Kermit Cintron vs Saul Alvarez @154!

Discussion in 'General Boxing Discussion' started by Hex-One, Mar 7, 2011.

?

Who wins?

  1. Cintron by KO

    22.2%
  2. Cintron by DEC

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Alvarez by KO

    33.3%
  4. Alvarez by DEC

    44.4%
  1. Damien

    Damien Undisputed Champion

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2006
    Messages:
    2,397
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Virginia
    Disagree with the group that is saying he has average power. You can tell that his shots have a certain thud to them and his legs are very thick for 154lbs; definite power.

    People are also knocking his defense too much. He had ZERO respect for Hatton's power and because of this he didn't even attempt to get out of the way of the incoming shots. This doesn't equate to him not having a defense.

    Personally I think he gives Cintron a beating.
     
  2. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    24,809
    Likes Received:
    6,024
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Motherfucker
    Location:
     
    I agree with this
     
  3. Jake

    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2003
    Messages:
    10,066
    Likes Received:
    2
    Gender:
    Male
    Home Page:
    So reading this thread:

    - Cintron is elite
    - Matthew Hatton is a proven durable fighter
    - Canelo's defense shouldn't be based on what we've seen through 35+ pro fights
    - Canelo has special power
    - Retreads like Joel Julio and Cory Spinks are proper next steps for a fighter parading as a champion

    Did I miss anything?
     
  4. mexican wedding shirt

    mexican wedding shirt The Greatest of Are Times

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2003
    Messages:
    28,647
    Likes Received:
    283
    :lol: :bears:
     
  5. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    30,692
    Likes Received:
    4
    :lol:
     
  6. Hex-One

    Hex-One "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2003
    Messages:
    7,626
    Likes Received:
    2
    Occupation:
    None of your business
    Location:
    Allentown Pa
    :lol:
     
  7. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    56,689
    Likes Received:
    13,754
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    :laughing::laughing::laughing:

    Gotta love these Canelo fan boys.
     
  8. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    72,274
    Likes Received:
    6,189
    Occupation:
    Involved in hyperbole
    Location:
    Interzone
    Canelo has GOOD power in his left hand (not 'special') and pretty much no power in his right hand.
     
  9. Jake

    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2003
    Messages:
    10,066
    Likes Received:
    2
    Gender:
    Male
    Home Page:
    One more reason to believe he's Oscar's love child
     
  10. Dog Jones

    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    May 3, 2010
    Messages:
    15,222
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    :lol: :bears:
     
  11. His_Royness

    His_Royness "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2006
    Messages:
    6,760
    Likes Received:
    15

    Well beside at least the same number of posters in this thread disagreeing strongly with every aspect you picked out here, no.

    Good job, covering all corners... :bears:
     
  12. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    72,274
    Likes Received:
    6,189
    Occupation:
    Involved in hyperbole
    Location:
    Interzone
    Oscar shagged some Irish bird at an amateur tournament in 1990 and they eloped to Mexico. All the pieces fit.
     
  13. Jake

    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2003
    Messages:
    10,066
    Likes Received:
    2
    Gender:
    Male
    Home Page:
    good job detecting sarcasm. :bears:
     
  14. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2006
    Messages:
    39,239
    Likes Received:
    4,374
    Occupation:
    The Cal Ripken of Alcoholism
    this could explain many things. much like the theories involving jordan and kwame brown.
     
  15. His_Royness

    His_Royness "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2006
    Messages:
    6,760
    Likes Received:
    15


    umm... So by only picking the good things sarcastically you wanted to do what exactly?
     
  16. Jake

    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2003
    Messages:
    10,066
    Likes Received:
    2
    Gender:
    Male
    Home Page:
    Everyone else got it. Not sure what to tell ya, homie.
     
  17. Outlander

    Outlander Leap-Amateur

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2004
    Messages:
    444
    Likes Received:
    0
    Saul Alvarez is going to find himself in deep the first time he fights someone with a good jab and at least average power. I don't know that Saul ever met a jab he didn't eat. I like Alvarez in that he is exciting to watch, he is young, cocky, and has decent punching power - but he is not long for this sport with his current style.

    Some of the HBO commentators made sort of oblique comparisons between George Foreman and Saul Alvarez (in terms of their punching style), and in some ways those comparisons were accurate. No, Alvarez does not hit like Foreman did, but his style is sort of a forward-plodding, no head movement, heavy-handed march through his opponent. Unfortunately, if your "heavy hands" cannot take out Matthew Hatton, you have a problem on your hands. Your heavy hands, that is.

    Without one punch death power, Alvarez will not be capable of enduring even a fighter EXACTLY like Matthew Hatton but with just a little more punching power. I cannot believe how many times Hatton connected clean. Alvarez also cannot fight going backwards, and has the bad habit of covering up when he does take a step backwards, allowing his opponent (even Hatton) to unleash 3-4 free punches. Alvarez also clearly slows down in the the last 3-4 rounds, although that is not uncommon and I don't consider it a major impediment.

    I think Cintron probably beats Alvarez right now at 154, but I would not be supremely confident about it given Cintron's erratic past. Maybe 60/40 Cintron. Barring any ring flights, this would be a great fight to watch.
     
  18. mexican wedding shirt

    mexican wedding shirt The Greatest of Are Times

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2003
    Messages:
    28,647
    Likes Received:
    283
    I completely agree with the bolded bit. And let's face it, without his huge, effortless punching power, Foreman would have been nothing really.
     

Share This Page