I am a fan of 4 point attacks. I don't think they will ever be allowed, but I think it brings a different strategy to the game. I do disagree with Whiskey, I don't think it gets rid of the lay and pray tactic, beings they are generally on top control. It does get rid of the "butt scooting" BJJ guys or guys that try to pull guard at a moments notice when engaged.
Yes I think so. I always thought the goal of MMA (well UFC at least) was to be as close as possible to a "real" fight, without allowing the blatant injurious fouls like eye gouging, groin shots, finger breaking etc. Also, it DOES help eliminate the lay n' pray to some degree, for several reasons: 1. The guy on top has the option to get up and land leg strikes, or at least doesn't have to be overly careful about maintaining tight top ground control knowing he could knee his guy if he attempts a dangerous escape. 2. After a knockdown, the guy on top may choose to stay up and land kicks from above, instead of going directly to the ground and holding on to "grind out" a W. 3. (Most importantly?) Fighters attempting takedowns, with the intent to LNP their way to a decision, can't do so completely without fear of reprisal (as is presently the case), now that their opponent could kick their head after their takedown attempt lands them on their knees prone to a counterstrike.
The goal of MMA is not to be like a real fight anymore, it's to become recognized as an actual sport. I'm all for soccer kicks and knees to downed opponents, but it's never going to happen. Strikeforce is even worse, they don't even allow elbows on the ground.
How would it eliminate Lay n' Pray? Like I said, this is a strategy used by wrestlers generally in the top control position. Gray Maynard for example. Gray Maynard won't stop laying and praying because the guy on the mat being controlled by lay n pray can now use 4 point attacks.
See point #3 How many times do we see a wrestler end up on his knees after a TD attempt, with the opponent wanting (but unable) to kick his head, instead allowing him a 'free' stand-up so that the wrestler can attempt yet another take down. I never said completely eliminate, but help to reduce.
I'll definitely agree on that. I love the Pride rules. I wish they would introduce the yellow card system as well. Fights like Silva/Meia or even Silva/Leitas could have benefited from it. Hell over the weekend with Torres/Buenello(sp) could have.
My brother and I were discussing this and I was on the side of allowing 4 point attacks for many of the reason already mentioned. But like usual, the dickhead made a good point. He said "Imagine Bisping-Henderson and after Bisping is knocked out cold, rather than landing two or three completely brutal punches, what if Henderson landed two or three kicks to Bisping's head" Obviously there are many fights where that example applies like Rampage-Silva III. Disturbing for me to think about.
Yeah, but I can't recall seeing this ever hapenning in pride, since u usually fall backward, you'll have to go around the prone fighter to kick him in the head
I agree, I don't recall seeing it in Pride, neither. Of course, it could happen. But fuck..... this is MMA, you need to protect yourself at ALL TIMES. I thought I had heard they had to get rid of 4 point striking due to Athletic Commissions from various states not sanctioning it unless they do. If you follow back, it was pretty much tossed out around the same time weight classes were introduced in the UFC.
People say boxing is fighting....it's where the term derived. It's not a big deal at all, just a perennial colloquialism for combat sports.
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How is it that much worse than the 000's of brutal punch KO's or standing kick KO's we've seen? I cant think of any stomp finishes that were more devastating than the way that Henderson finished Bisping.
