Who wins this round robin?

[Pascals Wager]

Frazier beats Holy-Conditioning.
Overall, I'd say Louis or Frazier. Marciano last.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Frazier beats Holy-Conditioning.
Overall, I'd say Louis or Frazier. Marciano last.

Yeah, Marciano has too many hail-mary moments in his career for my liking, hard to see him getting the lucky breaks often enough in a round robin to win it.

I liken Frazier to a bigger version of Marciano with a few differences, I actually think Marciano did a few things better- he may have been a bit harder to hit, his crouch might top Joe's head-movement thing, and he might have been a bit more two-fisted. Not enough to beat Joe two times out of two though.

[REEDsART]

I said that continuously about Frazier in a fight with Vitali Klitschko, but nobody seemed interested. Frazier got hurt by everyone but, bar Foreman, he put it on everybody he ever fought. They all paid a price.

What, if Anything, Does that have to Do w/REED Or the Topic @ Hand???...

REED Thinks MORE of Frazier than Most Guys in this Thread Do...But the Thing is, Holyfield was CONSIDERABLY TALLER (About the Same Height as Ali & Foreman), had a GREAT Chin, would B Right Around the Same WEIGHT as Frazier & Would Conceivably B STRONGER...Not to Mention More MOBILE, More ATHLETIC, a Better COMBINATION Puncher, More SKILLED, etc....

Like Holyfield, Joe Frazier WAS NOT a "Big" Heavyweight, Per Se...If U Could Manage to PUSH Frazier Back &/or OFFSET his Left Hook (to SOME Degree), MORE than Half of the Battle was ALREADY Won...Holyfield was QUITE Capable of Mid-Fight Adjustments (The ENTIRETY of Tyson-Holyfield I was a Testament to Evander's Ability to ADJUST & Be SMART, yet Aggressive)...He Could Certainly MINIMIZE the Number of Left Hooks he Ate from Frazier...Even as he Whipped Tyson's Ass, Holy was Cognizant of GRABBING Mike's Arms....Not to Mention the "Cagey" Use of the Headbutts...

It's Funny, Guys like Doub Portray Human SPONGES like Margarita as "Subtle Scientists", but Evander Holyfield Actually WAS one...Obviously, Foreman was the Absolute WORST Matchup for Frazier, Stylistically...But REED Thinks Holyfield just Might MATCHUP w/Frazier Better than Even Ali Did....


REED

[KaukipRrr]

Yeah, Marciano has too many hail-mary moments in his career for my liking, hard to see him getting the lucky breaks often enough in a round robin to win it.

I liken Frazier to a bigger version of Marciano with a few differences, I actually think Marciano did a few things better- he may have been a bit harder to hit, his crouch might top Joe's head-movement thing, and he might have been a bit more two-fisted. Not enough to beat Joe two times out of two though.

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