Escobedo Quit: Why Hasn't He Gotten Shit?

[Muzse]

Curious question...Escobedo definitely quit against Broner. Why hasn't he gotten the same treatment other fighters have?

You clearly see Escobedo look at his corner prior to Broner's last flurry as if to say he wanted out. He then went into a defensive shell when Broner started the final flurry.

Why hasn't Escobedo received the same amount of shit other guys have?

Seems like all the vitrol is directed toward Broner. Vincente accepted the fight, knowing what he was getting into.

He wasn't taking the beating other guys have and certainly didn't emerge injured anywhere near the level Ortiz was in the Lopez or Maidana fights.

[steve_dave]

Because it wasn't a fair fight and he was getting handled easily.

This isn't a serious question?

[StingerKarl]

The kid was a lot bigger than Escobedo was, but still, I was disappointed in Escobedo's effort.

The stoppage reminded me a bit of Frazier-Quarry 2 when Gil Clancy refused to throw in the towel and Jerry was looking for it, but he got his ass kicked big time in that one by Joe.

[Muzse]

Because it wasn't a fair fight and he was getting handled easily.

This isn't a serious question?

He accepted the terms and agreed to the fight. he wasn't getting handled any worse than say Marquez was against Floyd. Floyd missed weight and paid Marquez $600,000.

Once he made the decision to step into the ring the "unfair" argument flies out the window.

[loadedgloves]

He accepted the terms and agreed to the fight. he wasn't getting handled any worse than say Marquez was against Floyd. Floyd missed weight and paid Marquez $600,000.

Once he made the decision to step into the ring the "unfair" argument flies out the window.

Not quite the same, Floyd & Marquez were fighting in the welterweight division and Floyd made the welterweight limit. The catchweight money was a pre-existing and established contractual clause that Floyd chose to utilize, Marquez wouldn't have had the option to walk over the weight.

[Muzse]

Not quite the same, Floyd & Marquez were fighting in the welterweight division and Floyd made the welterweight limit. The catchweight money was a pre-existing and established contractual clause that Floyd chose to utilize, Marquez wouldn't have had the option to walk over the weight.

Floyd was three pounds over the 144 weight limit Marquez had agreed to.

The difference in weight is exactly the same and at the end of the day, Broner and Floyd both came out of their pocket to ensure the fight went on.

It's exactly the same situation in terms of the weigh-in weight differential.

The "unfair" aspect of the fight relates to the disparity in weight. That's the argument I keep hearing. Therefore, the situations are exactly the same.

[Irish 2002/2003]

Escobedo gets a pass because the showy fucker with the fat dad and the follicular issues is occupying all of our attention right now. Get it? Good.

[loadedgloves]

Floyd was three pounds over the 144 weight limit Marquez had agreed to.

The difference in weight is exactly the same and at the end of the day, Broner and Floyd both came out of their pocket to ensure the fight went on.

It's exactly the same situation in terms of the weigh-in weight differential.

The "unfair" aspect of the fight relates to the disparity in weight. That's the argument I keep hearing. Therefore, the situations are exactly the same.

Wrong. Marquez agreed to a WELTERWEIGHT fight with a $300k per lb over a catchweight of 144 lbs (Floyd was 2 lb over, not 3). It was contractually stipulated BEFORE the fight, Marquez signed the contract with the understanding that he would take the compensation and not walk, up to the 147 lb limit. That was not the case here. If Floyd had exceeded the 147 lb limit, that would have been a different matter. Also, needless to say

a) Floyd didn't drain 2 lb simply because he didn't have to and didn't feel like it.

b) Unlike Escobedo, Marquez wasn't struggling to cut weight.

[mexican wedding shirt]

The scenarios are definitely different. Marquez was just horrendously undersized at welter, he obviously wouldn't have struggled to make the weight in the slightest, he came in at 142 ffs.

The difference is Broner and Escobedo both would have struggled to make 130, and Broner made his opponent struggle 3.5 pounds more, while he evidently didn't even bother making the weight and weakening himself.

[joony]

escobedo is mediocre and no one could've given a shit even if this was a fair fight. fighters quit often, that's a fact.

for one, i'm not all that opposed to fighters quitting when they're getting their asses handed to 'em, especially in an instance when a guy is already accomsplished and has shown toughness in the past.

i still can't believe all that shit tszyu received for retiring in his stool vs. hatton.

although freitas bitched out against juan diaz, i didn't really blame him for quitting against corrales especially when he was hitting the deck over and over w/ explosive shots.

[mikE]

escobedo is mediocre and no one could've given a shit even if this was a fair fight. fighters quit often, that's a fact.

for one, i'm not all that opposed to fighters quitting when they're getting their asses handed to 'em, especially in an instance when a guy is already accomsplished and has shown toughness in the past.

i still can't believe all that shit tszyu received for retiring in his stool vs. hatton.

although freitas bitched out against juan diaz, i didn't really blame him for quitting against corrales especially when he was hitting the deck over and over w/ explosive shots.

Agree. (although I thought tszyu won the round before he quit and only had 3 more minutes to go)

Have at it, Musze. This can be your signature issue.

[loadedgloves]

The difference is Broner and Escobedo both would have struggled to make 130, and Broner made his opponent struggle 3.5 pounds more, while he evidently didn't even bother making the weight and weakening himself.

Yup. That is unfair and a bitch move on Broner's part, especially with him tweeting pics of ice cream bars and twinkies a week out from the fight.

[Muzse]

escobedo is mediocre and no one could've given a shit even if this was a fair fight. fighters quit often, that's a fact.

for one, i'm not all that opposed to fighters quitting when they're getting their asses handed to 'em, especially in an instance when a guy is already accomsplished and has shown toughness in the past.

i still can't believe all that shit tszyu received for retiring in his stool vs. hatton.

although freitas bitched out against juan diaz, i didn't really blame him for quitting against corrales especially when he was hitting the deck over and over w/ explosive shots.

I'm in agreement with you. My point is, why has Escobedo been given a pass when guys have taken far more punishment and stayed in longer than he did.

The truth of the matter is what Irish said...it's easier to point fingers at Broner than discuss Escobedo's blatant quitting.

Truth be told, I don't have an issue with it seeing as he was outgunned...the same as I didn't have an issue with Ortiz pulling the plug instead of continuing on with a jaw broken in two places.

"HOWEVER"

Guys were all over Ortiz for quitting...all over Tszyu for quitting and yet somehow Escobedo, who didn't take a 10th of the punishment either of those guy did and yet he gets a free ride.

That's what I'm trying to ascertain.

Why is that.

Lastly, fair fight my ass. Once he sold himself out for the extra monsy all entitlement to use that as an excuse went out the window.

[joony]

I'm in agreement with you. My point is, why has Escobedo been given a pass when guys have taken far more punishment and stayed in longer than he did.

The truth of the matter is what Irish said...it's easier to point fingers at Broner than discuss Escobedo's blatant quitting.

Truth be told, I don't have an issue with it seeing as he was outgunned...the same as I didn't have an issue with Ortiz pulling the plug instead of continuing on with a jaw broken in two places.

"HOWEVER"

Guys were all over Ortiz for quitting...all over Tszyu for quitting and yet somehow Escobedo, who didn't take a 10th of the punishment either of those guy did and yet he gets a free ride.

That's what I'm trying to ascertain.

Why is that.

Lastly, fair fight my ass. Once he sold himself out for the extra monsy all entitlement to use that as an excuse went out the window.

my point is that escobedo could've quit had this fight been at 135 or 140, and no one would've given two shits about it because escobedo is not very good.

this is a guy who lost to michael katsidis for christ sake!

[Irish 2002/2003]

Escobedo should have quietly quit at the end of the 1st round, grabbed his nutsack, showed his weener to Mrs Broner and told everybody to go and fuck themselves and their mother. That way he'd have gotten paid AND everyone would have known what a sham it was to begin with. Instead he made a good fight of it and allowed Broner to pass the evening off as a competitive event and still he gets shit from "fans" over his performance? I'd have twisted my ankle after 90 seconds and then walked home.