Roberto Duran vs Juan Manuel Marquez

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Duran by dec

it'S probaly getting ugly for JMM late

Chavez beats duran tough, his straighter punched would land before Duan looping shots

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Duran Chavez would be a similar fight to Floyd Marquez.

Chavez doesn't have one advantage, or the style to trouble Duran. It would be a 1 sided fight.

Bullshit!

I'm a HUGE Duran fan, and there's no doubt he beats Chavez, but it wouldn't be a blow out.

Chavez would be competitive, but in the end a clear loser. Duran's far superior speed, and defense would be the difference.

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Chavez was too good and too complete and tough a fighter at his best to really lose big against anybody, and that includes Duran.

I don't doubt that Duran would win, but the idea that it would be anything other than a hard-fought, competitive fight is flat out crazy to me.

I don't care what great lightweight you are throwing out there... nobody's having an easy night against Chavez and most people lose.

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Name one advantage Chavez has, one.

Everything in the fight is in favour of Duran, size, power, speed, strength, infighting, defense, literally everything, even chin and stamina.

That's why it's similar to Floyd vs Marquez, as good a fighter as Marquez is, he was up against a guy who he held not one advantage over.

Duran vs Chavez would not be competitive, Chavez would come forward and get bludgeoned and schooled by the stronger, faster, craftier, harder to hit Duran.

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Name one advantage Chavez has, one.

Everything in the fight is in favour of Duran, size, power, speed, strength, infighting, defense, literally everything, even chin and stamina.

That's why it's similar to Floyd vs Marquez, as good a fighter as Marquez is, he was up against a guy who he held not one advantage over.

Duran vs Chavez would not be competitive, Chavez would come forward and get bludgeoned and schooled by the stronger, faster, craftier, harder to hit Duran.

He was a better fighter than the aids infested Dejesus who beat the shit out of Duran. I am glad I have finally stepped out of my imposes silence on DURAN. I have to thank Ugo. I am the Stalin to his Lenin. I am sick and tired of the unjustified Duran nuthuggery. He got into the head of a superior fighter in SRL and then couldn't do anything once SRl used his vastly superior skill.

It is an insult to the Fab 4 to include the vastly inferior Duran. It should be the fab 3 and a overrated rapist who violated ever rule in the book and his nuthuggers call it skill.

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Name one advantage Chavez has, one.

Everything in the fight is in favour of Duran, size, power, speed, strength, infighting, defense, literally everything, even chin and stamina.

That's why it's similar to Floyd vs Marquez, as good a fighter as Marquez is, he was up against a guy who he held not one advantage over.

Duran vs Chavez would not be competitive, Chavez would come forward and get bludgeoned and schooled by the stronger, faster, craftier, harder to hit Duran.

Duran had trouble with fighters who couldn't carry Chavez's jock. Be sensible here. Put him in as one of the challengers during Duran's reign and he's absolutely the best, better than DeJesus.

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Exactly, you can't name one advantage Chavez has, because he doesn't have any

Can you imagine Chavez moving to WW and fighting a prime, undefeated Leonard? He would get raped. He was not in Duran's league in terms of ability or even size.

And to clarify, Duran had mild struggles with fighters who were completely different to Chavez stylistically, guys like Viruet, and it was generally an unmotivated Duran too that struggled against anyone, such as DeJesus 1.

Have a look at the DeJesus rematch and rubbermatch to see what a prime, pumped Duran can do, let alone the Palomino and Leonard fights.

When one fighter is bigger than the other, and has every conceivable advantage, including speed, it's generally a pretty 1 sided fight unless the smaller fighter has a particular style to trouble the bigger fighter, which Chavez didn't.

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Exactly, you can't name one advantage Chavez has, because he doesn't have any

IMO Chavez was the more precise puncher at close, plus his punches were a bit more compact. Also, even if Chavez didn't have an advantage in punching power, chin or mentality, he doesn't lose much in them either and thus Duran would NOT have easy time with him

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Well I actually disagree, Duran was just the looser looking fighter. He was extremely precise and technical on the inside, and very accurate.

But even if what you say is true, it's not enough of a reason to be competitive with a guy who holds every other advantage.

For example Marquez is a better combination puncher than Floyd, and is more keen on letting his hands go, didn't do him much good though, as he was up against a guy that was somewhat similar stylistically, but better in every other area.

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Bringing up the Dejesus fight to support JCC's chances are lame, because that was a PRE-PRIME Duran that lost to Dejesus, in a non-title bout, and Dejesus and Chavez's styles were NOTHING alike.

The Duran of the third Dejesus fight, THAT was Duran at his peak. Chavez does NOT beat that Duran. Gives him a tough fight, yes. But loses clearly.

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Bringing up the Dejesus fight to support JCC's chances are lame, because that was a PRE-PRIME Duran that lost to Dejesus, in a non-title bout, and Dejesus and Chavez's styles were NOTHING alike.

The Duran of the third Dejesus fight, THAT was Duran at his peak. Chavez does NOT beat that Duran. Gives him a tough fight, yes. But loses clearly.

I absolutely agree, even forgetting pre prime or that Duran clearly underestimated him, they are really different stylistically.

I agree peak Duran was late 70's, he was a pure, unadulterated fighting machine, and a fucking strong, beefy lightweight too.

Chavez doesn't give him a fight though, he just doesn't. Personally I think Chavez is incredibly overrated, but I do acknowledge he was a very good fighter, with that said he matches up horribly with Duran, he would get butchered, even by the early 70's version.

Whitaker, the guy who schooled Chavez, would give Duran a very tough fight, Chavez wouldn't, he's be outsped, outsmarted, outmuscled, and he would find Duran very, very difficult to hit compared to vice versa.

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Well I actually disagree, Duran was just the looser looking fighter. He was extremely precise and technical on the inside, and very accurate.

But even if what you say is true, it's not enough of a reason to be competitive with a guy who holds every other advantage.

For example Marquez is a better combination puncher than Floyd, and is more keen on letting his hands go, didn't do him much good though, as he was up against a guy that was somewhat similar stylistically, but better in every other area.

Excellent expression in Duran's case

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Excellent expression in Duran's case

Ugo, if you hate holding so much (and i agree with you in this), how come it doesn't bother you that much in Wlad's case? He's a much worse offender in this regard and you're still a pretty big fan of his.

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Exactly, you can't name one advantage Chavez has, because he doesn't have any

Can you imagine Chavez moving to WW and fighting a prime, undefeated Leonard? He would get raped. He was not in Duran's league in terms of ability or even size.

And to clarify, Duran had mild struggles with fighters who were completely different to Chavez stylistically, guys like Viruet, and it was generally an unmotivated Duran too that struggled against anyone, such as DeJesus 1.

Have a look at the DeJesus rematch and rubbermatch to see what a prime, pumped Duran can do, let alone the Palomino and Leonard fights.

When one fighter is bigger than the other, and has every conceivable advantage, including speed, it's generally a pretty 1 sided fight unless the smaller fighter has a particular style to trouble the bigger fighter, which Chavez didn't.

I agree, only because Chavez fought with skill and within the rules. If you gave him PCP and let him hold, headutt, nut hit and foul he may have. It is harder to be Pacquiao than Mayweather. It IS HARDER TO FIGHT LEGAL. Duran fought like a drunken octopus only that may have been watchable. Also, I am not sure Octopussies are homos like Duran.

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Ugo, if you hate holding so much (and i agree with you in this), how come it doesn't bother you that much in Wlad's case? He's a much worse offender in this regard and you're still a pretty big fan of his.

I am at least consistent. I hate holders and runners. Once fighter, Pernell Whitaker did both. It isn't his fault. The officials allow fighters like Duran,Whitaker, Ruiz, Slopkins, Wald Pussy and Sergio Pussy break the rules without punishment.