Biggest effort and NON effort while LOSING their FIRST title fight.

[BOSS]

Complicated enough? Watch people willl mess it up but anyway here's the deal. Little Jimmy (just an example don't boxrec little jimmy)wants to be a boxer so he trains his whole life moves up the rankings sheds sweat blood and tears and finally his first title shot comes. Something he's been dreaming about for 20 years. He loses the fight but did he give his all or his none ? List both cases.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

The first two to pop into my mind

Effort: Zeljko Mavrovic
None effort: Audley Harrison

[whiskey]

David Haye for the first scenario.

[Jesus of montreal]

hard to beat tua for non-effort

[whiskey]

hard to beat tua for non-effort

David Tua is fat.

[Pascals Wager]

hard to beat tua for non-effort

I'd like to also point out that he's fat.

[whiskey]

I'd like to also point out that he's fat.

[Pascals Wager]

Snap! (Both @ 3.04).

[Destruction and Mayhem]

hard to beat tua for non-effort

He gets a bad rap for the Lewis fight, but truthfully Lewis is very tall and has a ridiculous reach. Tua is 5'9 with T-Rex arms. Stylistically it was impossible for Tua to be able to do anything as long as Lewis fought tall.

[Ramonza Soliloquies]

He gets a bad rap for the Lewis fight, but truthfully Lewis is very tall and has a ridiculous reach. Tua is 5'9 with T-Rex arms. Stylistically it was impossible for Tua to be able to do anything as long as Lewis fought tall.

Perhaps, but what honest effort did Tua make to prevent that?

Tua has that despicable quality which so evenly defines Pacific Islanders. NO DETERMINATION.

[Neil]

Perhaps, but what honest effort did Tua make to prevent that?

Tua has that despicable quality which so evenly defines Pacific Islanders. NO DETERMINATION.

yes that pacquiao sure lacks determination. racist!

[Destruction and Mayhem]

yes that pacquiao sure lacks determination. racist!

Pacquiao isn't considered a Pacific Islander

[D MAN]

Perhaps, but what honest effort did Tua make to prevent that?

Tua has that despicable quality which so evenly defines Pacific Islanders. NO DETERMINATION.

I've never thought of Pacific Islanders as lacking determination in sports, in fact quite the opposite in many cases, seems like a poor generalization to me.

[Destruction and Mayhem]

Perhaps, but what honest effort did Tua make to prevent that?

Tua has that despicable quality which so evenly defines Pacific Islanders. NO DETERMINATION.

This post sounds a little prejudice, Ramonza. You're Portuguese, don't forget that, don't get caught up in the racist Austrailian metality towards non-whites.

[Ramonza Soliloquies]

This post sounds a little prejudice, Ramonza. You're Portuguese, don't forget that, don't get caught up in the racist Austrailian metality towards non-whites.

I wouldnt rush to judgement for judgements' sake on this one. I wouldnt be saying what Im saying if this were my experience with the majority of Islanders. After all, a lot of Aussies in Sydney take a dim view of the sizeable Lebanese community we have - pack-mentality cowards, thugs, violent, rapists etc - & sure, there is a big element of that which really hurts their image - but I cant prejudice them because I understand it for what it is - some letting others down.

However, Sydney has a massive Fijian/Tongan/Maori/Samoan population - & in all my years, I cannot recall seeing one - not one! - who wasnt clinically obese and adoptive of a lazy attitude toward any kind of work. I'll leave aside the two other popular stereotypes Sydney has toward them, but this one has proven infallible beyond exception. David Tua ir allegedly an elite athlete, or was, but he was rarely, rarely able to keep his weight down, because its his culture, as an islander (he is either Samoan or Tongan from memory) to over-eat massively & just avoid the hard yards. In the protective bubble of having rare motivation, as an athlete does, he received some protection from that. However it is said a man cannot hide from who he is inside the ring - & like Golota, Tua was exposed by Lewis. I think if you had been here the many years I have, & been confronted with the amazing consistency I have, I dare say youd have the same ideas.