Who is the most overrated today?

Well that wasn't a punch now was it?

 

I don;t know if you remember or not but you IM'ed me about that fight. I told you he could lose because he had a very poor camp because of the injuries. I don't care about Shogun 1 way or another but the excuses for the Griffin fight were legit. I hope Jones kicks his ass though.

 

Doesnt matter. It was a strike and Aoki is very vulnerable to strikers.

 

Well, as someone who has had ACL reconstruction on both knees, I've really paid attention to how quickly or slowly pro athletes make it back from this type of surgery. I've also paid very close attention to how the rehab protocols have changed over the years. So just for the sake of humoring you, here are some fairly polarized examples:

1) Carson Palmer----Surgery Jan 10, 2006---Playing again in August.... 7-8 months
2) Donovan McNabb----Surgery in November 2006 and played 1st preseason game in August---less than 9 months
3)Wes Welker----Surgery in Dec and participated in full contact practices in July----less than 7 months
4)Tom Brady---Surgery in Oct and played pre season opener exactly 10 months later (And Brady had secondary infection that slowed rehab)
5)Ronnie Brown----Surgery in November and returned to full contact practice in July (and the Pro Bowl that season) 8 months
6)Philip Rivers----Surgery in Feb and played pre season opener less than 7 months later

I could go on and on. It's amazing the progress that's been made. Orthopedic Surgeons now peg the recovery time for NFL player with ACL reconstruction at 6-9 months. Obviously there are guys that take longer and there are guys that hit the field again in 5 months.

And using rehab as an excuse for poor cardio is absolute BULLSHIT. 90% of ACL rehab involves things like swimming, biking and treadmill walking. Personally I don't think my cardio was EVER better than when I was in rehab for knee surgery. I biked like a freaking maniac. I literally put in over 200 miles a week trying to get better.

Having better than a year post surgery is more than enough time to be ready for Mark Freaking Coleman.

I but the excuse for the Griffin fight because I actually think Rua had already ruptured his ACL BEFORE the fight. But it's a poor excuse for his cardio with Coleman.

 

Haha, actually yeah I do remember now. Damn, that was fucking ages ago. Indeed you did say that before the fight.

 

Gung ho? I didn't think much of Lesnar before the Cain fight. He's just a big, athletic wrestler (which admittedly is enough to gain a solid amount of success).

The Cain beating just confirmed my suspicions.

 

Implying there are 5 HWs greater than Lesnar in MMA is a ridiculous sentiment.

Trplsec's sentiment that there are 8, isn't even worth acknowledging.
It'd be as if someone told me 1+1 = 10.

 

We shall see. No one knows what Brock will have after being destroyed by Cain. All I know is the guy took 2 tremendous beat downs in his last 2 fights.

As I clearly said, Brock is not the most overrated fighter in my opinion. But I do think having him in the Top 5 at HW is TOO high. Personally I think Brock is a huge question mark against any HW that can strike. And this means marginal guys like Nelson, Mitrione, Kongo, Pat Berry, etc. I'm not saying he can't beat those guys but I wouldn't be 100% confident picking him.

Let's drop the bullshit charade and be honest. Brock Lesnar reacts worse to punches than almost any MMA fighter I've ever seen in the UFC. That's not some anomaly, he is just gun shy. And that is a trait that will get him exposed more times than not.

If he beats Dos Santos then I will eat a little crow and have to rethink it, but based on what we've seen from Brock, he isn't a top 5 HW.

 

There are a lot of HWs that stand a good chance at beating Brock. His stand up is THAT bad. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

 

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At any rate, all your bullshit aside, you still fail to name 5 HWs who deserve to be ranked higher than him. Oh wait, there aren't 5.

 

It's easy.. I think these guys all deserve to be ranked ahead of Brock:

1) Cain
2) JDS
3) Werdum
4) Silva
5) Overeem

Overeem is a stretch for me but I am starting to change my mind about him. Nevertheless, none of them have been brutally beaten down twice in the last year.

Those are just rankings, there are other guys I would pick to beat Brock beyond these 5.

 

Why does Brock have Cauliflower ear?

 

Overeem, also overrated in addition to being top 5. :notallthere:

Also, Bigfoot Silva. ::

 

Nice response.. So what has Brock done to out rank Bigfoot? He split fights with Mir. Beat an undersized, post 40 Couture, took a hellacious beating from Carwin before simply out lasting him, and finally, was absolutely destroyed by Velasquez.

Again, how about a little substance. Tell us why Brock deserves to be top 5 when he looks so lost against anyone that can punch?

I can't wait..

 

I'm curious how people think a Brock-Nelson bout would go. Nelson isn't Muhammed Ali but the guy has good stand up, is difficult to take down and has great top control. His stamina and heart also can't be underrated.

Personally I think he completely out classes Lesnar and beats him standing.

 

Brock's size wouldn't mean as much against Bigfoot, also, when Brock gets the fight to the mat he has to deal with Silva's black belt in BJJ. Its a very interesting matchup.

 

Well, it's not as much a debate about who wins head to head as it is about who deserves to be ranked higher right now.

Personally I think Bigfoot is one of the guys Lesnar matches up well with. Bigfoot is OK standing but his punches are slow and he isn't a Carwin-like puncher. So essentially Brock could survive the stand up.

The funny thing is that Brock is a hard puncher. He just needs to learn to stay in the pocket and throw. He could hurt alot of guys if he just stayed in position to throw. Running when the leather starts flying is not a great strategy.

 

That's an instinct that won't change, and one of the reasons why he isn't/won't be an elite fighter.

 

Are you seriously handicapped? Velasquez is the undisputed number one HW in the world. Carwin and Mir are top 10 fighters. He destroyed Mir and beat Carwin, even if he did take a "hellacious beating". Only an utter tool would rank fighters lower for coming back and winning a fight. If I mentioned about how Nog was overrated when Fedor beat him because Nog was nearly killed in the ring by the worst MMA fighter to ever step in the ring, Bob Sapp, you and your buddies would be so butthurt you'd need a tampon to stop your ass from bleeding.

Bigfoot looked like shit against Fabricio Werdum, who's completely mediocre, oh and by the way, in his win against Fedor he was rocked and knocked down with the first punch, so he shouldn't even be top 5 using your handicapped logic.

The guy has one notable win in his entire career. One. But I guess the likes of Jim York and Andrei Arshotsky are greater wins than an "undersized(yet lineal HW champion. :dunno:) 40 year old Couture".

Right. Good thinking.

Oh and getting a beating from a top 8 HW in Carwin with a strong wrestling pedigree? What a bum.

It's not like he was nearly KO'd by a sub 30-40 ranked LHW taking a fight on short notice. Nope.

Antonio Silva is a much greater fighter. His resume speaks for itself.

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And how did he get there? He beat a geriatric Nog and a grossly overrated Brock who starts running and drops to the fetal position as soon as he sees punches coming. Lets not bolster Lesnars resume here by overrating his opponents.

 

Cain Velasquez overrated.

Please destroy your keyboard.

 

Just calling like it is. The only reason that you claim he is the "undisputed #1 heavyweight" is because he beat Brock. WHo was overrated in the first place. Great logic.

 

I guess being the champion of the top org in the world makes you overrated. Great logic.

I guess never losing a round in your career and destroying everyone makes you overrated.

I also love FightHindsight.com.


Cain fights Nog, and it's "Oh, Cain has no power, Nog is past prime but Cain will have to take him down and get subbed from guard".

Cain absolutely flattens him and gives him the worst loss of his career. "Nog is beyond shot, meaningless win".

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Lol yeah sure buddy. Keep making stuff up. :notallthere:

 

Oh and last but not least...Mr. X fighter is overrated himself.

I was one of two people to actually pick Cain to win, the other jarhead.

I am such a liar and a fabricator. :atu:

 

And?? Most people there claimed that Nog has been having issues. Most except for Z, who doesnt know much anyways.

 

Yeah you are not saving face here. You don't know shit about Fightbeat.

 

Are you trying to say that Nog isn't shot?