Rocky Marciano v Evander Holyfield

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  1. Rich ´Money´ Mustard

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    At 190lb

    Probably the greatest heavyweight (44-0) fighting at roughly this weight vs. the greatest at cruiserweight-limit (18-0)
     
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    Honestly, if you look at video of both without knowing who they are, it's obvious that Evander is in a different league altogether. he wins this without much problems.
     
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    Marciano for me. He would exploit one of Evander's weaknesses... lack of great stamina. Holy would build up a sizable lead with his quickness and combos, but Marciano's power WOULD take a toll on him, and he'd be faded late while Rocky would be coming on strong. Marciano lands the bigger firepower down the stretch, and badly hurts Holy several times.

    Rocky by UD.
     
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    holyfield from the 84 olympics KOs him
     
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    This is one of my favourite mythical Matchups in the sense that if I could actually set up any Mythical fight ( with a time machine or magic) this one would be high on my list.

    I think Holyfield finishes what Walcott started and wins a close unanimous decision
     
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    Surprised its never been discused before.
    Holyfield is able to take Marciano´s power at 190lb? :dunno:
     
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    Holyfield's chin wasn't ROCK SOLID, although sturdy, but his will was indomitable. Marciano wasn't stopping The Real Deal.
     
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    Marciano is kinda underrated on this forum.

    He'd get destroyed by big, high-firepower heavyweights like Lewis, Tyson, Foreman, ect... But he'd be hard to beat for anyone fighting him at 190.

    Even if you pick Holy, to think it's some kinda slaughter in Holy's favor is ridiculous.
     
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    I pick Holy by TKO. Marciano's face is cut to shreds
     
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    I agree that Marciano is underrated. However this is Evander that we're talking about. Evander was a baaaaaaad man.
     
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    Marciano wasn't a bleeder, really
     
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    nothing laughable aout it. Marciano simply wasn't very good, and it's obvious when you look at the vids.
     
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    What's obvious about looking at his vids is that he often looked clumsy, and sometimes lumbering and slow. HOWEVER, he compensated for it by having endless stamina, freakish physical strength, and truly some of the most unbelievable power in history.

    And he wasn't nearly as easy to hit as some believe. He wasn't a dumb fighter either. You don't have to fight like Floyd to have a high ring IQ. Marciano was a good thinker in the ring, and understood how to break guys down.
     
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    That's based on him koing a few undersized and/or brittled old men. Which shows that contrarly to what you say, Marciano is very overrated. honestly, if a guys who fought like this would presently be HW champ, everyone would say he's a bum and that the era is a joke. Against a young strong guys like Holyfield, who his stronger and had much better skills, I don't think he has any chance
     
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    Marciano is only overrated by old school Italian guys who think he could walk on water and cure blindless.

    He's generally pretty underrated today because too many call him a scrub, probably because his style was pretty ugly.

    If this is the heavyweight Holy that's weiging 210-215, then Rocky loses.

    But if Holy's 190, I pick Marciano. Holy would win if he boxed disciplined, but that's not Holy. He'd go to war with Marciano eventually, and he'd come out on the wrong end.
     
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    Ezzard Charles marked him up pretty good both times and IMO he is the closest to Holyfield that Marciano fought
     
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    Marciano was certainly no scrub. Power, chin, work rate, stamina. Baaaad young man. IMO, he would have beaten many heavyweights that were much bigger than him. Holyfield is Holyfield though.
     
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    Holyfield out boxes him.
     
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    Of course, it was Bert Sugar that started that shit.
     
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    Holyfield wasn't much of a puncher at 190, he struggled with DMQ at 190 in their first fight if I recall and he was akin to Marciano with the low squatting style.

    I would fancy Holyfield but only barely, if Marciano hurts him early he could interrupt Holyfield for long enough to build a lead.
     
  21. Jesus of montreal

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    he did struggle against Qawi the first time, but beside being squat little guys, MArciano and Qawi had nothing in common.
     
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    Qawi hit Holy A LOT in their first fight. If Rocky lands that much on Holy, it's damn sure not good for him.
     
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    true , but Qawi had move Marciano couldn't even dream of having
     
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    Bert Cooper had Holyfield down and badly shaken. Tyson could do nothing to Holyfield. Holyfield was a WARRIOR!
     
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    I think Holyfield was also somewhat vulnerable to the body. He took them well against Qawi in the first fight, but in other fights at HW, I've seen him doubled over or hurt numerous times. Foreman momentarily doubled Holyfield over to the body with a left hook, Moorer hurt him at the end of a round with a body shot in the first fight, Lewis hurt him in the 5th round of the first fight with a left to the body, Bowe hurt Holyfield repeatedly to the body in all of their fights, finally old Holyfield was stopped by bodyshots by Toney.

    Granted, Marciano was smaller than those HWs and this isn't an old Holyfield we're talking about, but I think it could be key in this fight, and also the reason why I lean towards Frazier over Holyfield.
     
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    Holy at 190 is not as strong as Marciano.
     
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    Lol, based on what? Pushing around a few brittle old men? Guy was stronger than Qawi, who was strong as an ox
     

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