Alvarez is minus 2.2 pounds overweight for WBC Jr. middleweight championship

Kirkland is overrated as hell.... but at this point he batters Canelo.

Angulo knocks him cold.

And he aint being competitive with Cotto until 1. He improves considerably and 2. Miggy has 2 feet in the grave.

The ginger wont have a very long prime unless he tightens his D by ALOT.

 

I've always considered Angulo to be pretty scrubby, but remembering Angulo's most recent few fights etc, Alvarez is basically a poor man's Angulo.

Thinking about it, I'm 99% sure Angulo would beat the shit out of Alvarez, as would Kirkland.

 

the good thing for alvarez is that he has the right people behind him and he'll be allowed to grow and improve at a slow pace while still pocketing millions. unless of course golden boy drops the ball as they have with other prospects.

 

In that respect he really is one lucky motherfucker, because at world level he's simply not very good.

What other prospects has De La Lovesongs dropped the ball on recently?

 

jacobs? escobedo? Linares? ortiz?

 

I was sort of aware of Escobedo and Linares.

What happened with Jacobs and Ortiz?

Were they that quick to dismiss Jacobs after he got crushed by Pirog?

 

Jacobs would be the pre-eminent example.

"Russians Cannot Fight" philosophy is so 1990's.

Oscar screwed up badly there.

As for Canelo Alvarez- it should be noted that the guy is 20, has had NO amateur career and as such is basically at what is, by those standards, a developmental stage.

How many fights did JC Chavez and Barrera have before they were deemed the real thing?

Personally, I don't think Oscar could promote athletes foot in Sumatra, but if this guy is left alone long enough to develop, he could still be something special.

But as I said before, this 150lb nonsense has to end.

 

they fact that they threw those two guys into fights they werent ready for and got them knocked off shows they dropped the ball.

 

Oh shit, I see what you mean. By dropped the ball you meant fucked up.

By dropped the ball I thought you meant kind of dismissed them.

To be fair to them, Linares SHOULD have been ready for someone like Salgado. He's obviously just not as good as people thought.

As for Jacobs, he wasn't ready for Pirog, and Pirog is clearly much better than people thought. He's pretty legit.

 

Glad you enjoyed it.

 

The fight was crap, probably on par with most MMA fights recently.

The Zab fight was a much better watch, ironically.

 

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Alvarez's power is overrated.

 

Canelo is underrated by most here. Angulo is tough but nothing special. Kirkland is decent but has been out of the ring for a long time. To say that both these guys beat Canelo easily is ignorant. Canelo would beat the shit out of both these guys.

 

to even ponder these matchups is ridiculous. alvarez wouldnt face either anytime soon. kirkland sure wont be rusty by then and angulo might even have a new visa.

 

Hatton proved a heap of people wrong, including myself. I thought he was going to get taken out at some point in the fight but fair play to Hatton, he showed guts and heart and gave it back when needed.

 

Maybee so. I didn't bring the fights up, just commented on how they would go.

Alverez is the new Froch on here very under rated.

 

Yeah, I hate it when promoters match their fighters up against guys who can beat them.

Fuck Oscar!

 

I wana see alvarez lose to cotto

 

If they fight anytime soon he will and it will be via KNOCKOUT.

 

I think Alvarez only looked porous in this fight against Hatton because he was completely underwhelmed by his opposition. If he were to fight a guy like Cotto then I would expect that he'd be moving his head and playing a bit more defense. I would love to see that fight and I think Alvarez could pull it off.

 

If he ever steps up in competition, you'll see how very, very wrong you are.

I don't even seem him being particularly competitive against either of them. They'd both beat the shit out of him, as would Cotto.

 

When did Angulo or Kirkland become great fighters.

 

When did I call them great fighters? What a weird thing to say.

Neither of them are anything special.

But Alvarez basically sucks. You don't need to be a great fighter to beat ALvarez, or even close to it.

If he signs to fight either of them, do you want to bet on it? I'll give you a straight bet for either of them.

 

This fight really got me angry. Was Hatton and his corner trying to win the fight? If so I really want to know what their legitimate gameplan was.

Alvarez was faster, stronger, bigger, more skilled, had more punching power and relative to both fighter's punching power Alvarez probably had the better punch resistance as well. Don't remember the tale of the tape but seemed as if Alvarez had a reach advantage as well.

So how the hell was Hatton going to win the fight by boxing and keeping it at a distance and working the jab, etc?

There's only two ways he could win that fight - 1. Make it rough, get inside, use your head/elbows/shoulders, work the body and make him tired and smother him. 2. Throw 120+ punches per round and overwhelm with punching volume. He still might lose if he does either one of the above.... but there was no fucking chance if him winning the fight doing what he was.

I think the corner should be ashamed for this... if they are just hoping to pocket the money and give M/Hatton the morale victory of goign the distance then fine. But the corner had him going out there and getting throttled with no legitimate game plan to win the fight.

 

I don't know why, but this reminds me of a sequence during the FNF main event. Despaigne returns to his corner, where Buddy McGirt says to his in-corner translator, "Tell him to stop getting hit with punches."

I never got the sense that Hatton was there to do anything more than absorb punishment and hope to go 12 rounds. I read post-fight reports from all of these media shills, and honestly wonder if two separate fights took place.

 

Does anybody else think that Ortiz getting matched with Berto is G's way of setting up Ortiz-Canelo?

I think G knows that Berto will hammer Ortiz, and afterwards they'll feed whats left of Ortiz to Canelo at another catch weight.

 

If they are not great fighters than Alverez has a shot at beating them?

Alverez's offensive skill is seriously under rated.

 

No, he has almost no shot, because even though they are not great, they are significantly better than Alvarez.

If you rate Alvarez that highly, how about accepting a bet if he fights either Kirkland or Angulo?

 

If not for the Top Rank/G beef, I'd like to see the Ginger fight Mike Jones.