Did Margarito really cheat the system?

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  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    I hate the guy aa much as anyone, but even I sometimes wonder.......... is every commission THAT fucking incompetent that Marg loaded his gloves his whole career? When do yall think it started?
     
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    I don't know about his whole career, but once he started getting big fights. I didn't want to believe just like I didn't want to believe steroids in baseball. Just look at the before and after results. Nobody is hitting homers as far or as often as Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds anymore, and Margarito just did not seem to have anywhere near the affect on opponents after he got caught.
     
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    He cheated after a certain point.

    How many guys have recorded stoppages with opponents so badly damaged, facially.

    Lujans ear, Kyevelos face, Cottos face....then the wraps come off and its his face that starts getting busted up.
     
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    We may as well address Tito here as well.
     
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    Maybe Margarito started loading his gloves after the Williams loss.
     
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    Tito never loaded his gloves. So no, he deserves no mention here.
     
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    Sure about that X? Because some of the same circumstantial evidence against Margarito applies to Tito as well.
     
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    several guys Ive spoken to say that almost every trainer does what capetillo did, using an insert in the fight wraps that had been previously used during sparring.
     
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    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    Margarito's behaviour (shaking hands with his wraps on after the Cotto fight, freely volunteering his right hand to be checked in the dressing room before the Mosley fight) leads me to believe that if there was some shady business going on, Margarito didn't know about it.

    Obviously, unless there's some sort of confession, we'll never know either way.
     
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    Didnt richardson say it was hard a rock?
     
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    You guys must not get what I'm saying - if commissions are THAT Incompetent that Marg could get through years of cheating, then how many other guys in history could have loaded their gloves without getting caught? I don't think that Marg's trainer was some cheating phenom. If he could go years without getting caught, so could others.

    I dunno......... I know it's not popular at all to say this but, maybe the one time he tried is the one time he got caught........
     
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    I honestly cant see him doing what he did to cotto's face, without something funny in those wraps.
     
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    Nah, it was wet, plaster of paris type of substance
     
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    Well wet plaster of Paris sets hard in about 20 minutes.
     
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    That's what I argued for years. If it was some barely known club fighters, then maybe. But I just can't believe Carpetillo was able to fool some many world trainers unless the advantage was really marginal. Plus, as I already pointed out, Nevada provides material for the pads on fight night, so it would have taken an unbelivable amount of incompetence from Cotto teams and Nevada's inspector not to notice the switch.
     
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    It was well documented BEFORE the Mosley fight that Margarito was having a shitty training camp. He came in way heavier than usual. Maybe that's the first time he thought he needed an edge. Who knows.
     
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    Maybe. But like i said. I cant see what he did to cotto's face and think it was natural. Margarito doesn't hit that hard.
     
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    Possibly. Cotto busts up though. Pacquiao re-arranged his face too.
     
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    Yeah after the Margarito fight where is face was tenderized the whole night. His face was never the same. Prior to that did you ever see Cotto's face like that? Did you see his face like that in the rematch?
     
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    Not so sure. Cotto ALWAYS marked up, fairly easy.

    Not to the degree of the Margarito fight but he was always prone I swelling.
     
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    Which fight prior to the Margarito fight did you seem him swell like that?
     
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    The rematch doesn't tell me anything. Margarito was a one eyed fighter. Not the same man, wraps or no.
     
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    I'm not saying he wasn't loaded for Cotto in 2008, I just like the balance these threads with reasonable points of view from the other side.
     
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    As corrupt as boxing sometimes can be, the one I thing I think is extremely hard to get away with is getting loaded gloves past a major commission.

    And Cotto vs Margarito was the biggest fight of 08 and took place in Vegas, the biggest/most strict commission there is.

    I'm skeptical that they could have snuck loaded gloves into that fight. Not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE, but the popular opinion is that Tony's wraps were DEFINITELY loaded in the first Cotto fight. I'm not 100% convinced.
     
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    Me neither. The guy was shaking hands in the ring after the fight with his wraps on. I'd be hiding the fuck out of some illegal wraps.

    This isn't like the time Ottke loaded his wraps for the Joe Gatti fight and refused to take his gloves off in the ring afterward.
     
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    No matter how many times you read this it still seems incomprehensible :mut:
     
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    I tend to believe this was going on for a little while, but Margarito being somewhat of a simpleton, probably wasn't aware of, or cared what Capetillo was doing. Margarito was a meal ticket, and nothing more. I think we have a Panama Lewis situation here.

    I don't think we're talking about a glove full of plaster of paris either. Just a slightly wet wrap with a tiny bit of hardening agent. It doesn't take much to make a difference. Billy Collins got fucked up badly, just from a little bit of padding taken out of Resto's gloves by Panama Lewis.
     
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    He landed a lot of shots tho.
     
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    I can dig that. This discussion is a lot more level headed around here than it was a few years ago.

    For the record, I think Margarito should have been banned for life. I'm not a big Margarito guy.
     

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