Bradley vs Khan is on

He's already beaten a Mitchell level fighter in Alexander. Neither one of them are great at world level, much of a muchness.

That leaves him to fight a Hatton, Judah, and Phillips.

Khan would certainly count as the Judah, Maidana would count as the Phillips, so that just leaves a Hatton (the best fighter of Tszyu's career, who he lost to).

Judah better than Bradley? :: No. I've always had a soft spot for Judah for some reason, but Bradley would beat ANY version of Judah, no doubt about it. I would give Hatton an edge against Bradley, in his prime.

If Rios improves and looks solid at 140, he could be the Hatton.

And we'll see, I bet Bradley goes 3 and 1 against those fighters, possibly even 4 and 0.

 

Sharmba Mitchell is better than Khan. ::

On Floyd's resume, he's just another shit fighter that Floyd padded on.

On Tsyzu, he's a world beater better than any 140lb fighter on the planet today.

:laughing:

 

Mitchell fought Floyd at 147 when he, Mitchell, was very much past it.

Tszyu by way of a contrast, fought him, Mitchell, when he, Tszyu was coming off a very long lay-off, and destroyed him.

That fight took place at 140, in 2004, and their first meeting took place in 2001.

Floyd fought Mitchell in 2005, at 147.


Kostya's first defeat of Mitchell precedes Floyds by 4 years, was a Unification fight, and was at 140.

Soon after Mitchell lost to Floyd, he retired, after a beating from Paul Williams. Nobody would argue that Tall Pauls resume benefits from Mitchells presence, they should do likewise for Floyds.

 

i don't know what all this means but I can safely say this much...

When Mitchell was losing to Kostya in 2001 Floyd was still at 130 but it's not unrealistic to think any version of Floyd beats any version of Mitchell. perhaps not by stoppage, but he'd beat Sharmba.

 

What TLC was purporting to demonstrate was the perversity of the notion that Mitchell is a good win on Tszyu's record, but a poor one on Floyds.

My response was that the Mitchell that Tszyu fought, and at the weight he fought him, is a very very good win, far superior to the jaded and non-147 accomplished version that Floyd fought.

I think, for what it is worth, that MAG and Hurtado might just be better names than Mitchell. For openers, Hurtados big showing vs Pea Whittaker is worth something, as is MAG's fights with Oscar, Chavez.

 

It was Floyd's first fight at the weight as well. BS excuse.

 

Floyd is a bigger man, more accustomed to that sort of weight anyways. The point stands that Mitchell, by 2005 was at any weight wasted, never mind 147. In 2001, at 140, he was a good scalp. In 2005, at 147, he was not.

 

Khan wins by a wide decision 117-111

 

He thinks Brandon Rios would have beaten Tszyu... why are you bothering to argue?

 

BECAUSE!! SOMEBODY IS WRONG!!! ON, OF ALL THE FUCKING PLACES.........THE INTERNET!!!!!

 

Picking Tszyu against the likes of Rios would be downright foolish.

If Rios was chinny like Zab or Mitchell you'd have a point. As it stands, Tszyu doesn't have the heart to beat someone like Rios, just as he didn't have the heart to beat Hatton, and quit.

Rios is too much man for him, just as Chico was too much man for the likes of Fruity, and just like Bradley would be too much man for the likes of Judah.

If you doubt my ability to pick fights, join in the prediction championships 2011, and let's see who does better.

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38659

 

Rios has, of course, won several titles at 140.

 

Had Cool Vince won any titles at 140 before he made Tszyu his bitch? Oh no he didn't, actually in his only previous shot at a title, he got slapped around in one sided fashion by Quartey.

Hatton also hadn't won any titles, unless you count the bottom tier WBU.

I know Rios is a lightweight, but he is a fucking big strong lightweight, and has the right style to grind Tszyu down and make him fold.

 

At 147. Phillips failed at the highest level at 147, against a guy who made up 1/3rd of a pretty strong triumvirate.

Hatton went on to Unify, and win a title at 147 also....

...Rios, right now, is a gritty lightweight who ain't learned yet how to lose.

If he fought Tszyu in their respective primes, he wouldn't be long learning.

 

The fact remains, neither guy did won anything at 140 before whupping Tszyu. It's not like Cool Vince even seemed that undersized against Quartey. Ike was just a higher calibre of fighter than Tszyu.

Picking Rios over Tszyu is hardly a stretch, although I realise he is somewhat unproven. I place a lot of emphasis on his gutcheck against Acosta though.

I don't even like Rios, he seems like an utter twat, but the boy can fight. He has a huge amount of determination and energy, and actually started fighting better and more efficiently after getting battered early against Acosta.

The fact that Tszyu CONTINUES to be so overrated is just bizarre. With Trinidad and Hamed I can kind of see why, the huge amount of hype they had, fanatical countrymen etc, but with Tszyu? He's just one of those random fighters that has a rep for being much better than he really is.

His best win is Judah. Judah always loses to top fighters, it's not exactly a great "best win".

 

Mex, you're my boy, but Rios would get busted up pretty badly.

 

Mex, he isn't overrated. You are vastly underrating him.

Much like how no one agreed with me that Moorer took a dive against Foreman, sometimes it's not everyone else, it's just you.

 

I like Bradley via UD.

Those pointing to Khan's height and reach seem to overlook that Bradley lives off fighting taller opponents. This is nothing new to him.

The thing with Bradley is that he doesn't look spectacular. I will agree there. But he makes up for it with his all around game. He's quick handed, is always busy, is really strong for a little guy, and you can't overlook his will. He imposes it on his opponents.

Khan is fast and has a nice jab, but his combinations are sloppy, and his defense is pretty nonexistant. And I don't consider him to be a big puncher either.

I think he gives Bradley some problems but once Bradley figures him out, its gonna be a long night for Khan. Bradley may not punch all that hard, but he punches fast and he never stops working. I see him wearing down Khan and winning the decision.

Braadley via UD.

 

good call!

 

Dear Whomever-It-Was-That-Referred-To-This-Guy-As-An-"Excellent-Poster",


I hope this post finds you well and serves as grounds to remove that title. This nutjob thinks Brandon Rios (who just won a title at 135 and hasn't beaten anyone of true significance) would beat Kostya Tsyzu.

Sincerely,

Muzse

 

I don't agree with Mex that Rios would beat Tszyu, obviously, but he has a point in that anyone saying they're a better poster than him when it comes to reading fights etc should back that shit up in the league or otherwise keep schtum, ya hearrrrd

 

Innit. Back that shit up, hear me nau. :kidcool:

Genius - see the thing is, a lot of you get your panties in a twist for me denegrating the sacred lord Tszyu, but hear me out.

Notice not once have I called him a scrub, a bum, etc etc, or said he's not world class.

He WAS world class, there's no argument there.

But here's my beef. He gets talked about as an ELITE fighter. He wasn't an elite fighter, he never beat an elite fighter, he was just a solid world class fighter/champion, that was basic but pretty effective, and in all honesty - lacked heart.

In both his losses he wilted mentally. I think physically he was sufficiently tough, but not mentally. I guess he was somewhat of a front runner in that regard.

It's why I pick someone like Rios over him. The same reason I was 100% sure Corrales would beat Freitas.

Tszyu was a solid enough world champion, but nothing more than that. We're talking about a guy who's best win is Zab Judah and went 2-2 with the 4 best fighters of his career.

To top it off, he never pursued a rematch with Cool Vince and retired after getting beaten up by Hatton. Showed no inclincation to rematch either of them. Some champion.

Yet for some bizarre fucking reason, people are all over his nuts and he gets forgiven for it. Oh Tszyu oh Tszyu, great fighter great fighter.

 

Same goes for you. Instead of sitting there giving it the big one, compete against me in the Prediction Championships, let's see who's better at picking fights.

 

:atu:


Gotta love internet challenges.

 

acosta had rios reeling. tszyu wouldve punched holes in the kid.

 

Rios wouldnt even beat MAG.

 

Prove your worth by taking on the ultimate challenge...DARE to challenge him in the prediction contest.

:kick:

 

Or just continue to mouth off like a bitch, the choice is yours.

My point is, if you find my fight predicting ability laughable, feel free to compete against me.

I'm pretty good at picking fights since I grew up and started picking with my head instead of heart.

I'll bet I get more picks right than you and Xplosive, so feel free to put your predictions where your ugly, sweaty mouths are.

By the way, Rios would beat MAG up. MAG was very average at world level. Rios is unrefined, but he's fast, strong, vicious and determined.

 

:atu:


You're especially good at picking fights that will never happen. I will give you that much.

Satisfied?

 

He's right though, half the people here who are so sure of their opinions don't have the balls to put their picks up to be scrutinised. It's not about "challenging" anyone, like it's a fight, it's just pointing out it's easy to be cocky and condesending when you're not putting your so-called wisdom against anyone elses