Spence splits with Derrick James

This one I figured was coming. Not sure how much it matters at this point. I don't think Spence's career is lasting much longer, no matter who trains him.

 

I don’t see a new trainer changing anything. Errol got the most out of his talent, I think. I don’t think not having the accident or eye surgery changes the outcome vs Crawford.

He could beat a few guys still if he has anything left but it’s not guaranteed.

 

Spence definitely didn't get the most out of his talent

 

I mean... Spence wasn't a super talent. He was talented for sure, but we're not talking some Jones, Pac, Leonard type physical talent here.

What more do you he think he could have done?

 

Not wrecked his body drunk driving and nearly killing himself?

He didn't live like a spartan

If you think he still loses to Crawford pre accident, fine. I agree but it would've been waaaaay more competitive especially before he was boiling down to make weight and had a broken face

 

Ehhhhh... I dunno about "waaaay" more competitive. Spence had looked good against Ugas the fight before. Bud just looked several levels above him.

Prime-for-prime, does Spence put up a better fight? Yeah.

But I suspect that Bud always stops him. Even if they had fought in 2019. He's just too fast and dynamic for Spence.

 

Yeah I can’t see what Errol could do differently. His style just plays into the things Bud does well, particularly those quick, blinding counters. If Spence had Hearns like power, yeah I’d give him a chance but he doesn’t. One shot from him isn’t enough to hurt Crawford. So Bud doesn’t even have to fear the incoming.

Just a bad match up for Errol.

 

Spence looked good vs ugas? He got rocked badly by a guy who can't punch for shit. His punch resistance after a near death car wreck aint what it once was

 

Spence beat the ever living shit outta Ugas. Yeah he looked good.

I'm not seeing what Spence, even on his best day, has to really push Bud. Had they fought 5 years ago, it is a better version of Spence, but it's also a younger and quicker version of Bud.

If it's the Crawford who slaughtered Horn, then I still see Spence getting dissected in the end. The gap in speed and versatility would still be too much for EJ.

 

I'm telling you, my perspective changed when I rewatched Spence-Brook with fresh eyes. That was the best version of Spence we've ever seen, and Brook was getting the better of him until the latter rounds.

Spence is never pushing Bud to the limit, or anything like that. Too slow and too easy to hit.

There's levels to the modern welterweights.

Porter and Danny were on the same level as fighters.

Thurman and Brook were better than Porter and Danny.

Spence was a level better than Thurman and Brook.

And Bud is very clearly a level or two above all 5.

 

Spence probably looked as good as ever against Ugas. These "he was wasted cause of the accident" talks are pure bullshit

 

I guess in the end the one sided nature of the fight still has fans shaken up. But like X said, if you watch Errol’s fights even back in 2017-2018, you could now see how he’d have always had problems with Crawford’s speed and counters.

 

I don't think they're bullshit. His skin and propensity to swell was DEFINITELY impacted by the accident. That's incontrovertible. So, pre-accident, Bud wouldn't have had him looking The Elephant Man after a few rounds.

But any version of Spence is gonna be too slow and easy to hit for Crawford. Also too one dimensional.

 

A come forward guy which no one punch power is gonna always be tailor made for Crawford.

 

I dont see it. He ate a lot of leather against Garcia, and i dont recall him swelling or getting hurt. Per the police report, he had no broken bones in the accident. A lot of fighter went through much eorse and werent affected (Barerra comes to mind). This whole overreaction about this accident is typical of an era where we tend to overanalyze things and jump to extreme conclusion for no reason (every time a fighter gets koed, hes ruined)

 

Uuuuh, Did You SEE the Accident Video???...



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Your facial skin is never gonna be the same after something like that. And Bud has only made it worse.

Which is why I wonder if maybe even Fundora could bust him up.

 

Consider the source. This amphibian identifies as a he/himwit

 

yes, it was spectacular, but so what? Some people dies just by falling off their bed, while other emerges unscathed by things that should have killed them.. At the end of the day, what matters is the consequence of the accident, and per the police report, he had just a few (no broken bones, but some facial lacerations).

was he ruined by it? I guess it's possible, but as I said before, seems to me that it's quite a leap of faith to assume so.

 

My guess is inactivity and partying is Spence's biggest issue.

 

Not only that, but he never fought an opponent remotely close as good as Crawford previously, so maybe he just wasn't cut out to make it at the highest level of the sport? The most likely outcome imo considering his close call with a very good but far from great fighter in Shawn Porter. Furthermore, rguably his biggest win came right after the accident and he didn't looked diminished one iota. I feel it's just too convenient to claim he was ruined afterward (I don't recall a lot of pundits saying so before the fight).

 

to be honest to X, I think he was saying he was probably ruined or at least diminished even before the Crawford fight

 

I think he was diminished, not ruined. And I'm on record as saying that based on the fight, no version of Spence is beating Crawford.

 

Sorry to Split Hairs, But Teeth Are Part of the Skeletal Structure and ALL of Spence's Frontals were Knocked Out on Impact...There was More to This Than Road Rash...Also, Prior to the Accident, Spence NEVER Wore Glasses...

The Detached Retina Diagnosed Prior to the Pacquiao Fight More Than Likely Stemmed FROM the Accident...

"Ruined" By It??? No, REED Ain't Going There...But was Spence's Boxing Career IMPACTED By the Accident? Certainly...To WHAT Degree Will Forever Remain Unknown, But NO Version of Spence Beats ANY Version of Bud Crawford, Based on What Transpired...



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Damn Sure Didn't HELP...That's Undeniable...



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All i know is that he looked better than ever against Ugas. I like Spence, even picked him against Crawford (how wrong was i). But looking back at his career, he already showed some limitations that most of us overlooked

 

Spence certainly has limitations. But I maintain that pre-accident, his face wouldn't have fallen apart against Bud the way it did.

I don't think the knockdowns would have changed. Spence had never before been hit with that type of speed and accuracy.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/4wwfyh_eqJI?si=w-8uPccvMf3waB9K

 

Yeah I think it’s fair to say that it certainly would have been more competitive pre-accident. But I think the outcome is still the same. Errol can’t hurt Bud with one punch. He can’t outmuscle him physically. And he would still be getting hit with the same blinding, quick and accurate counters that he doesn’t see.

 

I agree the way his body reacted to Ugas rocking him told a diffrent story.