The time for GGG to move up to 168 has come!

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  1. Jimmy

    Jimmy The Greatest of Are Times

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    Now I think Golovkin NEEDS to move up. Wade was such easy work it was ridiculous. The Canelo fight isn't going to happen. Time is not on his side. Easy work, easy money now for Triple G. Last night's fight was embarrassing to be honest. GGG was in cruise mode, aimed to please the fans, was not troubled one bit. Too damn easy. The move up to 168 will ask questions of him. Thing is, he's too comfortable at the weight and from listening to his post fight interview, he's staying put where he is.
     
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    It is a two-sided sword.

    GGG is not a big middleweight, it is his division and he rules it easily. Why should he move up anymore than Monzon or Hagler did?

    On the other hand, middleweight is so empty now that to gain a real legacy he needs to do something more. Otherwise he will be one of those 'what if' -guys forever
     
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    Jimmy The Greatest of Are Times

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    He's going to be one of those 'what if' guys though the way things are going. Honestly, he's just going to keep on feasting on absolute shite. Maybe the time will come when he takes his eye off the ball, when things become so ridiculously routine he gets a wake up call and gets beat. Who knows.
     
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    Hagler didn't "need" to move to Middleweight even though he feasted mainly on bums and blown up smaller fighters. Joe Louis got away with his bum of the month title reign. GGG needs to stay right there and dominate until he retires. If the Canelo fight comes off he'll have a true test because Canelo is no pushover.
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    There are guys at 160 that GGG can still fight...Lee, Sanders, Jacobs and some others...NONE will increase his ALL TIME status(which HBO really trying to push)...but then you can say he CLEANED out the DIVISION...MOVING to 168 to fight a bunch of NOBODY's isn't GOING TO HELP.

    All the action is at 147-154...GGG needs to stay at 160...and clean that motherfucker out COMPLETELY...considering the level of his opponents he needs to fight every 2 months or so...HBO is really trying to build up GGG as some world beater...."P4P one of the greatest MIDDLEWEIGHTS of all time"??? GTFOH...


    When Lemieux and Rosado are among your TOP 5 opponents...you haven't DONE SHIT in BOXING to deserve the hype...
     
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    whiskey Czarcasm

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    If 168 was loaded I would agree but it's not all that much better currently than 160 in terms of names. Golovkin should stay at middleweight and rack up the title defenses. Hopefully the 180 pound guy who's not a "true middleweight" will find the cojones to get in the ring to prove who is the best.
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Here is my thing with GGG......it is SAID by many that NOBODY wants to fight him...that EVERYONE is afraid of HIM...

    BUt I can't see why guys like Jacobs, Sanders, Lee, even that chocolate bitch that got beat the otehr day.....WHY would they be afraid of losing to GGG? If he's as popular as HBO is trying to make us believe..a fight against GGG would be a HUGE PAYDAY for any of those guys....
     
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    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    People like to rag on Errol Spence, a young hungry LION with only 20 fights, for the lack of good opposition until the last guy he fought. Speaking of which...

    Is Errol Spence's win over a Chris Algieri on par with a win over a Geale? A Lemieux?
     
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    agREED...

    Considering his Age, GGG Doesn't Have Time to Play the WAITING Game he Did w/Cotto (& is Currently in the Midst of Playing w/Canelo)...In Lieu of BIG Fights, the EASIEST Way to Enhance Your Legacy is by MOVING UP a Weight Class...If GGG TRULY Gives a Fuck about his Legacy, that's Exactly What he'll Do...

    As Is, He's Among the More OVERHYPED Fighters in Boxing History, Based on Resume...




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    Beating Algieri is AS Big, for Certain, If Not BIGGER than Any Win GGG Has...& Spence is 8 Years YOUNGER, w/15 FEWER Bouts...





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    Leonard, Hearns and Duran Gave Hagler the Financial INCENTIVE to Remain @ Middleweight, in Between Beating the Likes of Antuofermo, Hamsho, Sibson, Roldan, etc...Maybe he'd have Remained @ 160 Anyways, Maybe Not...Monzon Wasn't Lacking for Quality Opponents Either...

    As You've Stated, GGG is Running the Risk of Being a "What If" Guy...





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  12. Jimmy

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    Another option is to accept the demands from team Canelo. Team Golovkin remain defiant on their stance to not take the fight at 155. It's 160 or nothing they're saying, but would it not be worth the risk? Is it a case of the risk outweighing the reward or vise-versa? As Floyd has said in the past, sometimes you have to make a sacrifice to achieve something. GGG's stock would rise and he'd be regarded as "the man" by many.
     
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    as long as hBO will pay him a couple million to kill these guys at middleweight then what incentive is there for him to move up and face similar level opponents 8 pounds north?

    i dont really think badou jack or zurdo ramirez increase his legacy. these are average fighters.
     
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    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Well there's no fight with Ward to be made at 168 now that he's gone up to 175.

    And Callum Smith is not yet established as the top guy in that division so there really is nowhere for Triple G to go.

    May as well try to get the Canelo fight and in the meantime clean up 160.
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    I said it before I say it again....fuck yall feelings...BOXERS get paid to damn MUCH.....GGG is getting millions for fighting these bums???? The cocksuckers at 147 are getting paid millions to AVOID each other?? Fuck THAT...

    Saunders, Jacobs, Lee....these fucker should be getting paid 100-300K..at MOST...GGG a million maybe..MAYBE...

    So when GGG comes around offering 1 million or 1.5 million to fight him...Jacobs..Lee..Saunders will be HUNGRY for IT.....

    When Canelo comes around with 8-15 million dollars to offer an opponent....GGG doesn't have a problem coming down to 154-157 to fight him....

    IF GGG is getting paid 3-5 million per bum....why would he risk that going to Canelo?

    If BUm ass Garcia, Thurman, Porter, etc...can make 2-5 million fighting bums...why would they step in the ring and get sodomize by Spence for an additional million???
     
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    Golovkin is getting 1.5 to 2 million to fight these guys his last few fights
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Still too much...
     
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    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Because those 3 are holding out for Floyd Mayweather or even Manny Pacquiao.

    Everyone one of those clowns is holding out for the possibility to be Floyd's number 50 and with the recent talk of Floyd picking Garcia for his September fight, I wouldn't even be shocked if that fight happened.

    Picking the weakest champion of the lot. Typical if it happens. I personally hope not. Floyd's legacy is cemented and he had one helluva career. Whats the point in coming back?
     
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    The point is money. He fights for money, if you haven't noticed.
     
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    hbo is the only reason this shit flies. golov is obviously not the first to milk an hbo contract. basically, he gets paid and has to pay his opponent out of his money. at least that is how it used to work. you think he is going to pick an opponent with large demands?

    i agree he needs to fight some real competition and fast. but i am not convinced moving to 168 is the answer.
     
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    GGG opposition makes rj lhw opponents look like a murderers row
     
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    Lol what would you say is the answer, 175?
    The guy is a natural mw IMO, but the division isn't especially strong apart from Canelo - who I am sure they would gladly surrender money/advantage to fight - and some guys affiliated with Al Haymon, and it seems to be more challenging to get those guys to commit to a non-PBC matchup regardless of the pot they are offered. I agree that he is in a bit of a rut at the moment however. Looking at the MW rankings, the following would be worthy-ish challenges who could be enticed if the money was enough - BJ Saunders, Chris Eubank Jr [I suspect that both Brits will ignore golovkin a la Eubank/Benn and Toney], Tureano Johnson. Maybe Haymon would sacrifice Quillin. The rest are affiliated with Haymon, rubbish or too inexperienced (murata, magomedov etc.).

    Its likely that he will be forced to go to 168, would be happy to see him against Degale, the Dirrells, Badour Jack, maybe Groves, not a whole lot else there however.
     
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    The time for the king of 155 to stop ducking Golov has come.
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    NO it hasn't......again these fucking guys MAKE TOO much...

    Some are born with a fanbase/popularity advantage.....good mexican/pr fighter / Latino fighters..
    Some like FLOYD have to be extra arrogant to make it....Broner, Thurman(tries)
    Some have to destroy..DESTROY..and DESTROY opponent to build up their fanbase...Tyson, Trinidad, GGG...

    Canelo got dominated in the biggest fight of his career...but sorta rekindle his career "beating" a natural nemesis(rican)....now he's fighting little ass glass chin Khan for MILLIONs...he can fight any of the guys at 147 right now...Maybe Floyd comes around for a rematch...maybe Pacquiao wants him, a rematch with Cotto in 2017 after one or two easy fight for Cotto is a possibility....

    CANELO has the world by the BALLS right now...he has OPTIONS.

    Canelo has dictated his terms to GGG...if GGG wants to make that big CANELO money he comes down to 155-157 whatever Ginger wants...and the fight can HAPPEN...

    SUCKS but that's the way it is.....and another thing other than Cotto and Ward..from 140-175 Canelo has the best RESUME......all them pussies at 147 waiting for the big fight instead of fighting each other...fuck 'em!
     
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    SportsNation (with Max Kellerman, Marcellus Wiley, and Michelle Beadle) just asked Sergei Kovalev if he would fight GGG
     
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    GGG doesn't need to go anywhere. He's a middleweight. So what if he's dominant?
     
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    In Sly's mind, Golov's middleweight comp is superior to Hagler's.
     
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    Not saying that at all. Even if his comp is shit, the issue is whether he's fighting the best available competition at his weight not whether he should move up in order to get challenged. If he's that much better than his opponents so be it.
     
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    Stoopid.
     
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    Golovkin should call out Kovalev @ 158. When Kovalev asks why not @ 160 GGG should say it's he's not a true middleweight and feels more comfortable at 158.
     

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