Foreman v Moorer - Dive or Not?

NOT a Dive...Foreman Just Hits THAT Hard...



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Huh???...


REED:dunno:

 

That's what im sayin trpl:bears:

 

Old Foreman didn't have that much power, he couldn't get rid of Axel Schultz, Crawford Grimsley nor Lou Savarese in his following fights. However, the shot against Moorer landed perfectly and as others have said, he landed plenty before that

 

No. Assuming it was one, there's no way for any of us to know why. Motivation can take many forms. I'm going purely by what I see and I see a guy hitting the canvas from a slow, telegraphed arm punch.

Motivation can't be proved either way.

 

Was thinking that myself. Spinks got absolutely molested by Mike that night. Unless Ramone is saying shitting yourself counts as a dive.

 

I agree with Ramonza. Spinks DIVED. In his case it wasn't that it was a pre-fight arrangement. Spinks was so terrified of Tyson that he decided to lay down at the earliest opportunity.

 

Tyson/Spinks was a hell of a lot closer to looking like a dive than Foreman/Moorer.

 

Foreman is just ridiculously stupid sometimes.

When it happened, I did think dive. I changed my mind soon after. Moorer's chin just sucked.

 

Spinks didn't take a dive against Tyson anymore than Frazier did against Foreman.

 

nonsense.

Frazier was trying to win the fight. Kept getting up. Foreman just kept on pounding him.

Spinks, didn't even want to leave his dressing room that night. I watched it live on TV and there was a very revealing shot of spinks' dressing room before Butch Lewis noticed the camera's were on them and had his heavies get rid of the reporters and shut the door.

Spinks came into the ring TERRIFIED. Never seen a previously undefeated fighter that scared before or since.

The punch that "KO'd" spinks wasn't all that. Spinks falls down DRAMATICALLY on his back and then puts on a performance, pretending he's trying to get up and then slumping through the ropes. I, for one, was not fooled. Glad I'm not the only one.

Good job Ramonza! :bears:

 

I think you guys are really screwed up. Spinks ducked into a very compact right hand that crunched him on the top/side of the forehead and he went flinging back. His head bounced off the canvas; his eyes were rolled back; and he fell through the ropes after getting up to a knee.

It was a big shot and Spinks was done. I have never understood why that was so difficult to believe.

 

Performance. Drama. Acting.

Spinks was looking to lay down from the get go...

 

I don't disagree that Spinks was terrified from the minute he left his dressing room. Actually the way he and Butch Lewis avoided the unification series, I would say Spinks was scared of Tyson for a long time. But there is a huge leap from being terrified and faking being knocked out.

Plus I don't know how many guys are going to fake a knock out by falling back and letting their head bang off the canvas without even slightly trying to break the fall.

Maybe Spinks cross-trained as a stuntman and had mastered that technique. I don't know but it seems a stretch.

Tyson hits hard. Spinks was soft and a shell of his former championship self. It isn't hard to fathom at all.

 

It's not like Spinks fell back the way Jones fell back in the Johnson fight...or Rahman fell back in the 2nd Lewis fight. Spinks fell back via his ARSE (Ass). In other words...brief sit down before the final laying on the back. The ARSE broke the fall.

Sure..the eventual head on canvas would have still scrambled his senses a little, but look at his expression as he was "trying" to get up. PURE acting.

 

Moorer said Foreman hurt him badly with a few punches earlier in the round and just before this. He said he was pretty much out on his feet before these punches landed.

 

I can't believe that anyone could seriously consider that a dive.

 

Yes, I understand what you're saying. What I'm suggesting is it would be worth your while to consider this from another angle --- does it make financial sense to Moorer? That has to be a factor in taking an arranged dive, no?

 

That is just how I've always seen it. What stays with me is that look on Spinks' face as he lays there, looking at the ref, after knockdown #2. It's absolute, unadulterated terror. I don't buy for a minute he was out.

 

I think Spinks was scared, but was genuinely hurt. The back of his head hit the canvas pretty hard and his eyes were all glazed.

 

Just PRIOR to the Bodyshot Knockdown, Spinks was Drilled w/a BRUTAL Uppercut...THEN, Upon Rising, Tyson Floored him for GOOD w/a COUNTER Hookercut...The Kill Shot even LIFTED Spinks from the Canvas a Bit & his Eye's were BADLY GLAZED...

No Way in Hell did Spinks Take a Dive...Yes, he was Terrified, but he Still TRIED to Fight...



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agREED...


REED:dancingBaby:

 

Moorer actually put a good beating on George before getting careless. If someone is taking a dive they don't hit their opponent with everything but the kinchen sink first.

 

Spinks was terrified, but the K.O was legit.

 

this. neither of the fights being discussed were dives.

now, tyson-seldon or tyson-etienne.. those could be considered dives.