Gimme your updated Top 10 P4P lists!!!

in the wake of some of the recent fights.

 

1. Winner of Rigo/Loma
2. Ward
3. Crawford
4. Spence
5. M.Garcia
6. Golov
7. Inoue
8. Joshua
9. Usyk
10. Kov

 

Imo Spence is too unproven to be quite that high, and also the loser of Loma vs Rigo should probably stay in. But a very solid list

 

Joshua at 8th is rather absurd imo. He has one win over a top 10 guy. He needs to do a lot more before being that high.

 

You can't really say Spence is unproven anymore. He just beat the man most considered the best welterweight in the world. Not only beat him, but beat him DOWN. Brook is a better win than any on Crawford's resume. I stick with my Spence pick, and if he KO's Thurman in 2018, he'll rise on my list.

 

I see no argument for Kov being higher than Canelo. Other than that good list.

 

Kov has only lost to one man, and arguably only lost to that man once. Other than that, he dominated 175 for three years.

The fuck has Canelo done besides get break after break?

 

Ward should be nowhere near #2. If anything the rematch just proves Kovalev was incredibly overrated, and mentally weak.

Ward can fight, but he simply isn't one of the best fighters in the world.

Kovalev shouldn't be in the top 10 at all.

 

hard to say who's number one now. Loma resume is a bit thin, and while Ward should be the top guy on paper, his last 2 wins over Kovy reeked so much of corruption that I have a trouble putting him there.

 

Ward should be number 1 based on resume. Based on quality, can we really say that current Ward is CURRENTLY a better fighter than Loma or Crawford?

 

Crawford only beat B level guys so far (Gamboa was simply a midget). We have to wait to see if he can handle the top guys like Ward does

 

I disagree. IMO Ward is one of those Hopkins types who doesn't LOOK all that good, but the way he makes all his opponents look is the thing you eventually have to believe

 

I just don't see P4P lists as resumé based. Of course you need SOME resumé just to have proven your ability, but beyond that for me it's strictly who beats who. And the truth is I'd pick everyone on that list over Ward apart from Kovalev, and maybe Usyk and Joshua.

 

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

For the record, I think prime Ward was a better fighter than Crawford. Not sure if it's still the case.

 

Ward would beat GGG easy

 

I know what you're saying, Ward is a guy that's better than he looks, I realise that, and he gets results. But Hopkins is a guy that looked fucking good in his prime, and dominated very good fighters. Fuck, even ancient Hopkins I was in awe of his craft and skill.

Ward is just a fucking dirty fighter, who uses excessive grabbing, low blows, and roughhouse tactics to win fights. Yeah he wins, but I'll never believe he's anything close to the best fighter in the world. And I thought he lost the first Kovalev fight clear as day.

 

Kov got stopped in his last fight...and from a guy moving up in weight. That disqualifies him from the list IMO.

 

I agree, and the truth is he looked horrible. Who knows why, camp problems, became lazy/less hungry as some have said, mental problems - but the guy didn't look like he belonged anywhere near a P4P list.

 

I think unproven guys should be considered undetermined and therefore not rated.

 

Agreed, but Spence for example, is now proven enough to be there.

 

Yeah. I'm just saying you cannot discount resume all together.

 

Fine. He's replaced.... with Thurman.

 

Go and watch the fight again.
Brook-Spence was 50-50 after 5-6 rounds...

 

I don't need to re-watch the fight, I've viewed it nearly ten times now, and you're right. It was even after 6 rounds.... then Spence took over and never looked back.

What are you saying exactly? That Spence isn't P4P material because he lost 3 rounds to a top fighter in Brook in a fight that he won by convincing TKO?

 

No, you said it was a beat-down, which implies Spences dominated and landed at-will throughout.
He didn´t. And generally he looked ´ok´ but definately nothing stellar.
Don´t over-estimate Spence....

Everyone on here, as per usual, had Spence destroying Brook frpm the get-go....and because he didnt and it ruined all your little boxing hardcore fans preditcions, you come up with allsorts of excuses to save face.
(ditto the Mayweather x McGregor fight)

Typical of Fightbeat, though....its not your fault....

 

Spence-Brook went down almost as exactly as I expected. Only difference is, I didn't give Brook's chin enough credit... I thought he'd get stopped a few rounds sooner.

But other than that, it played out JUST like I thought - with Brook having early success, and being in the fight for awhile, but then Spence taking over and beating him up. And that's exactly what happened.

 

Ward is better than Hopkins ever was. Kovalev arguably beat him in the first match and was arguably ahead of him after 7 in the rematch and arguably got stopped with an illegal punch.

P4P is about who would beat whom if fighters were the same size. Actually, it's about who is the better fighter, but usually that means the same thing. It's not a resume comparison.

 

Still HATING, REED Sees...

Like it or Not, Admit it or Not, Canelo Alvarez is 1 of the 10 Best Fighters in the World, X...Not a Bad List @ All, but Canelo's Absence is a GLARING Omission...






REED

 

I wouldn't complain much if someone had him in their lower top 10... very lower.

 

I agree. But a credible argument for who beats who requires some reference to past performances (ie resume). If you want to claim a guy who is 5-0 with 5ko over tomato cans is P4P, you are free to do so. But until that guy beats some decent competition, your claim will not be taken seriously.