When did boxing reach its evolution peak?

[Kaliber44]

I mean if you look back on John Sullivan and look at Lennox Lewis you know what i'm talking about. When boxing started back in the day it was very different than it is now..but i think now it's pretty much as evolved as it's gonna get, therefore my question is in what time frame did boxing reach it's evolution peak??

[steve_dave]

I mean if you look back on John Sullivan and look at Lennox Lewis you know what i'm talking about. When boxing started back in the day it was very different than it is now..but i think now it's pretty much as evolved as it's gonna get, therefore my question is in what time frame did boxing reach it's evolution peak??

That's naive.

[REEDsART]

That's naive.

Exactly...

Fans N the John L. Sullivan Days were Probably Saying THE SAME Shit that Kaliber Said in this Thread...

Evolution NEVER Stops ...

ASSuming Lennox Lewis is the END of "The Peak" is VERY NAIVE...


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[Kaliber44]

So really what else can be different? A new stance we don't know about? A new punching style that generates more power???

[whiskey]

So really what else can be different? A new stance we don't know about? A new punching style that generates more power???

Yes and yes.

Nothing dramatically different, but a combination of athletes getting better and perfecting the techniques of previous fighters.

[D MAN]

The evolution of boxing has just as much to do with what happens OUTSIDE the ring, as it does what happens INSIDE the ring. Rule changes, rule enforecement, scoring systems, publicity, history, society, public perceptions and even human evolution itself among other things all shape the way that fighters combat each other in the ring..... so UNLESS you believe that the evolution of humanity itself has come to a screeching halt, and we are at the everlasting pinnacle of environment and society, then boxing will continue to evolve.

[steve_dave]

Yes and yes.

Nothing dramatically different, but a combination of athletes getting better and perfecting the techniques of previous fighters.

Exactly. There's ALWAYS going to be someone who will come along and re-write the way certain things are done. Nothing ever stops evolving.

[whiskey]

The evolution of boxing has just as much to do with what happens OUTSIDE the ring, as it does what happens INSIDE the ring. Rule changes, rule enforecement, scoring systems, publicity, history, society, public perceptions and even human evolution itself among other things all shape the way that fighters combat each other in the ring..... so UNLESS you believe that the evolution of humanity itself has come to a screeching halt, and we are at the everlasting pinnacle of environment and society, then boxing will continue to evolve.

That too.

[REEDsART]

Exactly. There's ALWAYS going to be someone who will come along and re-write the way certain things are done. Nothing ever stops evolving.

The BEST Example of this is the N.B.A...

Guys Saw Elgin Baylor or Connie Hawkins & SWORE THAT was as GOOD as it Got....

But Along Came Dr. J....

& Just when Peeps SWORE Dr. J was as GOOD as it Got, Along Came Michael Jordan...

NOWADAYS, there's Probably 20 Guys in the NBA who Could EASILY REPLICATE Jordan's Breathtaking Moves...

Then there's Vince Carter who can SURPASS Jordan's Moves...OR a Cat like LeBron, who's 2-3 inches TALLER & about 40 Lbs HEAVIER than a PRIME Jordan, yet even HE Can Replicate &/or SURPASS Jordan's Moves...

20 Years from Now, there'll B Guys in the NBA Making LeBron & Vince Carter's Moves Look "Dated"...

EVOLUTION, Baby!!!...


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[Donnybrook]

I mean if you look back on John Sullivan and look at Lennox Lewis you know what i'm talking about. When boxing started back in the day it was very different than it is now..but i think now it's pretty much as evolved as it's gonna get, therefore my question is in what time frame did boxing reach it's evolution peak??

Nonpareil Jack Dempsey, 1895. It's been all downhill since then.

[dsimon3387]

dsimon writes:

I just don't think Boxing has evolved so much as changed. People have thrown punches for a long time and boxing has been around for such a comparatively short time. There are body dynamics that I like about the old way of fighting and the fighters had more tools, more grappling skills. The problem is that there are things that are subtle and the eye cannot discern about fighting. I think the old bare knuckle guys fight more like MMA guys today and when the sport started to develop with gloves it changed the way people do things considerably.

Yes the guys are more athletes in boxing since around the 1970's or so, but while there is a difference between a fighter and an athlete in some respects, both have advantages and disadvantages.

[whiskey]

Nonpareil Jack Dempsey, 1895. It's been all downhill since then.

Donnybrook = Tracy Callis

[cupey alto]

it reached it's peak in the 70-80's and after that the focus became power and muscles. Just look at Calzaghe vs Lacy to see what I mean.

Cupey

[dsimon3387]

it reached it's peak in the 70-80's and after that the focus became power and muscles. Just look at Calzaghe vs Lacy to see what I mean.

Cupey

dsimon writes:



Excellent post! I agree with this. The analogy is fitting. Gloves got bigger and rounds get smaller.

[Donnybrook]

Donnybrook = Tracy Callis