Chavez Jr misses post fight drug test....

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  1. Hex-One

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    I thought Chavez Jr looked decent Saturday night and gave him props for the first time. Now I understand he misses a post fight drug test and refuses to answer questions about it. This raises some serious questions and if I were Rubio I would fight this until the end.

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  2. Jimmy

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    Sounds dodgy.
     
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  4. Double L

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    It's a joke. HBO should be ashamed of itself for being every bit complicit in manufacturing this guy as Arum is. The guy's a complete sham. The size advantage he enjoys in the ring means he can be anywhere from 25-50% as good as his opponent and still walk through them. And even then, he's faced crappy competition, with Rubio, a mere tune-up for Pavlik years back, a supposed big step up for Jr.

    What a fucking joke.

    It's funny because Steward, in Chavez Jr.'s defense, talked about the fact he hadn't had a amateur career, and that for this reason, his lack of a single top opponent is understandable. Fine. But half the guy's fights have been on HBO or PPV. So basically, HBO has used up spots for amateur boxing?

    HBO needs to pull the plug on this Chavez Jr. bit. It's gotten ridiculous.
     
  5. Trplsec

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    Chavez struggles to make weight and then avoids a post fight piss test.

    Seems innocent enough to me.
     
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    These areas have been drained. Thanks to the open and frank nature of discussion on this forum, myself and steveE_davE were working on this matter as of Sunday. :laugh11:
     
  7. Nobleart

    Nobleart Narwhal King

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    So, I'm assuming the concern is that he took some laxative that has been banned.
     
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    The concern is that he missed the test. As of now, that's the only concern, and thats as much detail its should be taking on. I say that out of both fairness and a desire to not see this dressed up prematurely as a "Oh, it was probably just a laxative" kind of thing. By that same token, I doubt he was taking anything anabolic.
     
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    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    The diuretic found in his system when he got suspended a couple of years ago is also used as a masking agent to hide other drugs.

    Not saying it's why Chavez Jr used it last time (or even that he used anything this time), but it's become a common use in sports. And even as a Chavez fan, there's every reason to suspect he cut several corners in order to make weight for this fight. The fact that no post-fight drug test was administered only heightens such suspicions.

    The only question I had when reporting on it was whether or not Rubio would have a beef over the absence of drug test, if he had won the fight.
     
  10. Double L

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    Why would he? Of course he wouldn't care. What does that prove? I think the obvious implication of Rubio's complaint is that he lost the fight BECAUSE Chavez was using something. Take that away, and why would he care whether there were a test or not?
     
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    Nobody cares what the other guy was on if you win.
     
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    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    It was a rhetorical question, Double L. Calm down.
     
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    ludicrous



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    ...........and that's why the fight was in Texas.

    :shit:
     
  15. *Z*

    *Z* WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I love how Suliaman says "We forgot" when asked about Chavez not leaving a sample. WE? Really?
     
  16. Nobleart

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    Wasn't there open scoring during this fight? Why did Rubio have his arms raised at the end?

    Was it only Chavez's corner who had open scoring?

    The conspiracy deepens. Muldur, Scully, where are you?

    :goodnews:
     
  17. Double L

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    okay. :doh:
     
  18. Double L

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    And Lederman mentioned that - making the point that there is no open scoring in the U.S. And that despite appearances, the fight did not take place in Mexico, but rather in the U.S.
     
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    Open scoring is actually only revealed after the 4th and 8th rounds. In the US they don't truly allow open scoring, but the WBC reps does inform each corner and they have to sign the scorecard verifying they were informed, just so there's no conspiracy theory afterward.
     
  20. Irish

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    Doesn't anyone remember when the "traditional anthem" of the functional-weight-advantage-having Ortiz was sung?? :laugh11:

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  21. Nobleart

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    That's a bit confusing. There's no open scoring, but the corners are shown the score?

    So it's open scoring to the corners, but not the fans? :scratcher:
     
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    I know, I don't get it either. And quite honestly, I've never heard of even that part of it being practiced anywhere in the US other than Saturday's fight.
     
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    seriously? fcked up if you ask me.
     
  24. Trplsec

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    Well, you gotta admit that open scoring is helpful in the event your protected fighter falls behind. Then you can signal the ref to intervene to even things back out.

    It's all good.
     
  25. Irish

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    Oh yeah, Mexican anthem for a US Citizen. Something to do with heritage.
     
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    There's so many reasons open scoring is bad. And the funny thing is, I don't even understand the up-side. It's not clear what if anything it does to protect against corruption.
     
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    I often have defended Chavez Jr. but this, if true, is outrageous
     
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    It certainly doesn't prevent bad score cards if that one judge in the Donaire fight is any indication.


    :shit:
     
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    Steve Bunce was all over that one :lol: He immediately jumped on the scores and had a giggle at how "you are always in with a shout my son as a Puerto Rican fighting for a WBO title" :laugh11:

    He also complemented Colonel Bob Sheridan for not apologizing to the viewers for the bad language being used in some of the undercard fights {especially that <strike>8 rounder</strike> six rounder }
     
  30. Jesus of montreal

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    Still, it was a pretty weird rethorical question.

    BTW not that it,s anything new, but sulumain is one of the worst pos in the sport. We forgot, yeah really. the guy should be suspended fopr negligence
     
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