The Annual: Who's greater, Hopkins or Hagler?

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Who's the greater fighter?

  1. Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins

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  2. Marvelous Marvin Hagler

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  1. Destruction and Mayhem

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  2. steve_dave

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    Hopkins. Not sure who would win at middle, though.
     
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    Agreed.

    A fight at 160 is a pick'em
     
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    At this point, it's really a question of who was the greater middleweight. Hopkins has accomplished too much since leaving the division.
     
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    Bernard has never lost to welterweight coming out of retirement.
     
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    That's not fair man, Leonard was one of the greatest fighters ever.
     
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    And Hagler never lost to Jermain Taylor. This gave me an idea for a MM

    I'd say Hopkins for the topic
     
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    Hagler's the Greater MIDDLEWEIGHT, but Hopkins would HAVE to B Rated the Greater FIGHTER Overall, Based on his Exploits ABOVE 160 lbs...While that's Not a POPULAR Sentiment, it's the Most LOGICAL...



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    Agreed. I think Hagler edges him at middle though.
     
  11. Double L

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    Did Hagler ever lose twice to a amateur like Taylor? When, like Hopkins when he lost twice to Taylor, was in his prime?
     
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    I'm not sure if you're trying to say that Hopkins was in his prime when he lost to Taylor, but if you are, you've clearly never seen a prime Hopkins fight. I thought he won both fights in any case.. but then, many think Hagler won his fight with Leonard.
     
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    Doub' really brought his A game today.
     
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    Hopkins vs. Leonard would have been a dream match also
     
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    Hagler is the greater middleweight, but Hopkins may be the greater overall fighter because of his other accomplishments... I voted Hagler, not paying proper attention that the poll was for overall and not just middleweight
     
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    Gosh, has it been a year already?
     
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    You're right. The Hopkins that beat Echols easily (since Echols is crap) was closer to his prime. Or what it the Hopkins who choked against RJJ. Many like to think Hopkins' prime began and ended with his win over Johnson. But what about his win over Lipsey?
     
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    Hopkins was 40 when he fought Taylor.
     
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    Perhaps NO Fighter's "Prime" is HARDER to Pinpoint than Bernard Hopkins'...Most Fans Subscribe to the "Bernard was GREEN" Theory, to MINIMIZE Roy Jones' Win Over him...They'll Also Tell U he was PAST "Prime" by the Time he Faced Tito Trinidad...

    So Basically, Bernard's "Prime" is Conveniently SANDWICHED by the ONLY 2 Great Fighters he Stepped in the Ring w/@ that Time...Roy Jones & Tito Trinidad...



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    Hagler wins at Middleweight and had the better career at MW. And to me that's all that matters.

    Picking and choosing 'comeback' fights against opponents with holes in their games does little to impress me by itself. The fact that Hopkins did it while beyond 40 DOES impress me and obviously gives him more career accomplishments than Hagler.
     
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    Hopkins is boxing's cancer. Great fighter, but unwatchable and overrated.

    He clearly lost (cheated and would've been KO'd) to Joe Calzaghe, and was beaten by every fighter he ever faced with talent, Save Antonio (I lose to everyone the first time) Tarver.

    Hagler would beat him at Middleweight, close fight though, and very unwatchable.
     
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    Hagler.

    I'm a huge Hopkins fan, but Hagler.
     
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    Can you explain?
     
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    I think at his best he was better. A tiny, little bit better.

    I don't put as much weight on multi-division accomplishments as many. Some guys bodies allow them to do it, some don't, I don't think it's much comment on their ability or greatness, personally.

    Both guys peaked at middleweight and had long reigns & I think Hagler was a slightly better.
     
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    How Can U NOT "Weigh" Mulit-Division Accomplishments More FAVORABLY, Brother HUT???...Correct REED if he's Wrong, but Isn't YOUR Favorite Fighter Roberto Duran???...

    If we ONLY Judge Duran on his Lightweight Accomplishments, there's NOfuckingWAY he's Held in the Same Regard as he Rightfully is Now...Bringing it Back to Hopkins-Hagler, Bernard's Middleweight Exploits R SLIGHTLY Below Hagler's...& he's Got SEVERAL Impressive Feats ABOVE 160lbs, to Give him a SLIGHT Overall Edge on Hagler, in REED's Opinion...



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    I disagree. I think Hopkins-Hagler at MW during their primes would be an entertaining fight. If we got to see it over 15 rounds, it would be a great fight.
     
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    I have Hagler ranked higher all-time at middleweight, due to him beating superior opposition. I also only thought he lost one fight (the Monroe decision is supposed to be a fair one, I never saw it). I had him drawing with Leonard, beating Watts in Philly, and also beating Antuofermo by decision in the first fight.

    I can see Hopkins being ranked higher overall though, as he's done work above MW and his longevity is insane. Like Hagler, I also think he's had some tough luck with the judges.

    I also would lean towards Hopkins by decision over Hagler by a narrow margin.
     
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    People are forgetting that Hopkins during his prime was a much more aggressive and offensive fighter. Forget Taylor, a prime Hopkins doesn't carry DLH for 9 rounds.
     
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    Yeah, he was definitely more fun to watch than the ugly spoiler he became. He had some stinkers back then too, but in general was more aggressive and less ugly to watch.

    Hopkins and Hagler were pretty much the opposites in how their styles changed as they got older. Hopkins used to be more aggressive, became more boring with a low punch output as he aged, and a lot of people seem to think Hopkins was always this spoiler throughout his career.

    Hagler spent most of his career as a boxer-puncher who used the ring, a lot of lateral movement and some backfoot boxing as well, and then turns into a tank against Tommy Hearns. Now a lot of people have this impression of Hagler being a come-forward pressure fighter.
     
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    Hopkins' biggest wins like Haglers at 160 are against guys moving up.
     

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