A good Big'un beats a good Litle'un

Discussion in 'General Boxing Discussion' started by Destruction and Mayhem, Feb 1, 2017.

  1. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Old and famous adage in boxing but give me examples of when the opposite happened.

    In your examples it must big GOOD big fighters that lost to good little fighters..so don't give me Louis vs Carnera type examples.
     
  2. Ugotabe Kidding

    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2002
    Messages:
    17,162
    Likes Received:
    1,712
    Home Page:
    What happened to your original title of 'Let's review Floyd vs Canelo'?
     
  3. mikE

    mikE "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2004
    Messages:
    8,335
    Likes Received:
    67
    Hopkins over Tarver.
     
  4. mikE

    mikE "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2004
    Messages:
    8,335
    Likes Received:
    67
    Toney over Jirov.
     
  5. ILLUMINATI

    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2002
    Messages:
    32,878
    Likes Received:
    1,138
    ^^ aren't those examples of little great'un beat good big'un...? Toney n Hopkins being GREAT...while Tarver n Jirov being just good...
     
  6. Panchyprsss

    Panchyprsss Clogg's LORD PROTECTOR

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2004
    Messages:
    31,540
    Likes Received:
    862
    Gender:
    Male
    Pacquiao vs Barrera
    Pacquiao vs DeLa Hoya
    Mosley vs DeLa Hoya
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2017
  7. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    28,215
    Likes Received:
    1,661
    srl vs lalonde?
     
  8. Panchyprsss

    Panchyprsss Clogg's LORD PROTECTOR

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2004
    Messages:
    31,540
    Likes Received:
    862
    Gender:
    Male
    Was Lalonde good? did anyone doubted the outcome prefight?
     
  9. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    28,215
    Likes Received:
    1,661
    :lol:

    yeah. plus srl, not lalonde won. just messing with sly.
     
  10. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Are you channeling your inner xplosive? lol

    Mosley De La Hoya is a good one. Duran Leonard. Ward Kovalev.
     
  11. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    53,801
    Likes Received:
    12,121
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Duran-Leonard is probably the best example. Only in that case, you have two guys who are WAAAAYYYY beyond just "good". Both top 5 all time greats.
     
  12. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    68,274
    Likes Received:
    5,507
    Occupation:
    Involved in hyperbole
    Location:
    Interzone
    I don't think dlh mosley counts- minimal size difference if any
     
  13. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    68,274
    Likes Received:
    5,507
    Occupation:
    Involved in hyperbole
    Location:
    Interzone
    Pac-cotto
     
  14. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    68,274
    Likes Received:
    5,507
    Occupation:
    Involved in hyperbole
    Location:
    Interzone
    armstrong-ross
    mayweather-dlh
     
  15. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    53,801
    Likes Received:
    12,121
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    That was a case of two different levels though. Pac's an all time great.

    Cotto's not even a "great" IMO. I've always considered him merely "very good".
     
  16. Panchyprsss

    Panchyprsss Clogg's LORD PROTECTOR

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2004
    Messages:
    31,540
    Likes Received:
    862
    Gender:
    Male
    GTFOH! Mosley jumped TWO DIVISIONS to fight DeLa Hoya. Floyd against DeLa Hoya (which you named) just went up ONE division.
     
  17. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    24,845
    Likes Received:
    3,412
    Location:
    West London
    Mosley was a massive lightweight.
     
  18. Dog Jones

    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    May 3, 2010
    Messages:
    13,759
    Likes Received:
    1,157
    Michael Spinks vs. Larry Holmes
     
  19. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    68,274
    Likes Received:
    5,507
    Occupation:
    Involved in hyperbole
    Location:
    Interzone
    Oscar had fought at 130 previously - so fuck? Mosley couldnt make lightweight, moved to the weight he was comfortable at, exactly as Oscar had a couple years prior, and had had 2 fights to acclimatise before facing Oscar. I bet mosley weighed more in the ring!

    as opposed to floyd-Oscar where Oscar had 15lb on floyd
     
  20. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,484
    Likes Received:
    1,911

    Cotto is definitively a great fighter. But, as you said, PAcman is clearly a whole level abovre great
     
  21. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    53,801
    Likes Received:
    12,121
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Miguel Cotto was never a great fighter. Not at all. We've had this discussion on this forum many times before. Cotto was too flawed and vulnerable to be considered a great fighter. There's too many fighters in history who I'd pick to kick Cotto's ass for me to consider him a great, and A LOT of them aren't HOFmers.

    Cotto will make the HOF of course, but there's a shitload of better fighters than him who never reached his level of fame.
     
  22. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    I agree with hut hut on the Mosley Dela Hoya discussion on second thoughts
     
  23. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
  24. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    24,845
    Likes Received:
    3,412
    Location:
    West London
    Cotto's one of those guys who's surpassed what I thought he'd do. I can't call him great but he was obviously very good. Just a step and a bit below the best though.
     
  25. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,484
    Likes Received:
    1,911

    Depends on what your definition of great is. I see some persons calling Tzsyu a great fighter, and Cotto is clearly greater than him. If a guy like Trinidad is great, Cotto is probably great also, cause he has a pretty similar career (even if Tito probably kick his ass in a h2h matchup). Of course he falls short of the truly best,like Pacquiao and PBF, but these guys are ATG, not merely great.
     
  26. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    24,845
    Likes Received:
    3,412
    Location:
    West London
    I've never considered Tszyu or Tito great to be honest
     
  27. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    28,215
    Likes Received:
    1,661
    oh no. another semantic debate breaks out at fightbeat!
     
  28. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    102,241
    Likes Received:
    7,320
    Location:
    In The Trenches With My Boy Sepp
    Home Page:
    Quarry vs Lyle.
     

Share This Page