UFC 214 | Sat Jul 29, 2017 | Cormier vs Jones 2

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  1. Rich ´Money´ Mustard

    Rich ´Money´ Mustard DIE!

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    This is the problem though: Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu isn´t a terribly exciting martal-art/combat sport - everyone knows this.
    It is however, one of the most effective.

    At least Maia tried to be offensive and go for the takedowns. If he was an amateur, Woodley would´ve shut him off.
    Woodley, however, who has fuckin TNT in his fists didnt even try and take Maia out....he just tried to avoid being taken down and choked-out.
    That´s even worse.

    Maia intiated a majority of the striking exchanges.
    He took risks be initiating against a known counter fighter with one-shot power.
    He took risks by repeadly closing distance on a physically superior man.

    Woodley is a clear and firm believer in "You have to beat the champ to be the champ" he's never going to through caution to the wind and put himself in danger, he likes the money that being the champ brings far too much, and for good reason.
    He made over half a million from this fight plus PPV points.
    This is what Woodley is - even before the belt he was a defensive first fighter who focused on stopping his opponents rather than generating his own offense. But when he was a challenger he went after it more.
     
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  2. mw314159

    mw314159 Undisputed Champion

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    Another example of where Marquardt would have been a better champion. He would have been if Anderson wasn't there at the time. He didn't waste time standing around or look boring at all when he knocked out out Woodley and Maia.

    Woodley has legit one punch knockout power. He just hasn't gone for it and committed to it at all since he beat Robbie Lawler.
     
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    mw314159 Undisputed Champion

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    Maia is a great fighter when he can get it to the ground. He might be the p4p best in the world at jiu jitsu in MMA. He looks awful when he can't get the takedown. It has only happened a few times in his career.
     
  4. Rich ´Money´ Mustard

    Rich ´Money´ Mustard DIE!

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    Because he likes the money and wants the money.
    Greedy cunt.

    Dont blame him, though....lol
     
  5. Rich ´Money´ Mustard

    Rich ´Money´ Mustard DIE!

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    Maia was trying to win the fight. He failed everything he attempted to do but you can't blame the guy for not attempting everything he has the tools to accomplish.

    Woodley did what he does every fight: stand back to try to connect his right through a counter attack.
    He sometimes risks take-downs but that didnt happen vs Maia.
    Woodley is the boring champ and there is no mystery why.
    It´s like watching a guy with Mike Tyson power trying to fight with Lennox Lewis mentality against Ray Mercer...

    Woodley doesnt add much in terms of skill to the game, hes just in turtle mode the entire fight waiting a chance to land a right hand. If Maia hadnt gone forward he would not get hurt, cause Woodley´s 'attacks' are predictable and a 50 year old fighter raising his left hand would avoid them all.


    This is what the uneducated of you don´t or can´t understand....
     
  6. KaukipRrr

    KaukipRrr "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    World class muay thai? oh no no no, infact the weaker and sloppier the push-kick the better,... it might've temped Woodley to grab it and take him down on instinct, but had Maia squealing with joy and snap ratcheting a body triangle on impact, or, maybe the push-kick could've baited Woodley to overextend with a counter into Maia's loving embrace,..? .. or he could've stolen enough rounds outright, ^ just by doing this kind of thing you do when you tease the dog under the table. :emoji_deer:
     
  7. REEDsART

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    Yeah, but there were Other Guys in the Cage w/Him, During Those Fights...

    REED Doesn't Get Why ALL the Blame is Being Heaped on Woodley...& Dana Bitches as if HE Could Get in There and Perform Better Himself...





    REED:cool:
     
  8. Rich ´Money´ Mustard

    Rich ´Money´ Mustard DIE!

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    Simple.
    I´ve just explained why above...
     
  9. mw314159

    mw314159 Undisputed Champion

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    I have to admit I was rooting for Wonderboy and Maia in Woodley's last 3 fights. Woodley won, obviously. Woodley is the best in the world right now at welterweight. He just seems like he could have finished his last 3 fights easily if he had gone for it instead of playing it safe and waiting for the decision win.
     
  10. KaukipRrr

    KaukipRrr "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Yeah but, there was still a mitten on a spring that could've popped out of Maia's knee sporadically.

    RRRRRR....m'gunna have to watch this fucking fight..^ just to back up my half arsed post.

    :emoji_disappointed_relieved:
     
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    mw314159 Undisputed Champion

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    I don't blame Maia for a boring fight. He did the best he could. He beats almost everyone in the world with his fighting style. He's only found a few guys in the world who can defend against that style of fighting.
     
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    What You Stated Basically Amounted to Woodley NOT Going for the Kill...

    But That's Just It, Even if You Hurt and/or Drop a Guy Like Maia (Which Happened a Time or 3) You're Playing to HIS Strengths by Following Up w/Some G&P Attempts...

    REED Thinks it's the STYLE of Woodley's Last 2 Opponents More than Him Personally Going OUT of his Way to Be Boring...Like Dude has Stated a Hundred Times, You CAN'T Find Sparring to Effectively Replicate WonderBoy...

    Nonetheless, Woodley's Striking TAMED Wonderboy in the 1st Fight and BOTH Men were @ Fault for Stinking Up the RE...And as Someone Stated Earlier in this Thread, Maia was Able to Make an ANDERSONfuckingSILVA Fight Boring...

    Yet, Woodley's STILL Getting All the Blame...




    REED:cool:
     
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    Again, REED Attributes that to the Opponents, Specifically...

    If Guys Want to Sit There and Throw BOMBS, as Lawler Did, Woodley's More than Willing to Engage...

    Dana COULDN'T Have Matched Woodley w/2 WORSE Styles, Yet he's Bitching about the Results...





    REED:cool:
     
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    1st of All, REED has NOfuckingCLUE Why You Keep Referencing and Posting Pics of Lizards...That Shit's Flying Right OVER REED's Head, Bruh...

    2nd, your Point about "Mandatories" Isn't Valid Because Dana was ON RECORD Stating GSP Would Get the Next Welterweight Title Shot, UNTIL Woodley Beat Maia, That Is...

    Now, he's Aiming for GSP-Bisping Again...Last Time REED Checked, GSP WASN'T the Mandatory @ 170 OR 185...





    REED:cool:
     
  15. mw314159

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    GSP should be the automatic mandatory #1 if he decides to come back. He was the greatest of all time at welterweight despite his boring style. GSP should get an automatic title shot at welterweight or middleweight if he decides to come back.
     
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    Maia has a style that's hard to look good against. Thompson has a crazy karate style that's hard to defend against. Woodley showed that his speed and power can nullify that. He just didn't let his hands go and actually try for the knockout when he could have.
     
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    REED Only Brought Up GSP to Refute Kauki's Point that it's Mere CHANCE that's Placed Wonderboy and Maia into the Cage w/Woodley, in Consecutive Fights...

    Obviously, GSP's EARNED the Right to Come Out of Retirement and Go STRAIGHT to a Title Shot, Regardless of Division...

    REED's Point is, Dana Picks and Chooses who he WANTs to Get Title Shots, Regardless of Any Pre-Set Rankings...




    REED:cool:
     
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    In Fairness, Woodley Nearly KO'ed Wonderboy on @ Least 2 Occasions, their 1st Fight...

    But Despite his Face Being Busted the Hell Up, Wonderboy Proved to Be DURABLE as Fuck...It WASN'T for Lack of Trying on Woodley's Behalf, Wonderboy Just Proved to Be a TOUGH Ass Nut to Crack...

    More Importantly, The 1st Wonderboy Fight WASN'T Boring...





    REED:cool:
     
  19. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    these other guys aren't champions though (but they do deserve, obvioulsy, some of the blame), so I guess that's why White is so ''hard'' on him
     
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    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    BJJ is now in the weird spot that everybodies has to know it if they want to be successfull in MMA, but hardly anyone wins because of it (at least at the elite level)
     
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    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Agreed, up to a certain extent, that Maia did try in this fight. He was just outgunned and uncreative, but he was the one initiating the action and getting busted up. Still made for a fucking terrible fight
     
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    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Lol at GSP. The guy is not coming back. He has severe anxiety issues
     
  23. KaukipRrr

    KaukipRrr "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Reed please, 'chance' ???,.. It's hard to argue against the merits of giving Thompson and Maia a shot, they earned it legitimately,..my point from the very beginning was that fighting mandatory challengers is not a PLOT to have him beat, it's expected of everybody...........well, everybody who hasn't got the UFC by the balls that is ...(McGregor).
    The crux of your argument is starting to remind me of the 'Money-Mayweather' era years ago,.. where we roar with gutsy passion about Tyron's persuit of the biggest, sleaziest, multi-billion trillion dollar payday, and celebrate wildly if he manages to accomplish it. I wouldn't worry, he's got himself a shiny red sports car and flashes handfuls of jewelry regularly,.. the problem I believe, is a very.........curious,.....institutionalized?,......American.... concern......regular citizens tend to have for it's wealthy,...a charming, empathy :confused: of sorts...

    ...that's why you slapped the lizard out of my hands,.... not one for a peasant's offering.
     
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  24. Dog Jones

    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    So he'll go to Bellator
     
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    It's because Maia is a one trick pony.
     
  26. Rich ´Money´ Mustard

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    Exactly.
    I´ve rewatched the fight (for my sins) and I´ll state that although Maia presed the action with his takedown attempts, he didnt do much else in the way of kicks (in fact I dont think he threw one), so the occasional jab-straight-right and the regularity shoot > half-guard > double-underhooks > full mount...didnt work whatsoever here.

    However, Woodley is a beast at avoiding this.
    Maybe someone like a high-caliber wrestler would have better chance?
     
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    Yes. Woodley has trouble with other high caliber wrestlers.
     
  28. KaukipRrr

    KaukipRrr "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Ahhhh, come to papa! ...:emoji_hugging: see, sometimes people who don't even watch the fight are more accurate in their analysis. :emoji_ok_hand:

    A blind master swordsman.
     
  29. Rich ´Money´ Mustard

    Rich ´Money´ Mustard DIE!

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    Fixed.
    Hummmmm.

    And anyway, what is it about Australians and 'Jeff's'? :emoji_thinking:
     
  30. KaukipRrr

    KaukipRrr "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    As I told the oiyrishman,.. 'special regenerative abilities mate' ..the spirit of Austraya, to beat our Jeff, you've got to sever his ties to the homeland, or else he's way, way, way too frisky.
     

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