Spinks/Holmes II: Holmes 144-141 Leonard/Hagler: 114-114 Toney/McCallm I and II: Toney 116-112, then McCallum 114-113
What about Ali/Norton III? I had the same score as you for Holmes/Spinks II I had Hagler 115-113 against Leonard (my god, he must've been kicking himself for allowing pillow gloves, a comedy ring and a 12 round limit...) I had Toney 116-112 like you for fight 1 and I had him 115-113 in fight 2
Never watched Ali-Norton 3 in full. I thought Toney won the first McCallum fight clearly (great fight, good action with excellent skills on display) and the rematch could have gone either way. I thought Leonard-Hagler had some either-way rounds so a close win for either guy is fine with me. Jo Jo Guerra having Leonard up 10-2 is outrageous though. Just like that one ref had Paul Williams beating Sergio Martinez 119-110 in their first fight (which I also had 114-114). And yes, I'm sure Hagler and his team must have regretting making all those concessions in the negotiations for the extra couple million.
I had Leonard beating Hagler, 7 to 5. No controversy for me; Hagler gave away the first 4 rounds and Leonard won 3 others.
For once we can agree. I feel like only butt hurt Hagler fans/Leonard haters cry robbery. It was a razor close fight either way, but I always felt Ray edged it. Hagler groupies will have you thinking it was a Lara-Williams type decision.
I haven't seen any of these fights. Still waiting for more scorecards to arrive in my Pac-Bradley 1 thread.
As I recall- halger-leonard -draw (I was probably being generous to Ray) toney-McCallum -7-4-1 toney-McCallum ii - draw never watched the other two all the way thru
Hugh McIlvanney wrote a great piece about the Hagler/Leonard fight which I think mirrors a lot of my own thoughts on that bout... though obviously his thoughts are presented in a much more entertaining and erudite way than I could ever muster... "The Illusion of Victory" it was called
Thanks, I'll try to. http://www.si.com/vault/1987/04/20/...y-another-view-of-the-leonard-hagler-decision
Norton, should have been the champ for real Holmes by the narrowest of decisions Leonard, and it pains me to say that Toney wins both, the second was closer.
I think, even 15 odd years after the fact, I was influenced by the back story to the fight when I watched it in terms of Rays lay off, underdog status etc and that coloured my scoring. But, as unfair as it is, that was always gonna be part of that fight, and part of what hagler had to overcome. He tempted fate by not fighting with the urgency he needed to on a night which was a little bit more about ray's fate, or potential greatness, than his own. I reckon a draw would have been the ideal/fairest result (even though in the strictest sense I agree hagler probably did win more rounds! ::)
That hugh mclivanney boy sure can write. I'd highly recommend 'mclivanney on boxing' to anyone who doesn't own it, a really brilliant read
Norton rather clear Never watched it Leoneard, but Havent watched the fight in a thousand years, Toney won the first fight clearly. Second was very close
