...is the reason nobody gives a fuck about the division anymore and why 90% of the fights there are bore-fests, unless, for example, someone like Lewis or Peter is involved and the robots' metal is tested and they're actually made to fight?
Is it fair to say that Eastern European's emergence as the best heavy-weights....
...is the reason nobody gives a fuck about the division anymore and why 90% of the fights there are bore-fests, unless, for example, someone like Lewis or Peter is involved and the robots' metal is tested and they're actually made to fight?
"A fisherman is always hopeful -- nearly always more hopeful than he has any right to be."- Roderick Haig-Brown
Yes I would say that it is their tactical brilliance that has proven to be too much for the dumb people elsewhere and their intelligent boxing is too difficult for everybody else to understand
Last edited by Ugotabe Kidding; 02-24-2008 at 03:31 PM.
Originally Posted by "Pascals Wager"
smarter or not, their pay-days will continue to diminish, and heavy-weight boxing wiol become the step child of the sport.
"A fisherman is always hopeful -- nearly always more hopeful than he has any right to be."- Roderick Haig-Brown
Eastern European fighters are total crap. Did you notice that whenever a given division becomes totally devoid of talent, Eastern Euros are there to take over, while if a division has at least one elite fighter, Eastern Euros are nowhere in sight?
Case in point: cruisers. Vasily Jirov was the champ, while the division was totally empty. As soon as division became alive with guys like Toney, Mormeck, Haye, etc...... Jirov was gone, unable to handle the higher level of competition.
Case in point: welterweights. The division is star-studded, with guys like PBF, Cotto, Quintana, Baldomir, etc, and with lower-end guys like Margarito, Williams etc. There's not a single Eastern Euro among the best of the division.....except interim champion Nuzhnenko, who's actually a Cotto's mandatory (Nuzhnenko is so bad, Cotto will probably drop his belt, rather than waste his time with the bum).
Case in point: heavyweights. When the division was chock-full of fighters such as Lennox, Holy, Tyson, Eastern Euro bums were nowhere to be found. When Quitaly finally found the balls to step up and face an old Lennox, he got beaten up so badly, the fight had to be stopped, out of fears that Quitaly's face might disintegrate.
Case in point: welterweights. While guys like Tito, PBF, Oscar, Quartey, Whitaker, Mosley were fighting each other for boxing supremacy, Kostya Zoo somehow managed to avoid ALL of them, prefering to fight no-hopers like Mitchell.
Case in point: junior-middleweights: while guys like Tito, PBF, Oscar, Quartey, Whitaker, Mosley were fighting each other for boxing supremacy, Roman Karmazin somehow managed to avoid all of them, preferring to lose to no-hopers like Castilejo and Bunema.
Bottom line: if a boxing division has at least one legitimate elite boxer, Eastern Euros are nowhere to be found.
Eastern Euros are like vultures: descending on weak and dead divisions, while avoiding the most stacked divisions.
Last edited by dymipepel; 02-24-2008 at 03:39 PM.
It's probably closer to being the exact opposite.
Eastern European fans like those from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, etc. usually support "their" fighters in the US more than American fight fans support "theirs".
Even an entertaining American champion like Brewster didn't draw well in the US...which is why he defended his title in Europe.
The most heavily attended of his US title defenses was against Golota in Chicago...because of Polish fans.
Americans like Tony Thompson, Calvin Brock and Chris Arreola aren't huge draws.
Toney and Rahman are both past it, but it's not like they were huge draws when they were near the top of the division.
Also, there seems to be a pretty wide net being cast on Eastern Europeans. Maskaev isn't what I'd call a boring fighter, neither is Chagaev. I wouldn't call fighters like Golota, Liakhovich, Povetkin, Platov, or Boytsov boring either.
Even Vitali Klitschko wasn't exactly boring...his fights with Lewis, Sanders, Williams and Johnson weren't boring...and he didn't really play it safe in any of those fights.
"And a smart thing he's doing, he spit out his mouthpiece just like Diego Corrales" Mora
“Boxing is made up of weight classes,” De La Hoya criticized. “Stick to your weight classes.”
“Whitaker was so slick and to me, he felt like he was in a whole different class,” De La Hoya said. “He was a southpaw and he had all these tricky moves and everything. But he didn’t mind trading with you and Mayweather didn’t want to do that.”
Here's a question: How entertained were you by Toney-Rahman, Ruiz-Toney (or Toney-Ruiz), Ruiz-Rahman?
"And a smart thing he's doing, he spit out his mouthpiece just like Diego Corrales" Mora
“Boxing is made up of weight classes,” De La Hoya criticized. “Stick to your weight classes.”
“Whitaker was so slick and to me, he felt like he was in a whole different class,” De La Hoya said. “He was a southpaw and he had all these tricky moves and everything. But he didn’t mind trading with you and Mayweather didn’t want to do that.”
Far, far more than by yesterday garbage, or than Valuev-Bergeron/Lyakhovich, or than Iggy-Holyfield/Briggs
Last edited by Azazel; 02-24-2008 at 04:40 PM.
The John Ruiz Warwagon : Azazel, LOK
Agree with everything except Vitali getting beaten up so badly. He held his own though he did lose.
yeah, the great Samuel Peter. What's the use of being exciting when you are so bad even McCline wipes the floor with you?
The OFFICIAL "I don't care what anyone says, Michael Cera is the f'n man" Bandwaggon: ArturoGatti, rooster.
the financial aspect was argu,emtative, and probably a faiing one.
my major point is, heavyweight fights aren't fin to wach anymore -- at least not in general. and i'm asking the question, is that due to the emergence of more and more eastern euopea s who rarely war with each other and create zero excitement in fsvor of techincal smarts.
"A fisherman is always hopeful -- nearly always more hopeful than he has any right to be."- Roderick Haig-Brown
You watch yourself AG, you know damn well Wlad ruined Peter.yeah, the great Samuel Peter. What's the use of being exciting when you are so bad even McCline wipes the floor with you?
John Ruiz and Chris Byrd were two of the most criticized heavyweights of recent memory, in terms of entertainment value, and neither were Eastern European.
On the other hand, Vitali Klitschko was actually an entertaining champion. The last four fights of his career were all re-watchable.
The fight was not very exciting last night. I just think it's a little too easy to start using that fight to start making general arguments.
"And a smart thing he's doing, he spit out his mouthpiece just like Diego Corrales" Mora
“Boxing is made up of weight classes,” De La Hoya criticized. “Stick to your weight classes.”
“Whitaker was so slick and to me, he felt like he was in a whole different class,” De La Hoya said. “He was a southpaw and he had all these tricky moves and everything. But he didn’t mind trading with you and Mayweather didn’t want to do that.”
You watch yourself AG, you know damn well Wlad ruined Peter.
Peter got famous off of one good KO win. And by good, I mean it was a good ko, not really taht good of a win.
The OFFICIAL "I don't care what anyone says, Michael Cera is the f'n man" Bandwaggon: ArturoGatti, rooster.
i don't know. first of all the thread is posed as a question, so don't address me like i've made a claim one way or the other.
secomndly, vitali's exciting fights were the exceptiond - in general he 1-2'd a guy half his size until he either dropped or 12 roumds pssed. \\
"A fisherman is always hopeful -- nearly always more hopeful than he has any right to be."- Roderick Haig-Brown
Yeah, you were being very objective.
They're the reason "nobody gives a fuck about the division anymore" and "why 90% of the fights there are bore-fests".
"And a smart thing he's doing, he spit out his mouthpiece just like Diego Corrales" Mora
“Boxing is made up of weight classes,” De La Hoya criticized. “Stick to your weight classes.”
“Whitaker was so slick and to me, he felt like he was in a whole different class,” De La Hoya said. “He was a southpaw and he had all these tricky moves and everything. But he didn’t mind trading with you and Mayweather didn’t want to do that.”
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