TAKE A TALENT FROM A BOXER AND RERATE HIS PLACE IN BOXING

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  1. lb 4 lb

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    For example:

    Andre Berto - Remove his hand speed and not only does he fall out of the top 10 welter weight but he probably doesn't ever make it on a televised card except as some no name opponent.


    Tito Trinidad - Remove his punching power and I think he still had the talent to make most of his title defenses at welter weight because he was out boxing most of the guys he beat anyway. However I doubt he's as successful at 154 and he likely would have lost to Vargas.
     
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    earnie shavers - take away his punching power, and Karl Mildenberger would beat him 15-0, Tye fields wins 12-0, and Arreola TKO 1.
     
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    Agreed.

    However, I am not sure about the strength of the general argument. Boxing is all about taking one talented aspect and making a career out of it. We could just as easy say "add one talent to a fighter and re-rate his place"

    Anyways, for me, take the sheer mindless bravery of Vito Antuofermo away from him and what do you get? A club-footed, cut-prone, no power bum.
     
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    Take away his chin and he loses to Frazier, Foreman, Shavers, Bonavena, Norton...and basically any decent punching heavyweight in the 70s.
     
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    Whitaker, take away his defense and he loses to nearly anyone.
     
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    floyd mayweather - take away his boxing ability and he is a shit boxer
     
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    Jose Napoles -- take away his defense, his offense, his ability to integrate the two, his genius timing and what do you get? nothin!
     
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    shitty thread. and i see the vanquished punjabi has returned.
     
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    Nonsense.
     
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    Mike Tyson - remove his left hand and he would have eaten plenty of right crosses.

    Weird thread. As someone said, boxing is all about fighting with your strengths. If you take them away, the fighter would change his tactics completely too
     
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    Take away Wlad Klitschko's size ofcourse. You knew it was coming.
     
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    You'd have Eric Crumble
     
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    Ouch :laughing:
     
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    Take away all of Terry Norris' chin and you'll have a Terry Norris
     
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    take away all of Lennox Lewis' skill and melanin and you'd have a Vitali Klitschko
     
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    Take away Ricky Hatton's heart and you have Roberto Duran
     
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    Stick a fork in this topic, it's done. :lol:
     
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    Take away the shop and you have Amir Khan. :crafty:
     
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    .. but Duran has lost weight recently
     
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  23. Irish

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    Take away basketball and football and you have Muhammad Ali all over again.
     
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    Take away Zab's power and he is Pernell Whitaker.
     
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    nah, you would also need to remove Whitaker's brain, courage, chin and heart in order to have Zab... also a considerable downgrade in skills
     
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    Take away Jeff Lacy's left hook and you have someone with a nick name that doesn't make sense. Move over half man half amazing Jeremy Williams!
     
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    Take away Frans Botha's left leg and he probably doesn't even pass a medical to fight
     
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    very astute:partie:
     
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    Take away James DeGale's speed and skill and you'll get God
     
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