CHARLES HATLEY in FNF Co-Main Event!!!

Bunch of bums. reed might as well post a picture of a homeless person in his signature. Same shit.

 

Texas' finest

 

WEIRD Night for Sure...You can Go 10 YEARS w/Out Seeing a Draw, so to Witness 2 Draws in the SAMEfuckingNIGHT was Strange...


REED::

 

It was Justified, Steve-Dave...SLOPPY Performance by Yanez...He LOOKED like a Guy that Hadn't Fought in Nearly a Year...Bypassing Bouts Because the Purse "Wasn't Right" has Obviously Been a POOR Strategy...Young Fighters Need to FIGHT, Period...

The GOOD Thing is, Yanez Didn't LOSE & the Fight WASN'T Televised...



REED:mj:

 

Hatley looked OK, REED.

Every young fighter needs tough fights, and they need to be dropped to see how well they perform in the face of adversity.

Just ignore these couple of assholes who type shit here as they lack the courage to actually be involved hands on in the sport as you are.

 

REED Isn't Sure How the Last Round was Scored...

The Couple Fights that Hatley had @ 160 were Last Minute, "Stay Busy" Bouts vs. Complete Bums...The Plan WAS to Make a Run @ 147, but Hatley Struggled Quite a Bit to Get There for the Augustus Fight...Dude Walks Around @ Nearly 170lbs & has VERY LITTLE Fat on him Even Then....

154 is Where Hatley will B for the Next Little While...



REED:mj:

 

But that's just It, he Took a "Considerable Leap in Competition" & Fought on EVEN TERMS (@ the Absolute WORST)...Moreso, Boxing Fans OFTEN Bitch & Moan about the Guy that Wins Decisively yet Doesn't "Entertain"...Even as an Amateur, Hatley's ALWAYS Been a Crowd Pleaser, Dog...His Fights w/Keith Thurman R Amongst THE BEST Ammy Bouts U'll EVER See...Dudes TRADED Knockdowns & had Genuine Slugfests...Hatley Also had a Memorable Ammy Series w/a Local Cat Named Jose Orozco that People STILL Talk about, 4-5 Years AFTER the Fact...

While it May Not B a "Conscientous Effort", Hatley Is a Fan Friendly, ACTION Fighter @ the Core...That's who he's ALWAYS Been, TWIN...When the Going Gets Tough, Hatley's Going down SWINGING...NUTS, BRAVERY, Whatever U Wanna Call It...So Often that's APPLAUDED in Fighter's, so Why Can't Hatley Get Some of that Same Love???::...

Also, REED Wanted to Note a Couple Things in your BScene Post-Fight Write Up...

REED PERSONALLY Negotiated the Emanuel Augustus Fight (REAL Talk)...Augustus Absolutely DID NOT Take that Fight on 1 Week's Notice...It was MUCH Closer to 4 Week's Notice...If Someone Told U Otherwise, they're Straight up LYING...

& the Chatman Fight was 3 Weeks Notice (Not 2) for BOTH Fighters...REED didn't Negotiate the Chatman Fight but was Privy to the Goings On....Chatman WASN'T an Opponent that Team Hatley Pursued, he was the Guy Team Hatley was TOLD to Fight if they Wanted to B on Television...



REED:kidcool:

 

I agree. The critics just kill me. Seems to show some kind of frustration they may be experiencing in their own lives.

Hatley definitely has some things to work on. However, he has a crowd pleasing style that should always make him fun to watch.

 

Whatever happened to Orozco? I remember him going pro (?) but then nothing..

 

Orozco Retired...

Some Type of Issue Regarding his EYE'S...He would OFTEN Experience Double Vision in Sparring & After an M.D. Laid Out the RISKS to him, Jose Decided to RETIRE...

SAD Story, Cause he's a Good Ass Dude who ALWAYS Fought his Ass Off, Win, Lose or Draw...Though Small, Ft. Worth is Definitely a "Boxing Town" & Orozco was "The Chosen One" to Follow in the Same Footsteps as Donald Curry, Gene Hatcher, Steve Cruz & Paulie Ayala...

His Record is/was 4-0, 3 KO's, if REED's Not Mistaken...



REED:kidcool:

 

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S.T.F.U Karl. Run your mouth again and I will come down to whatever hell hole you live in and kick your old ass. Watch your words very carefully old man I'm not joking.

 

Is that so?

I am addressing a comment towards REED, and you ass tries to hijack a thread?

I'd like to see you try to back that threat up, as it will be game over for you, and I mean game over.

Mind your own business here.

 

Game over ? LMAO

You said ignore these "assholes" so you're referring to me so I'm saying it again watch your mouth .

 

'Preciate that, Brother Karl....

REED is Honestly just Getting a KICK Out of Having Half-Assed Boxing Debate About a Guy he's Watched from SCRATCH...It's VERY Easy to Differentiate CONSTRUCTIVE Criticism from Bullshit...MOST of this Thread's Criticisms/Critiques have Been CONSTRUCTIVE, in REED's Opinion...

No Harm, No Foul...



REED:kidcool:

 

good sport! :bears:


to be honest I haven't had the chance to see any of them fight, yet. But I was told Hatley should/could have won this fight.

With Yanez i was only surprised because he already beat that dude easily a while ago. Kid needs to stay focused even if that bores him.

 

Damn I'm so fucking pissed that my wife did not Tivo the card after I told her ass. Damn I need to see the fight. Anyways Brotha Reed like you said Hately needs to concentrate more on perfecting his craft rather then making it rain. And your boy Yanez just needs to fight. I'll Holla 5000

 

On the leap in competition, I meant that it's a huge jump from the guys he's been facing, which wasn't really meant as a compliment :: ... For Chatman, it was on the level of opponents he's already faced. For Hatley, it was the first test he faced, but fighting on even terms is tough to swallow as praise-worthy for a regarded prospect on the way up.

As far as his being exciting - it's to be applauded, sure. But there's a difference between being fun to watch and looking good. For example, everyone knew they saw a future star in Ximenez when watching him last night. I had the same feeling when I first saw Edwin Rodriguez, for example.

I just don't get that vibe watching Hatley, just like I don't get that vibe watching Keith Thurman (whom I think Hatley would knock out, for what it's worth). That's why I say I'd rather see him step back and work on some things, tather than get caught up in remaining on TV against TV-level opposition.

IMO, the fighter I've seen in the past two fights isn't ready for that level yet and if there's potential there, I'd rather see it be brought along the right way. If he's that good, then it will be worth the wait once he's reintroduced to the viewing public.

 

REED and Jake:

There is a trainer here in Houston named Rudy Silva that runs an amateur club called the Elite Boxing Gym in a small warehouse on the East End that could really make Hatley a terrific fighter.

The man is a full time cop that trains in the evenings, and he can really have Hatley putting them together with snap at the end of them which is what the young man needs work on.

I think he is better than Ronnie Shields, and I am serious, guys.

He trains Marlen Esparza, who is sure to win Olympic Gold in 2012 at flyweight, and his fighters have terrific fundamentals and hand speed.

I'll PM you guys with a piece I did on her right before Christmas time.

Karl

 

These are the best and most important parts of Jake's post and I completely agree. In watching Hatley I didn't get a sense he's a guy of great skill...very loose with his punches and made basic fundamental mistakes. Huge defensive gaps. Like Jake said, he's the kind of kid who needs to be moved slowly to work on his craft...his fights should be building blocks.

Contrast that with Ximenez you knew you were watching a kid with tremendous skill so there's no real risk in moving him a little faster. There were defensive gaps and he was touched a little more than I liked but overall he looked far more skilled than Hatley who had a longer amatuer career and is older. Truthfully, Ximenez looked more experienced and polished than guys with 20+ plus fights.

Depends on what Hatley's management wants to do. Do they want (and feel) they have a future star on their hands or do they want to build him up as an action guy to put on TV. I brought up Charles Brewer as a best case scenario in terms of the type of career Hatley could have, it was't based on his amateur career. Brewer wasn't great by any means but had some exciting TV fights. I think he won a title somewhere in there as well.

Overall, conditioning and from a fundamental standpoint Hatley has a long way to go to prove he belongs in the ring with guys better than the guy he just fought.

Let's be honest here, with as open and sloppy as Chatman was with his amatuer pedigree (meaning Hatley) Chatman shouldn't have seen the final bell. The same goes for Chatman's fight with Andrade. Both guys should have knocked him cold.

Lastly, as far as Yanez goes...I liked the kid alot in the ammy's and thought he could make a good to decent pro. To hear he drew with a guy he's beaten already is a shame. Plus, with his style and penchant to showboating...if he's chief sparring partner with Ximenez, I'm willing to bet Ximenez takes him to school in those sessions. He's the patient and measured kind of kid who gives flashy guys like Yanez fits. Too bad about Yanez...I hope the kid gets his management and career back on track. Five fights in two years is horrible.

 

I actually know a few people who have raved about Rudy. They also mentioned another girl that he trains - Sylvia... something (starts with a V, probably couldn't spell it even if I remembered her name).

Anyway, they share your thoughts on his ability as a trainer.

 

While Clearly JOURNEYMEN, REED Doesn't Think Primera or Augustus were Bad Opponents @ the Time, for Hatley...Augustus was his 14th Fight...Primera was his 11th...

agREED that Hatley Needs to TIGHTEN UP Some Things...Conditioning, Technique & Defense in PARTICULAR...Like ALOT of Fighters, he's Still TRANSITIONING into a "Professional" Fighter...As an Ammy, He Fought Virtually EVERY Weekend, 2-3 Fights PER Weekend...As a Pro, there's ALOT of Time to Kill & a Fighter IDLES...When that Happens, Bad Habits R Sometimes Picked Up...

Hatley's Got the Potential & he's BETTER than he's Shown Himself to B in the Last Couple Fights, but he's Gotta REdedicate Himself to his Craft...When U Half Ass the Sport of Boxing U Get Half Assed Results...



REED:kidcool:

 

From the Horses Mouth, Chatman's NEVER Been Floored in the Pros, Ammy's or even in SPARRING...Dropping him & Visibly Hurting Him NUMEROUS Times Says ALOT about Hatley's Power, In REED's Opinion...Some Guys just DON'T Get KO'ed, Muzse...

& While Looks AIN'T Everything, Chatman's Got that HUGE Head, SQUARED Jaw, HUGE Neck, Traps & Delts that IMPLIES Good Punch Resistance...Chatman LOOKS like a Cat that Can Take a Punch & he's DONE that Thus Faaaaar in his Career...

REED's Been Watching Yanez & Ximenez Spar Since '08....Ximenez was 15 or 16 Then...Yanez is Almost 4 FULL YEARS Older than Ray-Ray (Though Ximenez has Always Been the BIGGER Fighter)...Yanez HONESTLY Gets the BETTER of Things Probably 80-90% of the Time, that REED's Observed....Ximenez Spars w/Yanez BECAUSE of the Pedigree that Yanez has...He Takes it as a LEARNING Experience...The Major Difference btwn them is SPEED...In the CENTER of the Ring, there's Not Much Ray Can Do w/Yanez & That's INCLUDING the Sparring they Did Leading Up to the Recent Ft. Worth FNF Card...

Ray's Had his Moments Though...He's DROPPED Yanez with a Bodyshot (& REED Honestly Can't Recall Yanez EVER Dropping Ray Ray) & When he's Able to Trap Luis on the Ropes, he Controls the Action...Ray's a NATURAL 8-10 Lbs BIGGER than Yanez & he's Still Only 18...He's the STRONGER, Harder Hitting Guy, but if Anybody is "Going to School", it's Ximenez...But to REED, a 22 Year Old SHOULD Get the Better of an 18 Year Old...



REED:kidcool:

 

DALLAS' FINEST

Charles "The Failure" Hatley (14-0-1, 11 KO's)

"The Latin Joke" Luis Yanez (4-0-1)

P.S Update the records in your signature REETARD

 

I'm D/Ling the torrent as we speak, will comment on the fight later.:bears:

Sounds to me like Hatley was matched extremely aggressively which I LOVE and a draw at this early stage of his career in such a match up is no f'n calamity.

But I'll reserve judgement until I watch.

 

Hopefully I get to see these guys at some point. Me and reed have had our e-fights but I sincerely wish nothing but luck and success to these fighters. It would be cool if even a fellow-fightbeater would achieve something:Thumbs:

 

Impressions of Hately

Pros.

Extremely accurate long range puncher
Very alert to openings at range
Seemingly a very hard puncher, though not necessarily a 1-punch KO guy
Gifted on the outside, generally, given time and space

Cons.

Defence.
Very still and high held head. This HELPS him stay alert to counter punching openings offensively at range but has self evident draw backs defensively. Benitez made it work with fantastic reactions and head movement, but Hatley is too reliant on just covering up - he doesn't even have the very fast feet and control of range that good guys with poorly developed head movement usually rely on (Freddie Roach fighters for instance).
Is lost on the inside from what I saw & more than that can't fight backing up effectovely at all. Those deficiencies are obviously related to the above point since, once a guys in range on him he relies too singularly on a high held guard to protect himself, thus reducing his ability to throw back.
Because he knows he isn't effective inside it looks to me like he over compensates by trying to avoid close encounters a bit too desperately, which is counter productive. He doesn't spread his feet to match a guys physicality on those occasions a guy does get close, instead trying to back off further, so ends up getting pushed back off balance & bullied, ending up on the ropes too frequently. A guy like Floyd has allot to teach him with how to deal with those situations more effectively, forearm rams n' all.

Dare I say it, he's has really quite similar strengths and vulnerabilities to Amir Khan, though I'm afraid the weaknesses are even more pronounced and the upsides a bit lesser too.

At range he's a tremendous talent though. Brilliant outside fighter. He's got so much to learn in every other facet of his game I think it behooves him to find himself a trainer who can teach him some new tricks though and give him the really top drawer education his talent warrants. I hope the coach isn't a personal friend or anything REED. :TLC:

 

Just watched the card last night.

Chatman / Hatley was a fun fight.

Nothing wrong with the Charles Brewer comparisons. At least that gives us the prospect of some fun action fights in the future, win or lose.

Chatman was a determined fucker. I thought he was toast after the first, but he came back well and put Hatley back on his toes.

Agreed with everybody on Ximenez. Kid looked solid and very polished for his age even though his opponent was pretty incompetent. I was a bit disappointed he didn't get his guy out of there after he just toyed with him in the first round. Almost like he felt sorry for him and carried him for the rest of the fight after that. Might not bode well for his fighting instinct, unless he was instructed to do so by his corner, just so he could get rounds in.

Mora/Vera - You'd think I'd have paid attention to the Main Event, but I just had it on for background noise. God I hate Mora. ::

I don't even really know how the fight went down outside of listening to Teddy's commentary, but a slight smile did run across my face when I heard Vera got the decision. :crafty:

 

I've been sayin since I first seen Charles fight Jose Orozco at TX state Golden Gloves, Hatley doesnt have the chin to go far. He's been hurt and dropped in almost every fight I've seen him in. His fight on Friday reminded me alot of Mike Dallas's fight a couple weeks ago. GREAT instincts for fighting, great athleticism, but waaaay too much amateur still in him. Furthermore he should be at 147lbs. I think Abie Han is a better prospect.. Han is better than Omar Henry as well..

IMO, Thurman beats Hatley. He absolutely OWNED him at the Olympic Trials from the opening bell. As pros w/o headgear and smaller gloves, it would be even more accentuated.

Rudy Silva trains Marlen Esparza. Marlen is IMO, currently the best amateur fighter in USA. He trained Sylvia Villalpando for a few months when Sylvia and Marlen won 101 & 106 USA National titles in the same year. Sylvia then had trouble maintaining 101, and missed out on the Worlds, and hasnt fought much since.
Rudy has also contributed as co-trainer to Ashley Alvarado (2-0) who is a better pro prospect than both the other girls. Houston is loaded in the female flyweight-bantamweight divisions with Jo Mendez (9-0), Kendy Escamilla (2-0), & Monica Flores (1-0).

 

Now THAT"s Funny, Brother Ringside...REED Sat RIGHT NEXT to Bob Spagnola @ Han's Last Fight in Dallas & there's a 0% Chance that he'll Let Han Anywhere NEAR Hatley...Just Ask him Yourself, Homey...

Han is OLDER than Hatley AND he's Fought NOBODY to Indicate he's a "Better Prospect"...NOBODY!!!...

It's All Love, Dog...& as BADLY as REED Wants to, he Can't Say SHIT about the Questions Regarding Hatley's Chin...But Abraham HAN "a BETTER Prospect"???...C'Mon, Dog....



REED::