Do you think Pac uses PEDs?

**r o o s t e r** · 12-26-2009, 01:35 AM

do you think pac uses performance enhancing drugs?

i think he probably does. there were a number of ways to respond to floyd's drug test requirement: agree to the tests; agree to the tests and plan a libel action at the same time; agree to the tests and respond with more requirements of your own at the negotiating table; agree to the tests but still make the same complaints in the media that they've been making, which'd still make floyd like a scared asshole while securing the fight nonetheless; .... but instead they chose to quit the fight. the pac camp knew that refusing the tests would be a huge public relations black-eye, that it'd sully the reputation of the world's most popular boxer and prevent the fight-of-the-century from happening, but for some reason they felt committed to doing it, felt they just couldn't agree to the tests.

if pac really does react badly to taking blood, does it really hit him so bad that's he's willing to tarnish his reputation to avoid it? or if he wanted to make an ethical stand and make floyd look like an asshole for introducing extra stipulations, he would have achieved this better if he'd complained about how silly the tests were while still going ahead and agreeing to them.

it's far from certain, but it looks more likely that he's using the drugs rather than not.

of course, he's still a great great boxer, and a great great credit to the sport (more than can be said for floyd). i guess he's got a choice - stop the drugs, do the test, go into the fight unroided and (probably) lose to floyd, thus causing people to question your entire career; or stay on the drugs, beat some other people and protect at least some of the pacman aura, ready for your post-boxing political career. it's not a surprise he chose the second.

whether floyd's an asshole or not, whether this was an unfair thing to ask for or not, it looks like pac's probably been using performance enhancers.

**Hanz** · 12-26-2009, 01:45 AM

Isn't it bad enough that these stupid midget boxers are actually making a mockery of the sport itself by implementing all these whacked stipulations? Here's how it goes: 50-50 purse split, fight signed for March 13, fight to be fought at 147. No catch weight bullsh*t. Let the motherf*ckers train, let them get their pre fight drug testing, let them FIGHT, and then get their post fight drug testing, and everybody gets paid, everybody is happy and everybody can move on with their lives!
What the f*ck else is necessary? Nothing! This ain't f*cking politics.

**Fighter** · 12-26-2009, 01:46 AM

I'll believe he is using PED's when it is PROVEN with facts, otherwise...

He doesn't object to testing, but he does object with INTERFERING with his training. In other words, he doesn't want to give blood samples 48 hours prior to the fight. To him, giving blood is like having sex before a fight, it WEAKENS you.

It is the Mayweather camp who chose to QUIT the fight by failing to COMPROMISE on the testing. Never mind the Commission, never mind other organizations, never mind it will still be random but not after 48 hours before the fight, never mind Pacquaio is agreeing to blood analysis immediately AFTER the fight, It's Olympic, my way or no fight.

I think Floyd is more worried about aura of invencibility than Pacquaio is judging from the body of work in the past few years.

**r o o s t e r** · 12-26-2009, 01:51 AM

floyd and his team are assholes and cowards, for sure. but if pac's not on PEDs, he could have quite easily made them look like assholes and cowards by agreeing to their tests and still gone to the media to complain like they have done. in fact he would have made them look like assholes and cowards even better by doing that, by agreeing to the fight and complaining at the same time.

**r o o s t e r** · 12-26-2009, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Fighter

I think Floyd is more worried about aura of invencibility than Pacquaio is judging from the body of work in the past few years.

certainly: when it comes to a question of character between floyd and he, pac wins hands-down. pac's a credit to the sport, while floyd's often a disgrace. but pac's still probably on PEDs.

**mikE** · 12-26-2009, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Fighter

I'll believe he is using PED's when it is PROVEN with facts, otherwise...

He doesn't object to testing, but he does object with INTERFERING with his training. In other words, he doesn't want to give blood samples 48 hours prior to the fight. To him, giving blood is like having sex before a fight, it WEAKENS you.

It is the Mayweather camp who chose to QUIT the fight by failing to COMPROMISE on the testing. Never mind the Commission, never mind other organizations, never mind it will still be random but not after 48 hours before the fight, never mind Pacquaio is agreeing to blood analysis immediately AFTER the fight, It's Olympic, my way or no fight.

I think Floyd is more worried about aura of invencibility than Pacquaio is judging from the body of work in the past few years.

Do you feel this is a legitimate reason? Seems like we would have heard this bullshit excuse from an Olympian by now, don't you think?

**r o o s t e r** · 12-26-2009, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by mikE

Do you feel this is a legitimate reason? Seems like we would have heard this bullshit excuse from an Olympian by now, don't you think?

sounds to me like another good point

**Fighter** · 12-26-2009, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by mikE

Do you feel this is a legitimate reason? Seems like we would have heard this bullshit excuse from an Olympian by now, don't you think?

Whether it is legitimate to me,you or an Olympian carries little weight. Some people believed eating certain foods at certain times was/is a sin against God and detrimental to your health. True or not, that's what they believed.

From the 24-7 show, Pacquaio had the tattoos and blood work well BEFORE the weighin in his KO'S of Hatton and Cotto. It is CONSISTENT to what he believes.

**r o o s t e r** · 12-26-2009, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Fighter

Whether it is legitimate to me,you or an Olympian carries little weight. Some people believed eating certain foods at certain times was/is a sin against God and detrimental to your health. True or not, that's what they believed.

From the 24-7 show, Pacquaio had the tattoos and blood work well BEFORE the weighin in his KO'S of Hatton and Cotto. It is CONSISTENT to what he believes.

dunno; seems unlikely that pac's camp would let him jeopardise this megafight and his reputation over this little foible he has, without being able to talk him round.

**mikE** · 12-26-2009, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by Fighter

Whether it is legitimate to me,you or an Olympian carries little weight. Some people believed eating certain foods at certain times was/is a sin against God and detrimental to your health. True or not, that's what they believed.

From the 24-7 show, Pacquaio had the tattoos and blood work well BEFORE the weighin in his KO'S of Hatton and Cotto. It is CONSISTENT to what he believes.

I'll take that as a no.

When boxing changes its rules to require olympic style testing, are you suggesting that you believe Pacquiao would quit boxing rather than endure such a detrimental requirement?

Btw, you don't know that it is consistent with his beliefs because he never expressed this belief before. Why would he have? Only after 3 days of trying to come up with an excuse that will justify his refusal did we hear of this excuse. Am I wrong on this point?

**Fighter** · 12-26-2009, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by mikE

I'll take that as a no.

When boxing changes its rules to require olympic style testing, are you suggesting that you believe Pacquiao would quit boxing rather than endure such a detrimental requirement?

Btw, you don't know that it is consistent with his beliefs because he never expressed this belief before. Why would he have? Only after 3 days of trying to come up with an excuse that will justify his refusal did we hear of this excuse. Am I wrong on this point?

What you say is an excuse, he says it's an interference. The CONSISTENCY is still there because it does not contradict his past actions.

Boxing never had a problem before? When Roy Jones, Mosley, Chavez Jr, Mayorga, Tommy Morrison, Pernell Whitaker tested positive "boxing" didn't change to Olympic testing?

At this point, I'm very confortable with letting a court of LAW decide...

**Ron King 702** · 12-26-2009, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by mikE

I'll take that as a no.

When boxing changes its rules to require olympic style testing, are you suggesting that you believe Pacquiao would quit boxing rather than endure such a detrimental requirement?

Btw, you don't know that it is consistent with his beliefs because he never expressed this belief before. Why would he have? Only after 3 days of trying to come up with an excuse that will justify his refusal did we hear of this excuse. Am I wrong on this point?

good

**Haymaker** · 12-26-2009, 02:30 AM

how is getting some blood or urine taken "interference" from a training camp? It only takes a minute. And like everybody's saying, if Pac is so afraid of needles, how comes he never complained about a blood test before and how comes that he got a couple of tattoos? And by refusing, he looks like a cheater. Makes ME wonder (and a lot of people) if he is clean for real.

**Fighter** · 12-26-2009, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Haymaker

how is getting some blood or urine taken "interference" from a training camp? It only takes a minute. And like everybody's saying, if Pac is so afraid of needles, how comes he never complained about a blood test before and how comes that he got a couple of tattoos? And by refusing, he looks like a cheater. Makes ME wonder (and a lot of people) if he is clean for real.

Whether blood analysis is an interference to me personally, NO. Do I think sex the day before a fight weakens a fighter and is an interference? YES. According to Manny the two are one and the SAME.

Again, the blood work was never done right before a fight, which in this case he would be open for it if he agreed.

Pacman is obviously NOT afraid of needles, at least from the footage I've seen.

The Mayweathers and GBP could have WONDERED too. They could have COMPROMISED. They could have restrained going overboard with their ALLEGATIONS.

Even when he was campaigning at 130, he would come in above 140 fight night. He has not gaining a lot weight since moving up. It's becoming STRONGER and not losing SPEED that is objectionable to the Mayweathers and GBP.

**jaws1216** · 12-26-2009, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by r o o s t e r

floyd and his team are assholes and cowards, for sure. but if pac's not on PEDs, he could have quite easily made them look like assholes and cowards by agreeing to their tests and still gone to the media to complain like they have done. in fact he would have made them look like assholes and cowards even better by doing that, by agreeing to the fight and complaining at the same time.

it would be a non-story if he accepted the terms and objected for the reasons he's objecting for. This is just a bitch move by the mayweathers