You are terrible at critical thinking.

Irish 2002/2003
10-07-2011, 05:20 PM
You are terrible at critical thinking.

I think critically of circumcised pricks like you, and I am fucking brilliant at it.

loadedgloves
10-07-2011, 05:36 PM
I think critically of circumcised pricks like you, and I am fucking brilliant at it.

Your plays-on-words are some seriously corny & lame 3rd grade shit. It amuses me to no end that you find yourself clever.

Irish 2002/2003
10-07-2011, 06:06 PM
Your plays-on-words are some seriously corny & lame 3rd grade shit. It amuses me to no end that you find yourself clever.

I would fuck you up, Pacman.

cdogg187
10-07-2011, 07:31 PM
You're being deliberately obtuse.. though I might be giving you too much credit in assuming it's deliberate. The Dutch are not a minority that is often targeted for discrimination in the West.



Right. Do you know who Philip Schiller is?

And.. what did he conceptualize, again?



Another completely stupid non-sequitur that entirely evades the point I was making. Who gives a shit if REED is a great guy or anyone would give him shit, wtf does that have to do with anything? Would the scenario I described be more OK if you didn't know him or if he was an asshole?

You are terrible at critical thinking.
steve jobs was a dumb, unimaginitave hack who had nothing to do with the success of Apple and you are a brilliant intellectual giant

All white people hate Muslims because most of them are not white

Anyone who criticizes Islam is an imperialist and also white

Your being picked on a bit has nothing to do with your being a condescending, entirely unpleasant poster with no sense of humor

I got it, I understand what your positions are. Say no more.

Hut*Hut
10-07-2011, 07:40 PM
loadedgloves, this isn't meant as a dig but you have a tendency to be rather po faced and aspergic. Chill out & relax into it a bit, my man. The river leads to the ocean, kumbaya.

cdogg187
10-07-2011, 08:35 PM
loadedgloves, this isn't meant as a dig but you have a tendency to be rather po faced and aspergic. Chill out & relax into it a bit, my man. The river leads to the ocean, kumbaya.
you've done it now

prepare to be called stupid in a dozen different ways

Hut*Hut
10-08-2011, 07:41 AM
you've done it now

prepare to be called stupid in a dozen different ways

I don't mind. loadedgloves is cool, he just seems to get uptight sometimes. Maybe he has a high pressure job. He's left wing and a Roberto Duran fan so he's good in my book.

Irish 2002/2003
10-08-2011, 05:40 PM
I don't mind. loadedgloves is cool, he just seems to get uptight sometimes. Maybe he has a high pressure job. He's left wing and a Roberto Duran fan so he's good in my book.

He's a cunt. Put that in your book.

loadedgloves
10-10-2011, 11:58 PM
steve jobs was a dumb, unimaginitave hack who had nothing to do with the success of Apple and you are a brilliant intellectual giant

All white people hate Muslims because most of them are not white

Anyone who criticizes Islam is an imperialist and also white

Your being picked on a bit has nothing to do with your being a condescending, entirely unpleasant poster with no sense of humor

I got it, I understand what your positions are. Say no more.

None of those statements accurately reflect my statements or opinions, but I guess childish mischaracterization is really all you've got left at this point.

Hut - I love you too :cheers: Honestly, I'm perfectly relaxed.. I think if you could see me physically typing out my posts, you'd understand what I mean :P

Irish 2002/2003
10-11-2011, 12:00 AM
None of those statements accurately reflect my statements or opinions, but I guess childish mischaracterization is really all you've got left at this point.

Hut - I love you too :cheers: Honestly, I'm perfectly relaxed.. I think if you could see me physically typing out my posts, you'd understand what I mean :P

Is there any other way to type out posts???

KaukipRrr
10-11-2011, 02:12 AM
Is there any other way to type out posts???

I know you're at it tit for tats,... but the Murdoch empire has been successful at the behest of Isreal, American conservatives/ big business and the interlinked western world in poisoning minds relentlessly for years and years and years and years,... this is in an entirely different league to bias against undesireable Europeans in boxing, petty infact, to such a very serious extent that I can't possibly blame Loadedgloves for lashing out and even carrying an agenda over to particular fighters, If I were to empathise with him, I'd be pretty tortured myself and swinging away at anything. They're being mass murdered, muslims have been fucken destroyed by psycopathic poison protected by "Free speech" to the uttermost vicious extremes and it continues helplessly without them having a friend in the world.

cdogg187
10-11-2011, 07:49 AM
None of those statements accurately reflect my statements or opinions, but I guess childish mischaracterization is really all you've got left at this point.

Hut - I love you too :cheers: Honestly, I'm perfectly relaxed.. I think if you could see me physically typing out my posts, you'd understand what I mean :P
I just find the whole thing exasperating and boring

You aren't listening to me at all and you have been mischaracterizing me the whole time

KaukipRrr
10-11-2011, 11:01 AM
I just find the whole thing exasperating and boring

You aren't listening to me at all and you have been mischaracterizing me the whole time

Now you know what it's like to be a muslim you nordicist bastard.

cdogg187
10-11-2011, 01:41 PM
Now you know what it's like to be a muslim you nordicist bastard.
:lol:

I am not Nordic, you crazy fuck