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RING MAGAZINE Ranked Contenders, @ That...RING Bitched the LOUDEST about Roy's Comp, yet he Fought Guys that THEY Ranked...REED'll B the 1st to Admit that Roy's Resume WASN'T Great, but it's Still UNDERrated, in REED's Opinion...



REED:mj:

 

I was about to say... trying to say that Hagler ducked Michael Nunn is insane, especially considering the career-high payday that awaited him in a matchup that the boxing world had been salivating about for years

 

Ramonza, surprisingly, is not in his late-70's...

 

On the other hand, is it crazy to say that SRL, that always-retired mother-fucker, wasn't ducking: Curry, McCallum, Hagler, Starling, Pryor, Nunn,....?

 

While Clearly OPPORTUNISTIC, REED Falls SHORT of Flat Out Accusing Leonard of DUCKING Anybody...Compared to the # of Bouts he Had, Leonard's Resume is RIDICULOUS...He was Dela BEFORE Dela, in Terms of Resume...



REED:mj:

 

except leonard managed to win a few of his meaningful fights vs key foes

 

Here's one - through each of the 5 rounds of Robinson-Lamotta II that I counted, Ray threw an average of well over 100 punches. I think it was 110 odd.

I've never heard him described as a volume puncher, but he put modern guys like Calzaghe & even Pac in the shade.

 

He sure gave a PED-infused Mosley a working over in their rematch. Won that fight hands down.

Ditto for Vargas...oh, & Trinidad. Beat Whitaker & Quartey, too. There was also Chavez.

Yep, lost all his big fights, Oscar did.

 

Joe Calzaghe once fit six cocks in his mouth at the same time.

 

I heard 7opcorn:

 

That's an old wives tale.

 

Yeah, the logistics are mind boggling.

 

Sigh. Stafford is Trolling again.

 

Ugh. This again?? Really?? Your hate is showing yet again.

 

This.

 

hey lost to whitaker and quartey on my scorecards, but he's owed credit for facing them.

I hated Oscar but he stopped taking the Mayweather road as he got older.

 

My scorecards too.

 

he beat vargas. and chavez

 

The fact is that there are a lot of very talented fighters that Leonard never faced. He fought Hagler when Marvin was about 35 years old and on the slide. Most great fighters are guilty of not facing all of the threats of their generation. Leonard was no exception regardless of how you want to spin it.

 

You have Oscar losing every fight in his career he didn't win via knockout.

 

:nono:

Not true.

I had Oscar winning at least six rounds before Nacho prematurely stopped it. He had Manny hurt and reeling. Manny wouldn't have lasted another round.

 

Fair enough ::

 

If by "Mayweather road" you mean ducking threats, who exactly did he duck? The only fighter I can think of is Winky Wright, who was a poor risk/reward for any name at 147-160 back then.

 

I think much of that talk began to end around '99.

You could make the case DLH avoided rematches though...even the Mosley rematch, which did happen, came at 154 after the Forrest losses.

 

How about almost the entire weltweight division since he won the title there.

 

Terry Norris lost two straight title fights by disqualification.

 

De La Hoya was fighting Vargas instead of Mosley. You could hardly accuse him of taking the easy road.

 

Uh-huh.

 

Here's the big question, though --- did he lose by a big enough margin to call those fights robberies, in your view?

That's what really matters. For what it's worth, I had De La Hoya edging Whitaker out by the narrowest of margins, & scored his fight with Quartey a draw. I would never argue tooth-&-nail with someone scoring those fights for his rivals, but I don't see De La Hoya having won those as robberies, either --- herego, they stand legitimate in my eyes. Simply me disagreeing by a small margin doesn't mean I will argue a fighter didn't win.

 

De La Hoya used to say he wouldn't fight Vargas, seemed pretty adamant about it...and then changed that after Vargas' chin was cracked by Trinidad...the evidence of which seemed clear in the Rivera and Flores fights.