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  1. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    Yet everyone agrees with me, and you're left to argue your point solo.

    It's all good man. 5-1 is pretty lopsided, I didn't think Trplsec would bail in the dying moments like that. I would have been happy with 4-2, but I can't lie, after a few days of wall-talking, 5-1 feels pretty good. :bears:
     
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    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    So what have we learned here?

    Z, jarhead, Trplsec, Bob and steve_dave believe that Japanese Pro Wrestling (or wrestlers) has had influence (however big or small that influence might be, irrelevant) on MMA as we know it today.

    Godfather disagrees.

    5-1.

    Thanks guys,

    - steve_dave
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    steve_dave, Mar 16, 2011
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  3. Anthony

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    Actually when its all said in done, you have reached to Ken Shamrock as your only link to Japanese Pro Wrestling and Modern MMA, and from this, Modern MMA's roots are Pro Wrestling. Brilliant. If you arent embarrassed by this, i dont know what to tell you.
     
    Anthony, Mar 16, 2011
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  4. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    Ahem...

    Thanks guys,

    - steve_dave
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    steve_dave, Mar 16, 2011
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  5. *Z*

    *Z* WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Don't get all mad at me. :cheers:
     
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  6. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    Godfather is a good fellow, he doesn't get mad.
     
    steve_dave, Mar 16, 2011
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  7. Anthony

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    I aint mad Z. I just disagree with you.
     
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  8. Trplsec

    Trplsec Sleeps in a Cage

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    Don't put me in the 5.. Saying the MMA was influenced by former pro wrestlers is a country mile from your statement that modern MMA is all rooted in 80's pro wrestling in Japan.

    But in all honesty, you lost this debate when you quoted incorrect information lifted from freaking Wikipedia. Seriously, that looked stupid dude.
     
    Trplsec, Mar 17, 2011
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  9. Bob N Weave

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    Uhh? What exactly did I agree with you about Stevedave?
     
    Bob N Weave, Mar 17, 2011
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  10. Trplsec

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    Did you really just refer to Maeda as a Pro Wrestler and, oh by the way, also a Judoka? Please. That is even a further stretch than Steve_Dave.

    And I'm certain, yes quite certain, that Maeda was not involved in the 80's Pro Wrestling scene in Japan since he died in 1941..

    Calling Maeda a professional wrestler in the same vane as Pro Wrestling as we know today is the most ridiculous claim I've ever scene.
     
    Trplsec, Mar 17, 2011
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  11. Anthony

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    He think you agreed with me because you and I disagreed on how popular Pride was. Andrew will take anything he can get. I just left it alone.
     
    Anthony, Mar 17, 2011
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  12. steve_dave

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    That Japanese pro wrestling has had more than zero influence on modern MMA.
     
    steve_dave, Mar 17, 2011
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    <iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zJv5qLsLYoo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
    Anthony, Mar 17, 2011
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  14. Trplsec

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    Now it's 'more than zero influence'.

    Oh boy.
     
    Trplsec, Mar 17, 2011
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    You follow the thread? That's been my point since Page 1.
     
    steve_dave, Mar 17, 2011
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    Well, to B Fair, Godfather's Position is that it had "ZERO Influence"....



    REED:hammert:
     
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  17. steve_dave

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    Exactly.
     
    steve_dave, Mar 17, 2011
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    To be fair to me, this started with me not agreeing that Pride Influenced current MMA. This is how it Andrew started this whole thing. It ended with Shamrock as a pro wrestler and he fought in the UFC so MMA has roots in pro wrestling:atu:
     
    Anthony, Mar 17, 2011
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  19. Anthony

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    After the initial debate andrew kept changing his questions and adding more to his claims. This is definitely Hall of Shame Worth
     
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  20. Trplsec

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    Yeah, unfortunately I've followed your spin circus since the first page. Don't be daft, this was your first stance:


    And now it's been chopped all the way down from roots to "more than zero influence".

    :notallthere::notallthere:
     
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  21. steve_dave

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    MMA, as we know it today, has roots in Japanese pro wrestling. That's factual, dear Trplsec. :bears:

    Influence, roots, what's really the difference? It's all the same shit, my man. We cool though. Had to change my words slightly to get some of you to see what I'm talking about.
     
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  22. Trplsec

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    Well, and there's the problem. There isn't anything in the UFC 'ROOTED' in 80's Pro Wrestling in Japan.

    It's not word choice or interpretation. It's just not true.

    You change your words drastically because you're wrong and you've admitted as much.

    This has become the absolute most boring thread on the forum. I am done.
     
    Trplsec, Mar 17, 2011
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  23. steve_dave

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    Maybe this will clear it up for you....

    Pride has roots in Japanese Pro Wrestling. Pride has been influential to MMA as we know it today.


    The same formula works for Ken Shamrock. Cheers, Trplsec. :bears:
     
    steve_dave, Mar 17, 2011
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    It has roots because Shamrock, a pro wrestler, learned Martial Arts and decided to switch professions.
     
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  25. steve_dave

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    His MMA career has clear, undeniable roots in pro wrestling. :bears:
     
    steve_dave, Mar 17, 2011
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    New profession, new roots. But thats okay. But in the end, you base Moddern MMA success on the pro wrestling background of Ken Shamrock. LMAO
     
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  27. *Z*

    *Z* WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Ok, Maeda never practiced Judo nor was it his primary martial art. Also BJJ is not a variation of Judo.

    Read up. http://mitsuyomaeda.com/
     
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    *Z* WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Also, I'm sorry I ever participated in this lame ass thread.

    Carry on.
     
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  29. steve_dave

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    It's a tad frustrating, eh? :lol:
     
    steve_dave, Mar 17, 2011
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  30. Anthony

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    You guys are funny. Now professional wrestling in maeda's day is like Japanese 80s pro wrestling? Its clear from that article that those matches were not scripted and they were doing actually wrestling. Im sure the term pro wrestling didnt have the same meaning it does today.
     
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