Underrated greats

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  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    Remember, not underrating fighters in general. They have to be greats. Which are underrated? I'd nominate Michael Spinks. For some reason when people mention greats like Charles, Moore, or even Hagler, Monzon, Chavez ect., for some reason Spinks name is often neglected in that conversation, even though he's perhaps the best lightheavyweight ever. Spinks is easily a top 12-15ish all time great, yet isn't appreciated as such. I guess the blow out to Tyson is really all people remember him for.

    Who's another underrated great?
     
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    It's magnified by the facts it was such a hyped fight and Spinks retired right after.

    Others:

    Eder Jofre
    Emile Griffith
     
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    I don't know enough about either man to comment, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone so much as type the names "Pascual Perez" or "Manuel Ortiz" on the board... Yet they were both by all accounts dominant, and objectively long reigning champions in their respective divisions


    In Perez's case, I'd say it's mostly because he was a Flyweight... Ortiz? I don't know the reason
     
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    Wasn't anything more for him to accomplish. He cleaned out 175 and ruled their for years, and upset Holmes for the lineal title. Something Moore, Charles, and Foster could never pull off.
     
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    Not much footage of either man, either... I've seen what little there is of each
     
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    I'm saying that's why he's most remembered for the Tyson loss, not that he sucks cocks in hell.
     
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    Cervantes is underrated as well. One of the truly best 140 pounders of all time.
     
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    Buddy McGirt
     
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    Tommy Loughran could be one. Dominated in an era when boxing already resembled boxing yet is little known these days
     
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    In what world is Buddy McGirt a great?
     
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    Good one... Definitely an elite technical fighter for the era and at worst decent for any era
     
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    What also hurts Spinks' image (and I was a fan of his) is that after he was lucky to get past Holmes in their rematch is that he sat on his title and avoided all real challenges while waiting to cash out on the Tyson fight...which almost everyone, including Spinks, knew he was gonna lose.
     
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    When i saw your name I was sure you were going to say something else :lol: Well done.
     
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    way ahead of his time... Ranks with Tunney, Leonard, Dempsey, Sharkey and one or two others as one of the really elite skilled fighters of the 1920s, when boxing started to become boxing
     
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    McGirt was a good champion for this time, but I can't see anyway he qualifies as a "great".
     
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    Definitely... Had a lot to do with people forgetting how great he'd been at 175
     
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    http://images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/t_full/v1364529133/attachment/pascual-perez-card.jpg
     
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    Esubio Pedroza. He is rarely mentioned anymore, but I was unhappy that Sanchez seemed to have no interest in a fight with him.
     
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    a pick-em, IMO

    Pedroza was a filthy cunt, but he was a great champion
     
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    Marcel Cerdan is one. Fought over hundred times and lost only four. He could only compete for the title when he was 32 because of WWII but when he got the chance he defeated Tony Zale. He lost to LaMotta when he dislocated his left arm in the first round, yet he still fought pretty evenly with Jake for seven rounds before Lamotta took over and he had to quit. Before the rematch he got killed in flying accident
     
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    :lol: :lol:

    It crossed my mind to throw his name in there but we all know how the thread would have gone :lol:
     
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    No doubt. Wonderful fighter.
     
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    Death and the fact that he had only a couple of years where he was fighting world-level comp contributed to Cerdan being kind of forgotten

    You could certainly make a case that Jake LaMotta is very underrated, at least here... The guy is basically treated like he was some masochistic punching bag who sucked... I think jaws or someone as gay as jaws tried to say Carlos Baldomir would have killed him... says it all, really
     
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    and so unusual... a 5'11 bantamweight
     
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    Doh! I was just gonna mention LaMotta after the Cerdan post.
     
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    Harold Johnson is another one. A great fighter who had the misfortune of not being quite as good as Archie Moore.
     
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    I think LaMotta gets his due to be fair. A lot of that has to do with the fact he was the first guy to beat Robinson and his depiction in a great film, but he's never struck me as underrated.
     

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