Donaire v Montiel, Sturm v Hearns. Final thoughts.

From what I saw Sturm gave Hearns a bashing.

 

He's not better than Floyd but Floyd isn't in the running. Any news of him actually boxing, ever? No, so no point talking about him.

He's better than Martinez, no question, and the current version of JMM. And I like Martinez and Marquez a lot.

The Tall Paul victory was impressive, but Montiel is a lot better than Tall Paul.

The 2 most dangerous fighters of Donaire's career, he's made them look like they don't belong in the same ring as him, then brutally KO'd them with one punch.

 

That's quite honestly one of the best punches I've ever seen.

 

BTW, Montiel is one tough, tough little fucker to get up from that. That's as tough as you get.

 

I want to see Donaire-Nishioka. That would be awesome

 

I don't think it was the greatest punch I have ever seen- for one, Donaire seemed much the bigger, rangier fighter, and he caught Montiel leaping in, trying to close the gap. Secondly, Montiel beat the count and was allowed to continue. It was however a well executed shot, a fight-ender for all intents and purposes, and is right up there with some of the better recent left hooks {Wlad-Chambers, Martinez-Williams, Pac-Hatton, Floyd-Hatton}

 

It's seriously up there. I think it might be the best shot I've seen during the period I've been a boxing fan anyway. The way he angled and set that up, foregoing getting hit with the rolled right for the prize of landing it totally blind. It was a perfectly conceived and executed shot. The impact and effects were terrifying.

I think it beats out Mayweather's check hook against Hatton as the strategically pleasing shot at least.

 

hard to disagree.

montiel didn't really make a mistake.
the punch was perfectly timed,
perfectly executed,
damn hard,
and while it may not have landed in the perfect spot,
it pretty much got a perfect result so I guess it did land in the perfect spot.

I've got to go back to Jorge Luis Gonzalez vs Kimmuel Odom to remember the old turtle-moving-limbs-while-helpless-on-its-back result from getting hit.

 

If there is one Pinoy in boxing who is on steroids...it's Donaire, you can't work with Conte...and not be suspect...

 

That would be on hell of a match-up.

 

I didn't even know he worked with Conte, but this is true.

Conte has proven himself to be adept at getting illegal results on purpose.

The fact that he is able to make a living in a supplement business is fucking ridiculous.

 

Baldomir was undisputed but you give Floyd no credit for that.

 

Floyd just fought 9 Months ago.

 

Sometimes how people rank a guy P4P has nothing to do with what they have accomplished. Rather sometimes it is based on how they look in a singular instance against a peer.

The way Donaire looks in the ring with other top guys in the division just makes you think he's one of the best P4P fighters in the world.

Certainly he doesn't have the career accomplishments to match Pac, Floyd, JMM, Hopkins, etc. But if we were magically able to have everyone fight at one weight with their same skill set, power and chin, there aren't too many guys Donaire wouldn't beat in my opinion.

And when I think about a possible Mare-Agbeko winner facing Nonito, I don't see either coming close to beating him based simply on my impression of Donaire versus common opponents.

 

Donaire said that was the hardest left he ever threw.

 

Agreed. Both were great KO's but he has to do more.

 

:atu:

 

So which is it?

 

Yep.

 

P4P or not, what I'd hate to see is anyone's attempt to analyze Donaire's success last night to the point of discrediting it.

Ahead of the fight, many were saying Donaire was the smaller guy. In fact, some picked Montiel citing this as a reason.

And since when does ranginess or a height advantage somehow detract from the merits of a performance? They both weighed in the same afterall. And Montiel's been at bantamweight longer than Donaire.

Montiel was out-classed in a major way.

Don't forget that before Montiel beat him, Hasegawa was popping up on P4P lists.

Montiel hadn't lost in 5 years.

Donaire hasn't had a difficult fight, and wins in impressive fashion.

I was glad to hear Donaire's goal was to become undisputed at 118. I'd love to see him fight Agbeko, Mares and Perez. Those fights would all be awesome. And if Donaire somehow beat all three of those guys? It'd be seriously impressive.

F

 

Beat a top 5 P4P fighter via KO.

 

Montiel was actually the much heavier man in the ring.

 

After getting over the implications of Donaire wiping his butt with Montiel in 2 rounds, this was the next thing to pop into my mind. Regardless of whether or not Donaire is seeking to cheat, or is cheating, or even has more than a few conversations with Conte on a regular basis - the appearance given by having Conte as his head "nutritionist" is dubious at best.

Victor Conte is almost cartoonish in his resume. He is like the comic book villain of athletics. A brilliant chemist and nutritionist who literally sets out to create designer drugs where the sole purpose of tweaking its organic composition is to AVOID detection by the current testing methods. The guy flat out spent a decade of his life striving relentlessly to develop performance enhancing drugs that could not be detected so he could help athletes cheat in exchange for money. This isn't a guy who sells steroids, nor is it a guy who injects athletes. This isn't even the guy who smuggles in fringe experimental drugs from Europe or some such shit. This is a guy who spent virtually all his time in the 2000s working toward the sole agenda of designing test-prove cheat drugs, and then saw to it that a stable of very high profile athletes had access to his product. Everything from Olympic events to baseball history to boxing championships were tainted and corrupted by him without a hint of regret. He talks about it almost as if he is proud of how filthy his work has made organized sports.

Why the fuck is he allowed to formally work with ANYONE in ANY organized sport? All of boxing's athletic commissions and even the pathetic sanctioning bodies should have him on a blacklist forbidding fighters to be granted licenses to fight and refusing to sanction any such title fights if Conte is working with them. All the guy does, all he knows how to do - is to grant athletes unfair advantages by pushing the limits of technology and biological chemistry up to and beyond any established ethical lines. He has done nothing to show any remorse for what he has done, and he has made no indication or statement to anyone that would give me even the slightest reason to think he won't do the same thing again. He is an unnecessary liability to all athletics, plain and simple.

May I ask what led Donaire to choose him, of all people, as his nutritionist? Nothing Conte has ever done (legitimately) has shown him to be a superior nutritionist in any case I have seen or heard about. Other than his cheating, he is a rather nondescript personality in that regard. Plus he is now a convicted criminal, having pled guilty to federal felony charges (if I am not mistaken). So please tell me what leads a guy like Donaire, who can probably get almost anyone he wants to work with him, to seek and out hire THIS PARTICULAR guy above all others? Please.

Just that little smirk on Conte's face as Donaire is hooked up to his breathing contraption was enough to make me roll my eyes in disgust. What kills me most about this is that I really like Donaire. He is naturally gifted, and he just plain doesn't need a guy like this around him. It is a recipe for trouble, and totally unnecessary trouble at that. Again, I have no reason to believe Donaire is cheating at all - but why the fuck is a guy like Conte still hanging around boxers, and why are these high-level boxers still seeking him out? This should be halted immediately and the major athletic commissions in the US should start by blacklisting Conte from working with boxers in any formal capacity for at least a period of years. This is utterly ridiculous.

 

Donaire and Andre Ward are pretty good friends. I imagine Donaire heard good stuff about Conte from Ward. Not saying it's riht but that's probably where he heard of him.