Antonio Tarver: Eyes open or closed?

[Tam Tam]

This age old myth has never truly been decided either way. Jones fans claim it was pure luck, that his eyes were shut and he swung for his life. Tarver's fan (Valdarver) claims it was a pin-point, crisp shot to the chin, set up beautifully by a master technician.

Who's right?

Discuss.

[Tyler Durden]

[Tam Tam]

:CalvinBrock:

[Pascals Wager]

I suspect that he may have blinked.
Accordingly, the decision should really be over-turned

[LOK]

This was THE most lucky punch in the history of boxing. Milkdud's eyes were closed as he kinda flinched.. afraid to get hit.. he just wildly thru and it was like winnin the lotto!!

[uppercutz1]

Well considering that his eyes were indeed closed and the punch landed perfectly on the vulnerable area of the jaw I can see how people called it a fluke.......but nonetheless he threw it.

I find it funny though how people claim Roy was chinny because that home run of a punch would've dropped a horse.

[Tam Tam]

But would it have dropped a horse? How do you know? Tarver's landed those kinds of punches against all kinds of opponents. I can only really recall poor Johnson being totally fucked up by him.

[dsimon3387]

This age old myth has never truly been decided either way. Jones fans claim it was pure luck, that his eyes were shut and he swung for his life. Tarver's fan (Valdarver) claims it was a pin-point, crisp shot to the chin, set up beautifully by a master technician.

Who's right?

Discuss.

dsimon writes:

To truly answer this question we have to see how the punch was set up and understand Roy Jones foible as a fighter.

Tarver previously had only hit Roy substantially on the ropes (first fight). Tarver made a real effort to get to Roy and actually press him prior to cornering him. He did this knowing that Roy could conceviably counter him. So in my mind Tarver deserves credit on this account... he set Roy up for the punch and he didn't wait for Roy to get cornered to unload the punch.

It turns out, despite the excuses by the legion of his fans, that Roy was seriously vulnerable on the chin. I cite Johnson's victory to establish this fact. So Tarver's punch did not have to be outstanding to have its desired effect, Roy is Chinny and would have been vulnerable to a big punch (Lou DEvalle style) any time in his career.

[Erratic]

Tarver caught Roy with a perfect shot. He was too patient for his own good in the first fight and worried about Roy's countering, but this time around he got to him with a great shot.

I very rarely buy into that "lucky" punch stuff, unless it's a case like Tua-Rahman I where the punch shouldn't have counted. You train in the gym to exploit mistakes and do maximum damage. That's what Tarver did.

[Tyler Durden]

But would it have dropped a horse? How do you know? Tarver's landed those kinds of punches against all kinds of opponents. I can only really recall poor Johnson being totally fucked up by him.

Even more proof that he got clocked by 1 good shot.

[Tyler Durden]

Here is the logic of calling Jones chinny.....


He never got hit in his career, anyone could have done it .

He got hit by Devalle good, but the KD from a partial slip didn't happen. Therefore he is chinny

Tarver didn't hit Roy the first fight

A clean shot when you are looking away with no defense and don't see it coming should make you blink, not fall down

Tarver hurt Roy again in the third fight but Roy withstood it and came back, therefore he is chinny

[Alabama_Man]

No such thing as a lucky shot. Doesn't matter if it's Rahman on Lewis, or Toney on Nunn.

I would never call Tarver a "master technician", but he meant to lay out Roy with that shot and aimed it perfectly.

[Tam Tam]

No such thing as a lucky shot. Doesn't matter if it's Rahman on Lewis, or Toney on Nunn.

I would never call Tarver a "master technician", but he meant to lay out Roy with that shot and aimed it perfectly.

Wurd.

[Tyler Durden]

No such thing as a lucky shot. Doesn't matter if it's Rahman on Lewis, or Toney on Nunn.

I would never call Tarver a "master technician", but he meant to lay out Roy with that shot and aimed it perfectly.

When a pro gets hit cleanly from a punch they didn't even have a chance to flinch on, it is at least fortunate?

[Tyler Durden]

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11. Who is your favorite fighter?/ Who is your favorite fighter to watch?
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