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  1. REEDsART

    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    REED Knows VERY LITTLE about Mixed Martial Arts...Just the "Mainstream" Guys like Liddell,Tito Ortiz,Bob Sapp,Matt Hughes,etc...

    REED Saw a Guy Named Ernesto Hoost Beat the Living Shit Out of Sapp 1nce....

    Couple Questions...

    1. What Differentiates Pride,UFC,MMA???...Is 1 SIGNIFICANTLY Better than the Other???...

    2. Is there some Sort of MMA/UFC Lb 4 Lb List???...

    It's Become APPARENT to REED that he Needs to Pay MORE Attention to this Sport...As Such,REED Wants to Know who the BEST Guys R,so he can Check them Out...



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  2. Bob N Weave

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    Brother REED. Ernesto Hoost is one bad boy. He was primarily a K1 fighter who pretty much dominated that sport. He was a great striker.

    Pride and UFC is where all of the best fighters end up. Pride was recently bought out by UFC. As far af PVP lists go... MMA is a lot more random that boxing is. Fighters seem to be able win/lose on any given night. It is the nature of the beast, since there is so much of a diffenerce in styles in the sport. Not to mention 4 oz gloves. :/

    As far as domination goes, the only real DOMINANT figure in the sport is heavyweight Fedor Emelianko. He is undefeated and pretty much the baddest man on the planet. This is mainly because is is a great striker, has a solid chin, and is a submission specialist as well.


    I am a boxing fan at heart, but I greatly appreciate what these guys bring to the table as well. There are some baaad boys in MMA.
     
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  3. REEDsART

    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    Thanks for the Info...

    How Many Fights has Fedor had???...How many KO's???...Has he ver Almost Lost???

    What Exactly is "Striking"???...Is that ATTACKING,Basically??...

    Again,REED has NO Knowledge of this Sport,so some of his Questions will Probably Sound STUPID....


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  4. Bob N Weave

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    Fedor is 27-1. The 1 was bs though. He got cut in the 1st 20 secs of a fight, and they stopped the fight. And since it was a tournament, they gave the other dude the win. Fedor was no where near hurt. I think it was a headbutt too. Fedor destroyed him in a rematch.

    The reason I think he is sooo good is that I have seen him in trouble a couple times, and he overcame it to win strong. Go to youtube and see the fedor vs. Randelmann fight. Randelmann souplexed Fedor straight on his head and Fedor came back to kick his ass.

    Or in his fight against Fujita, he was rocked BADLY, but kept fighting and ended up flooring Fujita and submitting him.

    He is well rounded and TOUGH.

    His record is 6 ko's and 14 submissions.

    Striking is basically "boxing", or "stand up fighting ". Being able to pop as well as fight on the ground.

    And there is no such thing as a stupid question bro! I admite your thirst for knowledge. Who knows, I bet you end up digging it! :cool:
     
  5. suiteness

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    The cut was from an elbow, which were illegal under RINGS rules. I don't know the story about them declaring Kohsaka the winner. Maybe because it was a tournament final?
     
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  6. REEDsART

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    So Submissions DON'T Count as KO's???...

    So 7 of Fedor's Fights went the Distance???...Is it Safe to Say he's the G.O.A.T. of UFC/MMA???...

    For REED to Properly Appreciate this Shit,he wants to See THE BEST Guy Out There 1st...


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  7. REEDsART

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    Another Question...

    What's THE BEST Possible MMA/UFC Matchup that could B Made Right Now???...
     
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    valdosta Undisputed Champion

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    Fedor is the best ever IMO. As for the best match that can be made who the hell knows. There has been a ton of upsets lately. No UFC title holder currently has more than 1 title defense.
     
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    What is the SCHEDULED Length of Rounds???...Fights???...

    How Many Weight Classes???..What R the Weight Classes??...


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  10. valdosta

    valdosta Undisputed Champion

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    UFC non title fights are 3, 5 minute rounds

    UFC title fights are 5, 5 minutes rounds

    Pride fights are 3 rounds. Round 1 is 10 minutes and rounds 2 and 3 are 5 minutes. Regardless of if it's a title fight or not.

    Weight classes are. 155,170,185,205 and 205+. Lightweight,Welterweight,middleweight,Light heavyweight and Heavyweight.
     
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  11. REEDsART

    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    R there any HUGE Klitschoko,Lennox Lewis Sized Guys N MMA??...

    Other than Sapp,that is...
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  12. Tam Tam

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    Tim Sylvia, Semmy Schilt, Dan IsShit...and a bunch of others. Plenty of size around. The UFC heavyweight limit is actually a maximum of 265. So thats 205 TO 265.

    Its not unlimited like boxing.
     
  13. REEDsART

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    So What??...U CAN'T Compete Weighing 266 or More???...


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  14. Azazel

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    ON the top of my head
    1. -Pride is in a ring, UFC in in the octogon
    -In Pride, you can kick and stomp an opponnent on the ground, knee him behin the head after a failed sprawl, you can't in the UFC.
    - Time limit, weight class and scoring are different ( UFC is rbr like in boxing )

    2. Of course there is, you can make a lb 4 lb list in basket ball if you want to

    Also, to my knowleged, Hoost and Sapp fought in K-1, wich is kind of like Muay Thai, and Sapp won both fight ( even thought it was an horrible stoppage in the 1st ). And, Fedor should have lost on a cut vs Noguiera once, but, as other said, he's probably the GOAT.
     
  15. Azazel

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    Nah, you can'T in the UFC
     
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    www.sherdog.com here u can check all fighters records...


    oh and UFC and pride are both MMA organisations. MMA just means mixed martial arts so u can basically do everything besides some exceptions that differ a little in every organization...
     
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    Fedor is the Roy Jones of MMA. Guy is the best and it isn't even close.
     
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    Reed, I am also primarily a boxing fan but for YEARS ever since UFC 1, I have watched MMA on and off.

    I enjoy it, but never as much as a good boxing match (ie Morales Barrera, CHico - Castillo etc).

    Partly because I started off in martial arts, and then went to boxing in my late teens.

    MMA fights CAN be good, it's quite exciting to have such varying styles matched up together, it's probably even more of an "anything can happen" sport than boxing :)

    Sometimes though, it can lead to extremely boring fights, with 2 grapplers, or a grappler and a striker on the ground etc.

    I prefer the standup game in MMA, but with the potential of "take downs" for an extra dimension.

    Pride have a good policy and that's yellow cards, if fighters are pissing about and the fight is boring, they get issued a yellow card to prompt them to actually fight.

    And yes, what they say is true. Fedor is the man, he is the only fighter that you'd comfortably pick over EVERYONE.

    He looks like a chubby, slightly baby faced russian, but he is a fucking fighting machine, honestly. He is extremely tough, with an extremely well rounded game.

    Check out his fight against randleman, that's impressive.

    Also check out his fight with this HUGE guy called zinouzoulu or something :lol:

    I used to like Gomi, but he's not all that. Fedor is the best.
     
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    ArturoGatti WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    you should check out Anderson Silva, the self proclaimed "Roy Jones Jr. of mma". :cheer: :stir:
     
  20. Bob N Weave

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    The fact that Fedor has gone 27 fights without a loss against the biggest names in the sport is HUGE. Unlike boxing, MMA fighters rarely/if ever go without a loss before their 10th pro fight. Thats how competitive it is at ALL levels. Not only that, but keep in mind, some of those fights were after fighting 2 other times on the same night!
     
  21. Bob N Weave

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    Yeah, thats another one to check out. Silva is pretty dominant in the sport now too. Very fun to watch.
     
  22. Bob N Weave

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    As far as the best fights to be made now.. There are tons. Sooo many good fights its hard to pick em.. at lower weight classes though.

    For heavyweight...Fedor vs. anyone is always fun to watch in a Tysonlike way. But as far as meaningful matchups, he is just head shoulders above everyone else. There are some decent heavyweight fights to be made though, just nothing that the public is demanding atm.
     
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    What differentiates PRIDE from UFC is pretty much only the skill set allowed and drug testing.

    PRIDE does not test for steroids, while UFC does...as it is usually regulated by a state athletic commision.

    And while LB 4 LB lists are usually up to the person, Fedor Emelianenko is definitely number one.

    Other top fighters include:

    Kid Yamamoto (143 LBS champion, currently not fighting because he is pursuing olympic wrestling)

    Dan Henderson (Olympic wrestler with knockout power in his right hand)

    Randy Couture (Current UFC heavyweight champion. Former olympic wrestler with underrated stand-up)

    Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera (2nd best heavyweight to Fedor. Recently signed deal with the UFC)

    Georges St. Pierre (Considered best all-around fighter besides Fedor until his recent upset loss to Matt Serra)

    And to answer your other question, "striking" incorporates ALL stand up fighting.

    Boxing, Taekwondo, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Karate etc.

    Most fighters in today's MMA usually train both boxing and muay thai.
     
  24. holler

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    Hey REED,

    I'm an MMA newbie as well, in fact last weekend's fight was my first UFC PPV.

    If you're looking for somebody to root for/watch check out Rampage Jackson. (In fact he's the only reason why I ordered the PPV)

    The guy is absolutely hilarious and definitely has that crossover appeal to guys who are just checking out the sport. If you wanna see guys get powerbombed and KTFO check out some of his fights on youtube. Check his interviews too for a good laugh - if boxing had a personality like him, IMO we'd be in the mainstream again.
     
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    The one thing that irks me is seeing 2 world class wrestlers trying to box eachother when neither one can get a takedown.:lol: You see it often. Hell, we had 2 Olympians in a Pride fight. Yoshida, a judo gold medalist, and Rulon Gardner, a Greco Roman medalist. Most of the f*cking fight consisting of a 'boxing' match with Gardner winning using his 'jab' or lack thereof.:laughing:
    I also don't like seeing Randy Couture box. He neglected his wrestling against Liddell and tried to KO him with a bunch of blind hailmarys. Couture's wrestling was neutralized so he had no other choice. I just wonder how a fighter would react to a world class boxer or K1 fighter who had takedown defense. The fight stays standing and the wrestler is in serious trouble.
     
  26. Bob N Weave

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    That's what makes the sport so spontaneous. So many variables and adjustments to make.
     
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    Fedor is almost the opposite of what you would expect... tubby, short for a heavyweight, balding, docile as a llama. Deadly though...

    Just youtube 'fedor' and watch a few highlight vids.
     
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    6 feet, 225lbs with incredible submission skills and devastating ground and pound.
     
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    why doesn't fedor fight in UFC?
    is he likely to?

    I happened to catch that Liddell-Jackson match on TV yesterday and it was exhilarating. Jackson is so damned marketable, a UFC Ali. He was hamming it up like a WWE villain.

    UFC seem to have really smoothed their set-up, seems so professional.

    The crucial fuck-up in boxing is that fights don't get made. Looks like UFC is avoiding that problem.

    Also - boxers need a long rest-time between fights. But I guess MMA fighters don't have to do the same. So we can see the big fighters in fights more often.
     

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